The Isle of Dread is Coming

[The_Human_Cypher]

Severlin confirmed on the livestream Q&A today that The Isle of Dread expansion is almost certain, and would be released during the spring/early summer of 2022.


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1208164886

I can't wait to see the dinosaurs. :)

https://www.paintmonkslibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Truman.jpg

[hit_fido]

SSG should design an intro quest around the ship ride to the island. It could work similar to Precious Cargo or Acute Delerium.

There's a lot more than just dinosaurs they could do interesting things with too, like the kopru. SSG's rendition of B1 turned out pretty well; even if most of the quests were short they captured the feel of the original setting and the final quest was really well made and fleshed out. I would hope that same level of detail and scope goes into the quest(s) they do for the kopru temple setting.

[Isolani]

Cool, I've been waiting for it for a while now.

Edit: Watched the part about Isle of Dread in the link. They say it will be a full expansion with level increase also, so not just a quest pack I guess.

[Alttab]

Looks nice :p

[Oxarhamar]

I really wish they would transcribe these videos for reading

[droid327]

I am a paleontologist. Devs, please ask me questions if you're unsure about anything design-wise :D

I do NOT want to see, e.g., tyrannosaurids with pronated wrists like that!

[ahpook]

I am a paleontologist. Devs, please ask me questions if you're unsure about anything design-wise :D

I do NOT want to see, e.g., tyrannosaurids with pronated wrists like that!

That's right. We expect the same real world accuracy that you have applied to warforged, beholders, sorcerers, mindflayers, ... <edited for brevity> to any dinosaurs you are including in a module.

[Oxarhamar]

That's right. We expect the same real world accuracy that you have applied to warforged, beholders, sorcerers, mindflayers, ... <edited for brevity> to any dinosaurs you are including in a module.

only one of those things exists outside of fantasy so it's fair ask

That being I hope that Isle of Dread Dinosaurs remain Legendary level only

No lowbie heroic or epic version that will only make it feel not so Legendary


I also hope that this expansion is done right

2 raids
many quests
7500 slayers
Dangerous Dinosaurs rares that would be awesome in the explorer area
Dinosaurs mount
Iconic


Also give us teleports to skip the explorer lag of monsters pathing when players just run thru serious

[The_Human_Cypher]

only one of those things exists outside of fantasy so it's fair ask

That being I hope that Isle of Dread Dinosaurs remain Legendary level only

No lowbie heroic or epic version that will only make it feel not so Legendary


I also hope that this expansion is done right

2 raids
many quests
7500 slayers
Dangerous Dinosaurs rares that would be awesome in the explorer area
Dinosaurs mount
Iconic


Also give us teleports to skip the explorer lag of monsters pathing when players just run thru serious

Severlin mentioned that there would be an Iconic class for the Isle of Dread expansion, but gave no other details. Let's hope it's a Shaman Sorcerer, the Sorcerer being the last core class with no Iconic.

[leesun]

Severlin mentioned that there would be an Iconic class for the Isle of Dread expansion, but gave no other details. Let's hope it's a Shaman Sorcerer, the Sorcerer being the last core class with no Iconic.

A confirmed iconic, and hypothetically possible shaman sorcerer iconic you say? You mean like... I don't know, just spitballing some ideas here... like a Iconic Paragon Kobold Shaman?

[Memnir]

Ready to set sail!

https://i.imgur.com/lrbTq21.gif

[magaiti]

I know the isle of Dread will not be a part of Eberron, but since we can call this a dinosaur expansion, any chance for a Talenta halfling iconic with a dinosaur mount?

[Valerianus]

I am a paleontologist. Devs, please ask me questions if you're unsure about anything design-wise :D

I do NOT want to see, e.g., tyrannosaurids with pronated wrists like that!


prepare yourself. this will be you. in a fantasy setting everything is allowed. like...


https://i.imgur.com/xdc7dqo.gif

[drathdragon]

so dinosaurs confirmed ?

[archest]

legendary content

[donblas]

I am a paleontologist. Devs, please ask me questions if you're unsure about anything design-wise :D

I do NOT want to see, e.g., tyrannosaurids with pronated wrists like that!

They already have raptors with wrists that aren't pronated in game. But they don't have feathers, alas.

But these are fantasy dinosaurs so they don't really have to conform to real-world science.

[ahpook]

only one of those things exists outside of fantasy so it's fair ask


Not really a fair ask. I do think its a fair ask to keep them honest to the Isle of Dread module (since they are leveraging its name). I am not familiar with that module so I don't know how dinosaurs were handled but if that module had dinosaurs with pronated wrists who swung swords and cast fireballs that should be fine for DDO.

[Dmitrythewizzy]

I don't care about the wrists but we better have dinosaurs that talk! Also, sleestacks.... many sleestacks....

[The_Human_Cypher]

I don't care about the wrists but we better have dinosaurs that talk! Also, sleestacks.... many sleestacks....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA

[Smelt32]

I am a paleontologist. Devs, please ask me questions if you're unsure about anything design-wise :D

I do NOT want to see, e.g., tyrannosaurids with pronated wrists like that!

Call me old fashioned.... but either that isn't a t-rex in the picture or the wrists pale into insignificance along side it having four fingers on each hand.

[Kielbasa]

New race and new iconic. Kobolds and Kobold Sorcerer Iconics. They are basically tiny dragons which are basically dinosaurs it is time. Dragon Disciples go!!!


I would also settle for an iconic druid that can shapeshift into a dinosaur.

[NemesisAlien]

Lol dinosaur hirelings.

[Tyrande]

I think the new race is Lizard folk w the racial tree, with ultimate edition comes with a legendary spiderman-ish Kobold shaman hireling. level cap raised to 32, and a destiny tome +2 and a supreme tome upgrade to +9?

new iconic class is probably either "monk" or "favored soul" since lizard folk get +2 Constitution and +1 wisdom as the race buffs?

Lizard folk cores is probably:

Hungry Jaws bite: Hungry Jaws is a reason to use your Bite attack. The temporary hit points you can gain from a successful attack aren’t huge per character level.
+1 Wis/Con
Hold Breath: +20 Swim?
+1 Wis/Con
Cunning Artisan: +10 to Cannith crafting levels? Upgrade in the tree for more?
Amphibious Combat: Lizard folks can attack and cast faster in water, and then got more dodge in underwater combat?

new weapons: Javelins (ranged) and Spears?

Do Lizard folk monks be centered with Javelins?

[jskinner937]

I think the new race is Lizard folk w the racial tree, with ultimate edition comes with a legendary spiderman-ish Kobold shaman hireling. level cap raised to 32, and a destiny tome +2 and a supreme tome upgrade to +9?

new iconic class is probably either "monk" or "favored soul" since lizard folk get +2 Constitution and +1 wisdom as the race buffs?

Lizard folk cores is probably:

Hungry Jaws bite: Hungry Jaws is a reason to use your Bite attack. The temporary hit points you can gain from a successful attack aren’t huge per character level.
+1 Wis/Con
Hold Breath: +20 Swim?
+1 Wis/Con
Cunning Artisan: +10 to Cannith crafting levels? Upgrade in the tree for more?
Amphibious Combat: Lizard folks can attack and cast faster in water, and then got more dodge in underwater combat?

new weapons: Javelins (ranged) and Spears?

Do Lizard folk monks be centered with Javelins?

This whole prediction would be sooooo unfun.

[Tyrande]

This whole prediction would be sooooo unfun.

I did not say it was fun, it was just my prediction. Since we're on the topic of fun, what would be a fun change though? I do not think giving Lizard folk a bazillion more hit points and ability to one shot things would be fun either;

maybe halflings or gnomes riding dinosaur pets in mounted and air combat (flying dinosaurs, i.e. like Avatar ride in Disney Animal Kingdom)? but that would break a lot of quests.

[Oxarhamar]

Lol dinosaur hirelings.

That would be cool too

[GeneralDiomedes]

I'm going to go with Rakasta (or Tabaxi if they alter the IOD storyline to fit them) as the new race well because furry cat people appeal to an certain demographic and that would bring in new players.

I have always had mixed feelings about dinosaurs being in a fantasy setting, but I'm sure that I will get over it after the first encounter. Raptors were cool in Sharn.

[jskinner937]

I did not say it was fun, it was just my prediction. Since we're on the topic of fun, what would be a fun change though? I do not think giving Lizard folk a bazillion more hit points and ability to one shot things would be fun either;

maybe halflings or gnomes riding dinosaur pets in mounted and air combat (flying dinosaurs, i.e. like Avatar ride in Disney Animal Kingdom)? but that would break a lot of quests.

Javelins not fun.

Spears would be awesome.

Lizardfolk would need something awesome as they are ugly characters. Something OP like Dragonborn. But agree on the melee side as they could use some help. Maybe extra fighter feats? Definitely Con as the ability modifier. I could see defense focused in the enhancement tree and definitely not monkish. Like a clicky that increase PRR/MRR to x2 your CON score. Also tactics boosts in the tree. Maybe cores would be HP and damage with certain melee weapons.

Ultimately ugly characters need more than just a theme.

[OfElectricMen]

only one of those things exists outside of fantasy so it's fair ask Counterpoint: Why? Why assume identical physiological evolution? That's just silly.


That being I hope that Isle of Dread Dinosaurs remain Legendary level only Counterpoint: It's for levels 3-7, it shouldn't have Epic/Legendary content.

[Oxarhamar]

Counterpoint: Why? Why assume identical physiological evolution? That's just silly.

Counterpoint: It's for levels 3-7, it shouldn't have Epic/Legendary content.

Take a look at the rest of the mobs in game based on non fantasy

If it's a Legendary level increase expansion I don't see the point of it having levels 3-7 quest

Make it all Legendary

[Valerianus]

Take a look at the rest of the mobs in game based on non fantasy

If it's a Legendary level increase expansion I don't see the point of it having levels 3-7 quest

Make it all Legendary



let's go wild, why not epic and legendary? or why not giving it more value and thrice it, heroic and epic and legendary?

who knows, they may come up with a new category for the new stuff and separate it from the "epic" label. i mean, panel at quest entrance, 3 options, heroic, epic, legendary. with their loot and rules and scaling. yeah i'm just brainstorming.



the important stuff is that a lvl 20 can group with a capped one, no matter how high the cap, without penalties, like we do now, or it will be very very bad.

[Marshal_Lannes]

Dinosaurs plus a Sorcerer iconic? Oh yes. Yes, please!

[Tyrande]

[...]
the important stuff is that a lvl 20 can group with a capped one, no matter how high the cap, without penalties, like we do now, or it will be very very bad.

level 20 grouping with a level 32 or eventually with level 40 power leveling the level 20? I don't think this is likely to happen.

[Valerianus]

level 20 grouping with a level 32 or eventually with level 40 power leveling the level 20? I don't think this is likely to happen.


it must happen. why powerleveling? what's the difference with a 20 grouping with a 30 now? is it powerleveling? the alternative is the dreaded "fragmenting the player base" a lot of posters are calling as a really bad outcome of level cap increase. it is also like playing together older raids, and helping newer players. grouping options with no penalties, that's the best epic questing feature, aside from bravery restrictions, that btw, are more loose than heroic ones.

[Dark_Lord_Mary]

again - no on the monster races as playables
there's literally a dozen normal player races DDO is missing

We need the 2 Eberron races we are missing, Changelings and Kalashtar

Also

We are missing a huge iconic from our Forgotten Realms side - a Drow of the Underdark iconic - something that should have been introduced back when Iconics were first created.

the Forgotten Realms Underdark and Drow are still some of the most popular content in all of Dungeons and Dragons - literally people who have never even played D&D know about drow and the underdark because it is now just part of the cultural zeitgeist. And we are missing it.

R.A. SALVATORE is an author many know who do not play D&D and a name many who do love -

The Icewind Dale Books
The Dark Elf Trilogy Books
Legacy of the Drow Books

just to name a few of the series of books created that put the Drow of the Underdark center-stage. They are extremely popular elements of the franchise and an easy go-to for they are a guaranteed profitable asset.

Adding a Drow of the Underdark Iconic to DDO would absolutely attract new players as many who come here look for it.

We only need a small history lesson too to remember that the Menace of the Underdark expansion saved DDO and Turbine and was the most popular expansion they ever released.

If they had asked me (which they did not) I would have advised them financially to invest in more Forgotten Realms Underdark content and released a major expansion there - yes I want Ilse of Dread, but rather than waste the resources they put into U51 they could have given us an overhaul of the Underdark and a massive expansion of its denizens, quests, and tie-ins with existing franchise elements that have been proven money makers for other game manufacturers.

[droid327]

Counterpoint: Why? Why assume identical physiological evolution? That's just silly.


Because if it's a different organism from a different world that evolved in a different way...then it's not actually a dinosaur, is it?

You either are a dinosaur or you're not. And if you are, then you're either an accurate dinosaur or an inaccurate one, and there's no benefit to being inaccurate

[GeneralDiomedes]

You either are a dinosaur or you're not. And if you are, then you're either an accurate dinosaur or an inaccurate one, and there's no benefit to being inaccurate

I think it a safe bet they won't create them with minature human arms with claws. Give the art team *some* credit.

[Ganak]

I really appreciate the engagement and transparency of Severlin on the twitch broadcast. They cover a lot of ground and I really encourage folks invested in this game to watch. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1208164886

[yfernbottom]

I just hope it has a big exploration area. Regardless, I though they did a good job with Keep on the Bordelands, so I have high hopes.

[The_Human_Cypher]

I just hope it has a big exploration area. Regardless, I though they did a good job with Keep on the Bordelands, so I have high hopes.

Yes, this is my hope as well. It's important to have a large, immersive wilderness area for the Isle of Dread as exploration is an important part of this setting. The size of the Feywild wilderness area was underwhelming and disappointing.

[The_Human_Cypher]

I'm going to go with Rakasta (or Tabaxi if they alter the IOD storyline to fit them) as the new race well because furry cat people appeal to an certain demographic and that would bring in new players.

I have always had mixed feelings about dinosaurs being in a fantasy setting, but I'm sure that I will get over it after the first encounter. Raptors were cool in Sharn.

I doubt the Kobold is the new player race, if there is one for the expansion. Maybe it's some Elf variant like a jungle Drow. :)

http://www.worldanvil.com/media/cache/cover/uploads/images/cfc0732c8fcf55610197935a9440c5a0.jpg

[The_Human_Cypher]

I really appreciate the engagement and transparency of Severlin on the twitch broadcast. They cover a lot of ground and I really encourage folks invested in this game to watch. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1208164886

Me too. SSG is probably being careful, however, about overpromising or mentioning projects that never come to fruition.

[Aelonwy]

I doubt the Kobold is the new player race, if there is one for the expansion. Maybe it's some Elf variant like a jungle Drow. :)

http://www.worldanvil.com/media/cache/cover/uploads/images/cfc0732c8fcf55610197935a9440c5a0.jpg

Eh? *shrug* Don't we have enough elves for the time being?

We could really use some dwarven variants or halfling clans or anything but more elves. We're awash in elves... elf, wood elf, sun elf, half-elf, drow. We may not be able to play them but we've even seen sea elves in-game in Saltmarsh.

[Aelonwy]

If the new Iconic is sorcerer, I hope the new race is Genasi, failing that it should have been a Dragonborn Sorcerer Iconic. Want to bring in Kobold? Introduce the caster class Shaman, it is a mix of arcane and primal, the way bard is a mix of arcane and divine.

[NemesisAlien]

Eh? *shrug* Don't we have enough elves for the time being?

We could really use some dwarven variants or halfling clans or anything but more elves. We're awash in elves... elf, wood elf, sun elf, half-elf, drow. We may not be able to play them but we've even seen sea elves in-game in Saltmarsh.

Need wing elf to complete the collection. :p

[NemesisAlien]

If the new Iconic is sorcerer, I hope the new race is Genasi, failing that it should have been a Dragonborn Sorcerer Iconic. Want to bring in Kobold? Introduce the caster class Shaman, it is a mix of arcane and primal, the way bard is a mix of arcane and divine.

Isnt genasi have arcane, half psionic? Their purpose in life is to cook takoyaki after all.

[misterski]

Isnt genasi have arcane, half psionic? Their purpose in life is to cook takoyaki after all.

Thought they were similar to aasimar or tieflings, only descended from elementals rather than having divine or fiendish origins.

[Mindos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/e0cavf/talk_dumb_get_the_thumb/

[The_Human_Cypher]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/e0cavf/talk_dumb_get_the_thumb/

Did dinosaurs really fight with each other like that? :)

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I am a paleontologist. Devs, please ask me questions if you're unsure about anything design-wise :D

I do NOT want to see, e.g., tyrannosaurids with pronated wrists like that!

I so much agree !!!

( I had been studying Geology in the 90s. Had to stop it, sadly. Only a decade later I was diagnosed with Dyscalculia. )

[Oxarhamar]

[QUOTE=The_Human_Cypher;6481993]Did dinosaurs really fight with each other like that? :)[/QUOTE

thumb spike was for defense against predators so

[OldSchoolDNDGuy82]

I am a paleontologist. Devs, please ask me questions if you're unsure about anything design-wise :D

I do NOT want to see, e.g., tyrannosaurids with pronated wrists like that!


Ok, but I do! Because it's B-movie accurate, not reality accurate. Have you ever seen B-movie dinosaurs that were reality accurate? No. No you haven't. So please let me keep my B-movie monsters. I need this!!!