Fishing

[Annex]

This thread is not about what you think it is going to be about. Please bear with me.

So, after resetting my Avatar to level 1, I decided to eat something. While eating, I happened to look at the forums for The Lord of the Rings Online. That game is about to get an expansion and I am mildly curious what will go wrong.

The Lord of the Rings Online includes a fishing hobby. Fishing works like this: First, you need to ride out to a place with water, like a pond or stream. Next, your character must equip a fishing pole. Facing the water, you press a button which causes your character to cast. Then you wait. Wait. It is random. Wait. The fishing pole starts to dip. You now have about three seconds to press the fishing button again. If you do so quickly enough, your character reels in the line and catches something. Usually you get a fish but sometimes it is a shoe or whatever. If you are patient and reel in at the right moment every time, you catch a fish every 15 seconds or so.

For whatever reason, some people love fishing. There is something seriously wrong with them. Every so often, one of them will ask the developers of that game to add more fishing activities. A couple of people support the idea. In the next region, there will be a new fishing quest or two. Other players will now write fishing hate posts, asking the developers why they included more awful fishing quests.

Apparently, people who like fishing recently asked for more fishing activities and the developers responded! They added a new crafting recipe that requires fish. It happens that this particular recipe is used to make the most powerful moral regenerating food for the new level cap. This is the food every single raider will need when raiding.

Well. As you can imagine, the raiders are a little upset. They will either need to fish for their regeneration food or buy it from someone else. However, since most players hate fishing, the supply of fish will be very small and the demand very high. Many undies have been twisted.

To put this in perspective, imagine if fishing existed in DDO, that healing potions were created using fish, and that each such potion required one fish. That would mean each potion would require at least 15 seconds of fishing. The DDO Forums would E X P L O D E. However, in the forums for The Lord of the Rings Online, the people who like fishing are defending the new recipe and, one presumes, their future profits. :)

This tiny teacup tempest made me laugh very hard. I am not particularly happy with Update 51 but things could have been much worse. The developers could have added fishing to DDO. It sort of put things in perspective for me. :o

[silinteresting]

i want fishing in ddo, sounds cool. a nice relaxing time fishing before adventuring in a dungeon sounds good to me.

your friend sil :)

[Saekee]

OMG thanks for sharing, how awful

I would be ok for some fishing thing for a festival temporary event though since doing the skating is just as brainless

[Wahnsinnig]

I tried fishing in Lotro, and I did not find it in any way fun, interesting or engaging.

I am happy we do not have it in DDO :)

[Aelonwy]

I've always wanted a fishing emote added, not necessarily a fishing activity, but the ability to rp and take a screenshot of my character fishing.

Beats me why they don't monetize that, I mean they could create a list of fun, engaging emotes and you could purchase essentially permission for the characters on your account to use/activate such emotes. I would also want /blowing bubbles and /strut, /read, more bard instrument styles and access to more/all dances.

[Jerevth]

Potions? You're not thinking big enough- CAKES!
Pop a fishcake for a rez or full heal/remove harmful buffs.

One of the things I liked about the SW game was the crafting system; you could train your character up to be a master craftsman, look for special rare resources, make stuff and sell them.

Angst, anger and teacups aside, I do wish DDO could introduce and develop an in game system (economic/character development, resource sources).
But there would be angst, anger and teacups. It would definitely give an avenue for alts to be developed, though.

Probably better it stays in LotRo. It would be intro'd in Lamannia and be completely different by the time it went live. And break spell targeting.

[Logicman69]

i want fishing in ddo, sounds cool. a nice relaxing time fishing before adventuring in a dungeon sounds good to me.

your friend sil :)

I would accept fishing in DDO (or any other type of resource farming activity like mining or logging) IF... and only IF.. It can be done passively while either AFK or logged out. Adding activities like this create a unnecessary time sink in a game. I am all about expanding the game, and activities like this seem to be the norm in MMO's, but if I have to spend hours fishing or logging in order to make a potion... no thank you.

Now, if we had logging and mining... and I can set my character to do that activity when I am AFK.. AND it allowed me to do something really special (like say, build a player house) then maybe I would be ok with it.

[Enderoc]

i want fishing in ddo, sounds cool. a nice relaxing time fishing before adventuring in a dungeon sounds good to me.

your friend sil :)

That's what slayers are for...
What kind of people play Lord of the Rings anyway?

[Tyrande]

This thread is not about what you think it is going to be about. Please bear with me.
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To put this in perspective, imagine if fishing existed in DDO, that healing potions were created using fish, and that each such potion required one fish. That would mean each potion would require at least 15 seconds of fishing. The DDO Forums would E X P L O D E. However, in the forums for The Lord of the Rings Online, the people who like fishing are defending the new recipe and, one presumes, their future profits. :)

This tiny teacup tempest made me laugh very hard. I am not particularly happy with Update 51 but things could have been much worse. The developers could have added fishing to DDO. It sort of put things in perspective for me. :o

If fishing were in DDO, does that mean one can open a seafood restaurant, Apothecaries in Stormreach, Sharn or Eveningstar proper and start charging people platinum for tasting the seafood from the menu. Maybe cooking is another crafting skill? Maybe make those crafted items (buff) work in dungeons/quests/wilderness as well so that its more useful. Wonder how those Mnemonic potions or Heal potions are made? ....?

[gaffneyks]

Honestly, that is one thing that DDO is missing.

Secondary skill sets for crafting items. I maxed out a crafter, but GEEZ having to farm collectables and there does not seem to be many on auction house when you run out.

Other MMOs have an entire economy based around crafting. So you might have a player that farms wood, or fishes. Others that craft. They buy the materials from the auction house.
Gives them something else to do other than grind out xp and quest all the time. Whatever monetary system the game has is actually worthwhile.

Heck this might give something to do with platinum in DDO. I used to ignore Plat until I got close to getting my reaper wings.....now I am hording it....

[Valerianus]

wall of test incoming


i get what OP is saying, but ddo players need some LOTRO backstory, just for info.


about fishing
it is a "hobby". hobbies were introduced as an interesting idea and then discontinued. fishing is the first indroduced....and the only one. it's a totally secondary and optional activity. you do it for fun, for unlock fishing deeds to show off, to catch rare fish to turn into housing decorations, yeah you don't find any fish anywere in the world obviosly, different areas may have or may not have different kind of fish in their rivers and ponds. you can use them in some cook craft recipe but nothing mandatory to have, and yeah, some festival activity or some landscape quest too sometimes. you wanna do it? you do it. you wanna ignore it? you ignore. your call. stuff that contributes to make the world more alive. something more.


about cook craft
in lotro generally speaking you harvest raw materials form lanscape nodes or mob drop or loot. to cook, you have your crafting alt with yeoman profession (yes if you are into crafting you need craft alts to cover all, cooking, tailoring, metalsmith etcetcetc), that means, that char has both farming and cooking. farming means you produce yourself resource nodes, (e.g. metal and wood nodes are in landcape) click on em, harvest them, and then craft (craft part can be done afk) the raw materials into mats. then the cook part comes into play, you craft ingredients, mix with vendor things, like, bags of salt or butter lol, and then craft the finihed product, food, that means, buff consumables. healing potions are scholar material, no cook, but this does not matter, food is really important for instances or raids. it can help too if you are playing landscape questing, it's easy even solo, but not required. the farm part, yes you have to plant stuff and actively harvest, but once you are done, it's fast you don't need that much, the rest of the craft at the craft station is afk activity. like, now i just make things up as example, i have 100 apples and 100 flour, i want to craft apple pie, at the craft station i click make all, or i type a x number, and it queue 100 or x apple pies. and you go afk.


NOW BACK TO OP
that said, the new expansion lauching today in lotro, featuring a level cap increase too, it introduced a new crafting top tier with these brand new top food consumables requiring "fish fillets" as base ingredient, so forcing you to go fishing to collect your raw mat needed for fillets. it seems like trolling a bit imho, i mean, sounds like lightly fried fish fillets, that's meme material. this made me laugh hard hahaha. also fishing instead of just planting a field and harvest crops, it's incredibly time consuming. consider that you may fish out also stuff like old boots, rusted axes, balls of gunk, that is, trash. it's a discontinued optional hobby activity entering dangerously in the raiding scene. a seriously weird idea, like, there a thread titled ""Adding fishing as crafting requirement for max lvl food - Why? Do you hate us?"" lol. imho they are right to be upset.



btw, as i said, fishing in ddo, why not, as long as it is a secondary activity. this has to do with what i said many times, ddo is a single player game with multiplayer options, it's no mmo imho. what happened, or the old turbine botched it all coding a wannabe mmo like it were some baldurs gate or diablo or neverwinter from the '90, or they were sheer geniuses, like, how to monetize such a product for 15 years and counting and sell it to old geezers. yes we are getting old my dudes.

whatever, imho it is a good thing because classes are not stremlined, not boring, no fixed rotation, no trinity, ddo is not balanceable, only stirred and metashifted, it's cool and fun and interesting. but it lacks any mmo feature, ddo has none. and it is in serious tech debt, seriously, like, storage.

lotro is cool too but in the end your char can do just one thing at endgame (leveling in lanscape, you build how you want, it's easy, you are free), no multiclass, no gear tetris, you just need bis gear, gear is....numbers to stack up and that's it, just look for a guide and will tell you the best way to achieve the needed numbers if you wanna push endgame instance\raiding.

i like ddo more, and playing thru lotro for the first time, but lotro has real storytelling, i finished yesterday the storyline "the black book of mordor". wow. dialogues, the world is alive and beautiful, user made plugins, yeah only 1 year younger than ddo but for sure it received a lot of more investment money, and stuff like

*** Aelonwy said
I've always wanted a fishing emote added, not necessarily a fishing activity, but the ability to rp and take a screenshot of my character fishing.

Beats me why they don't monetize that, I mean they could create a list of fun, engaging emotes and you could purchase essentially permission for the characters on your account to use/activate such emotes. I would also want /blowing bubbles and /strut, /read, more bard instrument styles and access to more/all dances. ****

stuff like this. mmo stuff. e.g. in lotro additional emotes can be unlock with deeds, questing, festivals, and paid in store obviously. imagine this in ddo, in lotro at some festivals there are quest givers, festival activities\minigames are quests, where you have to dance. like, in hobbiton you can do the quest dance like a hobbit. yeah, if you are no hobbit you can unlock the hobbit dance emotes. the fact that in ddo they are not even selling this stuff, it means it is just not possible, speaking of tech debt. in lotro there are servers labeled as roleplay servers. in ddo it's just impossible, only instanced dungeon crawl exist, and only instanced dungeon crawl is possible i guess. even events are hostage of the most dreadful and convoluted and player-unfriendly mechanic ever imaginable, an abomination that should have never been conceived....challenge system. that is, the distorted ddo version of "scalable content", 100% anti-grouping! thanks old turbine, your will forever haunt us. no meaning to expand events or even do something new it's a fail from the start, unless you are just intersted in farm em at cap, but that's not what a festival is supposed to offer. it seems like to me, imho, that ddo, the way it was created and coded, just can't support normal proper mmo features. i really hope to be wrong! i would kill for a music system! my secret ddo dream.




TLDR: chitchat aside, it would be really nice to have some optional activity in ddo too. something more is something more, it's always a win even for those not interested, a more lively world, more options. yeah in the end even more events, even if ruined by the lack of landscape and the only way to code em atm, challenges.

[Oxarhamar]

Fishing in UO had treasure maps in bottles that lead to monsters and loot as well as other big fights with possible big loot

That

[Hawkwier]

By Crom, I can think of a no more tedious a past time than fishing irl.

I certainly won't be doing it in a game.

YMMV.

[C-Dog]

For whatever reason, some people love fishing. There is something seriously wrong with them.
...because they're not you? :rolleyes:

I've played LOTRO, and I found the fishing a nice break - on occasion. NOT something I wanted to concentrate on, but, at time, a calm alternative to kill, Kill, KILL!!! :cool:


I tried fishing in Lotro, and I did not find it in any way fun, interesting or engaging.
It's not, and it's not supposed to be.

It's more... zen. It recognizes that not all players have the same approach to the game, nor seek the same rewards.

[Marshal_Lannes]

I like the idea. Let's bring fishing to DDO. Fishing in the Stormhorns would be picturesque, calming, and a solid addition to the game.

[Valerianus]

...because they're not you? :rolleyes:

I've played LOTRO, and I found the fishing a nice break - on occasion. NOT something I wanted to concentrate on, but, at time, a calm alternative to kill, Kill, KILL!!! :cool:


It's not, and it's not supposed to be.

It's more... zen. It recognizes that not all players have the same approach to the game, nor seek the same rewards.



yeah agree, this is the point. what it makes a world more alive. stuff to do, if you want to. if you like. e.g. in lotro i don't care about fishing, but i spent lot of hours, and i will spend more, setting up abc music files and then playing music, my account + other 3, multiboxing my band.

also the whole levelling process, if you like, you may take it slow and "have a journey". in ddo there's nothing like that. because the world is not relevant, it basically does not exist, only instanced dungeons.

[Memnir]

Hey, if Fishing is good enough to warrant a new edition of Skyrim - it's good enough for DDO.
(sarcasm level: minimal)

[Annex]

Mommy, the crazy people are scaring me!