Just Do It Already

[Zaglor]

1. In regards a server merge, so far I'm level 17 and have grouped up maybe twice? possibly three times. This is beginning to feel more like a single player MMO.
2. Why would you be for/against the merge?
3. Is it because you're on a 12 year old computer that probably couldn't handle that many players on screen at once?
4. Do you think the lack of other players drives off new players?
5. Would you rather have an actual MMO experience with the possibility of 4-9 months of lag or have DDO continue on the path its on and glide to its death? (Yes I realize the game still has many years to come however those may be spent playing single player.)
6. Do you think the servers could currently handle that many players in the same areas? In the old days we had separate instances of the same places (The Market 1-5)
7. If the servers couldn't handle it maybe its time for SSG to upgrade their hardware. I actually own an old WoW server blade from 2010 that housed thousands at a time and even then the tech is pretty outdated, my personal pc has more RAM than it does. (64G) (WoW may be more optimized than ddo however there are still that many people connecting to the server)
8. Why couldn't Guilds be moved over? That information has to be stored somewhere.
9. How do you think it should be handled?
I want your opinion My Home server is Cannith. If we all gather in the marketplace in our skivvies and protest this could actually happen.

[Clemeit]

1. In regards a server merge, so far I'm level 17 and have grouped up maybe twice? possibly three times. This is beginning to feel more like a single player MMO.
2. Why would you be for/against the merge?
3. Is it because you're on a 12 year old computer that probably couldn't handle that many players on screen at once?
4. Do you think the lack of other players drives off new players?
5. Would you rather have an actual MMO experience with the possibility of 4-9 months of lag or have DDO continue on the path its on and glide to its death? (Yes I realize the game still has many years to come however those may be spent playing single player.)
6. Do you think the servers could currently handle that many players in the same areas? In the old days we had separate instances of the same places (The Market 1-5)
7. If the servers couldn't handle it maybe its time for SSG to upgrade their hardware. I actually own an old WoW server blade from 2010 that housed thousands at a time and even then the tech is pretty outdated, my personal pc has more RAM than it does. (64G) (WoW may be more optimized than ddo however there are still that many people connecting to the server)
8. Why couldn't Guilds be moved over? That information has to be stored somewhere.
9. How do you think it should be handled?
I want your opinion My Home server is Cannith. If we all gather in the marketplace in our skivvies and protest this could actually happen.

1. Was that a question?
2. I'm against server merges because it causes lag. And stuff. Yeah.
3. If I can't run this game on a potato I want a refund. This game should be available to anyone, even if they don't have internet access or computers.
4. No no no. New players looove ghost towns.
5. I prefer a slow and drawn-out death to a quick and spectacular one.
6. No, definitely not. The servers used to handle large amounts of players just fine but since technology progresses backwards it would never work today.
7. ?
8. Because some guild names might conflict and a few guilds would have to change names. Obviously game-breaking. /not signed
9. It shouldn't happen. 100 players online is more than enough for my taste. There's nothing wrong here. Move along.
9b. You don't speak for the community.

Thank you for taking the time to read my application to the 2020 DDO Player's Council.

[Zaglor]

1. Was that a question?
2. I'm against server merges because it causes lag. And stuff. Yeah.
3. If I can't run this game on a potato I want a refund. This game should be available to anyone, even if they don't have internet access or computers.
4. No no no. New players looove ghost towns.
5. I prefer a slow and drawn-out death to a quick and spectacular one.
6. No, definitely not. The servers used to handle large amounts of players just fine but since technology progresses backwards it would never work today.
7. ?
8. Because some guild names might conflict and a few guilds would have to change names. Obviously game-breaking. /not signed
9. It shouldn't happen. 100 players online is more than enough for my taste. There's nothing wrong here. Move along.
9b. You don't speak for the community.
I speak for the community. I speak for ALL OF XEN'DRIK.
p.s. Do you live on the fourms?
p.s.s cant tell which points you're being sarcastic about.

[Clemeit]

p.s. Do you live on the fourms?
Yes.


p.s.s cant tell which points you're being sarcastic about.
Yes.

[fatherpirate]

Bottom Line

Empty servers scare away new players.
We need new players.
DDO can (and does) create new instances when needed. It did it during the HC League
(Whom many loved because it had a population)
NWO does it...ONE SERVER (many instanced areas) 1 shared chat...so folks can find each other.
JUST DO IT

ONE SERVER - multiple instances

[Sinetic]

Empty servers scare away new players.
We need new players.
DDO can (and does) create new instances when needed. It did it during the HC League
(Whom many loved because it had a population)
NWO does it...ONE SERVER (many instanced areas) 1 shared chat...so folks can find each other.

this is spot on. MMOs are more fun with more players. They should at least implement cross-server grouping

[droid327]

You know what scares off new people even more? Reading that "DDO just merged servers" - they hear that, they assume its in the last stages of life and dont even bother to install in the first place.

Also even if you merge servers, you're not going to suddenly magically have 20 LFGs open for every quest at all times. Its not just a population issue, its a gameplay issue, grouping isnt always the most effective way to play.

Then yeah, you have to deal with all the issues of name priority and guild ownership - a lot of players invested real money in their guilds, which you cant take with you if you're Trail of Tears-ed off your home server just to become content for people that dont like soloing.

Cross-server grouping is a better solution with much less downside. But improvements to grouping mechanics, I think, would have a bigger impact than population-based approaches. Make it easier to find and group with the people that are already there trying to group, reduce downtime spent forming and assembling parties so you're not discouraged from doing it.

[Gniewomir]

You know what scares off new people even more? Reading that "DDO just merged servers" - they hear that, they assume its in the last stages of life and dont even bother to install in the first place.

Also even if you merge servers, you're not going to suddenly magically have 20 LFGs open for every quest at all times. Its not just a population issue, its a gameplay issue, grouping isnt always the most effective way to play.

Then yeah, you have to deal with all the issues of name priority and guild ownership - a lot of players invested real money in their guilds, which you cant take with you if you're Trail of Tears-ed off your home server just to become content for people that dont like soloing.

Cross-server grouping is a better solution with much less downside. But improvements to grouping mechanics, I think, would have a bigger impact than population-based approaches. Make it easier to find and group with the people that are already there trying to group, reduce downtime spent forming and assembling parties so you're not discouraged from doing it.

You know ddo already merged servers once? So it seems like this last stage of life is already here for like 10 years.

Btw right now im on Sarlona and i'm literally the only player at my lvl (12). So yeah, definitely a gameplay issue.

Cross-server grouping? Sure, why not. Merges? Sure, why not. Anything? Sure, why not.

[Zaglor]

You know what scares off new people even more? Reading that "DDO just merged servers" - they hear that, they assume its in the last stages of life and dont even bother to install in the first place.

Also even if you merge servers, you're not going to suddenly magically have 20 LFGs open for every quest at all times. Its not just a population issue, its a gameplay issue, grouping isnt always the most effective way to play.

Then yeah, you have to deal with all the issues of name priority and guild ownership - a lot of players invested real money in their guilds, which you cant take with you if you're Trail of Tears-ed off your home server just to become content for people that dont like soloing.

Cross-server grouping is a better solution with much less downside. But improvements to grouping mechanics, I think, would have a bigger impact than population-based approaches. Make it easier to find and group with the people that are already there trying to group, reduce downtime spent forming and assembling parties so you're not discouraged from doing it.

DDO is already on its last legs, the amount of money they make off of VIP's doesn't even cover the coffee budget. You should really make a Lotro account and go and thank everyone there who pays for vip because that is who keeps our servers open.

[Gniewomir]

DDO is already on its last legs, the amount of money they make off of VIP's doesn't even cover the coffee budget. You should really make a Lotro account and go and thank everyone there who pays for vip because that is who keeps our servers open.

Actually i've got no idea about vip, but judging from the amount of players with preorder accessories i'm pretty sure they made a lot of money from ravenloft and sharn, so i'm afraid their budget might be in better condition than we think. I'm saying i'm afraid only cause sometimes i feel DDO needs really critical situation to finally wake up and bring some major changes.

[lyrecono]

this is spot on. MMOs are more fun with more players. They should at least implement cross-server grouping


So there used to be actual players in the game? I always wondered if i imagined you all, i just assumed more and more dissapeared as they upped the meds..... XD

But yeah, just merge already, it's time people upgraded their C64 for a real pc.

[goldgolem]

You know what scares off new people even more? Reading that "DDO just merged servers" - they hear that, they assume its in the last stages of life and dont even bother to install in the first place.



If thats true, the way to improve the game is to add new servers. Genius.

[Warrax23]

Honestly I don't really think "guilds" matter as much anymore. It's more about Discord Channels (Teamspeak etc)

SO my suggestion would be this. Create a new server. Allow free transfers to that server. (Add a large airship in the plaza with all of the guild amenities, permanently) *Yes you can still form guilds and grind your "personal ones" but everyone has everything from the boat that would require people to regrind stuff for free.

This isn't a perfect solution, but it's at least something perhaps better. Noone is forced to do anything, but you have a choice.

[Amundir]

This isn't a perfect solution, but it's at least something perhaps better. Noone is forced to do anything, but you have a choice.

No one is forced to do anything right now. You have the choice to pay for a server transfer if you so desire.

[Warrax23]

No one is forced to do anything right now. You have the choice to pay for a server transfer if you so desire.

You're right, and when we stop paying? And you have to get FORCED to go to another game, your comment can follow you. :)

[Zaglor]

So there used to be actual players in the game? I always wondered if i imagined you all, i just assumed more and more dissapeared as they upped the meds..... XD

But yeah, just merge already, it's time people upgraded their C64 for a real pc.

Thank you. I just built a ryzen based system and got a RTX card lol.

[AlmGhandi]

1. In regards a server merge, so far I'm level 17 and have grouped up maybe twice? possibly three times. This is beginning to feel more like a single player MMO.
2. Why would you be for/against the merge?
3. Is it because you're on a 12 year old computer that probably couldn't handle that many players on screen at once?
4. Do you think the lack of other players drives off new players?
5. Would you rather have an actual MMO experience with the possibility of 4-9 months of lag or have DDO continue on the path its on and glide to its death? (Yes I realize the game still has many years to come however those may be spent playing single player.)
6. Do you think the servers could currently handle that many players in the same areas? In the old days we had separate instances of the same places (The Market 1-5)
7. If the servers couldn't handle it maybe its time for SSG to upgrade their hardware. I actually own an old WoW server blade from 2010 that housed thousands at a time and even then the tech is pretty outdated, my personal pc has more RAM than it does. (64G) (WoW may be more optimized than ddo however there are still that many people connecting to the server)
8. Why couldn't Guilds be moved over? That information has to be stored somewhere.
9. How do you think it should be handled?
I want your opinion My Home server is Cannith. If we all gather in the marketplace in our skivvies and protest this could actually happen.

1. How many of your LFMs stay empty?

2. Join a guild, play with friends. Why would I be for a merge? I am happy as things are. I usually have to work hard to turn the drive to group down (Orien)

3. No.

4. No.

5. The question makes no sense. Things are fine as they are. There is more than enough grouping going on for people who care to find it (Orien - maybe come to Orien?).

6. I do.

7. I own a scarf I wore 40 years ago to school. The effect is not the same today. I also used to own a sock I found, but I never got to try it out (it fell apart in the washing machine).

8: Maybe because it would be too complicated. Conflicting information, guilds existing on all servers (what happens when Orien merges with other servers that have "Merry Hobbits"? who wins the resource/name fight?? Who gets refunded for stuff spent on ships? Are there satisfying answers to this issue? How can there be satisfying answers to this issue when we do not know how guilds work?).

9. I don't think servers should merge. I am fine as I am. I think if people are having problems on their server they should reach more out to people, post their own LFMs, maybe even transfer themselves to a server with a higher population. Maybe someone could make a thread "if you are lonely transfer to "Cannith" and we can make bigger groups"? I think there is nothing to see here... and it is time to move along.

[Fenrisulven7]

No one is forced to do anything right now. You have the choice to pay for a server transfer if you so desire.

It's true. I favor a server merge... But if I'm SSG, I'm weighing noise on the forums against the actual number of toon transfers. How motivated are the players really?

If the community was TRULY motivated to merge servers because they want to group up, word would get around to which server is the Chosen One and peeps would be paying to transfer their main toons over.

Money talks, bs walks. There is nothing stopping us from polling for the Chosen Server and then moving over.

If we can't even jumpstart that, why should SSG take us seriously? Our complaints just get drowned out by all the other Outrages of the Week. (horses, lag, daily dice tables, etc)

[HedgeHogShadow]

It's not an option for someone with 36 characters. Even if I only took my 4 main toons plus 5 or 6 bank mules (which would throw away a lot of crafted gear & such), how much dough is that, $300?

[Fenrisulven7]

It's not an option for someone with 36 characters. Even if I only took my 4 main toons plus 5 or 6 bank mules (which would throw away a lot of crafted gear & such), how much dough is that, $300?

Transfers cost 2495 DDO points. Assuming you paid the current rate of $35 for 3150 points, it would cost you $27.72 per toon.

For 4 mains that comes to $110.88. Throw in 6 mules (with must have? gear) at $166.32 for a total of $277.20. That wouldn't have to be all at once, although you could do it for $220 if you bought DDO pts in bulk ($200 + $20 = 24,600 DDO pts) But I wouldn't bother with the alts, only because I've "won" video games where I wound up occupying barren terrain - what good is all that gear if there is no one to play with? Of course, YMMV.

And while I would agree that even $110 for 4 toons is pricey, if grouping was that important to me, it would be worth more than $100.

Hell, most the alts I've created are parked at various lvls just so I can always hop on one to join an LFM and play.

[Brutuscass]

Transfers cost 2495 DDO points. Assuming you paid the current rate of $35 for 3150 points, it would cost you $27.72 per toon.

For 4 mains that comes to $110.88. Throw in 6 mules (with must have? gear) at $166.32 for a total of $277.20. That wouldn't have to be all at once, although you could do it for $220 if you bought DDO pts in bulk ($200 + $20 = 24,600 DDO pts) But I wouldn't bother with the alts, only because I've "won" video games where I wound up occupying barren terrain - what good is all that gear if there is no one to play with? Of course, YMMV.

And while I would agree that even $110 for 4 toons is pricey, if grouping was that important to me, it would be worth more than $100.

Hell, most the alts I've created are parked at various lvls just so I can always hop on one to join an LFM and play.



This a general follow on and not directed at anyone


it is important that the cost is in points not cash

Points can be bought, but DDO allows the earning of points, a little grind you'll get there

Also VIPS get 500 points per months

you can always go down the create alt, grind alt, delete alt, rinse and repeat route if you want.

If there is a problem look for a solution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1COk2tp7dg

[Gniewomir]

The cost is for server transfer, not per toon, so if you transfer 1 or 31 it is still 2495 DDO points
and it is important that the cost is in points not cash
Points can be bought, but DDO allows the earning of points, a little grind you'll get there
Also VIPS get 500 points per months
you can always go down the create alt, grind alt, delete alt, rinse and repeat route if you want.
If there is a problem look for a solution.




Transferring characters across worlds is a paid service costing 2,495 DP per character

I'm beginning to understand why you're so resistant to facts - you simply lack of basic knowledge. Server transfer is per toon, 10 charcters = 25 000 points, 40 characters - 100 000 points. For example on my previous account i had 11 characters (and none of the was bank toon), to transer them all i would have to pay more than 230$s and i know people who have more alts. Or just have fun grinding 27500 points.


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[Grandern_Marn]

If combining servers is going to double the lag then no way.

I found a full and rocking pug group last night, we did the whole of Epic Gianthold and a bit of Sharn, a good 3 or 4 hour session.
That was on Orien, in the morning on a week day east coast Americas. That is fine grouping by me.

[Brutuscass]

I'm beginning to understand why you're so resistant to facts - you simply lack of basic knowledge. Server transfer is per toon, 10 charcters = 25 000 points, 40 characters - 100 000 points. For example on my previous account i had 11 characters (and none of the was bank toon), to transer them all i would have to pay more than 230$s and i know people who have more alts. Or just have fun grinding 27500 points.


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You are in fact correct and I an wrong here and admit my error in this case, I am only human.

Still I don't think that the solution is continuously complaining about something you can not change, you ask why Chinese players where of interest on the Thread that you choose to introduce yourselves to me on, and yes I made a simple mistake there in assuming that you were new to the forum based on the date on profile, I should have known better. but there was no rational need for your reaction there, but putting that in the past and moving on.

The Chinese Server experience discussed here https://ddowiki.com/page/Chinese_servers is rather relevant to the discussion as a warning, one which I hope SSG has fully considered and one that we should consider.

[Amundir]

How many years have people been asking for server merges? How many years has that been to acrew ddo points by playing the game? How many times has the ddo store offered double or triple point offers? The price of a character transfer is not in a vaccum.

I'm simply saying, you can either pay for a transfer or wait for SSG to do a server merge. I have my opinion on which is more likely to happen sooner than the other.

[concavenator]

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[Gniewomir]

You are in fact correct and I an wrong here and admit my error in this case, I am only human.

Still I don't think that the solution is continuously complaining about something you can not change, you ask why Chinese players where of interest on the Thread that you choose to introduce yourselves to me on, and yes I made a simple mistake there in assuming that you were new to the forum based on the date on profile, I should have known better. but there was no rational need for your reaction there, but putting that in the past and moving on.

The Chinese Server experience discussed here https://ddowiki.com/page/Chinese_servers is rather relevant to the discussion as a warning, one which I hope SSG has fully considered and one that we should consider.


I know i'm right, cause before any attempts of replying to you your post i did my reasearch and i checked wiki to make sure i won't provide inaccurate informations.

Also i never said anything about chinese players, i don't have any knowledge about their presence/feelings etc. And i've got no problem with assuming i'm new based on forum date, i've got a problem with suggesting that someone new to forum/game got no right to share his opinion about the condition of game population. If you'll read any of basic P. Zimbardo psychology manuals (like psychology and life) you'll know there's many hard-to-avoid thinking stereotypes affecting someone who is doing something for longer period of time (here: playing the game). I cannot provide exact names, i never read those books in original, so i know only versions translated to my mother tongue, but i assure you in first few chapters you'll find a lot of information about how human brain can trick consciousness into being misguided by own feelings. Thats why new players might not know everything, but by definition they're less biased source of information than someone deeply attached to game like you, me or everyone here. So even if you would be correct in believing im new, you would be still totally blindfolded to suggest my opinion is less accurate cause of not spending years in game.

Of course i could move on, but honestly i didn't expected 2 weeks after coming back to game will be enough to sincerely not like someone, but you won this competition. After mentioned above situation, for a very short moment, my opinion about you was slighty better, but then i started seeing more samples of your behaviour and it collapsed back to lvl -1. In my opinion you're somewhere between just trolling and living in denial, immune to any facts/other people points of view, deliberately providing false facts, avoiding any mature conversation and dodging all the facts that don't agree with your point of view. Whats more deliberately trying to destroy other people reputation in attempts of making what they say irrelevant instead of trying to use any arguments to support your own standpoint. Whats more being hypocrite, trying to convice spectators that someone said something, what he didn't or suggesting he's doing something what he's not only not doing, but also what you're (as the only one) doing all the time.

Altought i agree here (about transfer cost) it could be simple mistake, cause i believe lying about something so undefendable and against well know facts couldnt be done deliberately. Still - since devs are adding character slots pretty regularly we can assume people are using them. There's 3 f2p, 5 for premium, 11 vip character slots, 30 buyable in store, +1-3 with expansion bundles and if i remember correctly there was one slot for everyone before one of expansions or anniversary (im pretty sure it was connected with veteran status bonus days, but i do not remember when exactly it was). Still, assuming someone do use all available slots it would be... more than 1000$s to change server. Lets say 800$ if you buy points on double points event like someone suggested. Pretty ridiculous price for changing server in 15 years old mmo game, don't you think? I'm not sure is it much in US or not, but in my country it's around median earning. What means more than half of all people working in my country couldnt afford server change after working 8 hours a day for entire month.

[Livmo]

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[Fenrisulven7]

In my opinion you're somewhere between just trolling and living in denial, immune to any facts/other people points of view, deliberately providing false facts, avoiding any -

C'mon now, the guy admitted he made a mistake, that he was wrong. How often does that happen on these forums? I can't remember the last time someone apologized for being wrong.

Go easier.

[Gniewomir]

C'mon now, the guy admitted he made a mistake, that he was wrong. How often does that happen on these forums? I can't remember the last time someone apologized for being wrong.

Go easier.

Nope, he only said he made a mistake assuming i'm new player and already told him like 3 times in different threads i don't mind it and assuming im new is not why his behaviour was inappropriate. You didnt read my post carefully, here's quote: And i've got no problem with assuming i'm new based on forum date, i've got a problem with suggesting that someone new to forum/game got no right to share his opinion

Also like i said above - for a short period of time i thought that maybe he made just one stupid thing, but then i saw him treating other players, his behaviour when he don't agree with something in multiple threads and thats why i honestly admit i don't like him and consider him exactly what i said. For example even in this thread he says i'm asking why chinese players etc. etc. Feel free to check all my posts since creation of the account, i've never said single thing about chinese players, it's just one more disinformation.

[TedSandyman]

1. In regards a server merge, so far I'm level 17 and have grouped up maybe twice? possibly three times. This is beginning to feel more like a single player MMO.
2. Why would you be for/against the merge?
3. Is it because you're on a 12 year old computer that probably couldn't handle that many players on screen at once?
4. Do you think the lack of other players drives off new players?
5. Would you rather have an actual MMO experience with the possibility of 4-9 months of lag or have DDO continue on the path its on and glide to its death? (Yes I realize the game still has many years to come however those may be spent playing single player.)
6. Do you think the servers could currently handle that many players in the same areas? In the old days we had separate instances of the same places (The Market 1-5)
7. If the servers couldn't handle it maybe its time for SSG to upgrade their hardware. I actually own an old WoW server blade from 2010 that housed thousands at a time and even then the tech is pretty outdated, my personal pc has more RAM than it does. (64G) (WoW may be more optimized than ddo however there are still that many people connecting to the server)
8. Why couldn't Guilds be moved over? That information has to be stored somewhere.
9. How do you think it should be handled?
I want your opinion My Home server is Cannith. If we all gather in the marketplace in our skivvies and protest this could actually happen.

I don't want a merge or any headaches it might cause.

I want one or more servers shut down and the players forced to move (for free) to a different server using the current account transfer ability.

Specifically I want Cannith shut down.

Same effect as a "merge" with no headaches.

[Gniewomir]

I don't want a merge or any headaches it might cause.

I want one or more servers shut down and the players forced to move (for free) to a different server using the current account transfer ability.

Specifically I want Cannith shut down.

Same effect as a "merge" with no headaches.

I might be wrong, but i think there's no account transfer right now, only character transfer like:


You lose the items in your reincarnation cache, forever.
Account-wide bank stays on the original server.
Monster Manual rewards (ability to see HP as well as any pets) stay on your original server.
Accumulated favor travels with you; however, per-server benefits unlocked by favor do not transfer.
Your Astral Shard balance stays on your original server.
A basic rule of thumb: Anything character specific with the exception of the reincarnation cache will move with you. Anything shared between characters, and this includes Companions and your Monster Manual Account Deeds in addition to the things listed above, remains behind.
+ guilds, airships etc

Not a perfect solution i would say.

[Ziggypaper2]

It's true. I favor a server merge... But if I'm SSG, I'm weighing noise on the forums against the actual number of toon transfers. How motivated are the players really?

If the community was TRULY motivated to merge servers because they want to group up, word would get around to which server is the Chosen One and peeps would be paying to transfer their main toons over.

Money talks, bs walks. There is nothing stopping us from polling for the Chosen Server and then moving over.

If we can't even jumpstart that, why should SSG take us seriously? Our complaints just get drowned out by all the other Outrages of the Week. (horses, lag, daily dice tables, etc)

True.