When SSG Says "No" to a Malicia Sentient Jewel, they are only making excuses!

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

In the Sharn arc we learned that a soul can be consumed to be used in place of spell points!

In the soul splitter arc we learned that souls can be stored and transfered into new vessels!

If a soul can be stored, the technology/magic to analyze said soul's composition is by extension also possible!

If a soul can replace the necessity for Spellpoints, then spellpoints should be by extension in theory capable of mimicking a soul likely through something discovered via the transmutation school of magic, possibly with some additional help from the necromancy school of magic.

When people ask for a Malicia sentient jewel (Or in my case a Yaulthoon sentient jewel), or any other sentient jewel of an NPC whose voice and personality they enjoyed and SSG says no on the basis of "It would break with what is Canonical with DDO", they are only making excuses. The technology that the Sharn content is working up to makes the possibility of making a Malicia sentient jewel a no-brainer through minimal creative writing.

The reality is, if SSG cares enough to make whatever sentient jewel you desire the most based on an in game NPC...... they can do it, and all they have to do is to extent the technology of the vaunt device to make a device that does the following:

1-Extract a soul

2-Copy the extracted soul

3-Store the synthetic copy into a sentient jewel

4-Return the extracted soul to the original host with a permanent amnesia as to how they got there or what they were doing there (Convenient side effect).

The current cannon to game capabilities of the modified vaunt devices are capable of a little less than half of this list already, therefore let it be known that when a Dev says no on the basis mentioned to a sentient jewel, they are only making excuses! The plot progression towards this is such a no brainer!

On the other hand some valid excuses are:

1-For some reason we are not allowed to make an further content featuring said character

2-We can not afford to hire that voice actor/actress again

3-That voice actress/actor is no longer available

The reality is, the potential progression of the vaunt technology reads like a predictable plot line in a mystery novel, if the potential for further modified vaunt devices to create synthetic copies of souls for sentient jewel creation is not utilized for some reason then it would simply be a waste of potential that there is no way the Devs aren't aware of being there! In fact there is a chance the Devs came up with this story line to create new sentient jewels themselves.

Next time you ask for a sentient jewel of a particular NPC in the game, don't let the Devs make the excuse that such would break with the cannon as if it is actually required to kill said NPC in order to make a sentient jewel of them, let them know that you know better and can see that they are simply making excuses!

Important: Let them know you see this in a way that is playful, do not be forceful or rude to them!

[Noir]

*Snip*

On the other hand some valid excuses are:

1-For some reason we are not allowed to make an further content featuring said character

2-We can not afford to hire that voice actor/actress again

3-That voice actress/actor is no longer available.
*Snip*

4- We can not get approval from the IP holder (WOTC) to implement that.

[Lonnbeimnech]

5- adding the soul gem for a STILL LIVING NPC is just, ahem, not well thought out.

[Noir]

5- adding the soul gem for a STILL LIVING NPC is just, ahem, not well thought out.

ALSO- I don't think Malicia is willing to have her soul sucked out in the first place. Capturing a powerful demon last I checked was not that easy. For magic to work. You have to know her TRUE name, And just like we don't know her home plane. I'm relatively certain "Malicia" is not her TRUE name.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

5- adding the soul gem for a STILL LIVING NPC is just, ahem, not well thought out.

Read the post, if a copy of a soul is made synthetically then yes it is well thought out!

If you do not have access to the Sharn story line, your comment makes some sense in terms of where you are coming from as the storyline does make room for leading to the scenario I speak of. Please reread my post, read up on DDO's sharn and soulsplitter storyline and get back to me on that as after you do those things you can contribute to the discussion.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

ALSO- I don't think Malicia is willing to have her soul sucked out in the first place. Capturing a powerful demon last I checked was not that easy. For magic to work. You have to know her TRUE name, And just like we don't know her home plane. I'm relatively certain "Malicia" is not her TRUE name.

The sentient Jewel Of BlackRazor contains the soul of a being of far greater power than Malicia, and as far as we know of, the modified Vaunt devices might not factor in the will of the being whose soul is consumed by it.

This means that regardless, it is definitely possible that such a device could temporarily contain the soul of Malicia (At least long enough to make a synthetic copy of her soul).

Malicia was able to be summoned and contained in the quest Good Intentions, it was there that we learned her home plane to be Mabar, it was also there that we learned that she does indeed have vulnerabilities that can be surpassed by those belonging to what we call "Player races".

Further more, there is a very practical application for such technology in the exploration of dangerous realms that would indeed encourage the development of such technology such as the copying of a researcher's soul to implant it into an automaton so that a portal to another plane of existence can be safely traversed. Of course, logically speaking such an automaton would need to have an emergency protocol that if the automaton is damaged significantly would lead to the sentient jewel being ejected via a teleport spell to return to some relatively easy to access location for the owner of such. The owner of that sentient jewel could then access the memory data bank of the sentient jewel as to learn what it learned,


There is so much potential in storyline for this as this kind of technology does leave room for abuse and motivations for corruption..... hence, potential plot sourcing gold!

[dennisck2]

What the heck did I stumble into?

[Arkat]

What the heck did I stumble into?

A classic DDO Forum trap - The Pit of Stupidity™.

[Hobgoblin]

A classic DDO Forum trap - The Pit of Stupidity™.

it comes with free infractions and warnings!

[silinteresting]

What the heck did I stumble into?

a gem i think.

your friend sil :)

[Oghma_Infinium]

In the Sharn arc we learned that a soul can be consumed to be used in place of spell points!

In the soul splitter arc we learned that souls can be stored and transfered into new vessels!

If a soul can be stored, the technology/magic to analyze said soul's composition is by extension also possible!

If a soul can replace the necessity for Spellpoints, then spellpoints should be by extension in theory capable of mimicking a soul likely through something discovered via the transmutation school of magic, possibly with some additional help from the necromancy school of magic.

....

Do you know what Entropy is ?

[Fenrisulven7]

What the heck did I stumble into?

Oh nothing to see here.

BTW, what is your true name? Just uhm... curious. And would you mind standing inside this pentagram?

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Oh nothing to see here.

BTW, what is your true name? Just uhm... curious. And would you mind standing inside this pentagram?

The soul splitter technology from Sharn in DDO can in theory circumvent the rituals normally used in pen and paper D&D if only further modified..... please read the post next time?

[Xgya]

Souls can't be used to cast spells.

I count Vaunt's technology as devilish in nature instead to keep original D&D cannon.

You can sell only part of your soul through a Faustian Pact, progressively corrupting yourself more and more until you're a finely tuned future Hellspawn.

Those Pacts can also turn out to give you nice amount of magical power - for a time.

'Vaunt Arcanotech: sell your soul at the touch of a button!'

Souls are the price, magic is the result, the only possible intermediary is a demon or devil, and the plan is too crafty to be demonic.

[Fenrisulven7]

The soul splitter technology from Sharn in DDO can in theory circumvent the rituals normally used in pen and paper D&D if only further modified..... please read the post next time?

LOL.

No.

It was just a joke.

[Sorcerio]

we don't know her home plane.
I thought it was Mabar.

[Dragavon]

I thought it was Mabar.

It is.

If people pay attention to the NPC's at the start of Good Intentions then the wizard that has summoned Malicia will tell you she is "a creature from Mabar".

Cordovan has been asked about new sentient jewels several times on the wednesday livestream and he always evades saying anything about it. I get the impression SSG have very little interest in making new jewels at the moment. No idea why though.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Souls can't be used to cast spells.

I count Vaunt's technology as devilish in nature instead to keep original D&D cannon.

You can sell only part of your soul through a Faustian Pact, progressively corrupting yourself more and more until you're a finely tuned future Hellspawn.

Those Pacts can also turn out to give you nice amount of magical power - for a time.

'Vaunt Arcanotech: sell your soul at the touch of a button!'

Souls are the price, magic is the result, the only possible intermediary is a demon or devil, and the plan is too crafty to be demonic.

If you read through all of the dialog, the vaunt devices use necromancy to accomplish the task.

The trap the soul spell uses conjuration.....

"Trap the soul forces a creature’s life force (and its material body) into a gem. The gem holds the trapped entity indefinitely or until the gem is broken and the life force is released, which allows the material body to reform. If the trapped creature is a powerful creature from another plane it can be required to perform a service immediately upon being freed. Otherwise, the creature can go free once the gem imprisoning it is broken."

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/trapTheSoul.htm

While trap the soul won't create a sentient jewel, it does encase the soul into a jewel known as a soul gem and it does not in fact require the name of an enemy to be spoken, though speaking their name can increase the chances of successfully trapping said soul. Curses and energy drain effects can be sufficient for making an enemy weak enough to have their soul trapped (Both necromancy school spells). In the quest Good intentions, Malicia herself was summoned and temporarily imprisoned as an exhibit, and she was not powerful enough to resist having had been summoned in such a way, in fact she seemed kind of startled.

Raise dead, another spell that moves souls (In this case back into their physical body) is also conjuration!

The soul trapping function of the modified vaunt devices seem to work on an entirely different system than "Trap the soul", in fact likely still utilizing necromancy.

Pretty sure it would use Evocation if the device in fact utilized a connection to devilish entities, could be wrong there but seems a much better fit (Think Warlock for this).

Everything seems to point to a further modification of the vaunt devices possibly being capable of copying souls for soul gem creation!

[capsela]

It is.

If people pay attention to the NPC's at the start of Good Intentions then the wizard that has summoned Malicia will tell you she is "a creature from Mabar".

Cordovan has been asked about new sentient jewels several times on the wednesday livestream and he always evades saying anything about it. I get the impression SSG have very little interest in making new jewels at the moment. No idea why though.

Prolly cause it costs a lot. Put the malicia jewel in store only. Problem solved.

[Xgya]

If you read through all of the dialog, the vaunt devices use necromancy to accomplish the task.

The trap the soul spell uses conjuration.....

"Trap the soul forces a creature’s life force (and its material body) into a gem. The gem holds the trapped entity indefinitely or until the gem is broken and the life force is released, which allows the material body to reform. If the trapped creature is a powerful creature from another plane it can be required to perform a service immediately upon being freed. Otherwise, the creature can go free once the gem imprisoning it is broken."

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/trapTheSoul.htm

While trap the soul won't create a sentient jewel, it does encase the soul into a jewel known as a soul gem and it does not in fact require the name of an enemy to be spoken, though speaking their name can increase the chances of successfully trapping said soul. Curses and energy drain effects can be sufficient for making an enemy weak enough to have their soul trapped (Both necromancy school spells). In the quest Good intentions, Malicia herself was summoned and temporarily imprisoned as an exhibit, and she was not powerful enough to resist having had been summoned in such a way, in fact she seemed kind of startled.

Raise dead, another spell that moves souls (In this case back into their physical body) is also conjuration!

The soul trapping function of the modified vaunt devices seem to work on an entirely different system than "Trap the soul", in fact likely still utilizing necromancy.

Pretty sure it would use Evocation if the device in fact utilized a connection to devilish entities, could be wrong there but seems a much better fit (Think Warlock for this).

Everything seems to point to a further modification of the vaunt devices possibly being capable of copying souls for soul gem creation!

Trap the Soul, the conjuration spell, works on soulless beings (you can use Trap the Soul on a perfectly normal human zombie, and could do it on any of the golems that isn't immune to magic - shield guardians come to mind).
What this means is the spell doesn't trap a soul by itself, but a whole creature, no matter what that creature was. It's a bit of a misnamed spell.

The spell encases a whole creature inside a gem. It's also why the creature can't be brought back to life - it didn't die that day.
Suffice to say we couldn't force Malicia herself into a weapon slot. (though I'd love her voice as a sentient gem, really)

Now, what the Vaunt machine does would go under various schools. The soul sucking part is definitely Necromancy.
Undead can't use it, neither can mindless machines, because both of them are natively immune to Necromantic effects.

We couldn't force a Clone of Malicia either, since those only become sentient when their original dies.
We could do it on a Simulacrum of Malicia. That would require us to be able to keep a piece of her the next time we meet, which would also entail not killing her, because her dying means her body parts vanish alongside her.
Then, we build a nice Malicia-shaped snowwoman, cast the spell and we have our own obedient Malicia, fully operational.
Take our snowperson and do the magical stuff that lets us turn it into a sentient weapon. But that would require us losing an actual Malicia clone, which would demand a Will save I'm almost certain I'd fail.

[HungarianRhapsody]

It is.

If people pay attention to the NPC's at the start of Good Intentions then the wizard that has summoned Malicia will tell you she is "a creature from Mabar".

Cordovan has been asked about new sentient jewels several times on the wednesday livestream and he always evades saying anything about it. I get the impression SSG have very little interest in making new jewels at the moment. No idea why though.

That means the wizard thinks that Malicia is a creature from Mabar. It doesn't necessarily mean the wizard is correct.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Prolly cause it costs a lot. Put the malicia jewel in store only. Problem solved.

Good point there. With sentient jewels there is the cost of paying the voice actress/actor, and the cost of programming/debugging.

This might be able to be remedied if the devs create a "Hidden" loot table in raids where only drinking a potion can give someone a chance of getting from that loot table 3500 DDO points=12 potions (or 350 DDO points each), each potion lasts an hour and gives only a 25% chance of granting someone loot from said hidden loot table (up to five items) with a 75% chance that whatever is gained from that is something that normally drops in gold daily dice rolls, just the item, not the experience and only gold rolls 75-100.

But hey that's just a possibility I pulled from my bum bum place, pretty sure someone could come up with a better solution with a little bit of thought. Someone below mentioned a Simulacrum in which might be more possible really.

Most people want a Malicia sentient jewel, I want them to have that.... however what I want is a Yaulthoon sentient gem and the same barriers exist for both however the Sharn soul splitter adventure pack gives hope that the obstacle can be overcome with further tinkering of the Soulsplitter. How many villains in DDO would love to have a copy of themselves to use as a convincing cannon fodder? They could even do the work for us, and hey them having a synthetic or lab created body would not be too difficult to explain

Imagine this: The Lord Of Blades did not destroy all that he said he was going to destroy right away at the end of the Soul Survivor quest, he made a copy of the research in his memory bank the and took the already destroyed equipment for his own plans, he is lawful so he did not lie, he just used doublespeak. He plans to make a copy of himself to use as an ultimate diversion, the idea is that he trusts himself more than he is able to trust anyone else and his own presence would demand attention and thus allow him to effectively be in two places at once, in one place where it is simply a diversion with a built in self-destruct contingency plan but out in the open, and another place where he is cloaked in a predator like invisibility mode! For this reason, the Mournlands can open up to us in a future expansion and/or adventure pack. The soul-splitter event would have really offended the Lord Of Blades, and the extent that he helped us out is suspicious and so it may be a little foolish to assume no further developments may come from how that storyline ended, from the looks of it, the Lord Of Blades wanted that technology for himself!

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

That means the wizard thinks that Malicia is a creature from Mabar. It doesn't necessarily mean the wizard is correct.

The wizard would likely know what plane he was summoning from, each plane has different symbols to represent them, the summon that was done did not appear to be the same tier of summoning ritual that is used by the players in DDO as the summons were not subservient to the summoner. Of the creatures captured in the good intentions quest, correct me if I am wrong but weren't they all from different planes as an exhibit? There's a good chance that he was targeting Mabar to pull a random being from it for the exhibit, but then again I do need to run that quest again to refresh my memory on it!

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Trap the Soul, the conjuration spell, works on soulless beings (you can use Trap the Soul on a perfectly normal human zombie, and could do it on any of the golems that isn't immune to magic - shield guardians come to mind).
What this means is the spell doesn't trap a soul by itself, but a whole creature, no matter what that creature was. It's a bit of a misnamed spell.

The spell encases a whole creature inside a gem. It's also why the creature can't be brought back to life - it didn't die that day.
Suffice to say we couldn't force Malicia herself into a weapon slot. (though I'd love her voice as a sentient gem, really)

Now, what the Vaunt machine does would go under various schools. The soul sucking part is definitely Necromancy.
Undead can't use it, neither can mindless machines, because both of them are natively immune to Necromantic effects.

We couldn't force a Clone of Malicia either, since those only become sentient when their original dies.
We could do it on a Simulacrum of Malicia. That would require us to be able to keep a piece of her the next time we meet, which would also entail not killing her, because her dying means her body parts vanish alongside her.
Then, we build a nice Malicia-shaped snowwoman, cast the spell and we have our own obedient Malicia, fully operational.
Take our snowperson and do the magical stuff that lets us turn it into a sentient weapon. But that would require us losing an actual Malicia clone, which would demand a Will save I'm almost certain I'd fail.

Some good points, but that vaunt technology is a fusion of technology and magic resulting in what one could call a new kind of magic, hence it may not function on all of the rules we are used to seeing. Though there seems to not be anything particularly new about magic being fused with technology, necromancy seems to be an exception there. Trying to think of something in the game that would constitute necromancy and technology being fused together, I can't seem to come up with anything aside from that vaunt device.

There is a possibility that The Lord Of Blades had an ulterior motive when he appeared at the end of the soul survivor quest, if I were him I would have taken the already destroyed devices as to restore and recreate them. The Lord of Blades has pretty good memory, pretty sure it is an advanced photographic memory, if so he would have only needed to glance at research notes and blueprints before destroying them in order to retain the information they held. In other words, him being the one to appear at the end of that quest is plenty to be suspicious about, especially when his body is something that could be recreated at least aesthetically speaking and the soulsplitter works perfectly well on Warforged! Reverse engineering the soul splitter to make a cognitive duplicate of himself seems to have all motivations for doing so perfectly in line. The same could be said for Malicia if she were to want to lay low for a bit or create an effective diversion regarding her where-abouts. Also, if Malicia's home plane really is in Mabar as the Good Intentions quest concludes, Malicia making a Copy of herself to be killed in Mabar as to suggest that Mabar wasn't actually her home plane would make perfect sense as a strategy to divert the players from the truth as when she comes back after her copy is killed in Mabar, she can convincingly claim that Mabar was not her home plane either and so the chances people would try to kill her there again would be significantly reduced..... as the risk would not be worth it. However this then would give her motive to silence those who know about the copy of her that would have been made in which could open up some even more interesting storylines!

[HungarianRhapsody]

The wizard would likely know what plane he was summoning from, each plane has different symbols to represent them, the summon that was done did not appear to be the same tier of summoning ritual that is used by the players in DDO as the summons were not subservient to the summoner. Of the creatures captured in the good intentions quest, correct me if I am wrong but weren't they all from different planes as an exhibit? There's a good chance that he was targeting Mabar to pull a random being from it for the exhibit, but then again I do need to run that quest again to refresh my memory on it!
In most cases, I think it’s reasonable for the Wizard to be correct, but part of Malicia’s schtick is that she is deceptive and extra good at disguising her nature. If she is a demon or a devil (either one), then it doesn’t make any sense for her to be a Mabar native.

All we really know is that she is not from Eberron or from Shavrath.

[Cordovan]

At least so far our sentient gems have been more generic and less one specific person, so releasing a "Malicia Jewel" would require us to make it not Malicia. Theoretically possible, although nothing to announce.

[Aelonwy]

In most cases, I think it’s reasonable for the Wizard to be correct, but part of Malicia’s schtick is that she is deceptive and extra good at disguising her nature. If she is a demon or a devil (either one), then it doesn’t make any sense for her to be a Mabar native.

All we really know is that she is not from Eberron or from Shavrath.

Under Eberron lore succubi come from Mabar, why? No idea. Eberron lore is a little odd.

https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Mabar

[Kutalp]

Under Eberron lore succubi come from Mabar, why? No idea. Eberron lore is a little odd.

https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Mabar




Excuse the arrogance friend.

Malicia is from Abyss and not from Eberron side as I know. But is she ? So she is familiar to Planar travel (also between settings) She is an Erinyes. Not Succubus. Well Nine hells can sue me...Be it.

The hint is Jeets the rogue. How he was effected by his own immorale thoughts at mind...This is not a Succubus effect.


Ofcourse a fellow developer may come out and say 'No' or make detailed explanations about Malicia.

[Aelonwy]

Excuse the arrogance friend.

Malicia is from Abyss and not from Eberron side as I know. So she is familiar to Palanar travel (between settings) She is an Erinyes. Not Succubus.

The hint is Jeets the rogue. How he was effected by his own immorale thoughts at mind...This is not a Succubus effect.


Ofcourse a fellow developer may come out and say 'No' or make detailed explanations about Malicia.

That's odd because when we slay her aspect in Big Top for instance she shows up under the Succubus heading, in the Monster Manual.

[Kutalp]

That's odd because when we slay her aspect in Big Top for instance she shows up under the Succubus heading, in the Monster Manual.



(shrugs) The editor of Monster manual can sue me. :rolleyes:

[Kutalp]

Incorrect. If she were an Erinyes, her wings would be white and she would be of Lawful alignment.

Malicia may not be a Succubus or she might. That's never been made super-clear. What IS clear is we have other Erinyes in the game (Defiler of the Just, Legendary Shroud) and Malicia isn't one of them.






Malicia is not from Eberron side. I am sure she has many tricks such as Polymorph. (Remember Inquisitor Gnomon ?) Who knows ?

[Gabrael]

At least so far our sentient gems have been more generic and less one specific person, so releasing a "Malicia Jewel" would require us to make it not Malicia. Theoretically possible, although nothing to announce.

you can just make it a generic succubus/alluring gem you know, and the voice just so happen to resemble Malicia.

[AlmGhandi]

When people ask for a Malicia sentient jewel

I'd buy that for a dollar!

[droid327]

The hint is Jeets the rogue. How he was effected by his own immorale thoughts at mind...This is not a Succubus effect.


A Succubus is a demon of temptation, lust...how is it not Succubus-like to go after his prurient interests?

An Erinyes, or Fury, is a demon of vengeance or punishment, so while they're also very attractive, they're more about pain and torture than inciting impure thoughts. They're callous, cruel, and sadistic whereas succubi are alluring, aloof, and deceitful.

I mean I guess she could be an Erinyes posing as a Succubus, but she's doing such an amazing job of suppressing everything in her Erinyes nature and exhibiting all the qualities of a Succubus that, at some point, she effectively is a succubus and the distinction is purely academic :)

[droid327]

At least so far our sentient gems have been more generic and less one specific person

I wouldnt consider Wave, Whelm, Blackrazor as "generic". They're definitely a specific person, not just a personality; they're not defined by a single personality trait the way the generic jewels are - just not a person we've actually seen in the flesh like Malicia.

The generic ones, though, are all somewhat...extreme...personalities :P If the sentient jewels were part of some Breakfast Club movie, they'd all be the 'weird ones'. Only Resolute, I think, really fits in as just a regular adventurer.

I'd really like to see less "extreme" or cartoony voices on Jewels moving forward, if more generic ones are planned. Remember that all the lines are going to be repeated 1000 times, if the players dont just turn them off entirely (in which case why even have them). Understated is good, because when all the characterizations are so over-exaggerated, it gets old and annoying really fast.

In other words I'd like to see more Leonardos and Donatellos and Splinters, and not so many Michaelangelos and Raphaels :)

[Kutalp]

A Succubus is a demon of temptation, lust...how is it not Succubus-like to go after his prurient interests?

An Erinyes, or Fury, is a demon of vengeance or punishment, so while they're also very attractive, they're more about pain and torture than inciting impure thoughts. They're callous, cruel, and sadistic whereas succubi are alluring, aloof, and deceitful.

I mean I guess she could be an Erinyes posing as a Succubus, but she's doing such an amazing job of suppressing everything in her Erinyes nature and exhibiting all the qualities of a Succubus that, at some point, she effectively is a succubus and the distinction is purely academic :)




:)

[salmag]

Some good points, but that vaunt technology is a fusion of technology and magic resulting in what one could call a new kind of magic, hence it may not function on all of the rules we are used to seeing. Though there seems to not be anything particularly new about magic being fused with technology, necromancy seems to be an exception there. Trying to think of something in the game that would constitute necromancy and technology being fused together, I can't seem to come up with anything aside from that vaunt device.

There is a possibility that The Lord Of Blades had an ulterior motive when he appeared at the end of the soul survivor quest, if I were him I would have taken the already destroyed devices as to restore and recreate them. The Lord of Blades has pretty good memory, pretty sure it is an advanced photographic memory, if so he would have only needed to glance at research notes and blueprints before destroying them in order to retain the information they held. In other words, him being the one to appear at the end of that quest is plenty to be suspicious about, especially when his body is something that could be recreated at least aesthetically speaking and the soulsplitter works perfectly well on Warforged! Reverse engineering the soul splitter to make a cognitive duplicate of himself seems to have all motivations for doing so perfectly in line. The same could be said for Malicia if she were to want to lay low for a bit or create an effective diversion regarding her where-abouts. Also, if Malicia's home plane really is in Mabar as the Good Intentions quest concludes, Malicia making a Copy of herself to be killed in Mabar as to suggest that Mabar wasn't actually her home plane would make perfect sense as a strategy to divert the players from the truth as when she comes back after her copy is killed in Mabar, she can convincingly claim that Mabar was not her home plane either and so the chances people would try to kill her there again would be significantly reduced..... as the risk would not be worth it. However this then would give her motive to silence those who know about the copy of her that would have been made in which could open up some even more interesting storylines!

If Carver can make copies of himself, I'm sure Malicia can have some copies made.

[Arkat]

I'd buy that for a dollar!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc

[Kutalp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc


Lol. Good catch.

[AlmGhandi]

video

Yes!

[Noir]

Malicia is not from Eberron side. I am sure she has many tricks such as Polymorph. (Remember Inquisitor Gnomon ?) Who knows ?

Eberron lore seems to be wholly different to the "Greyhawk" lore that all my planar perceptions
Regarding D&D are based upon. And what the editions of the Monster Manual I have support.

in "Greyhawk"
All Devils call the 9 Planes of Hell home.
All Demons call the 666 layers of the Abyss home.

However DDO is based on Eberron Planer Lore.
I'm no expert but it is detailed at this Link (https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Planes_of_Eberron)

[AlmGhandi]

Home is where the heart is....

[Kutalp]

Eberron lore seems to be wholly different to the "Greyhawk" lore that all my planar perceptions
Regarding D&D are based upon. And what the editions of the Monster Manual I have support.

in "Greyhawk"
All Devils call the 9 Planes of Hell home.
All Demons call the 666 layers of the Abyss home.

However DDO is based on Eberron Planer Lore.
I'm no expert but it is detailed at this Link (https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Planes_of_Eberron)








Indeed.

But it is clearly stated that Malicia is not from Eberron setting nor Shavarath. She is a fugutive being. She pretends to be what Devils or Demons want to see. She is clearly working for herself ,taking advantage of different planar beings and realms.

I think she may be working for a deity between the planes.

[sago]

The most beautiful and striking of all lesser and greater devils, the erinyes are fierce and disciplined warriors. Sweeping down from the skies, they bring swift death to creatures that have wronged their masters or defied the edicts of Asmodeus. The erinyes appear as male or female humanoids with statuesque builds and large feathery wings. Most wear stylized armor and horned helms, and carry exquisite swords and bows. A few also use ropes of entanglement to ensnare powerful foes.
Legends tell that the first erinyes were angels that fell from the Upper Planes because of temptation or misdeed. Erinyes are always willing to take advantage of being mistaken for celestials in their missions of conquest and corruption.

Pretty sure the first sign of... Malicia.

Under the Big Top
The Traveling Troubadors arrived in Stormreach a few months ago. Like many freelance entertainers, they pay fees to House Phiarlan for the privilege of performing in their Enclave.

Phiarlan Carnival

Under the Big Top

Cerise tracked the Maleficent Cabal leader, Malicia, to the Traveling Troubadors in the House Phiarlan Enclave.

You've been tasked with going in and assassinating Malicia.

This is the fourth and final quest in the Phiarlan Carnival story arc.

[AlmGhandi]

The most beautiful and striking of all lesser and greater devils...


Can I get 20p for my bus ride home?

[Kutalp]

Can I get 20p for my bus ride home?


I cast Mass teleport fer ye ?

[FlavoredSoul]

Indeed.

But it is clearly stated that Malicia is not from Eberron setting nor Shavarath. She is a fugutive being. She pretends to be what Devils or Demons want her to see. She is clearly working for herself ,taking advantage of different planar beings and realms.

I think she may be working for a deity between the planes.

All we know is that she isn't from Eberron (the dragon between, aka the prime material) nor from Shavarath (the battleground). We also know she was summoned from Mabar at least once which puts it at the top of the list of planes she could be from.

The Contenders are in order of likeliness.

1: Mabar (the endless night)
2: The Abyss
3: Baator (the 9 hells)
4: Khyber

[AlmGhandi]

I cast Mass teleport fer ye ?

Melonionia I find you at last! <3

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

At least so far our sentient gems have been more generic and less one specific person, so releasing a "Malicia Jewel" would require us to make it not Malicia. Theoretically possible, although nothing to announce.

A synthetic copy of Malicia isn't Malicia though, it's just a cheap copy according to what we could expect from Malicia's own standards :)

"At least so far"......... well at least so far there is only one raid exclusive sentient jewel, but really it isn't enough to have "earned" its place as raid loot. (Sentient Jewel Of The Covetous), heck I've been after that sentient jewel for too long and it isn't even purchasable through raid runes!

Should raid sentient jewels be a thing? Yes indeed, but they should be based on popularity between the players. Right now, Malicia is the most popular sentient jewel candidate, hopefully if people get their Malicia there will be more people pushing for a Yaulthoon jewel. But then again, a lot of people also want a Lord Of Blades themed sentient jewel, I wouldn't mind one for my Syranian Bastard Sword but what I am really wanting is a Yaulthoon one! Realistically, high demand sentient jewels are something I could only expect like three times a year max.

Anyhow, one of the forum goers here mentioned "Simulacrum Sentient Jewels".... in which based on the limitations of what sentient weapons can say, might be best.

"Simulacrum Of Malicia Sentient Jewel"
"Simulacrum Of The Lord Of Blades Sentient Jewel"
"Simulacrum Of Yaulthoon Sentient Jewel"
"Simulacrum Of Erandis Vol Sentient Jewel"
"Simulacrum Of The Truthful One Sentient Jewel"

All of these could be possible :)

If you were to make a raid with five new sentient jewels in it though, throwing in three new mounts and some kind of crafting system for making unique end game trinket slot items and end game offhand items (Orbs, bucklers shields etc.). You'd have a well rounded raid that might have a better longevity than other raids in the game!

Make sure to include Skeletal Horse mount though, the giant squirrel mount I want isn't too popular but the skeletal horse is. I had to suggest a giant squirrel mount and though it was popular to a handful of people, it probably wouldn't be suggested by anyone if I had not put the image of a caffeine powered mount with a fluffy twitchy tail in everyone's head, but that skeletal horse one has several people who seemed to have come to the conclusion that a skeletal horse would be awesome all on their own

The creative possibilities in DDO excite me!

I am saddened though not to have seen a pun staff based off of Staphylococcus "The Staff Of Lococcus", so much potential there that it is painful to not see it being made use of! I had a Staph infection before, it was horrible.... you could definitely weaponize that for an in game Staff!

This game needs more puns, perhaps you could try out how your translation of this "The Staff Of Lococcus" would be received through one of your pen and paper D&D sessions?

Anyhow, there are a lot of entertaining new replies to this post and I am enjoying them, a few new interesting theories too! ^_^

[kmoustakas]

My bard would definatelly slot a Malicia sentient jewel

[Saekee]

you can just make it a generic succubus/alluring gem you know, and the voice just so happen to resemble Malicia.
you ought to consider a male version too