Legendary Gem of Many Facets missing some set bonuses?

[Fivetigers33]

From the VoN possibilities, I'm only seeing Mroranon's Might and Draconic Prophesy as options. Anyone know if this is intentional or an oversight? It'd be nice if all the VoN sets were possibilities (Wards of House Kundarak, Silver Concord's Subtlety, Kundarak Delving Equipment, and Soul of the Red Dragon).

I refreshed the legendary crafting window for about 20 minutes to make sure I wasn't just getting unlucky.

[slarden]

These are the sets I saw:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/109cOuRE6HongB-DsQbqilQ5gdJMTxiowEHkrFmBMu4I/edit?usp=sharing

It may not be complete and does not represent every possible set - as you say

[Fivetigers33]

These are the sets I saw:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/109cOuRE6HongB-DsQbqilQ5gdJMTxiowEHkrFmBMu4I/edit?usp=sharing

It may not be complete and does not represent every possible set - as you say

That's pretty much what I saw too. I just don't know why the devs would cherry pick less than half of the VoN sets, which makes me hope it's an oversight. BTW on your chart, Divine Blessing should be a Red Fens set.

[Firebreed]

Yes, it is definitely a bug. Devs haven't commented on it yet.

[slarden]

That's pretty much what I saw too. I just don't know why the devs would cherry pick less than half of the VoN sets, which makes me hope it's an oversight. BTW on your chart, Divine Blessing should be a Red Fens set.
Thanks, fixed. So yes only those 2 sets then.

[Fivetigers33]

Any chance a dev can comment on whether the Gem is supposed to include all the VON sets or not? Would love to know for future gear planning. Thanks.

[Lynnabel]

Did some digging and yes, all versions (Heroic/Epic/Legendary) are currently unable to roll into a few of the VoN set bonuses. This has been fixed internally, and will be in an upcoming patch. I apologize for not looking into this sooner, given that a more in-depth look could have prevented the majority of the confusion. In the future I'll do a better job of investigating reports like this.

[Fivetigers33]

Did some digging and yes, all versions (Heroic/Epic/Legendary) are currently unable to roll into a few of the VoN set bonuses. This has been fixed internally, and will be in an upcoming patch. I apologize for not looking into this sooner, given that a more in-depth look could have prevented the majority of the confusion. In the future I'll do a better job of investigating reports like this.

You're my hero. :cool: Thank you for the reply.

[Saekee]

Did some digging and yes, all versions (Heroic/Epic/Legendary) are currently unable to roll into a few of the VoN set bonuses. This has been fixed internally, and will be in an upcoming patch. I apologize for not looking into this sooner, given that a more in-depth look could have prevented the majority of the confusion. In the future I'll do a better job of investigating reports like this.
Thanks for doing this.

anyway we can have a clickie option to randomize the set bonus of the heroic version? I would be fine doing this with dragonshards or something in the rituals altar. Really really hard to get the one you want without running the raid 100+ times

[Firebreed]

Thanks for doing this.

anyway we can have a clickie option to randomize the set bonus of the heroic version? I would be fine doing this with dragonshards or something in the rituals altar. Really really hard to get the one you want without running the raid 100+ times

This.
All of my this.
Please.

[Xugx_quetoxi]

Did some digging and yes, all versions (Heroic/Epic/Legendary) are currently unable to roll into a few of the VoN set bonuses. This has been fixed internally, and will be in an upcoming patch. I apologize for not looking into this sooner, given that a more in-depth look could have prevented the majority of the confusion. In the future I'll do a better job of investigating reports like this.

Terrible news to find out now after 2K threads used to re-rolls looking for a Kundarak set bonus. At least I gave up trying before my threads were all gone.

Chickenplucker, Argo

[Carpone]

Did some digging and yes, all versions (Heroic/Epic/Legendary) are currently unable to roll into a few of the VoN set bonuses. This has been fixed internally, and will be in an upcoming patch. I apologize for not looking into this sooner, given that a more in-depth look could have prevented the majority of the confusion. In the future I'll do a better job of investigating reports like this.

So about that triple Threads of Fate weekend bonus . . .

[Chacka_DDO]

Did some digging and yes, all versions (Heroic/Epic/Legendary) are currently unable to roll into a few of the VoN set bonuses. This has been fixed internally, and will be in an upcoming patch. I apologize for not looking into this sooner, given that a more in-depth look could have prevented the majority of the confusion. In the future I'll do a better job of investigating reports like this.

First of all, I know it demands some kind of greatness to admit a mistake and even more important try to correct such a mistake this should be a good example for everyone (including myself).

But to the topic, I can only say I strongly dislike the idea of randomly rolled set bonuses, in my opinion, this is bad game design and I can also give you a reason why I think so...

Now with even more effects (after you add the missed Kundarak effects), it is even more unlikely that you get the set bonus or even exactly the bonuses you looking for and this has consequences...
Each time you roll the wrong bonus it is a moment of "pain" (so to speak) and you as a game designer hope these potentially many moments of frustration are outweighed by the moment of "relief" when you actually get what you want.
I know psychological experiments actually confirm that this is not completely absurd because often you only remember the moment of relief after the pain but you would have exactly the same psychological effect when you don't have to rely on your luck and the "pain" is only to gather enough threads of fate to get the set bonus effects on your item you want.
Then the moment of "relief" is guaranteed after you get your well-earned item (or whatever)
BUT what happens if you roll away ALL your hard-earned thread of fates (this can be thousands) with bad luck? In such a case you memorize ONLY pain with the result that the whole thing is NO fun for you.

A certain number of players might be even immune to such frustration but I can even imagine a less resilient player could actually be tempted to quit DDO at all at such a moment...
Some might say it is the players' own fault if he is stupid enough to roll away thousands of threads of fate (I would not do it) but in my opinion, the better way is to prevent such a bad situation for everyone (which is at the end in the interest of SSG if they don't want to lose players).

Therefore my suggestion would be that you can add exactly the effect you want to that item for a reasonable number of threads of fate.

And by the way, this is also the reason why I think meanwhile that game designers should be VERY careful when it comes to randomly generated loot especially when they going to make something super rare.
This can fire back in a terrible way.

[Deathrobot]

I totally agree random rolling with all these possibilities is terrible design. In my case i needed the shaman's fury set for a nuker build i wanted to make and i ve spent 5k+ threads but havent got it yet. I checked, it exists but to say the least its beyond frustrating. I d rather have it being like the sharn crafting system. Have a set amount of threads needed for each of the 2 boni in that case 750ish which is considerable but achievable. If theres a clear requirement in sight it is much more acceptable since you actually see a light at the end of the tunnel but currently its a black hole of threads especially if you ones luck (like my own) is abysmal.

[Zdevor]

Did some digging and yes, all versions (Heroic/Epic/Legendary) are currently unable to roll into a few of the VoN set bonuses. This has been fixed internally, and will be in an upcoming patch. I apologize for not looking into this sooner, given that a more in-depth look could have prevented the majority of the confusion. In the future I'll do a better job of investigating reports like this.

First thank you Lynnabel for the quick correction.

Secondly I have to agree and I believe lots of players share my opinion about the randomizied set bonuses. ITS BAD!!!!
I share my thoughts and repost some from another forum post about the topic:

"I simply dont understand that revamp of S/S/S should make things easier and SSG made a Gem which is RANDOM with 117 possibilities! I can reroll another 10 years to get what I want? Just like to get a seal or a shard in the old version to upgrade an item???
It would be more fair to let players craft the necessary set combos for a prize!!!"

"I prefer crafting in DDO. Much better than a random draw. I would pay the prize of crafting. GRINDING RARE MATERIALS OR WHATEVER but place my luck on a random lottery is a no go for me. It doesn't motivate me and I will just go and find another solution in the game. I believe lots of players share my thoughts on this.

P.S.: If the 2 set bonus could be rerolled separately from each other that would be ok. 1 in 13 and 1 in
9 chance."
or
I could imagine crafting the wanted set bonus you need 1 item piece (heroic/epic/legendary) from the set bonus + Threads of Fate + other crafting material. It would be fair cause first u need an item from that set bonus and need to upgrade it to epic or legendary if u want epic or legendary set bonus and The Gem of Many Facets will substitute one of the setbonus items so we can sacrifice a set bonus item we dont need in our gearset.
Still tough to get the set bonus but not impossible and not based on random luck!!!!

[LightBear]

First thank you Lynnabel for the quick correction.

Secondly I have to agree and I believe lots of players share my opinion about the randomizied set bonuses. ITS BAD!!!!
I share my thoughts and repost some from another forum post about the topic:

"I simply dont understand that revamp of S/S/S should make things easier and SSG made a Gem which is RANDOM with 117 possibilities! I can reroll another 10 years to get what I want? Just like to get a seal or a shard in the old version to upgrade an item???
It would be more fair to let players craft the necessary set combos for a prize!!!"

"I prefer crafting in DDO. Much better than a random draw. I would pay the prize of crafting. GRINDING RARE MATERIALS OR WHATEVER but place my luck on a random lottery is a no go for me. It doesn't motivate me and I will just go and find another solution in the game. I believe lots of players share my thoughts on this.

P.S.: If the 2 set bonus could be rerolled separately from each other that would be ok. 1 in 13 and 1 in
9 chance."
or
I could imagine crafting the wanted set bonus you need 1 item piece (heroic/epic/legendary) from the set bonus + Threads of Fate + other crafting material. It would be fair cause first u need an item from that set bonus and need to upgrade it to epic or legendary if u want epic or legendary set bonus and The Gem of Many Facets will substitute one of the setbonus items so we can sacrifice a set bonus item we dont need in our gearset.
Still tough to get the set bonus but not impossible and not based on random luck!!!!

RND is great for affixes, who ever thought of that should be awarded a medal.
And yeah, with 3 affixes where each affix has 4 possibilities that would give 64 total possible combinations.

For the heroic gem I believe the number of combinations to be 28 and for the epic it to be 90.
It can take you some time to get the wanted combination.

I thought they made it that you could reopen the barter window of the epic rituals altar so you could get the right one.
Still, having to do that a 100+ times is a bit silly.

[Fivetigers33]

I thought they made it that you could reopen the barter window of the epic rituals altar so you could get the right one.
Still, having to do that a 100+ times is a bit silly.

You don't get the combo that shows in the barter window, you get a random combo. The barter window just shows you a possible combo. It cost me 6800 threads to get the current combo I wanted. Price seems a bit steep to me. Choosing the bonus you want for threads is clearly the right direction for this to go in.

[LightBear]

You don't get the combo that shows in the barter window, you get a random combo. The barter window just shows you a possible combo. It cost me 6800 threads to get the current combo I wanted. Price seems a bit steep to me. Choosing the bonus you want for threads is clearly the right direction for this to go in.

Ah, ok I see. My assumption was based on that other augment with multiple affixes and a random selection.
The one from Dryad and the demi-god, wasn't it so that one becomes fixed on what the barter window tells you the affixes are?

[Oxarhamar]

Ah, ok I see. My assumption was based on that other augment with multiple affixes and a random selection.
The one from Dryad and the demi-god, wasn't it so that one becomes fixed on what the barter window tells you the affixes are?

that one is also completely random