Is it possible to delete/change epic destinies

[Sheltar87]

Hi,

Sorry if this was answered already but i reallly searched this forum and wikis and got so many mixed answered, outdated answers (key of change), answers straight wrong etc....

Is it possible to delete/change one of your epic destinies? I thought their mechanic worked just like enchantments having acess to all of them with points as only limit

so I accepted them from all the guys without putting any thought, and ended up with Exalted Angel and Legendary Dreadnought as Magus of the Eclipse being Eldritch Knight/Pale Master...

Also I heard you're supposed to have active only one epic destiny at a time, and there is switch I'm struggling to find for 2 days.

Please, clarify these things for me, I'm old returning vet from times when The Shroud was considered end game content, so you see I might be little confused coming back now :)

Thanks in advance

[rabidfox]

You talk to all the people to unlock them all and get the free fate points. Then use the drop down arrows for each of the 3 on the ED page to select which ones you want.

[Hobgoblin]

Hi,

Sorry if this was answered already but i reallly searched this forum and wikis and got so many mixed answered, outdated answers (key of change), answers straight wrong etc....

Is it possible to delete/change one of your epic destinies? I thought their mechanic worked just like enchantments having acess to all of them with points as only limit

so I accepted them from all the guys without putting any thought, and ended up with Exalted Angel and Legendary Dreadnought as Magus of the Eclipse being Eldritch Knight/Pale Master...

Also I heard you're supposed to have active only one epic destiny at a time, and there is switch I'm struggling to find for 2 days.

Please, clarify these things for me, I'm old returning vet from times when The Shroud was considered end game content, so you see I might be little confused coming back now :)

Thanks in advance

it is now more like enhancments. you can have up to 3. the others are in the drop down box as long as you havnt put points in that tree. but you are limited to points and level by what you can spend. like my main has 62 points to spend at 30, but iirc i was limited to 18? at 20

[Wahnsinnig]

You can swap between destinies in the same way you swap enhancement trees, click on the arrow to the right of the destiny name.

You can only swap between destinies before you have spent points in them, if you have spent any points in a destiny you have to reset it to swap it out.

[Sheltar87]

So whats the point of having them at all if you cant benefit from their skill at the same time, like echantments?

Also, i put a point in draconic bloodline which gives +1 to all DCs, then i checked in character sheet and spell DC's where unchanged.

What went wrong?

[Weemadarthur]

So whats the point of having them at all if you cant benefit from their skill at the same time, like echantments?

Also, i put a point in draconic bloodline which gives +1 to all DCs, then i checked in character sheet and spell DC's where unchanged.

What went wrong?

If you have the +1 DC core in any other caster destiny then you wont gain the bonus from cores in a different tree. The 3 cores from the same tree will stack but they don't stack with cores from other trees.

In short U51 moved the game further toward the DPS is all that matters style of play. If you want CC take an epic strike that gives DPS + CC, want healing take a strike that gives DPS + healing. In short the game now consists of working out which Mantle + Strike gives the best DPS for your build and then just take enough filler to get the highest upgrade. You can then run any quest by holding down your attack button and pressing the 1 button every time the cooldown clears.

[archest]

Hi,

Sorry if this was answered already but i reallly searched this forum and wikis and got so many mixed answered, outdated answers (key of change), answers straight wrong etc....

Is it possible to delete/change one of your epic destinies? I thought their mechanic worked just like enchantments having acess to all of them with points as only limit

so I accepted them from all the guys without putting any thought, and ended up with Exalted Angel and Legendary Dreadnought as Magus of the Eclipse being Eldritch Knight/Pale Master...

Also I heard you're supposed to have active only one epic destiny at a time, and there is switch I'm struggling to find for 2 days.

Please, clarify these things for me, I'm old returning vet from times when The Shroud was considered end game content, so you see I might be little confused coming back now :)

Thanks in advance

Yes just reset the points like you do in heroic AP in the tree you do not want then select the destiny tree you want to use and fill in the points you removed from the other tree. ( the complaint is its PP expensive to do) but the cost go's down for subsequent resets i guess from the last update. you can have access to any of the three visible destinies with in the window at the same time. there are different types of points some are awarded when you reach level 20 to be used then, others you need to earn as you level. permanent points or starting points are earned by tr past life bla bla bla you will have to continue to research how points are permanently earned and the difference in the types of points. in order to fill the 3 trees with selections. only the highest "core" bonus among the 3 trees is active. they do not stack.

[fmalfeas]

If you have the +1 DC core in any other caster destiny then you wont gain the bonus from cores in a different tree. The 3 cores from the same tree will stack but they don't stack with cores from other trees.

In short U51 moved the game further toward the DPS is all that matters style of play. If you want CC take an epic strike that gives DPS + CC, want healing take a strike that gives DPS + healing. In short the game now consists of working out which Mantle + Strike gives the best DPS for your build and then just take enough filler to get the highest upgrade. You can then run any quest by holding down your attack button and pressing the 1 button every time the cooldown clears.

That one button is Alt. With Toven's Hammer (or Legendary Toven's Hammer).

[adamkatt]

So whats the point of having them at all if you cant benefit from their skill at the same time, like echantments?

Also, i put a point in draconic bloodline which gives +1 to all DCs, then i checked in character sheet and spell DC's where unchanged.

What went wrong?

the point is we now have access to be in not one but three different destinies at once, i love using sentinal/primal/sharadi. I love that i dont have to twist in just one piece of an alt destiny.

[droid327]

I thought their mechanic worked just like enchantments having acess to all of them with points as only limit



Incidentally, you're limited to 5 Heroic Enhancement trees too, plus one racial - they're not unlimited, and neither are Epic Destinies

[droid327]

only the highest "core" bonus among the 3 trees is active. they do not stack.

This is only true for DCs in the cores, because they're specifically typed "Epic" bonuses, and obey normal stacking rules for typed bonuses

All (most?) other cores are untyped, and so they stack fully. MP/RP, for example, you can stack from multiple lines...which is why /11/11 is often the best split for martial builds leveling up

[Valerianus]

So whats the point of having them at all if you cant benefit from their skill at the same time, like echantments?




you MUST unlock them all, with all your 20+ characters, and unlock them with your other lower level characters as soon as they hit 20. no matter if you don't plan to use some of them, unlock all.


because unlocking them will give you more points to spend in the trees.


for the rest, like they said, show\hide them from the ui (you can do it if there are no points spent in the tree you want to show\hide) via dropdown menu. exactly like "heroic" trees, except that you can spend points in max 3 destiny trees.

[Strider1963]

Yes, you have to unlock all the destinys but if youre a newer player you get very few destiny points to start with. I have a 3rd life toon with only a couple of epic past lives that I play for fun with a friend once or twice a week and I just leveled up to 20 and got only 12 points to spend. Other toons I have with epic completionist got at least 30 points to start with. So if people really believe that this system helps the newer player, theyre sadly mistaken. The only reason it works is that they nerfed the monsters big time. It would have been better for the newbies if they had just done away with the spheres and let people pick their epl's as it it now, and save all that dev time for something else constructive like fixing the myriad of bugs and developing new content. If you're new here, you still have to grind out epl,s, racials and heroics to catch up to the ubers and thats somewhere around 200 past lives so good luck with that guys.

[archest]

Yes, you have to unlock all the destinys but if youre a newer player you get very few destiny points to start with. I have a 3rd life toon with only a couple of epic past lives that I play for fun with a friend once or twice a week and I just leveled up to 20 and got only 12 points to spend. Other toons I have with epic completionist got at least 30 points to start with. So if people really believe that this system helps the newer player, theyre sadly mistaken. The only reason it works is that they nerfed the monsters big time. It would have been better for the newbies if they had just done away with the spheres and let people pick their epl's as it it now, and save all that dev time for something else constructive like fixing the myriad of bugs and developing new content. If you're new here, you still have to grind out epl,s, racials and heroics to catch up to the ubers and thats somewhere around 200 past lives so good luck with that guys.

but it does as it makes it a more familiar system to track points aka the AP balloon system and because the shared trees are the replacement for twists of fate there are more twists at the beginning and more capability then isolated to one tree with no twists of fate until 3rd or 4th tr. in the old system

[Weemadarthur]

but it does as it makes it a more familiar system to track points aka the AP balloon system and because the shared trees are the replacement for twists of fate there are more twists at the beginning and more capability then isolated to one tree with no twists of fate until 3rd or 4th tr. in the old system

This is unfortunately not 100% true. Although a new player can spend points in up to 3 trees with the lack of points they receive its generally not a good idea. To get anything meaningful out of a tree requires quite a large investment in points so if a new player wants anything resembling a decent level of power they will still be pretty much consigned to the one tree. The actual divide between new and vet players has been increased by a large margin with U51 as tomes, PL's and RXP are now worth a looooot more than they were previously.

New players may be ahead on power for their 1st life with the new system but every life after that is considerably weaker. Half a dozen lives on the old system and a player was done with full power thereafter. Half a dozen lives in with the new system and they have only gained 2 more AP.

[Sheltar87]

Yes, you have to unlock all the destinys but if youre a newer player you get very few destiny points to start with. I have a 3rd life toon with only a couple of epic past lives that I play for fun with a friend once or twice a week and I just leveled up to 20 and got only 12 points to spend. Other toons I have with epic completionist got at least 30 points to start with. So if people really believe that this system helps the newer player, theyre sadly mistaken. The only reason it works is that they nerfed the monsters big time. It would have been better for the newbies if they had just done away with the spheres and let people pick their epl's as it it now, and save all that dev time for something else constructive like fixing the myriad of bugs and developing new content. If you're new here, you still have to grind out epl,s, racials and heroics to catch up to the ubers and thats somewhere around 200 past lives so good luck with that guys.

I see where you going with speaking on behalf of newbies but I feel totally opposide. Having a challenge to work towards something that which might seem out of reach, or very annoying to achieve is what makes MMO for me, the farther the endgame is the better ;)

Also, thanks everybody for clarifing answers, I mean really, you all put it in such a way everything clicked immediately.

[droid327]

This is unfortunately not 100% true. Although a new player can spend points in up to 3 trees with the lack of points they receive its generally not a good idea. To get anything meaningful out of a tree requires quite a large investment in points so if a new player wants anything resembling a decent level of power they will still be pretty much consigned to the one tree. The actual divide between new and vet players has been increased by a large margin with U51 as tomes, PL's and RXP are now worth a looooot more than they were previously.

New players may be ahead on power for their 1st life with the new system but every life after that is considerably weaker. Half a dozen lives on the old system and a player was done with full power thereafter. Half a dozen lives in with the new system and they have only gained 2 more AP.

Definitely feel the difference with low-life characters...I have a non-reincarnating cap alt, before U50 she had her full optimal destiny spec (I didnt need the few minor extras like the fifth Twist). Now I definitely feel like her ceiling is lower because she only has 50something destiny points and will likely never get any more, and that's not quite enough to get full complementary/synergistic value out of three trees (T5/T4 or T5+11+11 for cores).

I think the current max is, what, 66 Destiny Points? And that's for quadruple Epic Completionist plus the biggest Store tome at L30. That's still barely enough for T5 in one tree (32+), T4 in a second (22+) and T2 in a third (8+)

[Weemadarthur]

I think the current max is, what, 66 Destiny Points? And that's for quadruple Epic Completionist plus the biggest Store tome at L30. That's still barely enough for T5 in one tree (32+), T4 in a second (22+) and T2 in a third (8+)

Although I agree with the above to a degree I will have to place 1 caveat into this line of thought (and is also one of the reasons I have been keeping a few of my opinions to myself in regards to the current changes). Remember that atm we are only looking at the 1st half of the system. If SSG don't expand hugely on what we have currently we will be positively swimming in points by the time we reach 40. The 66 points max we have now will become 106 points by 40. The initial 52 available will become 92 points then. Yes it sucks now but we only really have just over half of the available points we will have eventually.

Part of my problem with this current system is it does feel very much to me like half a system that they have attempted to turn into a whole one. Its like trying to judge how good your class trees are at level 10 without knowing what you will get at 12,18 and 20. In time with the cap increases giving us more points and hopefully a boatload of further balancing/bug fixing I feel the new system will have potential (although I think certain design flaws will just be exacerbated). For now though to me at least this feels like an overly rushed halfway point that it is impossible to judge due to how buggy, unbalanced and unfinished it currently feels.

The best I can say for the moment is we will have to wait and see how much the current system and game balance changes over future updates.