Bah humbug... festivualt screwed me, my shadow cookies superior nihil? really really?

[Redtalktree]

good bye my 600 shadow cookies......................Is was a good run whilest it last no more incoproalilty, no more floating avoidence, am feeling sad panda.

[cdbd3rd]

good bye my 600 shadow cookies......................Is was a good run whilest it last no more incoproalilty, no more floating avoidence, am feeling sad panda.

Shadow to Nihil. Ugh. :(

Hopefully there is balance somewhere.

...and that the non-functioning ice cakes will finally do *something*.

[Zeleron]

good bye my 600 shadow cookies......................Is was a good run whilest it last no more incoproalilty, no more floating avoidence, am feeling sad panda.

You still had 600 from last year? I would've used such a small amount long ago.

[TitusOvid]

Screw this event, really. I raged against this last time. I know you are changing cookies every season but there are people that invest a lot on these **** cookies, even real money to be able to buy them with Astral Shards. We proposed last time invent new ones or don't change them retro-actively but this mechanic sucks.


Titus.

[Redtalktree]

You still had 600 from last year? I would've used such a small amount long ago.

yeah only use it for difficult quests been rationing it, wish i know, would have bing bing it last week

[Yamani]

Screw this event, really. I raged against this last time. I know you are changing cookies every season but there are people that invest a lot on these **** cookies, even real money to be able to buy them with Astral Shards. We proposed last time invent new ones or don't change them retro-actively but this mechanic sucks.


Titus.


You can blame a certain sub-set of players.

[Lanadazia]

Screw this event, really. I raged against this last time. I know you are changing cookies every season but there are people that invest a lot on these **** cookies, even real money to be able to buy them with Astral Shards. We proposed last time invent new ones or don't change them retro-actively but this mechanic sucks.


Titus.

exactly why i stopped collecting cookies. i have no clue if they'll be useful the time i need them.

if you wish to remove a cookie effect from the game, don't do it retroactively. mark existing cookies as (old) or moldy or sth. and let the jester give out the 'original' cookie with the new effect.
this way you don't screw players and can make changes. i've been gathering some specific cookies for specific situations, spent a fortune on those even, and now i stand there emptyhanded.
really not cool!
a heads up warning about what cookies are going to change, at least 3 months prior to the event would've been the way to go

[Epicstorms]

I bought about 100 of those Toven cookies, not too long ago. For quite some astral shards.

Now they are worthless, suddenly, no warning (that i'm aware of at least).

Thanks really.

Another huge disappointment.

[DerpDerply]

This is just another example of how the devs are completely out of touch with this game. It's exactly like they don't even bother to play it.

I don't even want to check my cookie jar now.

[superevbully]

[QUOTE=DerpDerply;6385791]This is just another example of how the devs are completely out of touch with this game.

Yep so tru season pass holders are left thinking the same thing

[merlinfire1]

i'm really baffled with SSG's lack of communication. this game lives or dies by the enthusiasm of a small core of dedicated fans. right now i do not have a sense that we are being heard, the changes that occur mostly seem tone-deaf, we have no roadmap, stuff is always being broken or half-baked

if ya'll want us to keep investing $100 a year for a sub and $130 a year for an expansion and $300 a year for DDO points, you need to get down here on our level. isn't there anyone over there at SSG that can see that? and cares enough to make a change?

i really love this game...i have literally offered to work on the game pro-bono (a dev with over a decade of professional development experience and almost 2 decades of IT experience) and was just told "no"

help us help you. make us happy and you'll be swimming in gold like scrooge mcduck.

[Memnir]

The annual bait-and-switch on the cookies made me just ignore the whole Jester thing for a while now. I just sell the coins on the AH, and let them be somebody else's impending problem/disappointment.

[myliftkk_v2]

Was this really unexpected given Bakeapalooza has been a regular series? Minus Paul Hollywood of course.

[Noir]

This is nothing new.
Some cookies change every year.
Imagine how we felt in 2008 when Our "Raise Dead" Irian cakes became "Searing Light"
Enjoy them while you have them is all i can say.

Thank you DEVS for the "Greater Color Spray" cake and "Protection From Elements" cookie this year.
Both of those are an improvement to what they were last year.

[Enoach]

This is nothing new.
Some cookies change every year.
Imagine how we felt in 2008 when Our "Raise Dead" Irian cakes became "Searing Light"
Enjoy them while you have them is all i can say.

Thank you DEVS for the "Greater Color Spray" cake and "Protection From Elements" cookie this year.
Both of those are an improvement to what they were last year.

Since the 2nd season, the lesson has been that they never intended for us to treat these as "to good to use" items. We have nearly a year to use them with their current effects. The lesson should be use what you have. Then next year get the new ones

[Valerianus]

they change every year and we know it.

they are a nice consumable festival bonus. a present. a little funny bonus. one year a cookie is good, not only a funny little bonus, one year is meh. as intended. be happy that they change effects instead of spoiling and you can hoard them.

[SynalonEtuul]

This is just another example of how the devs are completely out of touch with this game. It's exactly like they don't even bother to play it.

I don't even want to check my cookie jar now.


i'm really baffled with SSG's lack of communication. this game lives or dies by the enthusiasm of a small core of dedicated fans. right now i do not have a sense that we are being heard, the changes that occur mostly seem tone-deaf, we have no roadmap, stuff is always being broken or half-baked


The devs are more in-touch with the game than you seem to be. Certain players were duping the powerful cookies and therefore had access to infinite radiant forcefield + positive infusion on any build in the game. What should have been a rare but powerful consumable was ruined by a few exploiters. Blame them.

[superevbully]

The devs are more in-touch with the game than you seem to be. Certain players were duping the powerful cookies and therefore had access to infinite radiant forcefield + positive infusion on any build in the game. What should have been a rare but powerful consumable was ruined by a few exploiters. Blame them.

Hi ......I do belive this to be true and accurate ......thus asking the question Why has the duping not been corrected and or stopped ....this part baffles me

[SynalonEtuul]

I think the devs would love to fix duping exploits, if they were able to. But probably there is no feasible fix, or a fix would involve altering legacy code they'd rather not touch, or it would even involve large overhauls of inventory and storage systems for all players. So until a fix is found that avoids those issues, the only recourse is to change exploitable game elements and to ban the worst offenders.

[merlinfire1]

The devs are more in-touch with the game than you seem to be. Certain players were duping the powerful cookies and therefore had access to infinite radiant forcefield + positive infusion on any build in the game. What should have been a rare but powerful consumable was ruined by a few exploiters. Blame them.

My statement is not about cookies. It's about a lot of things. The lack of communication.

[brian14]

good bye my 600 shadow cookies......................Is was a good run whilest it last no more incoproalilty, no more floating avoidence, am feeling sad panda.
What server are you on? I will take them off your hands

[DerpDerply]

[QUOTE=DerpDerply;6385791]This is just another example of how the devs are completely out of touch with this game.

Yep so tru season pass holders are left thinking the same thing

I’m in that group too. I'm impressed how they managed to take so much value out of it once we all bought it.

[DerpDerply]

The devs are more in-touch with the game than you seem to be. Certain players were duping the powerful cookies and therefore had access to infinite radiant forcefield + positive infusion on any build in the game. What should have been a rare but powerful consumable was ruined by a few exploiters. Blame them.

Typical SSG SOP: Punish all players for the deeds of a few.

NTY, I’ll blame the people at Turbine/SSG for their blatant lack of motivation and problem solving skills.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

good bye my 600 shadow cookies......................Is was a good run whilest it last no more incoproalilty, no more floating avoidence, am feeling sad panda.

Wait a few years until the Festivult Jester ( JESTER !!! ) changes his mind ... It was said in several years that cookie values might change because he is a Jester ...

[lumpilein1973]

Yes, some of the cookies change every year.
Yes, they should be seen as a little bonus to have fun with.
And if you look at the wide variety of cookies, there are some fun ones, some useful ones, and a ton of useless ones--Taken cookies, Abishai cookies (especially the full set), and then pretty much all the dc based cookies, from Flesh to Stone to Charm monster, most of which really don't do anything past level 3.

The concern here is at least twofold:
1. SSG changed two of maybe a total of 10 cookies that are useful at endgame, and rare enough to use sparingly. In attempts to push raids, even the best builds and geared out tanks, for example, can (or rather, were able to) increase survivability through Toven and Shadow Cookies, simply because every little bit counts. These cookies hadn't changed for years, and were a staple in many tanks' "Oh ****" moment button sequence.

2. The lack of communication adds to the frustration some players feel, especially if they recently invested in the ASAH to purchase such cookies.

Just because legitimate concerns come across as 'whining' doesn't mean such concerns ought to be dismissed by whining about whining. Neither helps. Asking for better communication might.

I have checked my large cookie jar, and all other cookies that are overflowing into my toon's inventory because the jar is full. I see no other changes to cookies, or at least none of any relevance. If this was about du**d cookies, then how about changing other (previously hardly useful and therefore most likely not du**d) cookies to give the effects previously granted by Toven and Shadow cookies? Or even safer--how about introducing two new cookies that grant the effects lost? At least we could be bothered with turning our coins in if we knew of something along those lines...you know, something other than more useless Xoriat Disco ball cookies that don't even work in Waterworks on normal.

Finally, I heard through the grapevine that this wasn't even a concern that was on the radar of the devs (unlike expensive store items, understandably), but that this change was propagated by a rather vocal member of the Players Council....nerfed Sunrise Altar, anyone?

Yum
Synergia
Argo

[Noir]

*Snip* if they recently invested in the ASAH to purchase such cookies.
*Snip*


If you invest in volatile markets then you accept the risk. It is well known some of the Festivualt treats get changed nearly every year.
Perhaps builds shouldn't focus or depend upon such a volatile commodity.
Part of the the fun of Festivualt is the see what is new and changed for me and I suspect other players.

[dennisck2]

The concern here is at least twofold:
1. SSG changed two of maybe a total of 10 cookies that are useful at endgame, and rare enough to use sparingly. In attempts to push raids, even the best builds and geared out tanks, for example, can (or rather, were able to) increase survivability through Toven and Shadow Cookies, simply because every little bit counts. These cookies hadn't changed for years, and were a staple in many tanks' "Oh ****" moment button sequence.

2. The lack of communication adds to the frustration some players feel, especially if they recently invested in the ASAH to purchase such cookies.

Just because legitimate concerns come across as 'whining' doesn't mean such concerns ought to be dismissed by whining about whining. Neither helps. Asking for better communication might.



This. The last part the most.

[rayworks]

The devs are more in-touch with the game than you seem to be. Certain players were duping the powerful cookies and therefore had access to infinite radiant forcefield + positive infusion on any build in the game. What should have been a rare but powerful consumable was ruined by a few exploiters. Blame them.

Seems more like the coders are to blame letting broken items into the game. Exploiters only take advantage of poor code, not write their own.

[SirValentine]

Yes, some of the cookies change every year.
Yes, they should be seen as a little bonus to have fun with.


Exactly!



Just because legitimate concerns come across as 'whining'...


Wait, what legitimate concerns? It's like you hadn't just wrote this:



Yes, some of the cookies change every year.
Yes, they should be seen as a little bonus to have fun with.

[Lanadazia]

i'm still mad about this. i invested quite some AS in good cookies.
change them back!
and if you do not want to continue a cookie effect in the future just label the uncontinued cookie as (old) and give out new ones only.
this way we can still use the cookies we spend money and time on, while you can change the system.

not only did the toven and shadow cookies change that i was collecting, but also the lamania ones with vigor, that i appreciated alot.
i have 2 cookie mules full of useless **** now :/
if there at least was a warning about it like 3-4 months earlier (seriously, those changes are made WAY before the next event starts) we could've used the majority of them or sell them.
i feel betrayed. AGAIN.
not the first time you just change stuff RETROACTIVELY
thats the worst part of it, seriously!

[LightBear]

I'm kinda on par with marking the cookies with a year stamp.
And/or an expiration date.

The cookie jar might need some work as well.

Oh, and if peeps think this is such a must have item for high end raiding and are willing to pay shards for it.... expect a similar consumable in the store soon.

And yes, that would totally offset a few of the current cookie buyers.

[dennisck2]

Oh, and if peeps think this is such a must have item for high end raiding and are willing to pay shards for it.... expect a similar consumable in the store soon.

That wouldn't surprise me.

[QuantumFX]

This thread amuses me greatly. So many people, so much lack of historical context (https://ddowiki.com/page/Festivult_(history)).

[C-Dog]

my shadow cookies superior nihil? really really?
...
good bye my 600 shadow cookies
You should have used them, or admit you just had too many. It's well advertised that they change each year, and it's that time of year.