Greater Boon of Undeath ...

[eightspoons]

... is not working at all (I think since the last patch, but I'm not certain).

Tried three different items - Winter Court Necklace, Festering Mummy Wrappings and Black Velvet Capelet; no heals whatsoever when struck .

Anyone else noticed this?


I have to wonder if the new Emerald of Bitter Wounds augment works, or if the addition of the augment itself has something to do with the items stopping working.

[hit_fido]

... is not working at all (I think since the last patch, but I'm not certain).

Confirmed wrt Festering Mummy Wrappings.

Tried taking it off/on, have logged out/in. Seems non functional now.

[KoobTheProud]

Maybe related, maybe not.

Since the patch I have noticed that occasionally when I cast Death Aura it fails to show up promptly. In those cases when it does show up it damages me instead of healing me. It feels like there is a rare delay, particularly after zoning, that makes one effect of the spell (does negative damage) show up but that simultaneously ignores my undead status.

This has happened twice since the anniversary event kicked off.

When it happened in the event itself I thought maybe it was lag related to the many people zoning in and out of the party at the time. A bit later it happened after I zoned into White Plume Mountain. I have been watching for it now since those two events and no repeats so far.

[hit_fido]

Plain Boon of Undeath is also non functional at this time.

[Bjond]

Both Boon and Greater Boon are functioning just fine for me.

(BTW, if they're not working for you still, check to make SURE you're in a shroud)

[eightspoons]

Both Boon and Greater Boon are functioning just fine for me.

(BTW, if they're not working for you still, check to make SURE you're in a shroud)

I'm not that much of a noob :p

But it got me thinking, so I tried it without being in Lich form and did not get damaged by the Inflict Wounds effect either. So it's not working either way for me. Not sure how it works for you. That's odd.

[Tobril]

Death Ward stops these items from damaging non-undead characters.

Is it possible that Death Ward prevents the negative heal on undead? (I don't' have a way to easily test currently)

[eightspoons]

Death Ward stops these items from damaging non-undead characters.

Is it possible that Death Ward prevents the negative heal on undead? (I don't' have a way to easily test currently)

Just tested that theory, and there's no change. For one, undead are immune to Death Ward and, just to see, I even removed all sources of Deathblock, including resetting the Pale Master tree to clear the (not properly working) Deathblock from the capstone. No damage when 'living' and no healing when 'dead'. Boon of Undeath is most definitely broken.

[hit_fido]

Both Boon and Greater Boon are functioning just fine for me.

(BTW, if they're not working for you still, check to make SURE you're in a shroud)

Can you give some more details on how you tested?

My test:

- in wraith form (icon on, visual applied, definitely in wraith form)
- equipped Shroud of Abbot
- log shows void lore and lightning lore both being applied
- log does NOT mention boon of undeath (I'm not sure if it did before, I thought so but obviously can't test)
- let two hobgoblins beat on me in searing heights, hitting me for a few damage each time
- there is no inflict spell cast - there's no overhead report of +hp from inflict, no inflict line in the combat log (I'm certain the inflict cast would report in the log), my hp does not increase.

Now maybe you're using a different form, or otherwise can narrow down what is different about your test that shows it is working. I previously tested this with the heroic and legendary mummy wrappings.

Also:

- inside the zone, removing shroud and wearing it again has no effect wrt boon of undeath - it still didn't work
- inside the zone, dropping and reapplying the undead form has no effect wrt boon of undeath - it still didn't work

[Bjond]

Can you give some more details on how you tested?

Zoned into heroic for some farming, didn't put L/DA up (cuz heroic), noticed I was still getting green-lit and recalled this thread. So, checked to see if it was g.boon only or also baby boon. Swapped in heroic mummy. Still green lit. Checked spells, ranged, and melee. Healed on every single one.

I was always in Lich. Didn't check other shrouds. I don't have T4 or T5 in PM and only C4. The problem could be in the higher Tiers or Cores causing some kind of conflict. My cores are Inflict and Shock.

Heh, even worse, it could be an odd form of gear conflict or a TR effect. I only had one source of boon: mummy belt. So, I couldn't try stacking baby boon with greater. Dunno if it still does, but baby used to stack with greater and you could wear multiple sources of the same one (but only one would trigger).

[hit_fido]

Zoned into heroic for some farming, didn't put L/DA up (cuz heroic), noticed I was still getting green-lit and recalled this thread. So, checked to see if it was g.boon only or also baby boon. Swapped in heroic mummy. Still green lit. Checked spells, ranged, and melee. Healed on every single one.

I was always in Lich. Didn't check other shrouds. I don't have T4 or T5 in PM and only C4. The problem could be in the higher Tiers or Cores causing some kind of conflict. My cores are Inflict and Shock.

Heh, even worse, it could be an odd form of gear conflict or a TR effect. I only had one source of boon: mummy belt. So, I couldn't try stacking baby boon with greater. Dunno if it still does, but baby used to stack with greater and you could wear multiple sources of the same one (but only one would trigger).


What did you see in the combat/effects log - does it log that you were affected by boon when you wear/remove the items and/or does it log that inflict wounds is cast on you?

[Bjond]

What did you see in the combat/effects log - does it log that you were affected by boon when you wear/remove the items and/or does it log that inflict wounds is cast on you?

It logs that Inflict Wounds was cast on you by the thing that hit you; eg. Lizardman Warrior casts Inflict Moderate Wounds on you for 521 (and I don't recall whether it says "damage" or "healing" after the number). So, it was hard to find in the log at first.

[J1NG]

Took an interest to this thread tonight as I was looking around at gear obtained and wanted to see if I can help narrow down the potential issue that some are experiencing.

I too found that on my capped Wizard Wraith form Palemaster, I am having trouble getting Greater Boon to proc at all when damaged/hit. In fact, it wouldn't proc for me at all, much like OP and some others I imagine. So you lot aren't alone there.

1. Subsequently, I removed all gear, bar the Legendary Winter Court Necklace that granted the Greater Boon effect. Still no proc.
2. Tried resetting (nearly) all enhancements (bar the Palemaster bare minimum to get an Undead form - Wraith, then reset and tried the Lich form). Still no proc.
3. Changed Epic destiny (from Fatesinger to a Magister and then to others, including a 0xp and investment Destiny). Also no proc.
4. Tried removing Cosmetics. Also no proc.
5. Moved the Necklace over to other characters, also wouldn't proc on them either outside or inside of form.
6. Have not tried changing Feats (expensive to diagnose without Lamannia up for normal access, didn't apply for the Council job so I won't have that access to their Lamannia)
7. Tried Robe of Shadow (20, BTA) and that one doesn't function on the Palemaster, or others either.

Point 1 should eliminate any Gear Set bonus preventing it from proc'ing, including typical end game gear and immunities/resistances as well as Sentient bonus.
Point 2 should eliminate any Undead Form or later higher Tier Core ability from impacting on these items functionality.
Point 3 should remove any extrenuous immunity that may be covering a player when inside specific Destinies.
Points 1, 2 and 3, should eliminate any extrenuous "Guards" that may have been replacing or covering the Boon of Undeath trigger.
Point 4 should eliminate any Cosmetics containing any further abilities from possibly impacting on the ability from proc'ing.
Point 5 should in theory eliminate the Palemaster as the problem. But really needs more testing to confirm this.
Points 1 and 7 should eliminate any of the items themselves as the actual issue. Given some have got it working, whilst others don't have it working.

This currently leaves the remaining causes of the potential issue as:
A. The Ability itself (although this doesn't explain how Bjond is having theirs work fine)
B. The Undead Form itself (although again, testing Lich and finding it not working unlike for Bjond would suggest there's something else at fault here).
C. A Feat (Maybe..., I looked at my own Feats, and the only one that really stands out possibly Scion of Shadowfell due to its Negative Amp and Legendary Vamparism effects. What are the Scion Feats you others have? However, I will note that this is also unlikely because my other characers; although not in Undead Form, had other Scion Feats, and they did not appear to be benefiting from or be hampered by Boon.)
D. Racial (Very unlikely, but a majority of the characters I have are Iconic Races. It might be that it's simply not triggering on the Iconic races. What are the races you others are using in your tests?)
E. Class splits (Also very unlikely, as I have a mixture of pure and multi-class characters at cap, none of them appear to be hampered or benefiting from the Boon of Undead ability when equiping items with such an ability).
F. The items we are all testing with are using different versions of the Ability Boon of Undeath. Possible I guess. When did you all obtain your copies of the item with Boon on?
G. Actual Levels. Small possibility I guess, since I can't see why having an increase or decrease of levels should impact on the ability functioning or not. Although for certainty, we should ask Bjond their character level. Mine is capped (30). What about the others who have experienced issues?

A short video was recorded of this test, with Robe of Shadow and Legendary Winter Court Necklace (and only one or the other at a time too), being acosted by the rats out at Meridia (to make sure it's being hit in melee range, and not ranged, and with no other procs for extra damage; so only melee damage only, to eliminate extra damage procs preventing Boon from triggering). Can get this up if desired for validation. Other tests were done in PvP arena and Pit, and was not recorded as I had to switch around a lot and didn't want to record a lot of dead time waiting for those transitions to happen.

J1NG

[Mindos]

J1NG

Nice work! Now, like you wrote, we will have to see what the differences are between the working toon and the others...

[hit_fido]

A. The Ability itself (although this doesn't explain how Bjond is having theirs work fine)
B. The Undead Form itself (although again, testing Lich and finding it not working unlike for Bjond would suggest there's something else at fault here).
C. A Feat (Maybe..., I looked at my own Feats, and the only one that really stands out possibly Scion of Shadowfell due to its Negative Amp and Legendary Vamparism effects. What are the Scion Feats you others have? However, I will note that this is also unlikely because my other characers; although not in Undead Form, had other Scion Feats, and they did not appear to be benefiting from or be hampered by Boon.)
D. Racial (Very unlikely, but a majority of the characters I have are Iconic Races. It might be that it's simply not triggering on the Iconic races. What are the races you others are using in your tests?)
E. Class splits (Also very unlikely, as I have a mixture of pure and multi-class characters at cap, none of them appear to be hampered or benefiting from the Boon of Undead ability when equiping items with such an ability).
F. The items we are all testing with are using different versions of the Ability Boon of Undeath. Possible I guess. When did you all obtain your copies of the item with Boon on?
G. Actual Levels. Small possibility I guess, since I can't see why having an increase or decrease of levels should impact on the ability functioning or not. Although for certainty, we should ask Bjond their character level. Mine is capped (30). What about the others who have experienced issues?


Thanks.

I tried lich form too and couldn't get any boon procs. I also tried removing all gear and then trying each item alone and still couldn't get it to proc. Items tested this time were the heroic Mummy Wrapping, Black Capelet, and Shroud of Abbot. Character level 15, Dwarf but when I first replied to this thread was right before TR from a Halfling. I know these items have worked in the past. I thought about whether it could be some strange post patch issue with reincarnation like maybe I reincarnated while in a form and that's bugged the character but I believe at some point they made a change that always turns off the form at logout (the form used to persist through logout/login). All my tests were for getting hit by melee.

I also thought it might be related to the spell pass they just did. If there are multiple "copies" of spells and different versions are used for different situations and they switched something around that affected the item flag or spell version used for boon. For example isn't there an inflict sla in the cleric enhancements that explicitly does not heal yourself if in undead form?

I might have just taken it as another symptom of a 15 year old game and written it off as something that's not likely to get fixed but it's bothering me that it appears to work for some and not others. The engineer in me wants to know what the hell happened that broke it.

[Mindos]

I thought about whether it could be some strange post patch issue with reincarnation like maybe I reincarnated while in a form and that's bugged the character but I believe at some point they made a change that always turns off the form at logout (the form used to persist through logout/login).

Hmmm. Maybe everyone should take everything off, turn off all stances, reset all trees, then /death. Might reset something, who knows? Or maybe it's ship buffs, one someone doesn't have or something...

[Arch-Necromancer]

I was just thinking of how cool it is that I will now be able to wear my hard-farmed festering mummy wrappings again now that my other hard-farmed ravenloft belt is "gone". And now this just ruined my dreams...

It's just sad how buggy this update came out to be.

So many broken things that the game became practically unplayable...

[J1NG]

Well, good news is the patch tomorrow is (supposedly) to get Boon working again. So we should all test it again (if you have time) after tomorrows update to make sure it's functional again for those who have experienced problems.

J1NG

[Bjond]

Scion of Shadowfell

This, the source (item), or maybe class split and using higher tier PM things would be my guesses.

My scion is fire, iirc, which ends up both healing more and giving more DPS for my melee PM than Shadowfell. I punted shadowfell originally because during melee the green spam is so thick it breaks the DPS scroll and pushes it up into the top left corner of the screen.

The only items I tested were heroic & legendary festering mummy wraps. It could be other items are broken, or multiples sources cancel, or perhaps the style of augment in it might matter (legacy or U48).

My class split is 15 Wizard 3 Bard 2 Rogue.

'Course if it's fixed on Lamania and due to hit next patch, posting more data won't help the patch hit faster. ^~

[hit_fido]

The patch has corrected this and Boon is working again.

Thumbs up, SSG!

[Bjond]

The patch has corrected this and Boon is working again.

By chance I made a new bank mule (lich this time) and got to test this just before and just after the patch. My new lich also had the bug (no boon). After the patch, boon worked again.

What I think may have been happening was not character dependent, but perhaps mob-dependent; something like if the mob has sp, it "casts" boon when it hits you.

Current behavior: boon seems to trigger only on melee or ranged hits, but not spell hits. I didn't check traps.

I thought it once triggered on everything (seem to recall dot ticks triggering it), but not 100% sure on that. The Wisps in Into The Mists never triggered it (ran in unshielded to test it); "ouch, why's my HP dropping!?"

And, there's a bonus fix in there, too: Sinister Chill now triggers off PM's SLAs. This wasn't happening before the patch (checked for it explicitly on my bank PM over and over), but it's happening now. This is a huge improvement, but it's still buggy: cone of cold & otiluke's still don't trigger, but ice storm does.