Tempest and THF

[droid327]

Before I respec my Tempest I wanted to see if anyone can confirm...

Does taking the THF feat increase your Strikethrough for DoD? I have no reason to think it wouldnt...ST rating is ST rating...but you never can know for sure with mechanics like this, maybe they put a sneaky "while THF" restriction on ST rating for the feat :P

My theorycrafting suggests that THF is going to be must-take for Tempest Rangers now for the 60% extra ST on DoD

[J1NG]

Have not tested this as I don't have a Ranger at appropriate level to test. However, I will note however for your reference, that the THF Strikethrough only is applied with the THF Style is in action. Which means it is very likely that whilst you gain Strikethrough with Dance of Death, because you are TWF, the Strikethrough bonus from THF will not apply. I just did a quick test of this right now.

My THF Kensai Ninja Spy was able to have 190% Strikethrough with Blackrazor. Same with a B Sword. The moment I twirled a second B Sword in the off hand, or whilst NOT in THF Style, I lost the bonus Strikethrough from the THF line.

So it might be a lost cause there to include it. Unless if the Devs change something about it up ahead. Right now, I wouldn't take them together. Wasted Feats.

:: edit ::
OR, if Dance of Death can work without the TWF requirement. Then you can Dance of Death then go into THF for the extra Strikethrough. However, again, as I don't have a current Ranger at appropriate level, I can't confirm this right now.

J1NG

[SpartanKiller13]

OR, if Dance of Death can work without the TWF requirement. Then you can Dance of Death then go into THF for the extra Strikethrough. However, again, as I don't have a current Ranger at appropriate level, I can't confirm this right now.

Since you don't need to hit an enemy with it anymore, if DoD doesn't expire outside of TWF you could use TWF > DoD > swap to THF > fight? Not sure it's worth like 40 AP and a T5 though.

[J1NG]

Since you don't need to hit an enemy with it anymore, if DoD doesn't expire outside of TWF you could use TWF > DoD > swap to THF > fight? Not sure it's worth like 40 AP and a T5 though.

True. However, as it's a fairly recent thing and Dance of Death was specifically singled out from the change to be modified to allow Strikethrough, I feel like it would be tied to the TWF Style itself and not work as we are thinking to prevent such uses.

Hmmm. I could delete my Cosmetic Bank Toon (shift my cosmetics over to someone else for the moment) and go create a Temp Ranger, can then see what it does. Brb with confirmation in a bit.

J1NG

[J1NG]

So just tried it just now, and Dance of Death, then switching to any other Fighting Style (THF, TWF, SWF, etc) will retain the Strikethrough Bonus from Dance of Death. This means you can stack Dance of Death with the THF line for some serious Strikethrough. But a reminder that Dance of Death requires you to be TWF to trigger it, and this is likely to be not WAI. And may be subject to a change later on.

J1NG

[Fivetigers33]

Hmmm. I could delete my Cosmetic Bank Toon (shift my cosmetics over to someone else for the moment) and go create a Temp Ranger, can then see what it does. Brb with confirmation in a bit.



Or just create an iconic on another server.

[J1NG]

Or just create an iconic on another server.

I'm a prolific live play tester and Cosmetic try out'er. What makes you think I have easy access to toon spaces on any server? :p

J1NG

[Pilgrim1]

So just tried it just now, and Dance of Death, then switching to any other Fighting Style (THF, TWF, SWF, etc) will retain the Strikethrough Bonus from Dance of Death. This means you can stack Dance of Death with the THF line for some serious Strikethrough. But a reminder that Dance of Death requires you to be TWF to trigger it, and this is likely to be not WAI. And may be subject to a change later on.

J1NG

Did you test that to activate DoD you have to have 2 weapons equipped? If that is the case then bear form with 2 weapons may be the only way to get extra strikethrough without having to swap weapons.



My understanding is then DoD will add 200% strikethrough to your total amount but only work in 2hf mode. If your not in 2hf it just sets it to 200%?

[droid327]

Did you test that to activate DoD you have to have 2 weapons equipped? If that is the case then bear form with 2 weapons may be the only way to get extra strikethrough without having to swap weapons.



My understanding is then DoD will add 200% strikethrough to your total amount but only work in 2hf mode. If your not in 2hf it just sets it to 200%?

Bear should give you ST (IIRC) anytime you're in Bear form, regardless of what weapon you have equipped - so yes, in theory I imagine you could have 2 weapons equipped, activate DoD, and get full Strikethrough, without needing to hotswap.

[J1NG]

Did you test that to activate DoD you have to have 2 weapons equipped?

Yes. Two Weapons are required for it to activate. One in each hand.


My understanding is then DoD will add 200% strikethrough to your total amount but only work in 2hf mode. If your not in 2hf it just sets it to 200%?

Whilst TWF (One weapon in each hand) activating Dance of Death gives you 200% Strikethrough. It also permits you to strike through no matter the Fighting Style you switch into afterwards. THF, TWF, SWF (But not tested with S+B after activating yet).

After activating Dance of Death, switching into THF (Two Handed Fighting) triggers the bonus Strikethrough granted via the THF Line of Feats. So you gain +120% Strikethrough (with GTHF) active. For a total of:

20% Strikethrough (Base)
+200% Dance of Death (That you trigger)
+120% Strikethrough (GTHF by switching into THF on a Greatsword for example)

For 340% Strikethrough whilst using THF (like Blackrazor for example).

J1NG

[J1NG]

Bear should give you ST (IIRC) anytime you're in Bear form, regardless of what weapon you have equipped - so yes, in theory I imagine you could have 2 weapons equipped, activate DoD, and get full Strikethrough, without needing to hotswap.

The question there then is: Can you activate Dance of Death in Bear Form? :)

J1NG

[droid327]

However, I will note however for your reference, that the THF Strikethrough only is applied with the THF Style is in action. Which means it is very likely that whilst you gain Strikethrough with Dance of Death, because you are TWF, the Strikethrough bonus from THF will not apply. I just did a quick test of this right now.

My THF Kensai Ninja Spy was able to have 190% Strikethrough with Blackrazor. Same with a B Sword. The moment I twirled a second B Sword in the off hand, or whilst NOT in THF Style, I lost the bonus Strikethrough from the THF line.

So it might be a lost cause there to include it. Unless if the Devs change something about it up ahead. Right now, I wouldn't take them together. Wasted Feats.


Ahh ok I wasnt sure if it was just the ST mechanic that got disabled outside of THF or both the mechanic and the rating.

Then yeah, Tempest are boned :) Being able to stack THF+PTHF was the only practical way I could see for getting back up to pre-45 function, ie 300% ST, at a reasonable cost.

Thought it does create that possibility for a very wonky, back-asward hybrid Tempest lol. TWF for single targets, then pop DoD and swap to THF for trash. Imagine someone dancing around the battlefield with an eSoS flailing around :D