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streetlight
09-10-2020, 04:56 PM
Hi everyone,

Recently back in the game and am wayy behind on my knowledge of classes, universal trees, the DCs currently in the game, etc.

To start off, this is what I am working with: 34pt Dwarf with 1 halfling past life and 1 arcane past life (enhance weapon). +8 supreme tome. I have all the universal trees unlocked. I plan on leveling on R1 with others and sometimes solo. I'll also be going into Epics (EE or R1).

Reason Dwarf is a requirement is because I recently TRed thinking I would enjoy a THF KOTC Paladin, but I just do not. I hate not having skill points and I hate being in heavy armor. I chose Dwarf for the +1 Con eventually... I have a +5 Lesser Reincarnate available and am level 5.. so I'm ditching the Paladin.

I'd like to play something that has evasion, can do traps (I like the idea of chasing traps for xp bonuses), has a good defense, and can kill things quickly. Melee or ranged, but I'm not a very good spellcaster. I tend to be a very mobile person on the battlefield.

Given those aspects about me I think Inquisitive builds suit me. I tried to sketch one out here. I'm wondering if it's possible to switch this to a DEX build instead because I'm worried that I will not have the defenses to survive in R1 heroics with this build, but damage wise I think this should be okay right?

Mutuh III
Rogue 20
Lawful Good Dwarf


Stats
. . . . . . . .34pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .--------
Strength. . . . 10. . . .+8. . . .4: INT
Dexterity . . . 14. . . .+8. . . .8: INT
Constitution. . 14. . . .+8. . . 12: INT
Intelligence. . 18. . . .+8. . . 16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . 10. . . .+8. . . 20: INT
Charisma. . . . 10. . . .+8. . . 24: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: INT

Skills
. . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Disable . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Open Lo . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Search. . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Spot. . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Bluff . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Diplo . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Balance . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Jump. . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Hide. . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Move Si . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
UMD . . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Swim. . . 3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
Tumble. . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .48. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0
Max . . .48 13 13 14 14 14 14 15 15 15 15 16 16 16 16 17 17 17 17 18


Feats

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.3. . . . : Rapid Shot
.6. . . . : Precise Shot
.9. . . . : Precision
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
15. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
18. . . . : Insightful Reflexes
21 Epic . : Combat Archery
24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Pierce Damage Reduction: Adamantine
27 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Deific Warding
30 Epic . : Epic Fortitude
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

10 Rogue. : Improved Evasion
13 Rogue. : Slippery Mind
16 Rogue. : Opportunist
19 Rogue. : Defensive Roll


Enhancements (80 AP)

Inquisitive (41 AP) Inquisitive, Hit the Streets, Mind Like Iron, True Seeing, Undaunted, Master Inquisitive Dual Shooter, Law on your Side
Crossbow Adept, Observation, Improved Law, Action Boost: Skills III
Crossbow Adept, Shoot First, Improved Observation, Stop in the Name, Intelligence
Crossbow Adept, Ask Questions Later, Martial Inquisition, Greater Law
Arresting Assault, Improved Uncanny Dodge, Optimistic, Diplomatic Immunity
Mechanic (24 AP) Arbalester, Tanglefoot, Targeting Sights, Improved Detection Sharpshooter, Lacerating Shots III, Mechanics III
Sharpshooter, Improved Traps III
Sharpshooter, Use Magical Device I, Intelligence
Sharpshooter
Harper Agent (12 AP) Agent of Good I Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness II, Strategic Combat
Know the Angles III
Strategic Combat
Thief-Acrobat (3 AP) Staff Control Fast Movement

jirksa
10-21-2020, 11:55 AM
Hi,

I would suggest trying to modify this build:

HolyInq
18/2 Favored Soul/Artificer
Human


Level Order

1. Artificer . . . 6. Favored Soul. .11. Favored Soul. .16. Favored Soul
2. Favored Soul . .7. Favored Soul . 12. Favored Soul . 17. Favored Soul
3. Favored Soul . .8. Favored Soul . 13. Favored Soul . 18. Favored Soul
4. Favored Soul . .9. Favored Soul . 14. Artificer . . .19. Favored Soul
5. Favored Soul . 10. Favored Soul . 15. Favored Soul . 20. Favored Soul


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt. . .Tome. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . --------
Strength. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +7 . . . 4: WIS
Dexterity . . . 10. . . .12 . . . 12. . . .14 . . . +7 . . . 8: WIS
Constitution. . 14. . . .15 . . . 16. . . .16 . . . +7 . . .12: WIS
Intelligence. . 12. . . .12 . . . 12. . . .12 . . . +7 . . .16: WIS
Wisdom. . . . . 18. . . .18 . . . 18. . . .18 . . . +7 . . .20: WIS
Charisma. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +7 . . .24: WIS
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: WIS

Skills
. . . . . A .F .F .F .F .F .F .F .F .F .F .F .F .A. F. F. F. F. F. F
. . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Disable . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Search. . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Spot. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .6. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 19
Open Lo . 4 .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ . . ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. 13
Spellcr . 4 . . . . . . . . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5
Heal. . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .24 .5 .5 .5 .5 .5 .6 .6 .6 .6 .6 .6 .6 .8. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7


Feats

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.1 Human. : Rapid Shot
.3. . . . : Precision
.6. . . . : Precise Shot
.9. . . . : Quicken Spell
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Piercing
15. . . . : Extend Spell
18. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
21 Epic . : Combat Archery
24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Pierce Damage Reduction: Adamantine
27 Epic . : Burst of Glacial Wrath
28 Destiny: Mass Frog
29 Destiny: Doubleshot
30 Epic . : Great Ability: Wisdom
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

.3 FavSoul: Knowledge of Battle
.8 FavSoul: Stout of Heart

.6 FavSoul: Energy Absorption: Fire
11 FavSoul: Energy Absorption: Cold
17 FavSoul: Energy Absorption: Electricity

.2 Deity. : Follower of: Olladra
.7 Deity. : Luck of Olladra


Spells

Favored Soul <Any>, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>
<Any>, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>
<Any>, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>
Cure Critical Wounds (9), <Any>, <Any>, <Any>
Raise Dead (11), Flame Strike (12), Greater Command (15), <Any>
Heal (13), Cometfall (15), Greater Dispel Magic (17)
Mass Cure Serious Wounds (16), Mass Protection from Elements (17), Greater Restoration (19)
Holy Aura (18), Death Pact (19)
<Any>
Artificer <Any>, <Any>, <Any>

Enhancements (79+1 of 80+1 AP) Errors

Inquisitive (40 AP) Inquisitive, Hit the Streets, Mind Like Iron, True Seeing, Undaunted, Master Inquisitive Dual Shooter, Eye for Accuracy II, Law on your Side
Crossbow Adept, Observation, Improved Law
Crossbow Adept, What First?: Ask Questions First, Improved Observation, Wisdom
Crossbow Adept, What Later?: Shoot Later, Inquisition Style: Divine Inquisition, Greater Law, Wisdom
No Holds Barred, Improved Uncanny Dodge, Inquisitor's Path: Jaded, Diplomatic Immunity
War Soul (31 AP) Smite Foe: Ranged, Resilience of Battle, Sanctuary, Blur, Haste Divine Will III, Righteous Weapons
Righteous Weapons, Inflame III
Righteous Weapons, Greater Inflame III, Wisdom
Ameliorating Strike, Righteous Weapons, Holy Striker: Doubleshot III, Wisdom
Human (5 AP) Damage Boost, Wisdom Improved Recovery
Renegade Mastermaker (2 AP) Renegade Defender Easily Fixed
Beacon of Hope (2 AP) Pleasant Disposition Good Hope I

Destiny (22 of 24 AP)

Shiradi Champion Healing Spring II, Wisdom
Prism, Pin II, Wisdom
Rainbow, Otto's Whistler II, Wisdom
Double Rainbow
Nerve Venom II
Audience with the Queen, Rain of Arrows

This build is somewhat corrupt, because I updated my character builder and didn't fix the builds, but you get the idea.

you need start with at least 13 dex to have enough for combat archery (21 dex). Minimum is 19 dex for Improved precise shot. If you really want evasion, change arti for rogue or simply add 2 rogue. Drop extend spell, because dwarf will have 1 feat less. If you cant get your diplo skill high enough, drop Tea with queen from shiradi. Note: you dont need to have high diplo for the diplo things from inquisitive tree to work, you just have to use that skill, doesn? matter if you actually make the mobs attack someone else.

Tier 4 enhancement in Inq will let you use Xbow as favored weapon so you can really get the most out of dmg. You also have self heals, blur and haste.

lukamaro
10-22-2020, 03:44 AM
I'd like to play something that has evasion, can do traps (I like the idea of chasing traps for xp bonuses), has a good defense, and can kill things quickly. Melee or ranged, but I'm not a very good spellcaster. I tend to be a very mobile person on the battlefield.

per your request i have the following suggestion. you can do ranged, melee, trapping and have evasion.
However, there is a trade off with this build. Its a late bloomer, as it was intended for Iconic races.
TWF doesnt appear til level 4, manyshot at level 15, range focused enhancements are slow to develop.
Level 15+, your golden and can run in almost any epic destiny, so farming those epic past lives is easy.
I have run this with heroic races so am familiar with it starting at level 1.
You can still run elite or r1 solo, but will need decent gear to do it effectively.
Why do a slow grind in early levels? Would cranking out 5-10k damage every pull on the bow in high levels entice you to try this?
Many Shot and Ten Thousand Stars will keep you in burst mode more then 75% of the time, add Zeal in epics and your in burst 100%
If you try this build, plan on being melee focused early levels (monk will carry you thru) and ranged mid to high levels.
Wraps/Staff and Longbows

Longbowman Trap N Decker
9/6/5 Monk/Ranger/Rogue
Lawful Neutral Dwarf


Level Order

1. Rogue . . . . . 6. Rogue. . . . . 11. Rogue . . . . .16. Rogue
2. Monk . . . . . .7. Monk . . . . . 12. Monk . . . . . 17. Monk
3. Monk . . . . . .8. Monk . . . . . 13. Monk . . . . . 18. Monk
4. Ranger. . . . . 9. Ranger . . . . 14. Ranger. . . . .19. Monk
5. Ranger. . . . .10. Ranger . . . . 15. Ranger. . . . .20. Rogue


Stats
. . . . . . . .32pt . . 34pt. . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .--------
Strength. . . . 12. . . .13 . . . 14. . . .+8. . . .4: DEX
Dexterity . . . 16. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .+8. . . .8: DEX
Constitution. . 12. . . .13 . . . 14. . . .+8. . . 12: DEX
Intelligence. . 16. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .+8. . . 16: DEX
Wisdom. . . . . 14. . . .14 . . . 14. . . .+8. . . 20: DEX
Charisma. . . . .6. . . . 6 . . . .6. . . .+8. . . 24: DEX
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: DEX

Skills
. . . . .Rg Mo Mo Rn Rn Rg Mo Mo Rn Rn Rg Mo Mo Rn Rn Rg Mo Mo Mo Rg
. . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4. 5 .6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Disable . 4 . . . . . . .5. . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . .5. . . . . .4. 23
Open Lo . 4 . . . . . . .5. . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . .5. . . . . .4. 23
Search. . 4 . . . .3. 1 .1. . . . 3 .1. 1 . . . .3. 1 .1. . . . . .4. 23
Spot. . . 4 .1 .1 .1. 1 .1. 1. 1. 1 .1. 1 .1 .1 .1. 1 .1. 1. 1. . .2. 23
Concent . . .5 .1 .1. 1 . . 2. 1. 1 .1. . .1 .1 .1. 2 . . 2. 1. 1. . .22
Balance . 4 .1 .1 . . . . . 4. 1. . . . 1 .3 .1 . . . .2. 2. 1. 1. . .22
Heal. . . 2 . . . .5. 1 . . . . . 4 .1. . . . . .4. 1 . . . .1 .1 . . 20
Listen. . 4 . . 2. . .2. . . . 3. 1 .1. . .2 .1 .1. 1 . . 2. . . . . .20
UMD . . . 4 . . 1. . .1. . . . 1. . .2½ . . . 2. . .2½ . .½ .2½ 3. . .20
Spellcr . 2 .½ .½ . . 1 . . 1. ½. ½ .½. . .1 .½ .½. ½ . . 1. . . . . .10
Swim. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Tumble. . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .44 .8 .8 10 10 12 .9 .9 11 11 13 .9 .9 11 12 14 10 10 10 14


Feats

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.2 Monk . : Dodge
.3. . . . : Precision
.3 Monk . : Mobility
.6. . . . : Zen Archery
.9. . . . : Shot on the Run
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
13 Monk . : Ten Thousand Stars
15. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
18. . . . : Master of Forms
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Combat Archery
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Fire
27 Epic . : Grandmaster of Forms
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Wind through the Trees
30 Epic . : Watchful Eye
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

.7 Monk . : Path of Harmonious Balance

.4 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
14 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Spells

Ram's Might (10), Jump (15)

Enhancements (67 of 80 AP)

Deepwood Stalker (37 AP) Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot Increased Empathy II, Versatile Empathy II
Empathic Healing II, Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
Thrill of the Hunt III, Aimed Shot, Dexterity
Killer III, Merciful Shot, Leg Shot, Dexterity
Heavy Draw, Strikes Like Lightning, Head Shot
Arcane Archer (26 AP) Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows Conjure Arrows, Flaming Arrows, Awareness III
Force Arrows III, Elemental Damage
Elemental Damage, Dexterity
Elemental Damage, Dexterity
Shintao (4 AP) Bastion of Purity Deft Strikes III

Destiny (18 of 24 AP)

Divine Crusader Interrogation, Purge the Wicked, Wisdom
Consecration III, Flames of Purity III, Wisdom
Sacred Ground, Wisdom
Crusade

jirksa
10-22-2020, 04:46 AM
per your request i have the following suggestion. you can do ranged, melee, trapping and have evasion.
However, there is a trade off with this build. Its a late bloomer, as it was intended for Iconic races.
TWF doesnt appear til level 4, manyshot at level 15, range focused enhancements are slow to develop.
Level 15+, your golden and can run in almost any epic destiny, so farming those epic past lives is easy.
I have run this with heroic races so am familiar with it starting at level 1.
You can still run elite or r1 solo, but will need decent gear to do it effectively.
Why do a slow grind in early levels? Would cranking out 5-10k damage every pull on the bow in high levels entice you to try this?
Many Shot and Ten Thousand Stars will keep you in burst mode more then 75% of the time, add Zeal in epics and your in burst 100%
If you try this build, plan on being melee focused early levels (monk will carry you thru) and ranged mid to high levels.
Wraps/Staff and Longbows



Don't try to split between 2 different playstyles, you usually cant pull it of even with ton of past lives. So drop shintao tree. Your melee dmg will be inferior to ranged dmg.

Also I would highly recomend to get Acid imbue and not Fire. Tons of mobs are immune to fire.

why 14 str as base stat? If I see correctly, you use dex to dmg,
why 16 int? You can use far less and drop balance and listen.
Put it in con