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Graceunderpressure
12-14-2021, 11:36 PM
Human Pure Tempest Ranger using Khopeshes.

Switched from LS's for now because I had 2 nice ones collecting dust and wanted to try out.

No matter where I look, only seem to get 1 modifier for Crit range profile?

Is that it now? My last life Pally was 13-20, albeit with LS's, but seems crazy the difference.

magaiti
12-15-2021, 02:18 AM
Khopeshes have the same crit profile as longswords with Knight's Training feat.
If your swords have an expanded crit profile (like Nightforge Blade or Oathblade), they have a better crit profile than Khopeshes.

Every melee class has some way(s) to improve crit profile, usually by increasing crit multiplier by +1 and crit range by +1.
For Pally, Holy Sword spell does both.
For Ranger, they have to invest heavily into their class trees. Tempest Core 4 and Deepwood Stalker Core 4.

droid327
12-15-2021, 04:33 AM
Khops are 19-20/x3 so with imp crit or keen plus class +1/+1 crit bonus, that should be 16-20/x4. Are you taking the +1 range core in DWS?

Longsword is 19-20/x2 so with imp crit, class bonus and KT, that's 16-20/x4, then night forge blade adds another 2 range for 14-20/x4...dunno how you got down to 13 on a paladin

The only diff should be the extra crit on the weapon itself, since there aren't any expanded crit khops

magaiti
12-15-2021, 04:36 AM
...dunno how you got down to 13 on a paladin
Probably pre-U51 Crusader

unbongwah
12-15-2021, 09:19 AM
Is that it now? My last life Pally was 13-20, albeit with LS's, but seems crazy the difference.
Khopeshes and longswords with Knight's Training feat have the same base critical threat range: 19-20/x3 which becomes 16-20/x4 with Improved Critical, Tempest, and DWS bonuses. But there's a few named longswords with wider crit ranges which are better than that: e.g., Nightforge Avenger Blade and Oathblade get +2 crit range, Watcher's Blade gets +1 crit range and +1x crit multiplier. Whereas the drow khopesh (https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Drow_Khopesh_of_the_Weapon_Master) is the only one with +2 crit range.

Graceunderpressure
12-15-2021, 11:11 AM
I was Knights training with Oathblade and Fellblade in main hand at 15-20, but I had these 2 Really nice looking Khopeshes that were collecting dust and figured I had to try out, seeing my end goal of Black Razor main hand/ Fellblade off hand could be Years away lol

The shear base dmg increase, Plus aligned and all other dmg add ons from the 2 Lunar's was deff an increase in DPS over the longswords, even at 17-20 reduced crit range.

Was just wondering how hard to get them to 15-20 or better.

Graceunderpressure
12-15-2021, 11:14 AM
If I get another Fellblade I might switch back to see, but while Fellblade is a Great LS on it's own, giving open slots on Toon for Dbl Str and Arm Pierce ect, wielding 2 of them doesn't make as much sense.

Unlike the Lunars which Stack All stats because Pure DPS.

Last thing I may try is swap out a feat to get KT back and dual wield Lunar in main hand and Fellblade off hand :)