Epic Gem of Many Facets Re-Roll

[kanosis]

Is there a reason we can re-roll the Legendary version but not the Epic? I imagine it would help quite a bit with level 20 twink gear if you could get what you were actually looking for.

Perhaps 1 Greater Token of the Twelve to re-roll for those who really really want to? Or something even easier to obtain if you are feeling generous.

I'd love to see it, if it is an oversight and we can possibly have it that would be fantastic. If it is a technical issue where the gains do not justify the work by SSG I would love to know that for sure! If a Dev could respond that would be fantastic.

PS I think some other people might care about re-rolling Heroic too just not me atm.

Thanks!

[Oxarhamar]

Is there a reason we can re-roll the Legendary version but not the Epic? I imagine it would help quite a bit with level 20 twink gear if you could get what you were actually looking for.

Perhaps 1 Greater Token of the Twelve to re-roll for those who really really want to? Or something even easier to obtain if you are feeling generous.

I'd love to see it, if it is an oversight and we can possibly have it that would be fantastic. If it is a technical issue where the gains do not justify the work by SSG I would love to know that for sure! If a Dev could respond that would be fantastic.

PS I think some other people might care about re-rolling Heroic too just not me atm.

Thanks!

We all know it would be better to just require a certain amount of ingredients for choosing an effect

Gamble spend resources is the new chase item grind

So long SSS hello gambling grind

[NabeGewell]

We all know it would be better to just require a certain amount of ingredients for choosing an effect

Gamble spend resources is the new chase item grind

So long SSS hello gambling grind

Agreed, the current concept of the gem is absurd. Or it should be what it's named after and be part of all MANY(all the possible) set bonuses like it used to be.

At least with the old system you could have gotten arcane caster levels, now its just a dumb gimmick.

[Oxarhamar]

Agreed, the current concept of the gem is absurd. Or it should be what it's named after and be part of all MANY(all the possible) set bonuses like it used to be.

At least with the old system you could have gotten arcane caster levels, now its just a dumb gimmick.

Yep previous version was exponentially better

[NemesisAlien]

Agreed, the current concept of the gem is absurd. Or it should be what it's named after and be part of all MANY(all the possible) set bonuses like it used to be.

At least with the old system you could have gotten arcane caster levels, now its just a dumb gimmick.

Oh the other hand you cant just treat it like a really good trinket, better then the old risa trinket.

[NemesisAlien]

Is there a reason we can re-roll the Legendary version but not the Epic? I imagine it would help quite a bit with level 20 twink gear if you could get what you were actually looking for.

Perhaps 1 Greater Token of the Twelve to re-roll for those who really really want to? Or something even easier to obtain if you are feeling generous.

I'd love to see it, if it is an oversight and we can possibly have it that would be fantastic. If it is a technical issue where the gains do not justify the work by SSG I would love to know that for sure! If a Dev could respond that would be fantastic.

PS I think some other people might care about re-rolling Heroic too just not me atm.

Thanks!

You can reroll the epic, its an infinite roulette at the legacy altar.

[Oxarhamar]

You can reroll the epic, its an infinite roulette at the legacy altar.

And what is the point of this other that time wasted instead of just choosing the bonuses and be done with it

[Inanout]

Is it not about time to have a new loot Dev?
I thought they changed every so often.

[kanosis]

You can reroll the epic, its an infinite roulette at the legacy altar.

Is this 100% true? Can’t hop on right now to check. If this is true it’s kind of dumb, you are getting the new item, it should be in the new altar. Just like re-rolls for legendary are in the new altar...

[Chacka_DDO]

Is this 100% true? Can’t hop on right now to check. If this is true it’s kind of dumb, you are getting the new item, it should be in the new altar. Just like re-rolls for legendary are in the new altar...

Yes it works this way and it is indeed quite senseless and a waste of time the legendary version is even worse because you have you waste your hard-earned thread of fates for each reroll.
The Gem itself is basically a very good idea and basically very close to my idea of how items should be in general in DDO (you can craft any effects you want also on named items) but this is by the random mechanic spoiled.

[NemesisAlien]

Yes it works this way and it is indeed quite senseless and a waste of time the legendary version is even worse because you have you waste your hard-earned thread of fates for each reroll.
The Gem itself is basically a very good idea and basically very close to my idea of how items should be in general in DDO (you can craft any effects you want also on named items) but this is by the random mechanic spoiled.

Gem is technically no longer a "named" item, you cant feed it, you cant crunch it, you cant sell it, you can only dump it. :p

[Chai]

Either someone felt they needed a currency-of-progress sync, or they are running a comical psy-op to evaluate what percentage of the loot-chaser market audience will farm the bees knees out of the ingredients to push the button just one more time hoping/praying the desired effect will end up on the item.

Press Your Luck was great as a game show, but it sucks as a loot set building mechanic.

[Arctigis]

Either someone felt they needed a currency-of-progress sync, or they are running a comical psy-op to evaluate what percentage of the loot-chaser market audience will farm the bees knees out of the ingredients to push the button just one more time hoping/praying the desired effect will end up on the item.

Press Your Luck was great as a game show, but it sucks as a loot set building mechanic.

Based on what people have apparently been doing with Nebula Fragments, my bet is on more
loot gambling in the future.

[Chacka_DDO]

Gem is technically no longer a "named" item, you cant feed it, you cant crunch it, you cant sell it, you can only dump it. :p

There are several named items you cannot feed to sentient weapons (for example the named items in the reward list in Stormhorns) the Gem of many facets is obviously a named item and not a random item.
Therefore it is for me a good example of how a different itemization could work where you can craft effects on named items (replace effects you don't need with effects you need)
And you could find effect shards instead of random items that are 95% trash and the effect shards you could also craft on named items or on random items (you find those random items in the quest reward list).
And you could then also have named effect shards...

My goal is to make random, named, and crafted items compatible with each other and give all 3 different item sources a more or less equal value.
And foremost making item rewards much less random as it is now. (a small potion of randomness can be fun but if it gets too luck dependant it can be also very frustrating)

[NemesisAlien]

There are several named items you cannot feed to sentient weapons (for example the named items in the reward list in Stormhorns) the Gem of many facets is obviously a named item and not a random item.
Therefore it is for me a good example of how a different itemization could work where you can craft effects on named items (replace effects you don't need with effects you need)
And you could find effect shards instead of random items that are 95% trash and the effect shards you could also craft on named items or on random items (you find those random items in the quest reward list).
And you could then also have named effect shards...

My goal is to make random, named, and crafted items compatible with each other and give all 3 different item sources a more or less equal value.
And foremost making item rewards much less random as it is now. (a small potion of randomness can be fun but if it gets too luck dependant it can be also very frustrating)

Well if only we can crunch it since we can blank it.

Maybe asking for too much.

[GramercyRiff]

This item is awful. I'm not a fan of item design in DDO, and this is the worst of the bunch.

I dislike this item so much I think it's worse than lag.

[dogsoldier]

I like the Epic Gem of Many Facets, craftable trinket with an augment slot, that can be part of two u50 set bonuses.

Mine has Epic Raven's Eye and Windlasher Ferocity set bonuses. Using Epic Raven's Sight and Epic Hyena Claw Necklace to complete those sets.

Crafted:
Seeker +9
Healing Amp +38
Insightful Deadly +3
Yellow Slot: Damage +8

The heroic one could be good, but you would have to get lucky on the set bonuses, and sadly no augment slot. There aren't many good heroic trinkets anyway though, so I will probably craft a couple of these at some point.

I am not going to bother with the Legendary version, seems like there are better things to spend threads of fate on, like dual set filigrees. And besides, I like the new Saltmarsh Minor Artifact that takes the trinket slot.

[Aelonwy]

Anyone else read the title of this thread as Epic Gem of Many Face-Roll? Or just my tired brain?

[kmoustakas]

I also believe it is one of the best items I've ever seen which makes my old posts where a developer told me they didn't want music box to be the best item in slot a joke hence the minimum level.

I am planning one version for heroic with silver flame eternal faith and hopefully cleric abilities and one epic with con/insightful con and two useful sets. But I have to get the other items first before trying to settle down on the actual sets bonuses I'd need.

[Jeoffree]

I support the original post. A reroll for the epic version would be very helpful. It was frustrating to create an epic gem knowing that it would randomize set bonuses but not realizing only the legendary version had the re-roll.

thanks,