lynnabel please spill the beans on the augment changes

[silinteresting]

comon old girl spill the beans on what you've been working on.
pretty please with a cherry on top.

your friend sil :)

[straytext]

Yes. Open the gates, Lynnabel!

[Seljuck]

comon old girl spill the beans on what you've been working on.
pretty please with a cherry on top.

your friend sil :)

Calling Her Old doesn't help your cause :P:P But yeah, we realy need some news.. :)

[HungarianRhapsody]

Lynnabel, dude! If there are augment changes in the pipeline that would be awesome. Even if it's just deleting the 2/3 of the augments that no one ends up slotting in their items.

The only thing that would make me happier would be seeing a single alphabetical sort on the TR Cache when we reincarnate (just a single sort applied one time during the TR itself) so that items display in alphabetical order in the cache when we open the bank.

[straytext]

Calling Her Old doesn't help your cause :P:P But yeah, we realy need some news.. :)

Bah, Lynnabel is still young and optimistic. She can take it.

That said, what would help our cause? Cookies? Does Lynnabel like cookies cause I'll promise cookies I have no intention of delivering if it means we get Augment news.

[devashta]

comon old girl


She has blocked you for life ;). But yeah, please tell us what you been up to Lynn :o

[Stravix]

Bah, Lynnabel is still young and optimistic. She can take it.

That said, what would help our cause? Cookies? Does Lynnabel like cookies cause I'll promise cookies I have no intention of delivering if it means we get Augment news.

Clearly the answer is ritualistic sacrifice. Who doesn't love a good ole fashioned sacrifice in their name?

[straytext]

Clearly the answer is ritualistic sacrifice. Who doesn't love a good ole fashioned sacrifice in their name?

Cthulu knows I'm always down for a ritualistic sacrifice but what should we sacrifice? A goat just seems so pedestrian.

[Seljuck]

Cthulu knows I'm always down for a ritualistic sacrifice but what should we sacrifice? A goat just seems so pedestrian.

Halfings are always good !

[straytext]

Halfings are always good !

Someone grab the nearest halfling and truss them up. Now, bonfire? Ritual dagger? These robes are new and I'd hate to get halfling blood on them.

[arminius]

Someone grab the nearest halfling and truss them up.

It's Thursday, so I had that done already this morning. I'll await the thread consensus on next steps tho.

[Seph1roth5]

L
The only thing that would make me happier would be seeing a single alphabetical sort on the TR Cache when we reincarnate (just a single sort applied one time during the TR itself) so that items display in alphabetical order in the cache when we open the bank.

Lol let's try to keep tr cache and blueshine out of this thread!

That being said, yeah how aboot some sneak peaks? I mostly only use fear immunity/feather fall, but that's because I'm lazy heh.

[droid327]

My #1 thing I'd like to see...

25% Striding ML1

30% Striding ML8

No reason these should be gated as high as they are, especially considering they're not even vendor-purchaseable right now (though again they should be)

[Claver]

Calling Her Old doesn't help your cause

Nor does calling him a her...He's a dude

[straytext]

My #1 thing I'd like to see...

25% Striding ML1

30% Striding ML8

No reason these should be gated as high as they are, especially considering they're not even vendor-purchaseable right now (though again they should be)

Not only are the MLs on those dumb high, you can get Speed boots that put Striding to shame much lower than 8.

[MaeveTuohy]

Nor does calling him a her...He's a dude

I thought Lynnabel is a They.

[Weemadarthur]

Cthulu knows I'm always down for a ritualistic sacrifice but what should we sacrifice? A goat just seems so pedestrian.

My daughter just annoyed me again if that helps?

[Krelar]

Not only are the MLs on those dumb high, you can get Speed boots that put Striding to shame much lower than 8.

Not anymore you can't. Since the update to random loot you won't see 30% speed until epic levels.

Basically it was made better for the first ~4 levels of the game and worse of every level after that.

[Arkat]

I thought Lynnabel is a They.

Correct.

[fatherpirate]

If I have learned one thing in my many years of life ... don't give strangers 'pet' names.

[silinteresting]

Calling Her Old doesn't help your cause :P:P But yeah, we realy need some news.. :)

calling someone old girl is a term of endearment in england.

your friend sil :)

[Loholt-UK]

If I have learned one thing in my many years of life ... don't give strangers 'pet' names.

I'd like to hear the story behind this. :D

[Belnavar]

Intrigued by these upcoming changes too :)

-Bel

[Lynnabel]

I thought Lynnabel is a They.

I use he/him or they/them :)

[Arkat]

I use he/him or they/them :)

Very well. If they/them works for you, it works for me.

[Stravix]

I use he/him or they/them :)

The summoning ritual was a success!! We can stop sacrificing halflings now. Gotta keep at least some around for the next summoning.

[Lynnabel]

The summoning ritual was a success!! We can stop sacrificing halflings now. Gotta keep at least some around for the next summoning.

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382021378775318528/742218709774368828/augments.PNG

[Yamani]

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382021378775318528/742218709774368828/augments.PNG

+1w for filling all slots!

[Stravix]

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382021378775318528/742218709774368828/augments.PNG

Not 100% sure what I am seeing exactly, but I like it!

[apocaladle]

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382021378775318528/742218709774368828/augments.PNG

Looks beautiful, well done sir!

[Logicman69]

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382021378775318528/742218709774368828/augments.PNG

It looks interesting...

BUT

I assume that this means we will be able to craft augment slots onto blanks. If so, doesn't that devalue the random loot even further? I know the only thing I look for on random loot is augment slots. Now that I will be able to add whatever slots I want, I wouldn't even need to look at that. Just pull whatever base item I want and go from there.

Now if you are telling me I will be able to craft an augment to fit into a specific slot... now you have my attention.

[Lynnabel]

I assume that this means we will be able to craft augment slots onto blanks.

I wouldn't assume that :P I use the generic "dagger" item for a lot of my testing. This was me showing off the fancy new UI, nothing more :)

[Stravix]

I wouldn't assume that :P I use the generic "dagger" item for a lot of my testing. This was me showing off the fancy new UI, nothing more :)

Will more info on this augment pass be available for seeing in one of the U47 Lama previews? Or will the suspense be with us for longer than that?

[rabidfox]

Eagerly awaiting the 7-slotted "Dagger of Lynnabel" to drop in a chest.

[Gniewomir]

Can someone explain what is happening? I was pretty sure devs said recently that they would like to do auguments revamp, but they don't have time and plans for that right now. I'm a bit confused about this thread.

[Valerianus]

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382021378775318528/742218709774368828/augments.PNG

thanks dude! this is some high quality tease, i bet you got everyone hooked! (i always say dude to internet ppl cause dude is funny, nice, friendly, i am dude, he is dude, she is dude, my table is dude, the cat i haven't is dude, the beer i'm drinking is dude, and so on. also the big lebowsky is my 2nd favourite movie)

the colourful screenshot is makin me wanna play rainbow in the dark

and making me think about some very flexible augment system with items with multiple slots, like, customize you gear. like lotro essences? or it's just a test UI?

[Logicman69]

I wouldn't assume that :P I use the generic "dagger" item for a lot of my testing. This was me showing off the fancy new UI, nothing more :)

In that case, I say Bravo!

[Yamani]

Can someone explain what is happening? I was pretty sure devs said recently that they would like to do auguments revamp, but they don't have time and plans for that right now. I'm a bit confused about this thread.

It's just a UI change, I doubt we'll see useful augment changes any time soon.

[Lynnabel]

It's just a UI change, I doubt we'll see useful augment changes any time soon.

You really think we'd build out a new UI just for fun, rather than as a necessary step of a full augment overhaul? :P

[droid327]

You really think we'd build out a new UI just for fun, rather than as a necessary step of a full augment overhaul? :P

Of course! I thought the DDO engine made it very easy to make fundamental changes to the GUI. Thats why it was such a trivial thing to add in scaling text and window size, support for modern mega-high resolutions, etc. Plus the Art guys are always just sitting around waiting for new 2D project requests, arent they?

[Yamani]

You really think we'd build out a new UI just for fun, rather than as a necessary step of a full augment overhaul? :P

Yes.

[Stravix]

Yes.

Oh ye of little faith.

[Yamani]

Oh ye of little faith.

I lost faith a long time ago.

[straytext]

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.



Yay! Release the halflings. We have successfully received a bean.

We demand additional beans be spilt lest we resume the halfling sacrifices.

[YanPL]

re: halfling sacrifices, is General Manager the closest we'll ever get to getting an actual kobold thrower (a mob or machine that throws kobolds in your general direction)?

I wonder what's gonna be the baseline power of new augments, in relation to augment-less cannith crafted gear.
UI is easy on the eye.

Sentient weapon UI could use a single tweak while meddling with UI powers beyond our mere mortals comprehension - namely, let us open the UI with sentient weapons / artifacts still equipped, and let us feed them while still equipped.

[MaeveTuohy]

I use he/him or they/them :)

Good to know. I shall ensure I use either in post to or about you.

[devashta]

You really think we'd build out a new UI just for fun, rather than as a necessary step of a full augment overhaul? :P

This is great news! Please look into possibility of adding metalline property to weapons using threads/augments - weapon/gear swap is killing this game at the moment. Thanks for all your hard work!

[cdbd3rd]

I use he/him or they/them :)


Gizmo deleted to avoid... well, just becuz.

[Xgya]

Praise the Old Ones, we got an update!

That UI does look pretty swell. Thanks for the heads up Lyn.

[Seljuck]

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382021378775318528/742218709774368828/augments.PNG

Rainbow? Good for fey theme.. :P

[Seljuck]

Since we have more and more UI "craft/barter" windows maybe it's time to add new window called Crafting and move all UI's there? Forget to add there, but list with filigree/ings etc could be add to .

https://i.paste.pics/bd878736237cc35d996c5e311ce5ec66.png

* My PS skills are not good so it looks like it looks xD

[Madja]

Since we have more and more UI "craft/barter" windows maybe it's time to add new window called Crafting and move all UI's there? Forget to add there, but list with filigree/ings etc could be add to.

This would indeed be nice. There's so many different UI windows these days, it's crazy.


I'm both excited for an augment overall and worried about it. Excited because right now there are so many augments there are terribly underpowered compared to their ML, but also worried because of the almost inevitable power creep it will bring.

[Aelonwy]

Good to know. I shall ensure I use either in post to or about you.

Ditto, although it might take me abit to remember/rewrite my thinking.

[ChicagoChris]

I wouldn't assume that :P I use the generic "dagger" item for a lot of my testing. This was me showing off the fancy new UI, nothing more :)

What would really be nice is if we had an icon indicator of what slots were available:

https://i.imgur.com/Vire576.png

This would be *extremely* helpful in the Auction House.

[Lynnabel]

What would really be nice is if we had an icon indicator of what slots were available:

https://i.imgur.com/Vire576.png

This would be *extremely* helpful in the Auction House.

Lord help me I've been trying to figure out a way to do that for YEARS. I'll keep tinkering, but I can't guarantee any success, much less any success that would coincide with this revamp.


Ditto, although it might take me abit to remember/rewrite my thinking.

I really appreciate it. I've been holding off on clarifying this stuff for years at this point, it genuinely makes me so happy to read this. Love you all :) So excited for Feywild and I can't wait to show you all the rest of the great stuff we've been working so hard on.

[charliecharlie]

I gave an example of what Augment Slot Indicator might look like a bit ago in another post:

https://i.imgur.com/wE6pXIk.jpg

[Yamani]

Lord help me I've been trying to figure out a way to do that for YEARS. I'll keep tinkering, but I can't guarantee any success, much less any success that would coincide with this revamp.



I really appreciate it. I've been holding off on clarifying this stuff for years at this point, it genuinely makes me so happy to read this. Love you all :) So excited for Feywild and I can't wait to show you all the rest of the great stuff we've been working so hard on.

Are you saying we're getting the aug revamp in feywild?

[HungarianRhapsody]

Lord help me I've been trying to figure out a way to do that for YEARS. I'll keep tinkering, but I can't guarantee any success, much less any success that would coincide with this revamp.



I really appreciate it. I've been holding off on clarifying this stuff for years at this point, it genuinely makes me so happy to read this. Love you all :) So excited for Feywild and I can't wait to show you all the rest of the great stuff we've been working so hard on.
Oh my goodness, any kind of augment slot indicator would be AMAZING.

Even just a dot that says “I have augments of some type” without specifying what the augment slot is would be a godsend for looking through loot to see “do I care about this item?”

[Cordovan]

Are you saying we're getting the aug revamp in feywild?

I think the timeline remains fluid pending the completion of more than one person doing work but there is a possibility of it.

[memloch]

I am so happy to hear this news and look forward to all types of new augments.

[axel15810]

Great news. Thanks Lynnabel for your hard work and for the sneak peak. An augment revamp has for a long time been one of my most wanted changes in DDO.

[zyp]

What would really be nice in any augment revamp is an augment destroyer. It is long overdue tbh.

In any case, though, thank you for whatever you manage to do Lynnabel. You are my hero in many ways.

[SerPounce]

Very excited about this! Been looking forward to it for years. Hopefully it will mean we can have more unique/fun augments also :).

[I apologize if I used the wrong pronoun in the past (pretty sure I did). It was an honest mistake and I will be mindful of this in the future.]

[Buddha5440]

Clearly the answer is ritualistic sacrifice. Who doesn't love a good ole fashioned sacrifice in their name?

I swear I sacrifice Nibbles every time I run Tower of Frost (and I'm a ranger (chaotic good though), so it kinda hurts). Now, if we could have animal companions for rangers (like the druid wolf), my prayers would be answered and Nibbles would likely survive my next ToF run... Just saying...

But, yeah, augment update is needed as is the ability to add an augment slot or metal type via Cannith Crafting, or at least add an icon/border color to show if an item has augment slots. It's not right that you can find better items in non-named random loot than what you can craft.

[Buddha5440]

Also, if it is possible, maybe consider making augments harder to get but have them level based on the ML of the item they are in. So just 1 fire damage augment but if you put it in a ML 4 item it is 1d4...slap it in a ML 30 item it is 3d8 or such. This would be a boon for crafters as they could upgrade their items without having to get new augments (especially those that you need tokens of the twelve for as those have been pretty much abandoned in any newer(ish) content (ie. all new(ish) Eberron Epic quests).

[Zeleron]

Also, if it is possible, maybe consider making augments harder to get but have them level based on the ML of the item they are in. So just 1 fire damage augment but if you put it in a ML 4 item it is 1d4...slap it in a ML 30 item it is 3d8 or such. This would be a boon for crafters as they could upgrade their items without having to get new augments (especially those that you need tokens of the twelve for as those have been pretty much abandoned in any newer(ish) content (ie. all new(ish) Eberron Epic quests).

In all honesty I'd like to see new "raid" augments, drop say in only elite+. Where its a augment bonus to a single stat. For example a +1 augment bonus stat would drop in heroic chronoscope/von5-6/tempest spine, a +2 would drop in raids 11-20, +3 raids 21-29, +4 raids 30+.

[Buddha5440]

In all honesty I'd like to see new "raid" augments, drop say in only elite+. Where its a augment bonus to a single stat. For example a +1 augment bonus stat would drop in heroic chronoscope/von5-6/tempest spine, a +2 would drop in raids 11-20, +3 raids 21-29, +4 raids 30+.

I could definitely go for something like that. What I was talking about above was more related to the spell power/elemental damage type augments.

[Elfishski]

Well, might as well blow your minds.

What are the chances of taking this opportunity to unify the augment system with 'special' augment types e.g. LGS, so that an item would just have extra slots of those different types such as 'Legendary Greensteel Tier 1' instead of (or even as well as) 'Red' and they'd all be accessed the same way? Seems like that might allow for more future design freedom as well as simplifying the UI?

[Itchybeard]

First off, as many have said... thank you for doing ANY work with Augments.

While Augment work is being done, is it possible to create "scaling" effects for the various augments? I realize this might be more work than is worthwhile, but here are some examples. Also, perhaps the bonuses themselves can have their own stacking "title" but with smaller bonuses:



Instead of just plain-ol' "Fire Resistance +5" or "Insightful Fire Resistance +5", perhaps it could be "Augment Fire Resistance +X" and the X could be based on the minimum level of the item or even the character level (or every other level). In this way, all the bonuses could stack together and increase the value of Augments without making things too OP. This principle can apply to Ability Score bonuses, but with very small values. "Augment Intelligence +X" might only be +1 for the first 10 levels or so, but at least it would not be eclipsed by other gear right off the bat.
Perhaps static effects such as Feather Fall and Water Breathing can be pooled together in an Augment once it reaches a certain level such as "Essential Adventuring" bonuses.
New Augment effects would be nice as well. Things like MMR Cap, Dodge Cap, Rages, Turn Undeads, Action Boosts, and other areas which can make a difference in some builds could prove worthwhile and make us want to buy such Augments. If purchasable, this would give us a plat sink.
When it comes to easily detecting whether an item has a slot, perhaps you can put it in the title of the item so it is searchable. A weapon might say "+5 Keen Bastard Sword of Deadly +10 (R)" would indicate it has a RED slot. The little colors in the corners of the icons are nice, but I would love to be able to search for slots in the AH.


Thanks for your considerations.

[devashta]

I really appreciate it. I've been holding off on clarifying this stuff for years at this point, it genuinely makes me so happy to read this. Love you all :) So excited for Feywild and I can't wait to show you all the rest of the great stuff we've been working so hard on.

This is great!! Will we get a chance to preview and provide feedback on new augments before releasing to Live? :)

[TDarkchylde]

I use he/him or they/them :)
Valid, from a fellow theyby!

[Buddha5440]

Rats, tricked again.

Well, might as well blow your minds.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382021378775318528/742218709774368828/augments.PNG

Wow! Not sure how I missed that but I am excited :) You could even say I am an enthused enthusiast :)

https://media.giphy.com/media/5aLrlDiJPMPFS/giphy.gif

Man, I miss John Stewart... He was an equal opportunity offender :) If you did something stupid (regardless of party affiliation), he would call you out.

[Zafaron]

Lord help me I've been trying to figure out a way to do that for YEARS. I'll keep tinkering, but I can't guarantee any success, much less any success that would coincide with this revamp.

I would suggest an overlay that sits above the icon texture, then mask around it so you can just move the overlay into place for whatever combination of augments need to get displayed. Granted, I have no idea what bits of the code/engine you actually have to work with, so easier said than done if you are having to script everything on top of some base code you can't touch.

[LightBear]

The summoning ritual was a success!! We can stop sacrificing halflings now. Gotta keep at least some around for the next summoning.

Quick, close the circle with salt or them will escape!

[LightBear]

What would really be nice is if we had an icon indicator of what slots were available:

https://i.imgur.com/Vire576.png

This would be *extremely* helpful in the Auction House.

Thx for making a mockup, that blue pixel is kinda hard to see.
Additional mockups with green, light blue, dark blue, red, orange and purple borders would be appreciated.
Also, max augments slot right now is 3 for named items, or is this something only supposed to show up on rnd-gen crafted items?

[Captain_Wizbang]

Lord help me I've been trying to figure out a way to do that for YEARS. I'll keep tinkering, but I can't guarantee any success, much less any success that would coincide with this revamp.



I really appreciate it. I've been holding off on clarifying this stuff for years at this point, it genuinely makes me so happy to read this. Love you all :) So excited for Feywild and I can't wait to show you all the rest of the great stuff we've been working so hard on.

Can't wait. The augment is a QoL change everyone should appreciate.

Q; will there be a way to take older named items w/no slot to get one? Place in stone of change altar maybe?

[Sylvado]

I wouldn't assume that :P I use the generic "dagger" item for a lot of my testing. This was me showing off the fancy new UI, nothing more :)

Glad I read on, I was about to clear out a lot of mules.

[GramercyRiff]

OP needs the edit to say old boy imo.

Always been great potential in the augment system. I look forward to seeing where this goes.

[Gabrael]

Lord help me I've been trying to figure out a way to do that for YEARS. I'll keep tinkering, but I can't guarantee any success, much less any success that would coincide with this revamp.




how about this? various augments trigger a different overlap hue in different place on the image, kinda like new options give a teal hue
https://i.postimg.cc/XYWgvbMb/augments.png (https://postimages.org/)

[math92]

would be nice if items with the sockets showed up on item icon. for easier sorting, searching, looting etc... if you know what i mean.

[C-Dog]

Lord help me I've been trying to figure out a way to do that for YEARS. I'll keep tinkering, but I can't guarantee any success, much less any success that would coincide with this revamp.
As shown, the "corners" are pretty small to notice (esp the "blue on green"), doubly so for those who are using a small resolution setting.

The bottom margin is already taken, and the top margin would be at risk to mix in w/ the bottom margin of any icon above it.

But the side margins are wide open! Maybe a full-side (left?) margin w/ the approp color, and a "two-part" side-margin-marker if there are 2 (or more!) slots? (2+ slots don't have to each be color-coordinated to the marker - it'd be nice, but so long as "this item has 2(+) slots" is clearly marked, it'd be a win.)