is divine crusader broken?

[Hobgoblin]

I am using the divine crusader epic destiny as a fvs inq. I never get the heal on kill from no remorse - the 4th core. is it only melee? and if so why doesnt it say it?


Is there a workaround for this?

[goldgolem]

I have no idea specifically, but from the wiki


No Remorse: Whenever an enemy who was recently affected by your Aura of Purification is slain, nearby allies are healed for Positive Energ

Aura of Purification: Active Ability: (Cooldown 3 seconds) Toggle: Every 3 Seconds While Active: Nearby enemies gain a stack of Purification.


1 So maybe it doesnt heal you? It just heals allies?
2 Or maybe if you are killing from range it means the mobs havent had a chance to be affected by your Aura of purification

[J1NG]

I think you answered your own question there.

The Core 4 healing happens around the target killed that had been affected by Purification. Since you're ranged, even when you proc some Purification stacks via ranged criticals, you're nowhere near the target to receive the heal effect.

I doubt it'll get changed, because it works normally as it is already. The only workaround I'd imagine, is to let the enemies get closer so you can get the heal when they die.

J1NG

[Hobgoblin]

I think you answered your own question there.

The Core 4 healing happens around the target killed that had been affected by Purification. Since you're ranged, even when you proc some Purification stacks via ranged criticals, you're nowhere near the target to receive the heal effect.

I doubt it'll get changed, because it works normally as it is already. The only workaround I'd imagine, is to let the enemies get closer so you can get the heal when they die.

J1NG

in testing - i can be standing right next to the mob and kill it and receive no heals - but if the barb comes up and smacks it i get the heal.

so i guess i know the answer, but I am asking if it wai, or a recent change

hob

[J1NG]

in testing - i can be standing right next to the mob and kill it and receive no heals - but if the barb comes up and smacks it i get the heal.

so i guess i know the answer, but I am asking if it wai, or a recent change

hob

I don't think there's any real way to know to be honest. Because prior to Inquisitive, virtually no one would range (lack of dps) AND be in a non ranged Destiny like Divine Crusader. Except for possibly whilst in a Mark of Death run. And that would have been too hectic to really notice.

Personally, it sounds like from what you've said, that there might be wiggle room to have a Dev it changed so a ranged hit works as well, but I also happen to know that Inquisitive Core 4 (True Seeing) acts funny with other buff effects, and that might be the cause of some of your problems also. I can go and get a test of that done up, but it sounds like you might be able to get that tested before I do. Remove the Core 4 from Inquisitive and then try again. But back to the point, it may or may not be changed, and that'll depend likely on how persuasive you are in any arguments presented to make such a change.

Back in a bit if you haven't done the test in a moment.

:: edit ::

OK, so it looks like it isn't to do with the Inquisitive Core 4 issue, so it's definitely been coded to deal with melee. So, if you can get a convincing argument for the change, I don't see why it can't be made to work, although the likelihood is it will be as I described, healing around the target rather than around yourself.

J1NG

[Hobgoblin]

thanks jing.....



Ok devs can we get this cleared up? can we get the heal on kill for ranged?

Thanks for looking!

Hob

[RanokAlseen]

Speaking from opinion. Or at least reading the texts. It doesn’t say “ranged” damage. Maybe melee is the only damage that affects purification.

My FVS runs as a DC and gets healed just fine.

[Carpone]

Speaking from opinion. Or at least reading the texts. It doesn’t say “ranged” damage. Maybe melee is the only damage that affects purification.
Purification can be applied by ranged using Purge the Wicked.

I have doubts Purge the Wicked is working at all. While stacks apply to a target, I'm not observing the -1 attack damage per stack.

[J1NG]

Some testing done earlier to help narrow down causes:

Inquisitive Dual Crossbows: No trigger
Inquisitive + Melee: Trigger
Throwing Dagger: No trigger
Caster (Wail of Banshee): No trigger
Caster (Finger of Death): Trigger
Caster (Tentacles): No trigger

:: edit ::
Caster (Frog): Trigger
Caster (Eldritch Blast - Standard): No trigger
Caster (Eldritch Blast - Aura): No trigger
Caster (Arcane Pulse): Trigger
:: /edit ::

:: edit ::
Caster (Necrotic Blast): No trigger
Caster (Necrotic Bolt): No trigger
Fan of Shadowblades: Trigger
Caster (Rend the Soul): Trigger
Caster (Cone of Cold): Trigger
Destiny (Tsunami): Trigger
Caster (Meteor Swarm): No trigger
:: /edit ::

So looking at that, I would say it's probably related to the fact that a non "origin:self" source on a kill is the problem (same as with clouds I imagine, not tested). With ranged weapons just being projectiles that deal damage but no info really who the owner was and so it won't trigger a proc back (just like with guards, you don't trigger a response with ranged). This is probably why the Birds in Falconry are the way they are too I imagine. Whilst certain spells have an origin source (like Finger, but not Wail).

In which case, it "might" be a hard issue and not something that can be worked over. :-/

:: edit ::
It looks like from testing so far, that all effects that rely on an environmental effect or a use of an external "projectile", whether spell or ranged, is what's causing the issue; it doesn't track back that it should trigger a localised healing effect. Again, I am unsure if this is solvable, so we really need a Dev in here. But it seems related to the use of actual projectiles that's the cause of the problem of it not triggering.

J1NG

[Hobgoblin]

bump since its now the middle of the week and devs are reponding to some threads.....