Duegar Dwarf Iconic

[Sedona]

Am I the only player that wants to see the Duegar developed as an Iconic race? As a founding player, I am very aware Duegar have been in the game since its initial release. When Iconics were first released, I was sure each race would have some type of representation. To this point...Human/PDK, Elf/Morninglord, Gnome/Deep Gnome, Warforged/Bladeforged, Tiefling/Scoundrel, Aasimar,/Scourge. Dwarves have gotten the short stick over and over throughout the development of this game. They were left untouched and put aside until only most recently, for which they only received minimal improvement. It really is a sad state that the Dwarves have been so mishandled and forgotten in DDO. As a player, I have enjoyed creating many Dwarf builds that were very effective and a pleasure to play. I have often daydreamed and hoped for the Duegar to be available as an Iconic. Ideas of Silvanus Duegar Maul users abound in the minds of the creator. Whether they be Druid, Cleric, FVS, or Paladin or Fighter/Multi class or Rog/Multi Class etc..the possibilities are endless. Please put an end to the racial outcasting of the DWARVES!

[Aelonwy]

You are not the only one. I've wanted a Duergar Barbarian Battlerager Iconic for years. Years. At least since Thunderholme, I have been asking for such. But with Shifter getting Barbarian as its Iconic... I doubt it will ever happen, or worse yet Duergar will be the Sorcerer Iconic because Corrupt-a-Wish is a thing. :/

[unbongwah]

It was discussed before, particularly since (A) there's five elf variants but only one dwarf and (B) there was no barbarian Iconic...until now. Razorclaw Shifter (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/517565-U47-Preview-2-New-Iconic-Race-Razorclaw-Shifter) will be the next Iconic and starts barbarian. This leaves sorcerer as the last F2P class without an Iconic; and I doubt they'll pick dwarf for that.

[Sedona]

It was discussed before, particularly since (A) there's five elf variants but only one dwarf and (B) there was no barbarian Iconic...until now. Razorclaw Shifter (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/517565-U47-Preview-2-New-Iconic-Race-Razorclaw-Shifter) will be the next Iconic and starts barbarian. This leaves sorcerer as the last F2P class without an Iconic; and I doubt they'll pick dwarf for that.

They have had plenty of time...it will continue as you say. to which i say "Nay". but alas, I am stuck here with waiting...Its just obvious neglect to the dwarves and i HARK "NAY, NAY NAY"!!!

[FuzzyDuck81]

If not as an iconic, then instead adding it as a dwarf variant in the same way as wood elf was added would be nice.

[droid327]

This leaves sorcerer as the last F2P class without an Iconic; and I doubt they'll pick dwarf for that.

You say that, but then watch them make it a Stonecaster Duergar or something, a Sorc Iconic that forces you into Acid spec :)

No, I think the hope for Dwarf is going to be whenever they finish with the F2P Iconics and they possibly move on to Premium classes, you might see a Dwarf Arti Iconic.

[Szling]

I'd rather have a regular Duegar race than an Iconic, perhaps an iconic Druegar as well. Like shifters get 2 races, Teiflings get 2, Humans get 3 I think (human, PDK and Shadar-Kai) and Elves... please for the love of Ebberon we have more than enough elves.

[unbongwah]

You say that, but then watch them make it a Stonecaster Duergar or something, a Sorc Iconic that forces you into Acid spec :)
True I wouldn't have expected sun elf to be the cleric Iconic until it was. I suppose it will depend on whether the Iconic sorcerer is a new playable race (like Razorclaws, Scoundrels, and Scourges are/were when they came out) or a "recycled" existing race. Iconic Dragonborn, perhaps?

[Grimreich]

I think about dwarfs often. Big fan. Also a tanky Universal Tree. Having put a lot of thought into it, I'm understanding the issues with balancing things to make them not the absolute best tank easy.

Though, I was thinking Duergar as alternate regular race with a Shield Dwarf Battlerager as the Iconic Barbarian with a shield-based enhancement tree. Completely forgot Shifters got Barbarian.

Now I'm just hoping Dragonborn get Sorc and dwarf get Favored Soul or Artificer.

[thunir]

Yes to more Dwarves

No to Duegar, we already have enough subterranean races. Duegar are boring and ugly.

[unbongwah]

I think about dwarfs often. Big fan. Also a tanky Universal Tree.
A very, very long time ago, the devs were planning to add more racial Enhancement trees to complement elves getting Arcane Archer. So back then the plan was to give dwarves a racial Stalwart Defender tree IIRC because, well, there's a whole prestige class (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/dwarvenDefender.htm) for that concept. I was looking forward to making, like, a tank-y dwarven cleric. But unfortunately, they abandoned those plans and elf AA tree is left all by its lonesome.

Now I'm just hoping Dragonborn get Sorc and dwarf get Favored Soul or Artificer.
It's an interesting question. Up until now, all of the Iconics have been based on F2P classes so players didn't have to buy both a class and an Iconic. But there's only one F2P class left without an Iconic (sorcerer), so what happens after that? I can't imagine SSG would just stop minting new Iconics when there's still moolah to be made. So do they start duplicating the F2P classes or do we get Iconics based on P2P classes; and if so, are you required to pay for them separately if you don't already have them?

Maybe we can get a new Iconic cleric based on a better race than sun elf. :p

[SoVeryBelgian]

I think the Issue with the implementation of Duergar lore-wise is that unlike Svirfneblin and Drow, Duergar are almost exclusively written as simple-minded thugs or easily manipulated brutes stemming from a corrupted version of Dwarf stock.

As mentioned above they also don't really Jibe with Sorc as an Iconic (I'd picture Fighter, Barb or Paladin for quasi-blackguard gameplay) so I don't believe adding them to the game is worth it.


That said, as someone who plays/played LOTS of Dwarf builds... the racial tree could use a rework. AP spread is kinda ughhh.


If we're talking about a Sorc Iconic tho.... KOBOLD. C'MONNNN DO EET!

[OfElectricMen]

I think the Issue with the implementation of Duergar lore-wise Do you know if that's the case in Eberron?


As mentioned above they also don't really Jibe with Sorc as an Iconic (I'd picture Fighter, Barb or Paladin for quasi-blackguard gameplay)

They should be Psionic. That or Athas would be a good way to introduce a psi system.