I really see no sense in doing White Plume Mountain ...

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Hello,

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

Its loot, even its named loot, is so sparse, so uninteresting that the Wiki page doesn't even lists it. The Wiki page exclusively lists the Legendary loot, which means that it doiesn't make ANY sense to do the Heroc version at all. So, why is it even rhere ? It just makes no sense- It should be deleted right now. Heroic White Plume Mountain is the most unneccessary quest in the whole game !

I really don't get it.

And everyone overlooks that because everyone is exclusively looking at the Legendary version. It's like the proverbial Elephant in the room : How bad heroic White Plume Mountain actually is, and that it should really be deleted. But nobody talks about that, because everyone is so much focused on the Legendary version - like anybody is focued on Legendary versions of quests anyone. No-one is interested in Heroic versions, escept when it is mid to Epic levels. It really doesn't matter to peple how bad lower level Heroic quests really are.

Alrik

[Redtalktree]

Hello,

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

Its loot, even its named loot, is so sparse, so uninteresting that the Wiki page doesn't even lists it. The Wiki page exclusively lists the Legendary loot, which means that it doiesn't make ANY sense to do the Heroc version at all. So, why is it even rhere ? It just makes no sense- It should be deleted right now. Heroic White Plume Mountain is the most unneccessary quest in the whole game !

I really don't get it.

And everyone overlooks that because everyone is exclusively looking at the Legendary version. It's like the proverbial Elephant in the room : How bad heroic White Plume Mountain actually is, and that it should really be deleted. But nobody talks about that, because everyone is so much focused on the Legendary version - like anybody is focued on Legendary versions of quests anyone. No-one is interested in Heroic versions, escept when it is mid to Epic levels. It really doesn't matter to peple how bad lower level Heroic quests really are.

Alrik

Spark of memory on legendary and easy exp on heroic

[TitusOvid]

Hello,

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

Its loot, even its named loot, is so sparse, so uninteresting that the Wiki page doesn't even lists it. The Wiki page exclusively lists the Legendary loot, which means that it doiesn't make ANY sense to do the Heroc version at all. So, why is it even rhere ? It just makes no sense- It should be deleted right now. Heroic White Plume Mountain is the most unneccessary quest in the whole game !

I really don't get it.

And everyone overlooks that because everyone is exclusively looking at the Legendary version. It's like the proverbial Elephant in the room : How bad heroic White Plume Mountain actually is, and that it should really be deleted. But nobody talks about that, because everyone is so much focused on the Legendary version - like anybody is focued on Legendary versions of quests anyone. No-one is interested in Heroic versions, escept when it is mid to Epic levels. It really doesn't matter to peple how bad lower level Heroic quests really are.

Alrik


Hi Alrik,

when did you turn into a troll?

Please have a look at the wiki page again. The heroic loot is listed and the loot is great.
You got one of the best warhammers in game. Niche but fun.
You got a great Long Bow on that level. (I have no idea if it is still great though).
The buckler has guard breaking, nice.
You got a Death Ward Clickie and the stats are not that bad for an int build either.
The beacon has great stats for an radiance caster.
The Great Sword is pretty nice even next to SoS and is easier to farm.
Precision Lenses: Manslayer on lvl 9 and extra action boost.

The XP and/or rxp is great because it is a fast quest and you can even split up if you want to.
I don't know what is fun for you but this one is fun for me.

So take a good look again.
Best of luck.

Titus.

[Tsutti]

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

It's actually pretty good and fast xp, and it's a unique quest (which usually equates to being fun imo, because it's not "same old same old" and in this case I do think it's a pretty fun quest).

[Lupito]

Heroic has good xp, plus why delete? Are you stable?

[GramercyRiff]

I wouldn't call WPM fast unless you split up. It's not long, but it's not fast either.

OP is so ridiculous that it seems like a troll.

[Nebless]

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

Its loot, even its named loot, is so sparse, so uninteresting that the Wiki page doesn't even lists it.

Not everyone is hung up on what loot you get from a quest. Some of us play for the Stories, the XP, etc.......

[rabidfox]

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

OP: 9/10 on trolling everyone who clicked this thread.

Well, it is there because it's a direct homage to the pen & paper module of the same name; and while a not a direct copy of it, it does a good job on bringing across the major parts of the source material nicely. And outside of story, all any adventure brings is loot & XP (and most quests bring one or the other better); so if content should be remove because it's lacking loot... well, that's a good chunk of the game outside of the most recent content. Even then, heroic WMP has some nice loot for the level bracket.

[superevbully]

Hello,

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

Its loot, even its named loot, is so sparse, so uninteresting that the Wiki page doesn't even lists it. The Wiki page exclusively lists the Legendary loot, which means that it doiesn't make ANY sense to do the Heroc version at all. So, why is it even rhere ? It just makes no sense- It should be deleted right now. Heroic White Plume Mountain is the most unneccessary quest in the whole game !

I really don't get it.

And everyone overlooks that because everyone is exclusively looking at the Legendary version. It's like the proverbial Elephant in the room : How bad heroic White Plume Mountain actually is, and that it should really be deleted. But nobody talks about that, because everyone is so much focused on the Legendary version - like anybody is focued on Legendary versions of quests anyone. No-one is interested in Heroic versions, escept when it is mid to Epic levels. It really doesn't matter to peple how bad lower level Heroic quests really are.

Alrik

Stab in the dark here .......but i feel like u prob failed and wiped multipule times ......why not come to fourms and ask for advice on where u are failing

[unbongwah]

Its loot, even its named loot, is so sparse, so uninteresting that the Wiki page doesn't even lists it. The Wiki page exclusively lists the Legendary loot, which means that it doiesn't make ANY sense to do the Heroc version at all.
You must not have looked very hard.

https://ddowiki.com/page/Update_39_named_items
https://ddowiki.com/page/White_Plume_Mountain

Lists both the heroic and Legendary versions.

Now whether any of it is worth farming when you can just run Ravenloft a level later, IDK, but that's a separate issue.

[thunir]

On the loot anyway, The Echo of the Blackrazor is lvl 9 and is complete surpassed in dps at lvl 10 by a free greatsword from Ravenloft at 10.

Wack

M2C

[droid327]

I wouldn't call WPM fast unless you split up. It's not long, but it's not fast either.


I usually clock in soloing it about 8 mins per run...its not really a long quest even then.

Especially in Heroic where there's little point in doing the side bosses, since there isnt Sentient XP or filigrees, so you can just rush the crests.

[droid327]

On the loot anyway, The Echo of the Blackrazor is lvl 9 and is complete surpassed in dps at lvl 10 by a free greatsword from Ravenloft at 10.


Its not, though. Its Keen, so unless you're a full-BAB build, you wont get IC:Slash till L12 or later, and thus you'd still want to use Echo at L10. Its only got half the proc damage as a Barovian, but its Untyped, so its never reduced. And 5 MP is pretty substantial in low-mid Heroic, where there arent many sources of MP.

Lower base damage is really the only major downside to Echo, 1.5[1d10]+5 = 13.25 vs 2d6+3 = 10

[Memnir]

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[Marshal_Lannes]

I disagree. WPM offers over 30K XP on reaper. It's also an amazing quest frankly that offers a wide variety of chances for party interaction that goes beyond kill the monsters. They toned down the mobs so it's not a brutal slugfest like ToEE and Slavers. I think it's a classic and the loot is almost an afterthought.

[AbyssalMage]

I wouldn't call WPM fast unless you split up. It's not long, but it's not fast either.
Actually it is decent xp if you split the party up on r1. I was in a group who did it on basically a speed run and the slowest boss fight is the Ogre Magi because the script can hang up if you beat him down too fast. As far as time, yeah, good xp :)


OP is so ridiculous that it seems like a troll.
We agree :)

[Jerevth]

Hi Alrik,

when did you turn into a troll?

Please have a look at the wiki page again. The heroic loot is listed and the loot is great.
You got one of the best warhammers in game. Niche but fun.
You got a great Long Bow on that level. (I have no idea if it is still great though).
The buckler has guard breaking, nice.
You got a Death Ward Clickie and the stats are not that bad for an int build either.
The beacon has great stats for an radiance caster.
The Great Sword is pretty nice even next to SoS and is easier to farm.
Precision Lenses: Manslayer on lvl 9 and extra action boost.

The XP and/or rxp is great because it is a fast quest and you can even split up if you want to.
I don't know what is fun for you but this one is fun for me.

So take a good look again.
Best of luck.

Titus.

Unless they fixed it quietly and said nothing, Manslayer doesn't work on the lenses. (Tested this several months ago- 20 gave nothing, then confirmed the Cannith challenge Ring of the Stalker proc'd on vorpal still.)
I built a dual wield warhammer character (Cleric of hammer) and had a blast.
Love WPM and can't wait for my HC character to get to a point where she can run it/ farm it. (I thought about Slave Lords but it's not worth the risk to make the gear.)

[darkniteyogi]

Hello,

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

Its loot, even its named loot, is so sparse, so uninteresting that the Wiki page doesn't even lists it. The Wiki page exclusively lists the Legendary loot, which means that it doiesn't make ANY sense to do the Heroc version at all. So, why is it even rhere ? It just makes no sense- It should be deleted right now. Heroic White Plume Mountain is the most unneccessary quest in the whole game !

I really don't get it.

And everyone overlooks that because everyone is exclusively looking at the Legendary version. It's like the proverbial Elephant in the room : How bad heroic White Plume Mountain actually is, and that it should really be deleted. But nobody talks about that, because everyone is so much focused on the Legendary version - like anybody is focued on Legendary versions of quests anyone. No-one is interested in Heroic versions, escept when it is mid to Epic levels. It really doesn't matter to peple how bad lower level Heroic quests really are.

Alrik

I get it. You hate epic levels, high level heroics, and reaper. You only like low level quests. And you think the players and devs don't care about low level heroics. You mention it frequently in your comments in different threads. But you missed the wiki page and the quest does have named loot. It would be stupid to have a quest with both heroic and epic versions but not have named loot for heroic version, so I understand your frustration.

A lot of the players do care a lot about heroic levels because you can't get racial completionist without having to run heroic lives from 1-20 over and over again.
I personally enjoy heroic more than epic and low level 1-10 level range. Even the last expansion pack (which i haven't played yet) is proof that the devs care about low level questing.

[Kitma]

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?



Because it's fun?

WPM is up there with Crucible as one of my favourite quests in the game. Even if you took the named loot out and cut the XP in half, I'd still be happily running it each and every life.

Sounds like a good enough reason to me!

[Cavalier]

Hello,

I really see no sense in doing Heroic White Plume Mountain. Why is it even there ?

Its loot, even its named loot, is so sparse, so uninteresting that the Wiki page doesn't even lists it. The Wiki page exclusively lists the Legendary loot, which means that it doiesn't make ANY sense to do the Heroc version at all. So, why is it even rhere ? It just makes no sense- It should be deleted right now. Heroic White Plume Mountain is the most unneccessary quest in the whole game !

I really don't get it.

And everyone overlooks that because everyone is exclusively looking at the Legendary version. It's like the proverbial Elephant in the room : How bad heroic White Plume Mountain actually is, and that it should really be deleted. But nobody talks about that, because everyone is so much focused on the Legendary version - like anybody is focued on Legendary versions of quests anyone. No-one is interested in Heroic versions, escept when it is mid to Epic levels. It really doesn't matter to peple how bad lower level Heroic quests really are.

Alrik

Yeah, and I really don't seen any reason to read anymore of your threads.

Maybe you should delete your account.....

[arminius]

One of the joys of the game in 2021 is that you can, if you wish, ignore very wide swaths of the game and only do what you want.

If the devs hadn't restricted Feywild to level 3 and up, one could easily do entire lives from 1-30 with only Feywild, Ravenloft, and Cogs/Sharn, if that is what you choose to do. Very fast, very efficient, and almost all of the best loot per level, close enough for government work, anyway. As it is, you can definitely do it from 3-30. You can always do 1-2 with saved up daily dice xp bombs, and never set foot in a single solitary part of the game that was not Feywild, Ravenloft, and Cogs/Sharn.

Or, you could play the entire game 1-30 and never set foot in Feywild, Ravenloft, Cogs/Sharn.

Unlike in the past where you had to bank levels and husband xp to your most miserly limits, there's now more than enough game to go around, so much so that one can play the entire game and never even think about huge percentages of the content.

WPM can just be part of the game you never think of. You can be entirely happy with your choice. The end.

[FuzzyDuck81]

Its not, though. Its Keen, so unless you're a full-BAB build, you wont get IC:Slash till L12 or later, and thus you'd still want to use Echo at L10. Its only got half the proc damage as a Barovian, but its Untyped, so its never reduced. And 5 MP is pretty substantial in low-mid Heroic, where there arent many sources of MP.

Lower base damage is really the only major downside to Echo, 1.5[1d10]+5 = 13.25 vs 2d6+3 = 10

It's also got 2 augment slots so that closes the gap somewhat & it's material is immune to ooze & rust monsters too. It may not be the absolute best, but it's still a very solid bit of gear.

Definite shout-out to the crabshell buckler, guardbreaking to daze stuff is always nice & being non-metallic it's fantastic for bear druids in particular with their AOE attacks.

As for some of the other criticisms, it's not just the xp for the quest that's good but it also has a load of unique enemies in there which make for good monster manual fodder (most notably mudmen, flesh golem & 4 different efreetis) to power through those lower levels & gatekeeper favour is great for rogues & arties since it helps with trap skills.