View Full Version : 36 Point Build The Kighter, a Half-Elf Rogue/Monkcher (Arcane Archer)
IlmerSilverhilt
11-29-2020, 03:26 AM
Hello all! This is Illmer, my wisdom based Rogue Falconer. It is a build with DPS focus first, but it has some nice, back-up, crowd control too. Wisdom based has a lot of nice synergies with the Falconry and Arcane Archer trees for Paralyze and Bird attacks and the damage is fine (Id say great even!). Its a glass canon, but played carefully its a huge asset to the party. Its built around high ranged power and crit multipliers, for those fun Hunt's End/Slaying shots!
https://i.imgur.com/rCJr7CZ.jpg
These last few updates has made me adjust the build, and I have archived the builds in this thread:
Pre U49 (https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520113-The-Kighter-a-Half-Elf-Rogue-Monkcher-(Arcane-Archer)?p=6425110&viewfull=1#post6425110) 6mnk w/10K Stars - no longer possible
Pre U50 (https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520113-The-Kighter-a-Half-Elf-Rogue-Monkcher-(Arcane-Archer)?p=6452463&viewfull=1#post6452463) Current build before Stat Squish
Pre U55 (https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520113-The-Kighter-a-Half-Elf-Rogue-Monkcher-(Arcane-Archer)?p=6572641&viewfull=1#post6572641) Current build at lvl30 Cap
My old build thread (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/465349-The-Kighter-an-Elven-Fighter-Monkcher-AA), if you want to read of the characters journey from 2015 till now.
I also have a Bardcher version buried in my thread here : https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520113-The-Kighter-a-Half-Elf-Rogue-Monkcher-(Arcane-Archer)?p=6517535&viewfull=1#post6517535
https://i.imgur.com/HRI6R6K.jpg
Pretty stars-aligned! But near impossible to stack Vulnerability on dummy. Here is a better T-Rex crit with Vulnerability and Timestop (https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520113-The-Kighter-a-Half-Elf-Rogue-Monkcher-(Arcane-Archer)?p=6575409&viewfull=1#post6575409)
Build Features:
133% Doubleshot +5% Shadow Arrows
323 Ranged Power +Boosting bows
111 Bird DC
77% Helplessness damage
23 Sneak Attack dice, 14 Bonus Imbue dice
3x9 Action Boosts (Melee/Ranged Power, Attack & Sprint)
Trapper w/Fast Movement
https://i.imgur.com/M3Pamyj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DSMFPYQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mUvgaij.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hD0lU8Q.jpg
Unbuffed stats on the ship
Stats:
08 STR
14 DEX (adjust for tomes, 19 dex by lvl15)
16 CON
12 INT
18 WIS + levels
08 CHA
Feats: (bonus)
01 Point Blank Shot, Ranger Dilletante (half elf)
02 Rapid Shot (fighter)
03 Precision, Zen Archery (monk)
06 Precise Shot
09 Manyshot
11 Improved Critical : Ranged (fighter)
12 Pastlife : Rogue
14 Improved Evasion (rogue)
15 Adept of Forms, Improved Precise Shot (fighter)
18 Master of Forms
19 Weapon Focus : Ranged (fighter)
20 Opportunist (rogue)
21 Combat Archery
22 Holy Strike
24 Overwhelming Critical
25 Crush Weakness
27 Imp Sneak Attack
28 Doubleshot
30 Watchful Eye
30 Scion of Arborea
31 Legendary Aim
Level order: R F M R R R R R R R F R F R F R F R F R
Enhancements:
https://i.imgur.com/vTxSP2r.jpg
Skills: (item/stance swap)
Disable Device 55 (132)
Jump 47 *12ranks
Open Lock 68 (102)
Search 68 (142)
Spot 91 (121)
Spellcraft 57 *11ranks
Tumble 46 *1rank
UMD 57
Epic Destinies:
https://i.imgur.com/v0PseWE.jpg
Spellpower:
Electric 589
Positive 523
DCs: (item/stance swap)
Bird 111 (113)
Paralyze 69 (84)
Reaper Trees:
https://i.imgur.com/JVyOGvh.jpg
Gear Set:
https://i.imgur.com/MR1qQe6.jpg
Weapons: Chaosbow, Deadly Rain and Through the Mist swap
Boots: Osfield's Lightning Boots
Bracers: Leg Admiral's Wristwatch
Trinket: Leg Red Raptor Feather
Neck: Leg Pendant of the Sea
Gloves: Leg Birchlore Gauntlets
Armor: Dread Stalker Dinosaur Bone Outfit
Helm: Dread Stalker Dinosaur Bone Helmet
Cloak: Dread Stalker Dinosaur Bone Cloak
Goggles: Leg Blazing Sniper's Sights (+3wis)
Belt: Leg Belt of Sure Strikes (+3wis)
Ring: Sigil of the Triumvirate (+3wis) (Fili: +10RP +5RP +5RP)
Ring: Ring of the Silver Tongue
Quiver: Epic Purifying Quiver
(Augment sets)
I also use Esoterica augment set when paralyzing, those I slotted into a spare Recruit Sigil, Onyx Ring and Attunement's Gaze
I also use Piercing Mind augment set when trapping, those I slotted into Collective Sight, Keylock Ring and Bow of the Elements(Air)
https://i.imgur.com/xvM87yJ.jpg
Thx for checking my build, I wish you lots of fun with it!
IlmerSilverhilt
11-29-2020, 03:26 AM
Why Rogue?
I wanted a class with uncanny dodge, to use "Through the Mist" filigree for the ranged power. The 15d6 sneak attack also helps!
Doesn't Manyshot and 10K Stars share cooldown?
Yes they do, but you can sorta chain them anyway. 10K, Manyshot, (10sec cooldown), 10K, (30sec cooldown), repeat. So thats 80sec with a bonus and 40sec without. During 120sec cycle I get 2/3rd uptime then, not too bad!
Whats the focus of the build? Just DPS?
I specced mostly for DPS yes, but it is also wisdom-based and can paralyze (maybe need to gear for it), and single target + AoE Blindness/Fort reduction (again gearing helps). Then I can also trap, but with just 12 starting Int this also takes gear lol
Whats the difference compared to your 10rog 6mnk 4fgt?
4 fighter got me Wpn Spec for 1atk 2dmg 4rp, you could also fit in Shot on the Run instead, if that ever gets worthwhile to take. The 13rog went for more sneak atk, up 5d6 from just more lvls and Imp sneak feat. I also got Opportunist for 10% extra Fort Bypass.
Any kind of wiggleroom in the build?
I took Pastlife feats, if you dont like those you can substitute. This build also works with Elf so you can get some pastlives with some variations of the build, the obvious Rog PL or Half Elf PL or Elf PL
IlmerSilverhilt
12-20-2020, 10:16 PM
Updated OP, I think its where I want it to be atm. Let me know if you think its missing some info!
Mindos
12-21-2020, 08:13 PM
Updated OP, I think its where I want it to be atm. Let me know if you think its missing some info!
What is up with this damage number? 3 numbers, a comma, 4!!! numbers, a comma, then 3 numbers. What number system is this?
https://i.imgur.com/vicj0Bi.png
Are you doing 172 million damage or is it 1 billion 724 million damage? I have the confusion.
IlmerSilverhilt
12-22-2020, 03:04 AM
Hehe yeah it looks a bit wierd! There is a + missing, between 339,843 (+) 5,101... Combat log has it right, for a total of 344,944 dmg. And 177,507 dmg the 5,101 is sneak attack.
But Im very happy with nearly 350k dmg :)
anticlimax
12-24-2020, 09:32 AM
Sweet damage, I wondered how far slayers can be pushed these days.
I swapped Enlightenment for Lily Petal a while back, there's defo more ki generation with that. Still sucks trying to remember to spam it constantly out of combat but it's actually possible to recharge in decent time if you find yourself ook.
Also, I find shock arrows take an age to stack vulnerability, even with liberal use of final strike. Do you use the KT bow or similar for fetters before switching to Twisted Willow?
IlmerSilverhilt
12-24-2020, 10:54 AM
Thanks Anti, nice tip about Lily Petal! Yes, I use Chaosbow to stack Fetters when I do these max crit tests, but in actual game Im too lazy to do that hehe Maybe I should get better at it :)
anticlimax
12-24-2020, 12:20 PM
Im too lazy
LOL +1, same here, that's why I haven't got Chaosbow yet.
IlmerSilverhilt
01-06-2021, 08:33 PM
I added a new video to the OP, a reaction video! You see, I submitted my build for review by the ever-so-helpfull Strimtom and I felt I had to respond to some of his points.
IlmerSilverhilt
01-13-2021, 05:05 AM
Yesterday, I tried to improve on my DC abilities: Paralyzing Arrows and Bird attacks. I farmed out an Onyx ring and upgraded it with ins wisdom and I also use ran gen +6 +3 enchant goggles. I will buy Attunements Gaze eventually, for a bit more DC, and those also double dip as Mass Frog DC. I did not switch to Mass Frog to test it yet, but Ill include the calculation.
I calculate with Attunements Gaze and being in wisdom stance. Thats 86 unbuffed wisdom for a 38 modifier. I do this to see the max possibility of the build :
PARA : 77DC : 20 + 38(mod) + 4(enhancement) + 2(profane) + 2(aug) + 11(item)
FROG : 83DC : 30 + 38(mod) + 2(profane) + 2(aug) + 11(item)
BIRD : 89DC : 10 + 30(char lvl) +35(mod) + 14(item) - Here I switch from Onyx ring to Silver Tongue, so loose some wisdom
Ive play tested a little bit and it looked promising! I havent seen a bird trip attack yet, but blind is pretty reliable and mobs paralyze pretty well in R6. Ill ofc test more here in the coming days, but Im very happy to have the CC option for trash and then switch to dps for bosses. Again it is even more swap-in items, but Ive embraced that part of the build :)
cya later
IlmerSilverhilt
01-14-2021, 09:37 AM
Noticed a nice thing about being in wisdom stance. It also has passive KI regen, and it continues to build above my KI/Concentration score... 100 more! I wonder if that could allow me to twist in something else than Enlightenment?
Hmm, ok so if I remove Enlightenment I no longer build above my "cap", which is then 96, even in wisdom stance. Also this removes the ability to regen in fire stance. Im not sure if I can live without Enlightenment, but its usually that or Dance of Flowers I twist out for stuff like Sheathe for some raids.
Moonhaven2
01-18-2021, 12:52 PM
Nice looking build, I may try it soon. Only change I think I'd make is Stay Frosty in place of Stay Good. In my ranged toons, I like sneaking in crippling, tendon slice or at least Frosty to minimize mobs ability to get me me and run out of melee range of tank.
Stay Frosty: Shiradi Ranged Stance: (Cooldown: 5 seconds) Ranged and thrown attacks and offensive spells have a 7% chance to deal [3d10/3d20] extra cold damage and slow movement speed for [5/10] seconds. This Cold damage scales with 200% Ranged Power.
IlmerSilverhilt
01-19-2021, 03:46 AM
Hey Moonhaven, thx for your comment!
Yeah you could fit in Stay Frosty, but the Bird attacks from Falconry also slows mobs, regardless of the attack lands or not. I think slow from Frosty may be better, but I dont miss it on this build. And I really like having Stay Good, so I dont have to augment my weapon. I wish you good luck with the build if you do try it out! 8)
Ilmer
IlmerSilverhilt
01-23-2021, 04:52 AM
Finished my +4con augment set today, but it will only be a placeholder until I get my other sets. When that happens, my Bard will get the con set, but it is still some ways off...
Therefore Im not gonna edit the character screen picture, but I now sit at 64con/1682HP. I also have added a pic of where my reaper tree's are at, Ive gotten up to 54 points which is sort of a sweetspot for me atm 8)
IlmerSilverhilt
02-04-2021, 03:27 AM
I finished another augment set, Esoterica +4dc! These I plan to slot into Attunements Gaze, Onyx ring and new Fey bow. This will be for paralyze mainly, but also works on Mass Frog, should you take it. I think, I like Dreamscape too much, so will probably go without frog but Id like to test it out at some point. Its probably just gonna work on Totems and the more mindless enemies :)
Saw Attunements Gaze drop the other day, but sadly not for me. Im saving up runes for Family Blessings (have 1/3) and hope I get Gaze meanwhile. I think Ill land on 83 paralyze dc, when I get it all. Im at 73dc now and thats more effective than I thought!
My Open Raid LFM!s are going great. We raid everyday and I get runes/threads in a steady pace. Im 1 THTH item away from a main set, but only at 194 runes... But stay tuned for more updates :p
IlmerSilverhilt
02-12-2021, 03:37 AM
I finished another augment set, Esoterica +4dc! These I plan to slot into Attunements Gaze, Onyx ring and new Fey bow.
Ok, so it looks like there will be no new bow 8( Then Ill slot Esoterica in a spare Recruit Sigil, but thats 3 items I need to switch, would have loved to just do 2 swaps. Im also trying out a new item setup, where I gave up on Prowess ring, so 4rp down (also switched to Dynamistic Quiver) so I can wear assassinate ring full time. Full time, except when paralyzing that is :) The Silver Tongue ring also had an extra green slot, where I put Runic Revitalization augment!
If they indeed leave out the bow, I may need Blinding Speed feat again. But a quick test showed only a 3-4 shot difference, in 1 minute, with 25% alacrity bow compared to base Speed item 15%
So maybe PL : Pally will have to go, but I liked having it.
FengXian
02-18-2021, 06:18 AM
If they indeed leave out the bow, I may need Blinding Speed feat again. But a quick test showed only a 3-4 shot difference, in 1 minute, with 25% alacrity bow compared to base Speed item 15%
So maybe PL : Pally will have to go, but I liked having it.
As you can see Bow is back in!
However, you saw a difference with alacrity 25%? How many arrows/min did you get?
I assume it's because you don't get alacrity from DWS but to me there was no diff between haste 15% and alacrity 25%.
By the way, if you have the option of max wis-based DC, I suppose you could use Greater Color Spray from Illusionist? Sure AP starved and all, but it was really good back then. Could give up a bit of falconry for that if reliable DC.
IlmerSilverhilt
02-18-2021, 11:31 AM
Hey! Yes, Im really happy about bow :)
It was a pretty quick test, circa 3-4 shot difference like you quoted. Cant remember exact number now but around the 86 shots per min mark which should be the animation cap.
Id rather improve on my Paralyze DC like Im doing now, but need caster goggles first to slot everything. Ill leave the purple slot on bow for new augment.
FengXian
02-18-2021, 06:30 PM
Yes, cap should be around 86/min, I got the same number. I suppose 10% from DWS pushes my alacrity to cap even with just haste then.
Have you been using para arrows yet, and on that note, are you using IPS? I have basically stopped after the nerf, lining up the targets has always been a pain anyway unless they're already CC'd. Maybe still worth it with reliable para arrows though.
But if you can afford to choose between the two, GCS is so much better, makes them helpless and very easy to land AoE. But DC is gonna be an issue I believe.
Another thing, are you getting you +1 competence crit range somewhere? And if not do you miss it at all?
IlmerSilverhilt
02-19-2021, 02:00 AM
Hey again, yes paralyze is sorta new to me on this build, but Im glad to have that option. And it works OK with my 73 DC (will be 83 in the end). I use IPS when paralyzing, yes, and I do have crit multi from Shadow Arrows core! edit: AHH, you say RANGE, no I dont have that and actually dont miss bc I have furyshot crit range. Ofc not every shot is fury, but I have 19-20 crits where my multipliers kick in.
Its a neat idea about color spray, but like you say, it will be a problem with AP.
barecm
02-19-2021, 11:48 AM
In terms on paralyze build, I am a wisdom build with emphasis on getting enchantment as high as I can. In reaper, I have a wisdom bonus of 50 and enchantment bonus of 37. Add the 20 to that and you get 107 paralyze arrow (I think that is how it is calculated). The other way I was told to check is to take a lvl 1 enchantment spell and add 20 to the DC. So, hold animal in reaper is 98 DC and 20 to that would 118. So, I think it is 107, but not 100% sure.
Anyway, my point is that my paralyze is pretty much no fail at that point. As long as I get a good hit, it works. It works in high skull reapers, etc, as equally well. I am not sure why at that DC it works better than what my guildies are telling me about enchantment DCs for casters, but it is what it is. I am doing a moncher split 12ranger, 6 monk, 2 cleric. 2 cleric gets one more enchantment DC point (else I would do rogue or fighter instead). Total wisdom score is I thik 102 in reaper??? Not my final build as I probably will go deep gnome for additional wisdom options and the small size benefit of shot angles with IPS.
I certainly do not have the burst dps you have, but I do see 100K when the stars align... lol. I am happy with my base damage though as it is mostly over 1k non critical hits outside of reaper...
IlmerSilverhilt
02-19-2021, 10:23 PM
107 paralyze sounds really good! I only did some quick tests in the 73dc range, and it worked surprisingly well with that dc. When I get Attunements Gaze Ill test again at 83dc, but you are right - compared to caster dc's mine shouldnt work at all, but it does :)
Do you then use Mass Frog also? Im curious if it has a use besides Baba totems :p
barecm
02-20-2021, 12:05 AM
107 paralyze sounds really good! I only did some quick tests in the 73dc range, and it worked surprisingly well with that dc. When I get Attunements Gaze Ill test again at 83dc, but you are right - compared to caster dc's mine shouldnt work at all, but it does :)
Do you then use Mass Frog also? Im curious if it has a use besides Baba totems :p
It works really well on undead and constructs; which is an issue for a paralyze build. That being said, I do not have much into transmutation focus without doing a weapon swap, so it is not great vs much beyond undead and constructs. Also, the other AA arrows also work really well too.
If you can work it in, the new magewright set from Leg LoB / MA is definitely the set for paralyze builds.
IlmerSilverhilt
02-20-2021, 12:44 AM
If you can work it in, the new magewright set from Leg LoB / MA is definitely the set for paralyze builds.
Its a nice set for sure, but Ill get almost the same with Attunements Gaze/Onyx ring augmented with +4dc and +4wisdom. Not quite the same, but almost!
barecm
02-22-2021, 07:12 AM
Its a nice set for sure, but Ill get almost the same with Attunements Gaze/Onyx ring augmented with +4dc and +4wisdom. Not quite the same, but almost!
I also use the Onyx ring, the set bonus is what you cannot get from another 2 pc set (+4 wis and +3 enchantment...and +5 concentration) and you lose 3 to enchantment DC just from attunement gaze vs leg magewright cloak. I am not saying what you are using is bad or anything. Obviously, as a dps build, you have it right. But if you are looking to do paralyze build, you will want to max it out otherwise it does not work reliably in reaper.
IlmerSilverhilt
02-23-2021, 07:16 AM
Paralyze was just an afterthought on this build, but I used it in heroics. I was very happy with my quick tests at 73dc so will test more when I get items augmented at 83dc. I was pretty satisfied, so I dont think you need to go fully max for it to be useful. And I will prob mostly use when running without a caster, but hope to get it workable :P
IlmerSilverhilt
03-08-2021, 02:14 PM
(Combat): You hit King Irgroll for 181,479 points of pierce damage.
Made a new crit with my new bow :) I also finished my wisdom augment set! Still a bit to go on the Helplessness dmg, but getting there. Ill update OP when I get it.
Zotze
03-09-2021, 03:29 PM
Hi there,
after i returned 3 weeks ago after a 5y break, i wanted to do one of my 2 main chars into an AA Archer - i played one already, but forgot many things - especially the Monk Stances.
I tried to find your stances in the Screenshot with your Bars, couldnt find it.
Can you help me what Stances you use?
Also i dont have completionist or Rouge Pastlife with that toon - what feats would you take instead ?
Iam very excited to play this build - i remember i had a great time with my AA in the good old days :D
Greetings Zangesh / Laladi
IlmerSilverhilt
03-10-2021, 12:56 AM
Hello, thx for checking my build... Im mostly in Fire stance for dps with Shock arrows, but Ive also started to use wisdom stance with paralyzing arrows. Rog PL is really good, but if you dont have access, maybe take a wpn focus:ranged instead. You can also msg me in-game, we are on same server 8)
Cya!
IlmerSilverhilt
03-13-2021, 07:42 AM
Updated OP with new max crit screenshot! I finished my Cruel Cut augments and that gave me +40k to my max crit. Its a little higher than I was expecting and some of it also comes from new bow. Still need Attunements Gaze for +4 paralyze DC, but other than that build is pretty maxed out, wow!
I also posted a vid to my youtube of that crit
IlmerSilverhilt
03-30-2021, 12:40 AM
Oh boy, lots of changes coming to archery, that will affect this build...
I was doing some tests in U49 preview1, and I was overall pretty happy. However that was with a working 10K Stars, which later got pointed out, also was a problem. Now if it just straight up gets removed with bows, then thats a double-nerf to this build :p The playstyle was centered around, being able to buff up and lay down a mean Slaying Arrow! This has led to some brainstorming, about whether or not 6 monk is needed. I could switch up the levels and go 6 fighter 1 monk and still take Master of Forms, and try to see Kensei tree instead of Arcane Archer. It has what sounds like a Slaying Arrow on steroids, A Good Death! It has some tricky mechanics to it, like mob hp requirement (30% or lower), but it could be a fantastic kill shot - and (maybe) still keep the high arrow crit burst style that I love. Now Ill loose a lot by skipping on AA, but these build ideas has me excited about preview2.
I will however ofc test it with my current build first, before testing alternate builds. But whats strange is that all the other ranged options still have the burst elements to them, with extra projectiles/doubleshot from stuff like Expertise feats, Multitude of Missiles, 10K Stars or Fusilade/NHB with any xbow? I kinda like the new manyshot-shot though, and it felt really good to couple it with 10K Stars - but apparently that wasnt intended :(
These are some thoughts between previews, more to come later
IlmerSilverhilt
04-07-2021, 02:18 PM
https://i.imgur.com/tWPCuWr.jpg
Since 10K Stars gets removed from bows, there isnt much point in going 6 monk. So I went 6 fighter 1 monk and tested the active shots from Kensei. Slaying Arrow is still the best imo, but the new doubleshot mechanic made it impossible to see each arrow (I believe the screenie is a 3 hit shot, rolled into one). Some things I notice is I only get x1 sneak attack dmg, not on every doubleshot, same with electric dmg.
Its supposed to be: 885,765base+4,374sneak+1,336elec
edit : OK the elec might be trippled
barecm
04-12-2021, 10:45 AM
https://i.imgur.com/tWPCuWr.jpg
Since 10K Stars gets removed from bows, there isnt much point in going 6 monk. So I went 6 fighter 1 monk and tested the active shots from Kensei. Slaying Arrow is still the best imo, but the new doubleshot mechanic made it impossible to see each arrow (I believe the screenie is a 3 hit shot, rolled into one). Some things I notice is I only get x1 sneak attack dmg, not on every doubleshot, same with electric dmg.
Its supposed to be: 885,765base+4,374sneak+1,336elec
edit : OK the elec might be trippled
Note, from what I saw, Shadow Arrows are not applying the +1 crit multiplier. Are you using those here? I know it applies with Heavy Draw, but that tree is not involved Did you see that the +1 from fire stance is applying?
I reported shadow arrows as a bug
IlmerSilverhilt
04-12-2021, 01:20 PM
Yes, I think Shadow arrow and fire stance worked. Shadow Arrow is competence so it shouldnt stack with Heavy Draw I think.
edit: I see in your lama thread that there is something going on with Shadow Arrows, my single arrows were lower, I just accounted it for missing buffs, could have been SA not working...
unbongwah
04-13-2021, 01:12 AM
Since 10K Stars gets removed from bows, there isnt much point in going 6 monk. So I went 6 fighter 1 monk and tested the active shots from Kensei.
How do you feel about rogue 13 / ranger 6 / monk 1? Have you got the APs to spare for Sniper Shot? 14 racial / 41 Arcane Archer / 11 DWS / 27 Falconry is "only" 93 APs after all. :rolleyes:
IlmerSilverhilt
04-13-2021, 06:39 AM
How do you feel about rogue 13 / ranger 6 / monk 1? Have you got the APs to spare for Sniper Shot? 14 racial / 41 Arcane Archer / 11 DWS / 27 Falconry is "only" 93 APs after all. :rolleyes:
I tested it on lama just for the active shots, but currently I only have 86 AP so its some ways off before I could get full benefit of that split. But I do like it!
unbongwah
04-13-2021, 04:33 PM
Only 86 APs? Are you even trying to win at DDO?! ;)
IlmerSilverhilt
04-13-2021, 11:40 PM
Only on my Bard :) I figured the new meta will be to buff up all the nerfed DPS builds!
IlmerSilverhilt
04-19-2021, 03:37 AM
Hello all! This is a recent, new take on my Arcane Archer. I decided to make a new thread, as I wasnt too happy with a rogue build in the fighter forum 8) I have kept the name for sentimental reasons and, hey, he still has one fighter level! This is a wisdom based AA Falconer, built for high crits via Hunt's End from the Shiradi epic Destiny... "Furyshots"! I have, but didnt spec for paralyzing arrows, instead I use shock arrow stance for the vulnerability. I have now tried to spec for paralyze, and I must say its functional! Its not no-fail level and wont work everywhere, but Im satisfied...
My old build thread (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/465349-The-Kighter-an-Elven-Fighter-Monkcher-AA), if you want to read of the characters journey from 2015 till now.
Build Features:
100+ KI/Concentration (5x10K Stars) + KI regen
108,06% Doubleshot (228.06% Manyshot, chance of 4 arrows) +5% Shadow Arrows
121 PRR
70 MRR Cap
50+ UMD
Trapper
https://i.imgur.com/kLT5EOM.jpg
This is pretty much stars aligned! Sadly I couldnt use Abishai cookies in public :p It doesnt show on screen but log said: (Combat): You sneak attack Training Dummy for 384,086 points of pierce damage. video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eTK5jimyvc)
https://i.imgur.com/hlHfuCA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/joOjlgD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6ELTJ1D.jpg
Unbuffed stats on the ship
Stats:
08 STR
14 DEX (adjust for tomes, 21 dex by lvl24)
16 CON
12 INT
18 WIS + levels
08 CHA
Feats:
01 Point Blank Shot, Barbarian Dilletante (half elf)
02 Rapid Shot (fighter)
03 Precise Shot, Zen Archery (monk)
05 Precision (monk)
06 Past Life : Rogue
07 Path of Harmonious Balance : Fists of Light (monk)
09 Manyshot
12 Improved Critical : Ranged
13 Ten Thousand Stars (monk)
15 Imp Precise Shot
17 Imp Evasion
18 Master of Forms
20 Opportunist
21 Overwhelming Critical
24 Combat Archery
26 Holy Strike
27 Imp Sneak Attack
28 Doubleshot
29 Dreamscape or Mass Frog
30 Past Life : Paladin or Completionist
30 Scion of Arborea or Scion of the Ethereal Plane
Level order: R F M R M R M R M R M R M R R R R R R R
Enhancements: I have 86 AP, if more spend in Harper for ranged power. If less, cut back on Falconry
https://i.imgur.com/h32Y40N.jpg
Skills: (item swap)
Concentration 101
Diplomacy 60
Disable Device 54 (106)
Heal 74
Open Lock 71 (101)
Search 64 (100)
Spot 85 (91)
Spellcraft 37
Tumble 49
UMD 48
I no longer have room for Diplomacy and Heal augments
Twists:
T4 Sense Weakness
T4 Martial Hymn
T1 A Dance of Flowers
T1 Enlightenment
T1 Cocoon
Epic Destiny:
https://i.imgur.com/ZEDcEQq.jpg
Spellpower:
Electric 459
Positive 459
DCs: (item/stance swap)
Bird 89 (91)
Paralyze 60 (84)
Mass Frog 66 (88)
Reaper Trees: 54 points is a sweetspot, and this is how I spent them.
https://i.imgur.com/E0h9SxM.jpg
Gear Set:
https://i.imgur.com/bt6ng0c.jpg
Weapons: Aerania the Boltbow, Deadly Rain and Through the Mist swap
Armor: Leg Wildwood Outfit
Goggles: Leg Tharne's Goggles (Helplessness)
Helm: Helm of the Final Watcher
Neck: Leg Family Recruit Sigil (Helplessness)
Trinket: Epic Litany of the Dead (MRR cap)
Cloak: Leg Cloak of Balance (MRR cap)
Belt: Leg Belt of the Ram (MRR cap)
Ring: Sigil of the Triumvirate (+4wis)
Gloves: Leg Wildwood Gauntlets
Boots: Leg Slavelords (sheltering, magnetism, concentration & wisdom)(+4wis)
Ring: Ring of the Silver Tongue (Helplessness)
Bracers: Wildwood Wrists (+4wis)
Quiver: Epic Dynamistic Quiver
(Augment sets)
I also use Esoterica augment set when paralyzing, those I slotted into a spare Recruit Sigil, Onyx Ring and Enchantment+6+3 goggles
Thats all Ill share for now, but Ill be back to update the thread once Ill finalize gear and such! If there is some info you are looking for you can probably find it in my old thread, else ask away!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YrzdAD6iTk&lc=Ugw7kGy0RnrfTNJ_ikt4AaABAg
Thx for reading/watching! Enjoy the build!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c_DZ3xosm4&t=6s
I submitted my build for review, this is how it went!
RIP! U49 should drop this week, Ill redo the OP with new levelsplit and the changes Ill make. Basically the build stays the same, but I will need to playtest to see where it has improved and where it hasent. Stay tuned, friends!
IlmerSilverhilt
04-24-2021, 10:41 AM
I updated OP with U49 changes. I got a new skill, Bluff. I need to redo my slavelords boots and then Ill edit skill section.
Artos_Fabril
04-24-2021, 04:40 PM
What is up with this damage number? 3 numbers, a comma, 4!!! numbers, a comma, then 3 numbers. What number system is this?
https://i.imgur.com/vicj0Bi.png
Are you doing 172 million damage or is it 1 billion 724 million damage? I have the confusion.
172,406 + 5,101 + a display bug.
339,843 + 5,101
46,014 + 5,101
I'm more curious why the second number is the same across all three shots.
IlmerSilverhilt
04-25-2021, 01:43 AM
It is the sneak attack damage, I guess it only rolled once in old system?
And if you see my new pic, the 12,438 is sneak. If we divide by 3 thats 4,146 per arrow which actually is a lower roll than the pic you linked.
anticlimax
04-25-2021, 05:17 AM
Hi Ilmer, your damage still stellar even after the adjustment to hunts end :)
I'm switching to wis based falconry/gmof in the new system and wonder how much use you're getting out of mass frog? I'm trying to decide between mass frog and elusive target (which I've found useful in the past).
I had to ER to rebuild so levelling up rn but I'm aiming to have 90+ wis.
IlmerSilverhilt
04-25-2021, 07:27 AM
Hey again Anti :)
I dont use Mass Frog, I like Dreamscape. I wanted to tes frog at some point but didnt get to it yet
anticlimax
04-25-2021, 08:09 AM
I like Dreamscape.
Haha ok not my style but I'm sure it works for you. I'll try mass frog and let u know how I get on, I'm a slacker though so I may not get it this week.
IlmerSilverhilt
04-27-2021, 08:00 AM
I would def be interested in hearing how Frog turns out for you.
So I redid my slavelords item to improve Bluff. And I removed Runic Vitalization aug (which sucked) :P, but that was to get a +12 cha fitted in. My very first mob I encountered, I rolled a 19:Failure! lol but I could get reapers with it and I hope first mob just had high saves... Ill see how useful it is I guess.
anticlimax
05-04-2021, 12:39 PM
I would def be interested in hearing how Frog turns out for you.
So I redid my slavelords item to improve Bluff. And I removed Runic Vitalization aug (which sucked) :P, but that was to get a +12 cha fitted in. My very first mob I encountered, I rolled a 19:Failure! lol but I could get reapers with it and I hope first mob just had high saves... Ill see how useful it is I guess.
I've been reading up on frog and doesn't seem like a good pick for me as it has a weird SR check that seems to make it bad for non casters. I may still try it since I can swap it out with fred but I'm not expecting fireworks.
Looked into bluff and it seems on elite difficulty you need to beat mob CR+quest level. It scales down in hard/normal but not sure if it scales up in reaper.
IlmerSilverhilt
05-04-2021, 04:13 PM
I gave up on Bluff. Diplomacy seemed to work for me, so I thought Bluff would too, but It turns out I have +10 Diplo from crackshot filigrees and another +2 from racial feat. So I redid my slavelords again and focused on Diplomacy for good Queen buffs :p Bluff would have been nicer to ensure sneaks. I also added a new vid to OP, a LH LHoX solo!
IlmerSilverhilt
05-29-2021, 12:26 PM
I didnt post or speak much about Epic Pastlife stances, but I am currently doing some eTR's for Ancient Tactics. It will help my Bird dc a little and since I no longer needed to reach 100+ concentration, I dont need Skill Mastery full time. I can still use it for traps, so hotbarred those 2 for easy switching.
I also worked on some levelling gear consisting of heroic Wallwatch, Borderlands, LGS & Slavelords items. I didnt have any first time bonus' left, so it was a little drag to get from 20 to 30. But overall the levelling was great with the new gear, and the bird attacks are really great, actually seems more reliable than in at cap reaper quests :) But I will see with 3/3 tactics stance. I also made a lvl20 Spyglass as my trap skills needed a little help in the early epic levels.
I did my last eTR for now, today, for the last Martial stance... But sadly I got hit with the TR bug and lost my tomes and race tree, so I hope GMs will help me soon. I may need to edit OP a bit with skills and bird dc, but will do at 30 when my character is fixed.
anticlimax
05-29-2021, 03:44 PM
I didnt post or speak much about Epic Pastlife stances, but I am currently doing some eTR's for Ancient Tactics. It will help my Bird dc a little and since I no longer needed to reach 100+ concentration, I dont need Skill Mastery full time. I can still use it for traps, so hotbarred those 2 for easy switching.
I also worked on some levelling gear consisting of heroic Wallwatch, Borderlands, LGS & Slavelords items. I didnt have any first time bonus' left, so it was a little drag to get from 20 to 30. But overall the levelling was great with the new gear, and the bird attacks are really great, actually seems more reliable than in at cap reaper quests :) But I will see with 3/3 tactics stance. I also made a lvl20 Spyglass as my trap skills needed a little help in the early epic levels.
I did my last eTR for now, today, for the last Martial stance... But sadly I got hit with the TR bug and lost my tomes and race tree, so I hope GMs will help me soon. I may need to edit OP a bit with skills and bird dc, but will do at 30 when my character is fixed.
That sucks you got a TR bug I hope it gets sorted m8.
Saw your Hound solo vid, nice work, reminded me of when you solo'd The Titan back in the day :)
I tried mass frog and it lasted less than a day before I had to visit Fred LOL
Since I'm a hybrid now I took Arcane Warrior instead and really like it.
I'm done with my first ETR and have +1 assassinate DC, which I agree helps with falconry... I was able to reach higher assassinate dc for shadowdancer much easier when I was dex based so all the extra +1's are a big help.
IlmerSilverhilt
05-30-2021, 01:59 AM
Thx for comment! I found a lesser heart in shared bank, that (I think), resolved the TR bug :)
IlmerSilverhilt
06-07-2021, 03:48 AM
Updated OP a bit. I decided to cut some points in Falconry in favor of Fast Movement from TA, helps with Kighting! As for skills I spent 11 pts in Listen for a more perceptive flavor, but I should have capped Jump instead :)
IlmerSilverhilt
06-09-2021, 03:37 AM
https://i.imgur.com/z0WLCFM.jpg
Max selfbuffs in reaper in wisdom stance, just because stats looked nicer!
IlmerSilverhilt
06-24-2021, 06:58 AM
Lots of stuff going on, on Lamannia atm, and Ive been on to see the proposed changes. In U50 we will get the new bow universal tree Horizon Walker, but I dont think it will make me change from wisdom based AA/Falc. I still have 86 points so in the future maybe Ill have more to play with. I will for certain dip into Kensei for the Haste boost, so I wont have much to spend in HW. That is fine, so build stays the same. Then we will also see a stat squish, but imo its OK. If they feel they need to balance thats fine with me, but ofc all the stats were down by 10ish :P mrr, prr, main stats, saves, skills and atk, dmg, fort bypass. I playtested a few R6 Slavelords Part3 chest runs, like I have been doing recently on live. And it felt totally similar, now then onto U51 and ED revamp...
...In U51 I stand to loose a significant amount of power from my Twists and some abilities that gets changed. I didnt get to playtest that preview, but Ill do so in the coming previews. Now Im a bit torn on new EDs, I prefer the freedom in old system (pick and choose twists), and having a main tree, a half tree + few points in last tree seemed a bit limiting. I looked at Dreadnought as 2nd tree for the Helplessness Mantle, now that I loose Sense Weakness. That works because I dislike the random Rainbow stuff, which is Mantle in my main Shiradi tree. But the builder/spenders seemed buggy to me and I hear thats getting replaced maybe. So Mantles could go too and its still up in the air. I had 56/59 point on that preview and I had to save a lot in Shiradi to get to T4 in LD, iirc I didnt even spend the 4 points for cocoon either so its really tight. I heard rumours they will up our points a bit, but cant find it in writing, so dont quote me on that :)
Some things Im not happy about is the removal of Stay Good (and Frosty), as that means Ill have to augment weapons again. And Stand and Deliver is also gone, I felt it was a nice help when using Archers Focus or any stance really at the handicap of standing still. Also my selfheals will be nerfed with Healing Spring becoming a Mass Vigor and Audience is no longer a full heal when things go bad. And cocoon is still a must have imo so thats 4 points and 3rd tree slot.
Enderoc
06-24-2021, 09:50 AM
I would have taken stunning fist at thirty just when you want to self heal and build up ki when you can't really or don't want to kite. I mean your wisdom is 80....thats pretty good DC there.
(Edit: nevermind you went with one monk level....no point if you don't have a light finisher maybe next time 3 levels of monk and 11 rogue)
IlmerSilverhilt
06-24-2021, 10:40 AM
The value of monk was severely reduced in U49. Yes, I stayed with 1 monk but mainly for Master of Forms
IlmerSilverhilt
08-06-2021, 09:05 AM
Hello all! This is Ilmer, my wisdom based Rogue Falconer. He is all out offense, built around a mean Slaying Arrow: "Furyshots!" He also can Paralyze OK, in a pinch, if no other CC around. U49 made me adjust the build, and this is what I came up with...
My old build thread (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/465349-The-Kighter-an-Elven-Fighter-Monkcher-AA), if you want to read of the characters journey from 2015 till now.
Build Features:
120% Doubleshot (133% w/Tenser's) +5% Shadow Arrows
280 Ranged Power (293 w/Tenser's) +Boosting bows
118 PRR
70 MRR Cap
3x6 Action Boosts (Melee/Ranged Power, Attack & Sprint)
Trapper w/Fast Movement
https://i.imgur.com/xeU8DuD.jpg
This is pretty much stars aligned! Could no longer stack vulnerability on Dummy :(
https://i.imgur.com/2CYPjx7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MUvY258.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3S8jsPn.jpg
Unbuffed stats on the ship
Stats:
08 STR
14 DEX (adjust for tomes, 19 dex by lvl15)
16 CON
12 INT
18 WIS + levels
08 CHA
Feats: (bonus)
01 Point Blank Shot, Ranger Dilletante (half elf)
02 Rapid Shot (fighter)
03 Precission, Zen Archery (monk)
06 Precise Shot
09 Manyshot
11 Improved Critical : Ranged (fighter)
12 Weapon Focus: Ranged
14 Improved Evasion (rogue)
15 Adept of Forms, Improved Precise Shot (fighter)
18 Master of Forms
19 Weapon Specialization: Ranged (fighter)
20 Opportunist (rogue)
21 Combat Archery
24 Overwhelming Critical
26 Holy Strike
27 Imp Sneak Attack
28 Doubleshot
29 Dreamscape or Mass Frog
30 Past Life : Rogue
30 Scion of Arborea or Scion of the Ethereal Plane
Level order: R F M R R R R R R R F R F R F R F R F R
Enhancements: I have 86 AP, if less, cut back on Falconry. If more get Kensei Haste boost!
https://i.imgur.com/DgI4GIZ.jpg
Skills: (item swap) I have 11 ranks in Listen, a capped Jump would be better
Diplomacy 83
Disable Device 51 (106)
Heal 69
Jump 29 (44)
Listen 77
Open Lock 68 (101)
Search 61 (100)
Spot 91 (100)
Spellcraft 34
Tumble 46
UMD 51
Twists:
T4 Sense Weakness
T4 Martial Hymn
T1 First Harmonic Chord
T1 A Dance of Flowers
T1 Cocoon
Epic Destiny:
https://i.imgur.com/m3nFsfR.jpg
Spellpower:
Electric 483
Positive 451
DCs: (item/stance swap)
Bird 92 (94)
Paralyze 60 (84)
Mass Frog 66 (88)
Reaper Trees:
https://i.imgur.com/UEjHxqq.jpg
Gear Set:
https://i.imgur.com/bt6ng0c.jpg
Weapons: Aerania the Boltbow, Deadly Rain and Through the Mist swap
Armor: Leg Wildwood Outfit
Goggles: Leg Tharne's Goggles (Helplessness)
Helm: Helm of the Final Watcher
Neck: Leg Family Recruit Sigil (Helplessness)
Trinket: Epic Litany of the Dead (MRR cap)
Cloak: Leg Cloak of Balance (MRR cap)
Belt: Leg Belt of the Ram (MRR cap)
Ring: Sigil of the Triumvirate (+4wis) [FILI: +10RP +5RP +5RP]
Gloves: Leg Wildwood Gauntlets
Boots: Leg Slavelords (sheltering, magnetism, bluff & wisdom)(+4wis)
Ring: Ring of the Silver Tongue (Helplessness)
Bracers: Wildwood Wrists (+4wis)
Quiver: Epic Dynamistic Quiver
(Augment sets)
I also use Esoterica augment set when paralyzing, those I slotted into a spare Recruit Sigil, Onyx Ring and Attunement's Gaze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-zVcad0GDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiKsNmTv1WU
Thx for reading/watching! Enjoy the build!
U50 is here with the endgame adjustments. That promts me to update the OP, but I am currently on a racial life, but I should return to the Kighter in the near future! I have also been doing test builds for an alternate version of the build. A Bardcher! With doubleshot focus, and I must say it seems pretty powerfull, maybe more damage than /1 monk - but do check back to see what Im doing :)
IlmerSilverhilt
09-19-2021, 03:15 AM
Updated OP with my numbers after stat squish. I still need a reaper tree pic (but close to a breakpoint) and maybe a max crit screenie like I usually do :) Also Im working on 10th slot in my bow, that will be another +5 rare ranged power.
Hutoth
10-30-2021, 06:35 PM
Hi Ilm
Took me a while, but finally got this to 30. Heroic leveling was tougher than expected, with Longbow still behind xbow plinkplinkers of every stripe. Bow attack speed feels so slow...
BUT later (in Epic levels) it really shines: extremely survivable (I went for Meld into Darkness over sense weakness), and with Hunt's End reliably doing 5- and 6-digit damage (with Imp Precise Shot watching multiple mobs get one-shotted on low-mid legendary reaper is a treat).
Plus, paralysing arrows + wisdom build = fun and profit.
All this despite my gear being sub-optimal - I'm working with leg shadowhail set for now (still assembling bits for leg wallwatch, so far I have... zip). Using a Morninglord bow (6 semi-random filligrees) and some other bits of Ravenloft and Sharn gear. Ranged Power just approaching 200.
But still it shines.
Nice one. 5-stars. Would level again.
IlmerSilverhilt
10-31-2021, 06:43 AM
Really appreciate the feedback, thanks!
IlmerSilverhilt
11-04-2021, 07:00 AM
Updated OP with U51 numbers. Still need a new max crit screenie, but RNG wasnt with me this morning :)
Swimms
11-04-2021, 08:59 AM
Updated OP with U51 numbers. Still need a new max crit screenie, but RNG wasnt with me this morning :)
Thanks for the update, and for the build. I TR'd into this build after completing my final past life and have been sitting at cap with it for a while now. It seems like the new update has only added power to the build from my limited testing. It may not have quite the single target burst that it did before the update but man the sustained DPS is just stellar with the short cooldown on Hunt's End.
I was curious what you were going to use for trees, I went "all in" on damage and used, Shiradi (primary), GMoF and Shadowdancer, going up to tier 3 in both SD and GMoF. You get some nice additions like extra sneak attack dice, energy drain immunity, Ddoor and double shot in both trees. If the healing ends up being an issue I may have to change things up since I do not have cocoon and I didn't take healing spring so I am not sure that would be enough anyway.
Thanks again for the build having a lot of fun with it and the damage and utility only seems to have improved with the update from the testing I have done. If you did have max destiny/fate points, would you do anything differently with your trees? The points in Primal Avatar just look so sad and lonely.
Cheers,
Neurik
IlmerSilverhilt
11-04-2021, 11:02 AM
Hey Neurik, thx for your comment!
Yeah, I still took cocoon and decided on LD for 2nd tree. It could prob just as easily have been Shadowdancer. I also ditched the Doubleshot feat in favor of Crush Weakness, so that will hurt a little, but I like Dreamscape more.
I also swapped my points from Diplomacy into Listen skill for new Pin/Otto's DC. I should have max Destiny points, but I heard some maybe are missing (had 66 on lama without the tome), so 4 short?
I may end up changing my trees, but this is what Im running atm. Didnt get to play test yet, as Im working on my bard mostly atm :)
Keep Kighting!
Swimms
11-04-2021, 01:12 PM
Ultimately I would say the build feels stronger by a noticeable amount post update for those with near max fate/destiny points. I also managed to gain about 250 HP so I am sitting at nearly 2200 HP in reaper, combined with the builds inherent defenses makes it really really nice. The 3rd core in Shadowdancer gives no fail ref saves on a 1 since we have imp evasion already, which is great. I was really worried about the loss of twists but I think it actually might be better for this build when capped with many past lives. I tend to solo a lot or run through epic sagas with friends on low reaper to help them out so it has been a while since I have run high reaper content and about the most I have done with this build is R5-7. We blitzed Sharn chain 1 on R3 last night post update and it was literally running through as fast as we could with no shrining, so I imagine it scales reasonably well at higher reaper still. About the only thing I need to tweak is self healing for low reaper and I am hoping that healing spring will be enough without having to dip into primal avatar, the epic moment in Shiradi is just stupid damage for end fights, I was nearly able to kill Irk on R3 in Just Business in about 3 seconds before he disappeared.
IlmerSilverhilt
11-04-2021, 02:33 PM
Again, thx for feedback! Its great to hear from someone like you. I also gained some HP and SP and saw an increase in bird and para DCs. Its true its costly to use a whole tree slot just for cocoon, maybe I can live without it. And I chose LD for stuff like extra Action Boosts and surge, dblshot, crit confirmation, hitpoints, 10% atk speed boosting and 15% 1W mantle, although the prism mantle is also strong. And I like having two mantles actually the prism for proc/cc and the LD one for a tad more helplessness. I actually had this layout in mind from preview1, to try and regain some of the stuff I had from twists.
Swimms
11-04-2021, 09:49 PM
not sure if it is worth it or not, but you can get Zen Archery for free in GMoF which frees up a feat to take Discipline which doubles the PRR/MRR (+10 each vs +5) bonuses in the cores of GMoF. You also get a ton of DR bypass options in GMoF as well, anyway ill report back once I do some more testing.
IlmerSilverhilt
11-06-2021, 06:55 AM
Tried to ditch cocoon and LD Mantle, to get some more Doubleshot, sneak dice and assassinate DC from Shadowdancer. Also got a 500k+ crit, but it wasnt the best 8) missed dreamscape boost and my good hope clickie isnt working
IlmerSilverhilt
11-07-2021, 02:01 AM
(Combat): You sneak attack Kor Kaza for 303,211 points of pierce damage.
Got this raiding last night! Thats actually close(ish) to my old record of 365k, from somewhere between the doubleshot changes and stat squish updates. Now, its in a raid situation so not sure about the varying buffs/debuffs... So burst is down, and I could also feel it while fishing for max crit. But it doesnt seem that bad actually from all the adjustments these past updates :) I gained some more ranged power with new EDs, but also sacrificed selfhealing via cocoon. I was using it all the time for the temp hp too, and only having /5 Healing Spring seems not enough. I know I can get 3 more if I spend the points, but will take some getting used to. I dont think the ED abilities that boosts feats are working, like watchful eye and holy strike. I seem to be missing 5% dblshot and dodge and fort bypass that Ive noticed.
Thats all for now after a few hours of raiding
*I also managed to fit Festive Con & Dex augments, so a bit up on those stats
IlmerSilverhilt
11-24-2021, 08:02 AM
Since the update I started to fail traps again :) I was never the best trapper, but it wasnt usually a problem, untill I blew a box in R1 VoD! That didnt feel good, but luckily I had some room to improve. I crafted a T3 LGS Int skills item and increased 9 search/disable just from that. I also took +6 skills in Shadowdancer (trying diff stuff), and also had the idea to begin a Trappers Delight filigree set. With all that Ill be well into the 120s - will see where I land and edit skill section
Swimms
11-28-2021, 08:34 PM
What are your thoughts on the 5 piece dreadbringer filigree set for the crazy fort bypass? I slotted it in order to test it out and my Fort Bypass went up to 136% but I did lose some RP, not sure the trade off is worth it. I also swapped out Legendary Dreadnought again for GMoF and took Lotus Blades- longbow for the free Zen Archery feat which I swapped for the Discipline feat for the extra PRR/MRR in the GMoF cores. Also grabbed 3 points in flow of water which in ocean stance gives +6 to all saving throws, 30% less helpless damage and 50% cold absorption, you can also pick up wholeness of spirit for some healing since I didn't want to waste a tree on primal avatar for cocoon. Unbuffed, out of reaper while standing on the boat my saves are Fort=89, Ref=82 and Will=87
IlmerSilverhilt
12-01-2021, 10:15 AM
Dreadbringer fili looks really cool, and if you have 2xrare RP I think you can get 25RP from that set, so you shouldnt loose much ranged power. It sounds nice with the GMoF stuff you have, nice saves! Might try it too and see how I like it, thx for suggestion :)
Carpone
12-01-2021, 10:40 AM
What are your thoughts on the 5 piece dreadbringer filigree set for the crazy fort bypass? I slotted it in order to test it out and my Fort Bypass went up to 136% but I did lose some RP, not sure the trade off is worth it.
136% with Dreadbringer is low:
025 Precision
020 Item
010 Insightful Item
005 Shiradi: Vision (core 2)
005 Guild Ship: Trapsmith’s Workshop
005 Shattered Device: Fortification Bypass
025 Artifact: Wallwatch/Tyrannical Tinkerer
020 Shiradi: Track
015 Destruction (Deconstructor)
010 Opportunist
--
150 debuffed fortification bypass
And that isn't factoring in fort bypass debuffs from other classes.
Fortification Bypass damage increase only applies if you are not fully bypassing mob fortification. Fortification Bypass has a cliff of max CR + 100%. Anything beyond that provides 0% damage increase. The baseline fortification of mobs is equal to their challenge rating (CR), which is currently capped at 70. Some types of mobs have built-in increased fortification bonus providing up to an additional +100%. This includes construct, undead, Doom Reaper, some champions, some red named bosses, and some purple bosses.
The optimal damage filigree setup for bows:
Minor Artifact (DPS):
Shadowstrike: Deception [+2 RP]
Wildhunter: Deception [+2 RP]
Shattered Device: Ranged Power [+2 RP]
Sentient Jewel (DPS):
Shadowstrike: Deception [+2 RP]
Shadowstrike: Doubleshot [+2 RP]
Shadowstrike: DEX [+2 PRR]
Shadowstrike: PRR [+2 PRR]
Wildhunter: Deception [+2 RP]
Wildhunter: Ranged Power [+2 RP]
Wildhunter: Atk/Dmg [+2 PRR]
Shattered Device: Ranged Power [+2 RP]
Shattered Device: Atk/Dmg [+2 PRR]
Shattered Device: Fortification Bypass [+2 PRR]
Also grabbed 3 points in flow of water which in ocean stance gives +6 to all saving throws, 30% less helpless damage and 50% cold absorption
You're nerfing yourself playing in ocean stance. Play in fire stance for the 19-20/x1 crit. You also net +6 hit/dmg from GMOF. Making just that change provides a 5% damage increase.
There are so many suboptimal things with this archer build:
1. It's not competitive compared to Horizon Walker, no matter how many 6-digit crit screenshots are posted.
2. You wont ever use 36 boosts. The only damage boost that matters is Haste Boost, because increasing the number of attacks far exceeds RP Boosts.
3. Ranged only cares about helpless damage during Time Stop. The only way ranged has to make mobs helpless is Pin, or Stay Frozen. Paralyze does not apply helpless damage.
4. You have no way to remove sneak attack immunity.
5. Fighter is completely unnecessary. You gain 3 relevant feats going Ranger instead, and you have Sniper Shot to address #4. Plus you net 3d6 SA dice, +8 FE dmg, and can cast Ram's Might so you aren't forever shackled to Belt of the Ram.
6. Paralyze is useful while heroic leveling, but it is completely unnecessary to solo at end-game. Once you're level 26, an LGS Salt bow provides you equivalent crowd control.
7. Watchful Eye >>>>>> Weapon Specialization.
8. Doubleshot >>>>>>> Dreamscape.
9. There's no Competence +1 Critical Threat.
10. Nimble Fingers + SD Technician instead of Weapon Focus is a 2% damage increase.
11. The gear needs an overhaul. Look at the better or best gearsets (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wt-SZ3_Vsz88rafyl2fKws4T4R0kWlr1/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106593786693264675822&rtpof=true&sd=true).
IlmerSilverhilt
12-01-2021, 11:32 AM
Thanks for your insights, Carpone and grats on your own successful build, see a few of them on Cannith.
Im pretty sure the 136% fort bypass is unbuffed and remember we also have Faconry Bird attacks for 50% more. Also Bird attacks make mobs helpless, and the paralyze is just as an option as its not maxed out. Its at the cost of dps thats true, but its nice to have in a pinch. I cant take Nimble Fingers instead of WPN Focus as thats taken with a fighter feat, and suboptimal as it may be its the right build for me :)
IlmerSilverhilt
12-12-2021, 02:48 AM
Got Reaper wings the other day! And improved on my trap skills, so much that I could skip Technician from Shadowdancer, since I cant get the sneak die anyway.
Updated some pics and skill section. Now we also have the possibility of a reaper raid helm, but I didnt have many items to crunch yet so about 10% there :)
For this years Newyears TR Ill have 90 AP, that works for a 12rog 6rng 2brd dblshot build Ive been thinking about, so I will leave this build for awhile, but the new one will be very similar. Still wis aa falc, but reaper boosted 200%+ doubleshot, for guaranteed x3 multihits chance of x4!
IlmerSilverhilt
04-10-2022, 11:52 PM
https://i.imgur.com/PH31RrU.jpg
XP panel scrolled down as I got the kill, was meant to show Reaper1 - Only in reaper can I get 220% doubleshot for x4 crits!
IlmerSilverhilt
05-22-2022, 03:28 AM
Someone asked about this build and wanted me to do a build post, so here it is: Its a build focused on high Doubleshot. 160%base + Memento reaper boost + Swash dblshot boost = 220% in reaper!
Its using my Kighter template: wisdom-based AA/Falc, with the same gear layout, just dblshot focus instead of ranged power. Id say it works really well!
https://i.imgur.com/HVeet8C.jpg
Stats:
08 STR
14 DEX (adjust for tomes, 19 dex by lvl15)
16 CON
12 INT
18 WIS + levels
08 CHA
Feats:
01 Point Blank Shot
03 Precision
06 Rogue PL
09 Pally PL
12 Imp. Crit: Ranged
15 Improved Precise Shot
18 WPN Focus: Ranged
21 Combat Archery
22 Holy Strike
24 Overwhelming Critical
25 Doubleshot
27 Watchful Eye
28 Crush Weakness
30 Imp. Sneak Attack
30 Scion of the Astral Plane
Enhancements:
https://i.imgur.com/NipMBdz.jpg
Epic Destinies:
https://i.imgur.com/XPLKdN0.jpg
Reaper Trees:
https://i.imgur.com/3hcDIaz.jpg
Gear Set:
https://i.imgur.com/D2O3QMT.jpg
Weapons: Aerania the Boltbow, Deadly Rain and Through the Mist swap
Armor: Leg Wildwood Outfit
Goggles: Leg Tharne's Goggles (Helplessness)
Helm: Helm of the Final Watcher
Neck: Leg Family Recruit Sigil (Helplessness)
Trinket: Epic Litany of the Dead (MRR cap)
Cloak: Leg Cloak of Balance (MRR cap)
Belt: Leg Belt of the Ram (MRR cap)
Ring: Sigil of the Triumvirate (+3wis) [FILI: +1%dbl +1%dbl +Armor Piercing]
Gloves: Leg Wildwood Gauntlets
Boots: Leg Slavelords (sheltering, magnetism, diplo & wisdom)(+3wis)
Ring: Ring of the Silver Tongue (Helplessness)
Bracers: Wildwood Wrists (+3wis)
Quiver: Epic Quiver of Alacrity
C-Dog
05-22-2022, 01:19 PM
...
06 Rogue PL
09 Pally PL
...
I can't remember the last time I saw a build recommend either a Rogue or Pali PL feat, much less both!
Do you feel that the (relatively small) flat mathematical addition to damage is better than, say, a small multiplier in Ranged Power such as Shot on the Run? (This adds nothing to doubleshot afaik, right?)
i.e., @ Lvl 30, a flat +10 (SA only) & a +10 boost (3x 1 minute) vs. a flat +3 RP (which multiplies all damage)?
Also, I've missed this one - what does the "feareater" augment do? :confused:
Mindos
05-22-2022, 01:21 PM
I vote we suppress Moonbow combat log effect reporting. :)
IlmerSilverhilt
05-23-2022, 03:45 AM
I can't remember the last time I saw a build recommend either a Rogue or Pali PL feat, much less both!
Do you feel that the (relatively small) flat mathematical addition to damage is better than, say, a small multiplier in Ranged Power such as Shot on the Run? (This adds nothing to doubleshot afaik, right?)
i.e., @ Lvl 30, a flat +10 (SA only) & a +10 boost (3x 1 minute) vs. a flat +3 RP (which multiplies all damage)?
Also, I've missed this one - what does the "feareater" augment do? :confused:
Feareater is a PK effect for mobs under 5k HP and it work really well, I think shot on the run is too costly with the filler feats and Rog PL I always take. Pally PL is a little more questionable, but I dont have completionist which would have been nicer :)
IlmerSilverhilt
08-25-2022, 06:43 PM
I updated first post with ED screenie. Im doing Iconic lives for class completionist atm so not on any of the posted builds :) But still bow build, at long last trying out some Horizon Walker - Its not as bad as I thought , but Im not sold either. The lvl increase gave some more ranged power but I dont have current numbers on the build sorry.
IlmerSilverhilt
11-30-2022, 04:03 AM
Ill return to the ranged power focused build for this years newyears TR! Gonna see where it lands at lvl32, and plan on a new gearset for him. Im on my last heroic class, before completionist, as an iconic. Then Ive done the iconics that gives +saves. I also nearly have enough Reaper Frags for a reaper helm upgrade, but Im torn as to whether Ill use them on my Bard for +1 ring DC.
Thats all for now, look back in the new year as Ill rewrite the original buildpost! And maybe get a new crit Highscore :)
IlmerSilverhilt
02-26-2023, 04:30 AM
https://i.imgur.com/dr86iqc.jpg
This is without Archers Focus/Vulnerability. I just dont have the patience to fish after stars-aligned crits anymore :)
Build Features:
127% Doubleshot +5% Shadow Arrows
300 Ranged Power +Boosting bows
74% Helplessness damage
111 PRR
63 MRR (80 Cap)
4x9 Action Boosts (Melee/Ranged Power, Attack, Sprint & Haste)
Trapper w/Fast Movement
https://i.imgur.com/MCp9umL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Em7paQ3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FiNfu5N.jpg
Unbuffed stats on the ship
Stats:
08 STR
14 DEX (adjust for tomes, 19 dex by lvl15)
16 CON
12 INT
18 WIS + levels
08 CHA
Feats: (bonus)
01 Point Blank Shot, Ranger Dilletante (half elf)
02 Rapid Shot (fighter)
03 Precision, Zen Archery (monk)
06 Precise Shot
09 Manyshot
11 Improved Critical : Ranged (fighter)
12 Pastlife : Rogue
14 Improved Evasion (rogue)
15 Adept of Forms, Improved Precise Shot (fighter)
18 Master of Forms
19 Weapon Focus : Ranged (fighter)
20 Opportunist (rogue)
21 Combat Archery
22 Holy Strike
24 Overwhelming Critical
25 Crush Weakness
27 Imp Sneak Attack
28 Dreamscape or Doubleshot
30 Watchful Eye or Weapon Specialization : Ranged
30 Scion of Arborea or Scion of the Ethereal Plane
31 Legendary Aim
Level order: R F M R R R R R R R F R F R F R F R F R
Enhancements: I have 89 AP, if more take Falconry to 31 and rest in Kensei maybe
https://i.imgur.com/qLGFTnl.jpg
Skills: (item swap)
Disable Device 51 (120)
Heal 63 *10ranks
Jump 40 *12ranks
Listen 82
Open Lock 65 (95)
Search 64 (130)
Spot 89 (116)
Spellcraft 36 *11ranks
Tumble 43 *1rank
UMD 45
Epic Destinies:
https://imgur.com/4DxIB6E.jpg
Spellpower:
Electric 439
Positive 447
DCs: (item/stance swap)
Bird 105 (107)
Paralyze 61 (79)
Reaper Trees:
https://i.imgur.com/3hcDIaz.jpg
Gear Set:
https://i.imgur.com/bt6ng0c.jpg
Weapons: Aerania the Boltbow, Deadly Rain and Through the Mist swap
Armor: Leg Wildwood Outfit
Goggles: Leg Tharne's Goggles (Helplessness)
Helm: Helm of the Final Watcher
Neck: Leg Family Recruit Sigil (Helplessness)
Trinket: Epic Litany of the Dead (MRR cap)
Cloak: Leg Cloak of Balance (MRR cap)
Belt: Leg Belt of the Ram (MRR cap)
Ring: Sigil of the Triumvirate (+3wis) [FILI: +10RP +5RP +5RP]
Gloves: Leg Wildwood Gauntlets
Boots: Leg Slavelords (sheltering, magnetism, diplo & wisdom)(+3wis)
Ring: Ring of the Silver Tongue (Helplessness)
Bracers: Wildwood Wrists (+3wis)
Quiver: Epic Dynamistic Quiver
(Augment sets)
I also use Esoterica augment set when paralyzing, those I slotted into a spare Recruit Sigil, Onyx Ring and Attunement's Gaze
Thx for checking my build, I wish you lots of fun with it!
I also have a Bardcher version buried in my thread here : https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/520113-The-Kighter-a-Half-Elf-Rogue-Monkcher-(Arcane-Archer)?p=6517535&viewfull=1#post6517535
IlmerSilverhilt
02-26-2023, 05:43 AM
Did an archive and a crude update to first post. This is where I sit in lvl30 gearset waiting to finalize new gear layout.
IlmerSilverhilt
03-09-2023, 06:31 PM
Updated OP, I still need some Dino gear and upgrades but I have the basics covered. I will update a few things but its mainly just spellpower and missing things like PRR, Enhanced Ghostly, Relentless Fury and missing augments and some things do not even show. My fort bypass is a little low, esp, since I lost Bird debuff but so far I did not notice it too much. Could change my wisdom aug set for Fort Bypass if needed. And I went back to Chaosbow!
IlmerSilverhilt
03-11-2023, 05:55 AM
My best crit currently! Had some help stacking Vulnerability and also a Timestop!
https://i.imgur.com/sSjVrJD.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuugL6fjSAM&t=31s
IlmerSilverhilt
03-18-2023, 07:13 PM
(Combat): You sneak attack Death's Teeth for 370,841 points of pierce damage.
My best crit in a LH raid! That is actually around where I was pre-statnerf, but I have no idea about what buffs/debuffs were used.
IlmerSilverhilt
03-25-2023, 02:34 AM
(Combat): You sneak attack Wrath of Vecna for 377,204 points of pierce damage.
Got another one! Also I respecced enhancements to try out Assassin's Trick instead of the Fast Movement. Ideally with more points I will have both!
IlmerSilverhilt
04-10-2023, 11:25 PM
I updated OP, with adjusted Skill and Spellpower sections, also took some new pictures as I finalized my gear. I changed a Rare Ranged Power fili for +2 Imbue Dice to get me to an "even" 14 :) Also I recieved a PM from a forumite, who pointed out, there is a bug with the 19-20 Multipliers. It should be:
x3 Longbow
Shadow Arrows
Combat Archery
x5 All Crits
Monk Fire stance
Overwhelming Crit
Shiradi Lore of the Hunt
Elasticity
x9 19-20
...but, I get an extra multiplier on 19-20s, so that should be a bug. I managed to get screenie to show the expected Crit Multi Bonus of 4, but my DPS pictures may have been done with another multiplier
IlmerSilverhilt
04-27-2023, 04:46 AM
High burst arrows are fun, but what about sustained boss dps?
I asked myself this question recently and started to think about what I could do with a 6 Ranger/DH split. I reallly wanted to keep the high Slaying Arrows, but fit in Snipershot for a nastier rotation! So I chose the more popular 13rog 6rng 1mnk split with AP as follows: 14helf 41aa 25falc 11dws. I settled on Dark Hunter Archetype for the ranger levels to increase Sneak Atk. I dont find the Fav Enemies I get that useful, but I did take Aberration for Vecna Hand current bossfights... So, I took the AP from Assassin tree which made me loose 1 Sneak dice and 3 imbues. But from DH and DWS I get 5d6 sneaks and I changed yet another fili from RP to the Event +1 Imbue. I will also respec the Imp elemental arrows or what its called (I used for added Vuln procs) to +2 Imbue, so I should land on 27sneak 14imbue and 316rp unbuffed compared to the build in OP, so very similar! I also lost Wpn Focus:Ranged, but got other feats granted instead of taking with fighter feats, but total feats down 1. But then, with DWS I also got 30% RP boost and it does not interfere with my racial 20% boost, so I have both!
The rotation I thought about goes as follows: Snipershot, SLAYING, manyshot, SNIPERSHOT, manyshot, SNIPERSHOT, manyshot repeat! (Capitals are HUNTS END every 8 seconds), and manyshots will probably run out, but recharge some again. Sprinkle in some normal shots or Ottos/Final Strike and keep RP Boosts up for some serious sustained boss dps!
I am currently lvl12 on this build, lemme know what you think?
Aaxeyu
04-27-2023, 05:06 AM
High burst arrows are fun, but what about sustained boss dps?
I asked myself this question recently and started to think about what I could do with a 6 Ranger/DH split. I reallly wanted to keep the high Slaying Arrows, but fit in Snipershot for a nastier rotation! So I chose the more popular 13rog 6rng 1mnk split with AP as follows: 14helf 41aa 25falc 11dws. I settled on Dark Hunter Archetype for the ranger levels to increase Sneak Atk. I dont find the Fav Enemies I get that useful, but I did take Aberration for Vecna Hand current bossfights... So, I took the AP from Assassin tree which made me loose 1 Sneak dice and 3 imbues. But from DH and DWS I get 5d6 sneaks and I changed yet another fili from RP to the Event +1 Imbue. I will also respec the Imp elemental arrows or what its called (I used for added Vuln procs) to +2 Imbue, so I should land on 27sneak 14imbue and 316rp unbuffed compared to the build in OP, so very similar! I also lost Wpn Focus:Ranged, but got other feats granted instead of taking with fighter feats, but total feats down 1. But then, with DWS I also got 30% RP boost and it does not interfere with my racial 20% boost, so I have both!
The rotation I thought about goes as follows: Snipershot, SLAYING, manyshot, SNIPERSHOT, manyshot, SNIPERSHOT, manyshot repeat! (Capitals are HUNTS END every 8 seconds), and manyshots will probably run out, but recharge some again. Sprinkle in some normal shots or Ottos/Final Strike and keep RP Boosts up for some serious sustained boss dps!
I am currently lvl12 on this build, lemme know what you think?
Having recently returned to the game, I'm keen to play a DH, so this kind of split is interesting to me. Do you have any screenshots of enhancements you took?
IlmerSilverhilt
04-27-2023, 05:19 AM
https://i.imgur.com/PN0QLZZ.jpg
Its basically just the same as in first post, minus the rogue trees and with DWS instead. I also can take the fort debuff from Bird atks in Falconry, but it takes 91 Action Points with my setup here.
I dont take the DH tree, I just use the class to get access to DWS and for added base sneak/fav enemies and such. You also would not get DH past life with just 6 lvls, if that is a goal
Aaxeyu
04-27-2023, 09:44 AM
https://i.imgur.com/PN0QLZZ.jpg
Its basically just the same as in first post, minus the rogue trees and with DWS instead. I also can take the fort debuff from Bird atks in Falconry, but it takes 91 Action Points with my setup here.
I dont take the DH tree, I just use the class to get access to DWS and for added base sneak/fav enemies and such. You also would not get DH past life with just 6 lvls, if that is a goal
Would you keep the same path for leveling, but replace fighter with Ranger?
Rogue Ranger/DH Monk Rogue Rogue Rogue Rogue Rogue Rogue Rogue Ranger/DH Rogue Ranger/DH Rogue Ranger/DH Rogue Ranger/DH Rogue Ranger/DH Rogue
IlmerSilverhilt
04-27-2023, 09:51 AM
I did 1 rogue 6 darkhunter 2 rogue 1 monk rest rogue. To get manyshot and snipershot early
1 Point Blank, Ranger dille
3 Precission
6 Rogue PL
9 Imp Crit Ranged
12 Adept of forms
15 Imp Precise
18 Master of forms
I held off, on the monk until I got Imp crit due to BaB reasons
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