This is mockery.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Hello,

well, last Friday I saw the EPIC Voice of the Master for the very first time in the list ( I didn't do that chain before ).
And I was shocked. The Heroic one is inferior in every single aspect !!!

The Epic one has THREE augments slots ! Three !!! Really ? Really ? Really ? Really ? PLUS that additional speed bonus !

Who needs that ?

Oh, of course the end game crowd "needs" that. Of course. All the candy should go there, of course, not to any other level of playing !
The entire business model is evolving now around the end game players. Which is known as "content rot" for everything apart from that within MMOs.


So, the mere existence if this item in this form -
- and now I finally understand that thread title "Epic voice of the master is so good" (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520647-Epic-voice-of-the-master-is-so-good) from a while ago ! -
- is a mockery of low level character players.

"No low level character needs such a powerful item". Why not ?

What is it that end game characters "need" such an item ? Are they so weak ?


This is the second time I got really angry about this game.

Alrik

P.S. : Of course I didn't take it. I wasn't supposed to, since this happened within the guild's static group. And everyone was supposed to get this item, as far as I understood it.

[TekkenDevil]

There's about 700 MORE Heroic quests THAN YOU NEED to get to level 20, so I don't really know why you want Heroic VotM to be better. Play more quests?
Epic levels actually do need XP boost. Heroic leveling? Pffft. Heroic characters eat XP for breakfast.

[vryxnr]

Wait wait wait, hold up... a level 5 item is not as powerful as a level 20 item?

*surprised pikachu face*

[Nugaot]

I am absolutely convinced the Alrik is one of the most dedicated trolls in internet history. There is no other explanation for how someone could spend nearly a decade playing a game, with over 4000 posts on the forum, and be so bad at it. Not just a lack of skill but from a sheer dedication to fundamental ignorance. There’s an almost moralistic zealotry to your constant inane drivel, that you are somehow convinced that you are standing up for an unspoken cadre of players just like you, but the truth is, you’re one of a kind.

Bravo sir.

[AbyssalMage]

Hello,
Hello :)


well, last Friday I saw the EPIC Voice of the Master for the very first time in the list ( I didn't do that chain before ).
And I was shocked. The Heroic one is inferior in every single aspect !!!
Well the Heroic one is level 5. So there is that. It does have Good Luck +1 which was good back in the day as it was the earliest level you could acquire it. The only thing they could have done to "modernize" it IMO would have been to place a Yellow, Blue, OR Green augment slot on it.


The Epic one has THREE augments slots ! Three !!! Really ? Really ? Really ? Really ? PLUS that additional speed bonus !
And your point is? Personally I find it only useful for casters.


Who needs that ?
Casters :p Otherwise I prefer the Trinket out of the Borderlands @21. Maybe Epic VotM is better with a Filigree paired with a fully unlocked Sentient Gem. No clue, I don't have one.


Oh, of course the end game crowd "needs" that. Of course. All the candy should go there, of course, not to any other level of playing !
The entire business model is evolving now around the end game players. Which is known as "content rot" for everything apart from that within MMOs.
It's located in a quest that many players own. It is a level 27 chain on Epic Elite (I think, I have only ran it three times since release). "End game players" must mean those who have unlocked the Group and Raid Filigree? Kind of hard to tell here.


So, the mere existence if this item in this form -
- and now I finally understand that thread title "Epic voice of the master is so good" (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520647-Epic-voice-of-the-master-is-so-good) from a while ago ! -
- is a mockery of low level character players.
Ummm...You will see my response there. And it's above too. Good for casters but for melee I prefer the Borderlands Trinket.


"No low level character needs such a powerful item". Why not ?
Ones a level 5 trinket and the only thing people tend to use over VotM is Ioun Stones. The other is a 20+ item and I can think of plenty of things to use over Epic version.


What is it that end game characters "need" such an item ? Are they so weak ?
It's a "small bone" for everyone. Just like the Heroic version.


This is the second time I got really angry about this game.

Alrik
Oh, I get angry a lot over the decisions that the developers make about this game. Nerfing House P Heroic Loot while ignoring the S/S/S system. Not upgrading the Epic House P loot. You can find many threads where I actively disagree with the development team listening to players of questionable character whose only objective is to make the game less fun for others (because they are disgruntled themselves).

Epic VotM isn't one of them. It's nice but... Meh! I'll wait another level and use my Borderlands Trinket from 21 to 28.


P.S. : Of course I didn't take it. I wasn't supposed to, since this happened within the guild's static group. And everyone was supposed to get this item, as far as I understood it.
If you want it, it will be there on a subsequent run. Again, it was sentient food fodder for me.

[Lafshmaf]

Hello,

well, last Friday I saw the EPIC Voice of the Master for the very first time in the list ( I didn't do that chain before ).
And I was shocked. The Heroic one is inferior in every single aspect !!!

The Epic one has THREE augments slots ! Three !!! Really ? Really ? Really ? Really ? PLUS that additional speed bonus !

Who needs that ?

Oh, of course the end game crowd "needs" that. Of course. All the candy should go there, of course, not to any other level of playing !
The entire business model is evolving now around the end game players. Which is known as "content rot" for everything apart from that within MMOs.


So, the mere existence if this item in this form -
- and now I finally understand that thread title "Epic voice of the master is so good" (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520647-Epic-voice-of-the-master-is-so-good) from a while ago ! -
- is a mockery of low level character players.

"No low level character needs such a powerful item". Why not ?

What is it that end game characters "need" such an item ? Are they so weak ?


This is the second time I got really angry about this game.

Alrik

P.S. : Of course I didn't take it. I wasn't supposed to, since this happened within the guild's static group. And everyone was supposed to get this item, as far as I understood it.

you really can pack up now, OG is back and he is on fire. Your service is no longer needed here.

[Bjond]

The Epic one has THREE augments slots ! Three !!! Really ? Really ? Really ? Really ? PLUS that additional speed bonus !

Who needs that ?

Well, no one. Speed is available on so many things it's pointless on that trinket -- wasted line. Augment slots? Already have plenty for my L21 sets. Now the extra filigree IS v.nice, but I have 5 characters with L21 sets. None of them use EVOM because other things are better.

It's not exactly the "fodder" another reply called it, but it's not the huge win you're calling it, too. And, uh, L20 is not end-game. It's a more fun version of the Heroic grind. Same endless loop, but more challenge and you actually get to play your full build the entire time.

BTW, the rest of y'all should lay off the ad hominem. Dig into his post, but slamming personality or race is definitely not cool.

[TitusOvid]

Well, no one. Speed is available on so many things it's pointless on that trinket -- wasted line. Augment slots? Already have plenty for my L21 sets. Now the extra filigree IS v.nice, but I have 5 characters with L21 sets. None of them use EVOM because other things are better.

It's not exactly the "fodder" another reply called it, but it's not the huge win you're calling it, too. And, uh, L20 is not end-game. It's a more fun version of the Heroic grind. Same endless loop, but more challenge and you actually get to play your full build the entire time.

BTW, the rest of y'all should lay off the ad hominem. Dig into his post, but slamming personality or race is definitely not cool.


Nationality, actually but yes to rest.
Calm down, people.

Cheers,
Titus.

[Bunker]

Mockery is the monkey side in DQ1

[Micki]

P.S. : Of course I didn't take it. I wasn't supposed to, since this happened within the guild's static group. And everyone was supposed to get this item, as far as I understood it.

As far as I'm aware it's in the chain reward every time now since they added it. You should definitely get one. Or two. Or 10.

[LightBear]

You take that heroic voice of the master, combine it with a mantle of the world shaper to make this:

https://ddowiki.com/images/The_Master%27s_Gift.png

Slot it into one of these:
https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Book_of_Spirits
https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Bottle_of_Shadows
https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Bottle_of_Smoke

[Wizard1406]

The epic voice of the master is a nice QoL item for epics IMHO

Striding 30%, xp bonus, and then slot in the effects that you are still missing in the rest of your gear/augments, maybe deathblock and featherfalling
Then you never have to switch trinket again from 20 to 30.

For maxing ALL effects there are better trinkets, yes.

[Dragavon]

Hello,


- is a mockery of low level character players.



Hello,

OP is completely ridiculous hyperbole.

[LightBear]

Hello,

OP is completely ridiculous hyperbole.

The title says it all, its mockery.

Imho, I just pick up that epic voice to feed it to whatever sentient gem I am working on at that moment.
Oh the irony of feeding a voice to such a thing.

[SpartanKiller13]

last Friday I saw the EPIC Voice of the Master for the very first time in the list ( I didn't do that chain before ).
And I was shocked. The Heroic one is inferior in every single aspect !!!

Literally every Heroic gearpiece that has a Epic/Legendary counterpart is inferior in every single aspect to said higher-level version. Have you never played past 20 before? Legendary X is better than Heroic X, every time - and by a lot, usually.


"No low level character needs such a powerful item". Why not ?

What is it that end game characters "need" such an item ? Are they so weak ?

Tremor, the Breaker of Bones (https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Tremor,_the_Breaker_of_Bones) is a very strong maul. If I had it at level 1 I'd absolutely demolish early content - so it's for game balance that I don't have access to it at low levels. If I only had Bloodknuckle's Smasher (https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Bloodknuckles%27s_Smasher) for my whole 1-30 life I'd be hugely weaker. I'd probably be running epic Hard instead of mid-Reaper.

EVoM is no different. Using it at level 1 would be a significant power gain - there's a lot of stats balled up, and a filigree slot to boot = it'd be by far the best option for 99% of characters at level 1. At level 20+ it's alright, but no longer clearly BiS.

[Evean]

New loot is under-powered: “Booooo!”

New loot is over-powered: “Booooo!”

Did I leave anything out?

EDIT: I forgot about the one where people get bored with new loot, even before they’ve finished reading the (pre)release notes, and instead, only want whatever’s next.

[noinfo]

Hello,

well, last Friday I saw the EPIC Voice of the Master for the very first time in the list ( I didn't do that chain before ).
And I was shocked. The Heroic one is inferior in every single aspect !!!

The Epic one has THREE augments slots ! Three !!! Really ? Really ? Really ? Really ? PLUS that additional speed bonus !

Who needs that ?

Oh, of course the end game crowd "needs" that. Of course. All the candy should go there, of course, not to any other level of playing !
The entire business model is evolving now around the end game players. Which is known as "content rot" for everything apart from that within MMOs.


So, the mere existence if this item in this form -
- and now I finally understand that thread title "Epic voice of the master is so good" (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520647-Epic-voice-of-the-master-is-so-good) from a while ago ! -
- is a mockery of low level character players.

"No low level character needs such a powerful item". Why not ?

What is it that end game characters "need" such an item ? Are they so weak ?


This is the second time I got really angry about this game.

Alrik

P.S. : Of course I didn't take it. I wasn't supposed to, since this happened within the guild's static group. And everyone was supposed to get this item, as far as I understood it.
end game crowd don't use it cause at end game it chews up your minor artifact slot and there is really so much better stuff. try hanging at cap for a bit. congratz on the insight 20>5

[Annex]

The relative power of Treasure in DDO varies based on the time of introduction. Recently produced treasure items almost always outperform older ones. When introducing new treasure items, Lynnabel cannot possibly adjust all the old ones--there are probably 10,000 such items or more--so old items tend to become outdated. One miracle of DDO is that an item like the Heroic Voice of the Master remains useful some 12 years after its introduction.

The 'New Generation' of equipment began sometime around 2015 with Update 27, Trial of the Archons. The standard for a named item became 4 attributes and one Augment Slot. Update 29, The Codex War, introduced a major overhaul to Random Loot. Update 32, Against the Slave Lords, modernized Cannith Crafting. Set bonuses also became a thing with Against the Slave Lords. They existed before that point but became an expected feature right around that time. Every so often, attribute bonuses creep up in a particular bracket. This is all standard MMO stat inflation. It has more to do with selling each new Expansion and Quest Pack than catering to one type of player. In fact, as equipment power creeps up, it allows new Players to jump in at a higher power level--if they are willing to pay for the privilege. Again, that is standard MMO design practice, not anything unique to DDO. The developers of Guild Wars 2 actively work to keep power creep in check but to my knowledge, they are the exception, not the rule.

.....

Unless I want to make another Gift of the Master, I always take the Commendations of Valor since I have not yet reached a point in the game where that currency becomes useless. Note: When turning in Epic Thrall of the Necromancer and seeking Commendations of Valor, always run Return to Delara's Tomb on Epic Elite as there are no Monsters inside. Always approach Delara before selecting her. Wait to hear the, 'Quest Completed Sound', then select and speak with her. This will always award 69(?) Commendations of Valor. If you go in at a lower difficulty or select her before approaching her, you will only get 21(?) Commendations of Valor. Note: Heroic Return to Delara's Tomb (run after Thrall of the Necromancer) also awards both the Heroic Voice of the Master and the Epic Voice of the Master. If I recall correctly, Lynnabel stated this design was intentional to help Players (and it is).

The Heroic Voice of the Master is extremely useful until you can make Gift of the Master Augments. Once you can make those Augments, the actual Voice of the Master just serves as a crafting thingamabob.

The Epic Voice of the Master might be useful for some players but I prefer using a Tier 3 Upgraded Treasure Hunter's Spyglasse (Old Style) from Crystal Cove. They are both 6 enchantment items but the Spyglass has attributes I tend to want and my Avatar and Characters have Striding from other sources. Also, I tend to swap Trinkets a lot so avoid putting super important enchantments like Striding in that item slot.

[Tsutti]

well, last Friday I saw the EPIC Voice of the Master for the very first time in the list ( I didn't do that chain before ).
And I was shocked. The Heroic one is inferior in every single aspect !!!

The Epic one has THREE augments slots ! Three !!! Really ? Really ? Really ? Really ? PLUS that additional speed bonus !

"No low level character needs such a powerful item". Why not ?

What is it that end game characters "need" such an item ? Are they so weak ?


This is the second time I got really angry about this game.

Alrik

Ofc nothing about the heroic will be better than the epic. How little attention have you been paying to literally any loot in this game to be angry about this? Should have been EXTREMELY obvious without seeing the item that it would likely be better in most aspects and have new effects.

About low lvl chars "not needing that power" that isn't the point, it's that this would be WAAAAAAY too much power for a low lvl char.



New loot is under-powered: “Booooo!”

New loot is over-powered: “Booooo!”

Did I leave anything out?

EDIT: I forgot about the one where people get bored with new loot, even before they’ve finished reading the (pre)release notes, and instead, only want whatever’s next.

Yeah you left out

New loot is balanced: "Booooo!"

[Bjond]

I tend to swap Trinkets a lot so avoid putting super important enchantments like Striding in that item slot.

Sub-29, trinket is often the most important piece of gear I use and thus least swappable; it's the one slot where you can CC just about anything into it. So, it's what ends up filling in all the gaps from named gear.


this would be WAAAAAAY too much power for a low lvl char.

Oddly, I don't think it would matter. Almost all characters are absurdly OP for Heroic. You don't gain anything from over-kill; 2x dead is worth as much as 1x.

[timmy9999]

It never fails to amaze me the things people find to complain about on these forums.

[Annex]

Sub-29, trinket is often the most important piece of gear I use and thus least swappable; it's the one slot where you can CC just about anything into it. So, it's what ends up filling in all the gaps from named gear.

I am _way_ behind on Expansions so...no equipment sets. Talk to me a 18 months from now, after some Expansion sales plus time to acquire equipment, and maybe I will feel differently. :o