Regarding the new monster manual

[harmlesslarry]

Please dont make the reward mysterious remnants!

[erethizon]

And please make Reapers one of the 10 monster types covered in the Monster Manual. They are now the single most common type of creature in DDO and we need a Monster Manual entry for them.

[KoobTheProud]

I'm not sure SSG is allowed to do a Monster Manual entry for a creature type that does not exist in D&D.

The licensing hoops they have to jump through are pretty formidable at times.

[teejax]

I'm not sure SSG is allowed to do a Monster Manual entry for a creature type that does not exist in D&D.

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Reaper_(5e_Class)

[kmoustakas]

And please make Reapers one of the 10 monster types covered in the Monster Manual. They are now the single most common type of creature in DDO and we need a Monster Manual entry for them.

Yes please! Maybe even add 'codex champion' to the monster manual as an entry, giving you insight on their powers?

[HastyPudding]

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Reaper_(5e_Class)

People need to stop linking that website whenever they try to prove something. The majority of that website is Homebrew stuff, ergo not official or officially supported.

[Wizard1406]

Yes and DDO is based on 3.5e not 5e

[eightspoons]

I'm not sure it'd be fair to include reapers in a Monster Manual anyway, seeing as there are actually some players that don't run on reaper difficulty (I know; crazy!)

That'd limit any potential rewards to only certain players, and Monster Manual rewards have never been linked to difficulty as far as I'm aware.

[boredGamer]

I'm not sure SSG is allowed to do a Monster Manual entry for a creature type that does not exist in D&D.

The licensing hoops they have to jump through are pretty formidable at times.

But there is no problem putting it in the game for 4 years?

Is MM specially licensed or something?

[Burradin]

I'm not sure it'd be fair to include reapers in a Monster Manual anyway, seeing as there are actually some players that don't run on reaper difficulty (I know; crazy!)

That'd limit any potential rewards to only certain players, and Monster Manual rewards have never been linked to difficulty as far as I'm aware.

I would disagree that it limits the players that could get the reward. The players that decide not to run reaper are limiting themselves. I am pretty sure thou to lazy to verify that there are monsters that are in MM that require an expansion to get to. That is more limiting than reaper. People choose to limit themselves and that is perfectly fine. Not arguing Reaper one way or the other, just that SSG putting reaper in a MM would not be limited by SSG's adding them, but by player choice.

[droid327]

And please make Reapers one of the 10 monster types covered in the Monster Manual. They are now the single most common type of creature in DDO and we need a Monster Manual entry for them.

I remember a dev saying reapers will not get a MM precisely because they're so ubiquitous. It'd basically just be a free giveaway to anyone who runs Reaper - and a complete exclusion for anyone who does not, which isnt fair.

Plus there's never going to be the diversity of Reapers that we have in every other type. No named Reapers or special Reaper variants, etc. You couldnt build Hunter achievements, it'd just be a straight Slayer count.

[cdbd3rd]

And please make Reapers one of the 10 monster types covered in the Monster Manual. They are now the single most common type of creature in DDO and we need a Monster Manual entry for them.

As this would be yet another level of "reward" for Reaper play - a thing that was never supposed to be at all - I'd be greatly (edit: moderately) saddened by their addition to the Monster manual.

/opinion.

[erethizon]

I remember a dev saying reapers will not get a MM precisely because they're so ubiquitous. It'd basically just be a free giveaway to anyone who runs Reaper - and a complete exclusion for anyone who does not, which isnt fair.

Plus there's never going to be the diversity of Reapers that we have in every other type. No named Reapers or special Reaper variants, etc. You couldnt build Hunter achievements, it'd just be a straight Slayer count.

Well, there are 7 types, but yes, it would be very easy for people that run Reaper 7 or above to get all the types rather quickly. Not that it isn't easy to get all the types of some of the other entries if you simply target the specific quests they are in.



As this would be yet another level of "reward" for Reaper play - a thing that was never supposed to be at all - I'd be greatly saddened by their addition to the Monster manual.

/opinion.

Well, basically, when you get down to it, Monster Manuals are one of my favorite things they ever added (the only thing, other than expansions, that I am willing to buy before they go on sale), because knowing the hit points of my opponents is so valuable. I don't care about a 'reward' for slaying reapers, I care about knowing their hit points. And since people that don't run reaper never need to know their hit points, they won't be missing out if they don't complete the reaper entry. They could give the reaper entries negligible amounts of experience (like they did in the early monster manuals), and no other meaningful rewards, so that non-reaper runners don't miss out, but knowing their hit points after having killed thousands of them would be an achievement I would be willing to work toward.

[devashta]

/not signed.

Reaper trees and the corresponding HP calculation must be removed. The only reward for reaper xp must be cosmetics.

[TekkenDevil]

/not signed.

Reaper trees and the corresponding HP calculation must be removed. The only reward for reaper xp must be cosmetics.

No please. The only reward for reaper should be character buffs that are only active in reaper.

[cdbd3rd]

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Well, basically, when you get down to it, Monster Manuals are one of my favorite things they ever added (the only thing, other than expansions, that I am willing to buy before they go on sale), because knowing the hit points of my opponents is so valuable. I don't care about a 'reward' for slaying reapers, I care about knowing their hit points. And since people that don't run reaper never need to know their hit points, they won't be missing out if they don't complete the reaper entry. They could give the reaper entries negligible amounts of experience (like they did in the early monster manuals), and no other meaningful rewards, so that non-reaper runners don't miss out, but knowing their hit points after having killed thousands of them would be an achievement I would be willing to work toward.

Totally agreed that MMs are one of the better additions added to the game. (I also enjoyed the Bounties while they lasted.)

And.... I can see your point about the visible HP thing. I'd have no issue with that being a reward. I'm just not sure what else they could fill out the rest of the tiers with.

[TekkenDevil]

How about making the Monster Manual window larger so that the 3D character portraits can actually accomodate the monsters' full size?

[Aelonwy]

How about making the Monster Manual window larger so that the 3D character portraits can actually accommodate the monsters' full size?

So much this^!

It feels unpolished when you can't see the creature in the MM window.


As to new MM, these were my suggestions from last spring:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/513565-During-the-Free-to-Play-Bonanza-A-Possible-Money-maker

As to a new MM reward? Idk. There are so, so very many currency types in this game most of which have a limited appeal because their reward system gets ignored for years. I think Astral Shards are the only type still widely useful, and even that won't significantly appeal to players that have amassed thousands. Not when MM make you really work for the 40 total you can earn from them. You can get more than that from a lucky drop of a Meteroic Ruby from Haunted Halls. And let's not forget the devs are totally out-of-touch with a few categories and their goals e.g. Horned Devil, Warforged Titan, Glabrezu.

Brainstorming currencies that people might be interested in even for tiny amounts (as typical MM rewards tend to be):

Commendations of Heroism - very niche and outdated now but there might be some people that still want to upgrade one item, buy red or green dragonscale with their favor, or even purchase a few level 24 augments, I could see 3 per entry total of 30. Honestly I'd rather see CoH scrapped and those systems made more convenient but that will never happen.

Glamerdust - also niche, many players are sick of cosmetics but then many players only have one or a very few playable characters and once they're dressed and styled why need more? I happen to like changing my characters for different classes/races/just to be different but that isn't going to be everyone. On the plus side MM already give cosmetic pets so giving a currency to select a single cosmetic when all entries are completed would make sense.

Purified Eberron Dragonshards - still niche but used for crafting extra insightful effects so still useful to those that cannith craft. This would be more desirable if they increased the CC XP level, and added some new interesting high level recipes like crafting your own augments or crafting a DR/material type in the extra slot etc.

Sentient XP - less niche but not everyone has a sentient gem, could make sense, after all by the time you have slain through an entire MM entry its surprising that category isn't an endangered species and presumably you've collected some souls along the way.


Nothing else immediately comes to mind.

[NemesisAlien]

But there is no problem putting it in the game for 4 years?

Is MM specially licensed or something?

Actually its more of a hobby, they do it when they are free. (Got to show the boss you are working instead of surfing you tube.)

Having said that can update the old stuff?

Dogs

Wights

Objects

Hyenas (dogs?)

Cats

Wildman

Wheep

Armor

Eladrin

Lizardfolk

Troglodyte

Evil Eye

Eye Horror

Mimic

Taken

Will o' Wisp

Inevitable

Pretty sure there are more, just cant recall at the moment.

[droid327]

No please. The only reward for reaper should be character buffs that are only active in reaper.

Having Reaper bonuses be truly Reaper-only would be an improvement over having them spill into non-Reaper, definitely.

However, the argument against having actual gameplay bonuses at all is that Reaper is supposed to be a challenge mode...so why should it reward you for playing it by making the mode less challenging? If you want less challenge, just turn down the skulls...

[TekkenDevil]

Having Reaper bonuses be truly Reaper-only would be an improvement over having them spill into non-Reaper, definitely.

However, the argument against having actual gameplay bonuses at all is that Reaper is supposed to be a challenge mode...so why should it reward you for playing it by making the mode less challenging? If you want less challenge, just turn down the skulls...

That makes sense on the surface but then you could apply that to any difficulty in any game ever. People min/max everywhere to make the game less challenging, but then why keep playing the game?

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

The players that decide not to run reaper are limiting themselves.

This is implicitely forcing casuals to run Reaper, even if they are not capable of doing Reaper.
This is implicitely a bonus for min-maxing players, or for "the Reaper crowd". This is loike saying "if you are not able to eat nuts because of allergy, then you are limiting yourself", cynically put.

[Nugaot]

This is implicitely forcing casuals to run Reaper, even if they are not capable of doing Reaper.
This is implicitely a bonus for min-maxing players, or for "the Reaper crowd". This is loike saying "if you are not able to eat nuts because of allergy, then you are limiting yourself", cynically put.

The difference of course being that playing the same video game on a slightly different mode will not cause you to asphyxiate and die.

[Satyriasys]

My current Monster Manuals are not unlocking the monster art, what other rewards am I not receiving? I feel ripped off

[Aelonwy]

My current Monster Manuals are not unlocking the monster art, what other rewards am I not receiving? I feel ripped off

Are you speaking of the actual mob that you can rotate around or the artwork drawing for the category that comes from the actual D&D books? I didn't notice any issues with the artwork in mine but I'll go back through, however, many of the individual mob models are unable to be viewed because the camera angle is too far below or above them or zoomed in too far.

Also was this artwork you unlocked during a play session? Perhaps like many other things in DDO you must relog before it activates.

[Loholt-UK]

That'd limit any potential rewards to only certain players

No it wouldn't. If you choose not to do Reapers then you limit yourself, you are not limited. You're crying about a self-inflicted wound.

[Loholt-UK]

This is implicitely forcing casuals to run Reaper, even if they are not capable of doing Reaper.
This is implicitely a bonus for min-maxing players, or for "the Reaper crowd". This is loike saying "if you are not able to eat nuts because of allergy, then you are limiting yourself", cynically put.

Is there a prize for hyperbole? You're winning in this thread but the day is still young. Maybe try linking it to the plight of people displaced by wars for extra points.

[SirValentine]

What do I want in new Monster Manuals? The return of Account Hunter deeds. Up to Volume 2 had them, but Volumes 3-7 did not. Why did those go away? Those are the most fun for me, regardless of rewards. Slayer deeds are boring, regardless of whether Character or Account. And all your Character Hunter deed progress get wiped if you TR.


Please dont make the reward mysterious remnants!

Why not? I can always use more Remnants. There's no shortage of things to spend them on.

Stacking Remnant stat potions cost 250 Remnants per hour, if you only do your main stat (or double if you also do Con).

A set of Remnant tomes for a single character takes 175,000 Remnants.

[Oxarhamar]

What do I want in new Monster Manuals? The return of Account Hunter deeds. Up to Volume 2 had them, but Volumes 3-7 did not. Why did those go away? Those are the most fun for me, regardless of rewards. Slayer deeds are boring, regardless of whether Character or Account. And all your Character Hunter deed progress get wiped if you TR.



Why not? I can always use more Remnants. There's no shortage of things to spend them on.

Stacking Remnant stat potions cost 250 Remnants per hour, if you only do your main stat (or double if you also do Con).

A set of Remnant tomes for a single character takes 175,000 Remnants.

Reset on TR is one of the best features of MM