Named drop rates?

[Drunkendex]

What are drop rates of named items?

I've read somewhere that elite run has 33% chance (not in my experience, just ran entire KotB chain on EE and got 1 named, and ransacked Multitude of menace on HE, since I farm heroic Slice, and no named in 8 runs)

I've had better drop rates, but never even close to being 33%, at best ~20%.

Are numbers I found false, or am I just really unlucky (or vi flagged).

[Aelonwy]

What are drop rates of named items?

I've read somewhere that elite run has 33% chance (not in my experience, just ran entire KotB chain on EE and got 1 named, and ransacked Multitude of menace on HE, since I farm heroic Slice, and no named in 8 runs)

I've had better drop rates, but never even close to being 33%, at best ~20%.

Are numbers I found false, or am I just really unlucky (or vi flagged).

Officially wi/vi whatever flag isn't a thing in DDO but who really knows? According to devs drop rate is 32 or 33% on elite, 16% on hard, and I don't remember normal rates. Additionally, each level of Reaper is supposed to add an additional +1% up to 42 or 43% on reaper 10. I want to say you're just being unlucky but most of my characters can ransack chests on HE and get one or zero named items while people I'm grouped with get stuff every other chest. I guess it evens out but it really bites to be the one on the fuzzy end of the lollipop.

[Drunkendex]

I guess it evens out but it really bites to be the one on the fuzzy end of the lollipop.

My feelings exactly. ;)

[C-Dog]

What are drop rates of named items?

I've read somewhere that elite run has 33% chance ...
Remember that's only on "newer" quests*; older packs have diff drop rates, and often favor one named item over another making some more rare than others.

(* Not sure where the cut-point for "newer/older" is re this, maybe a couple/few years, maybe a bit more?)


And, yeah, I have to wonder at times about that "33%" value, too. I try to just accept it as "it is what it is, whatever that is, even if it's not as advertised". :/

[Nonesuch2008]

I think there are three named loot drop rate settings (for my toons, at least): Non-existent, Feeble, and Mediocre. Except for certain items, where if I manage to pull one, I will certainly pull another one of the same thing before too long.

[Mofus]

Ran the level 13 Archons quests on R1 along with both lordsmarch chains on R1, No drops either. Seems like some thing is off, not sure though, could just be bad luck.

[Seph1roth5]

The devs said that elite had a ~33% drop rate around the time ravenloft came out I believe, but I'm not sure if that means that ALL elite quests had that drop rate or just that RL happened to have it.

[Drunkendex]

The devs said that elite had a ~33% drop rate around the time ravenloft came out I believe, but I'm not sure if that means that ALL elite quests had that drop rate or just that RL happened to have it.

Which means I really am unlucky, since I pull maybe one named every 5 qualifying (can drop named) chest in RL, and as insult to injury, half of them are Barovian/Morninglord weapons.

[Cantor]

Ran the level 13 Archons quests on R1 along with both lordsmarch chains on R1, No drops either. Seems like some thing is off, not sure though, could just be bad luck.

All old stuff. As said above it's the rule for newish content.

[acemonkey]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/495963-new-gold-dice-roll-item-lesser-elixir-of-discovery?p=6091545#post6091545

There's the source of the droprate information. It would be great if a dev would mention exactly when it became standard. My guess is it kicked in when most content went to 5 named items per chest, around update 29-30.

I've had very standard luck with the chests from 4 iconic lives worth of reaper missions last couple weeks, including farming a couple specific named items from Sharn and KOTB. Some took more than 2 ransacks, some dropped fairly quick.

[Lynnabel]

All old stuff. As said above it's the rule for newish content.

Archon's Pack is definitely "new" as far as drop rates are concerned. I'm not at the office so I can't 100% verify, but I believe the delineation is everything newer than ToEE.

[smokejumper89]

Officially wi/vi whatever flag isn't a thing in DDO

What exactly is "wi/vi" flag?

[acemonkey]

What exactly is "wi/vi" flag?

https://asheron.fandom.com/wiki/Wi_Flag

Old bug from Asheron's call, a game Turbine did before LOTRO/DDO.

[smokejumper89]

https://asheron.fandom.com/wiki/Wi_Flag

Old bug from Asheron's call, a game Turbine did before LOTRO/DDO.

Ahhh... that takes me back.

Yeah, I don't believe a bug from AC could have made it into DDO(though they seem to share some code-base) still, I definitely think something is "off" if EE is *supposed* to have a 33% drop rate. I haven't seen anything even remotely close to that. My own experience has been more like 3%. Maybe 10% if we really stress the definition of "named item". Granted, it's still possible to get things on those rates, but it definitely stings.

[cdbd3rd]

https://asheron.fandom.com/wiki/Wi_Flag

Old bug from Asheron's call, a game Turbine did before LOTRO/DDO.


Ahhh... that takes me back.

Yeah, I don't believe a bug from AC could have made it into DDO(though they seem to share some code-base) still, I definitely think something is "off" if EE is *supposed* to have a 33% drop rate. I haven't seen anything even remotely close to that. My own experience has been more like 3%. Maybe 10% if we really stress the definition of "named item". Granted, it's still possible to get things on those rates, but it definitely stings.

Some call it a "bug"
Some call it "Hidden Loot Luck Score.".

;) :p

[Saekee]

Multitude of Menace was infamous for its drop rates for its mostly now-outdated loot

ToEE just ransack the pyramid chest and hit the occasional rare on the way. This assumes you do not want to ‘craft’ something out of there.

[smokejumper89]

Multitude of Menace was infamous for its drop rates for its mostly now-outdated loot

ToEE just ransack the pyramid chest and hit the occasional rare on the way. This assumes you do not want to ‘craft’ something out of there.

I remember grinding that one like crazy to get the dagger back when it was actually decent.

[Thrudh]

My own experience has been more like 3%.

I think you need to track your pulls better...

I definitely get around 33%.

If someone says "I feel like I only get 20%", that could be true and just be a product of bad luck for a while....

3% is pretty crazy far off... You running elite or reaper?

[janave]

I dont mind having rarer gear in the game, but the fact that named loot is pretty much took over the the role of RNG loot as well as Crafting is a scary one. Named loot being a static drop at a static spot, should be an aidkit to allow progress in the event we are constantly let down by the dice, rather than the goto kit-all-out roles. It is also competing with event loot, and occasionally with raid loots...

Imo, the sets are a good idea to have, but they are also too strong and too strict, would be much better if they followed a front loaded set progression, eg:

3-SETS
@2 slots => 67%
@3 slots => 100%

4-SETS
@2 => 50%
@3 => 75%
@4 => 100%

5-SETS
@2 => 40%
@3 => 60%
@4 => 80%
@5 => 100%

The statistical drop rates when solo farming one specific piece arent very helpful to be honest, generally that is low enough to occasionally pull each other 3-4 times before the one we are after drops.

[smokejumper89]

I think you need to track your pulls better...

I definitely get around 33%.

If someone says "I feel like I only get 20%", that could be true and just be a product of bad luck for a while....

3% is pretty crazy far off... You running elite or reaper?

I'm tracking them pretty carefully. I've been dual-boxing using a spare account as a chest-puller. I can ransack a quest on R1 with two characters, total 16 chest pulls, and not see a single named-item. This happens with far too much regularity to be the fickle hand of RNG. Then I can hop on another character, run with a group, and maybe get passed the item I want because 2 people will have pulled it. I'd say I average 1 named item per ~30 runs. With Ravenloft that's mostly "nightmother" weapons no one would ever actually use. Very frustrating.



The statistical drop rates when solo farming one specific piece arent very helpful to be honest, generally that is low enough to occasionally pull each other 3-4 times before the one we are after drops.

Just this.

I've talked to multiple people in-game who needed 100+ runs to get a specific item out of Sharn(which has relatively good drop rates). House of Pain seems to be a particularly egregious offender, with farming parties almost daily. I think I once ransacked it on 4 different characters in a single morning without seeing a single item. This was on Heroic EE.

[HungarianRhapsody]

I've talked to multiple people in-game who needed 100+ runs to get a specific item out of Sharn(which has relatively good drop rates). House of Pain seems to be a particularly egregious offender, with farming parties almost daily. I think I once ransacked it on 4 different characters in a single morning without seeing a single item. This was on Heroic EE.

32 runs with zero named items total? or 32 runs without seeing the specific item you wanted?

[smokejumper89]

32 runs with zero named items total? or 32 runs without seeing the specific item you wanted?

Without seeing a single named item total.

[acemonkey]

Without seeing a single named item total.

The odds of that are 2/3^32, or 2.3e-6, I believe, 1 in 413,440. If I remember my die rolling odds, to compute the joint odds of an event, you multiply the odds of each event the number of times the event occurred (or didn't, pov, w/e). So that's 67%x67%x67%... 32 times. The odds of rolling 3 ones on 3d6 would be (1/6)x(1/6)x(1/6)=.0046296, or 1 in 216.

You're more likely to be injured using a toilet, win an oscar, write a best selling novel, get drafted by the NBA, die in a plane crash, get struck by lightning, etc.. Your loot luck is slightly more likely than being killed in a freak fireworks accident (1 in 616.5k) or winning gold at the Olympics (1 in 662k), or getting crushed by a meteor (1 in 700k) so I guess it's possible.

[smokejumper89]

The odds of that are 2/3^32, or 2.3e-6, I believe, 1 in 413,440. If I remember my die rolling odds, to compute the joint odds of an event, you multiply the odds of each event the number of times the event occurred (or didn't, pov, w/e). So that's 67%x67%x67%... 32 times. The odds of rolling 3 ones on 3d6 would be (1/6)x(1/6)x(1/6)=.0046296, or 1 in 216.

You're more likely to be injured using a toilet, win an oscar, write a best selling novel, get drafted by the NBA, die in a plane crash, get struck by lightning, etc.. Your loot luck is slightly more likely than being killed in a freak fireworks accident (1 in 616.5k) or winning gold at the Olympics (1 in 662k), or getting crushed by a meteor (1 in 700k) so I guess it's possible.

Well, I'd certainly like it if two or three of those things happened.

But I think its more likely there's some kind of bug in the drop rates.

[acemonkey]

Well, I'd certainly like it if two or three of those things happened.

But I think its more likely there's some kind of bug in the drop rates.

I dump my named loot in the shared bank and sort/feed it every few lives, and I last did that 5 iconics ago, so 5 runs of r1 house of pain at level or one over, got moonslice, hallowed and family sigil, so 3 of 5 for me. Nothing wrong with house of pain, so you’re either ip shadow loot-banned, or just got unlucky. Have you been harassing devs via pm?

Edit: was moonwillow not moonslice, so 2/5 droprate

[Thrudh]

Without seeing a single named item total.

There must be some kind of bug for your characters then.

Because I've never run the two Sharn sagas (6 quests for Cogs, 7 quests for the city), and not gotten at least 1 item per EACH saga (16%), almost always 2 per each (33%).

When I've been farming for a particular item, and spending shards on chest re-rolls, I pretty much ALWAYS get a named item in 1-4 rolls (maybe not the one I want, but something named). The times where I reroll 3 times (the max you can), and gotten nothing all 4 times is rare enough for me to notice.

[PurpleTimb]

Without seeing a single named item total.

Are you considering all the +3 Quenched Battle Axes as named items? I'm pretty sure the game is.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Without seeing a single named item total.

Oddly, I had a similar experience several weeks ago with the free Lordsmarch quests. The whole chain.

[Krell]

What exactly is "wi/vi" flag?

Wi flagged eventually became gamer slang for bad luck, but it started with a player named Wi that always got mob aggro no matter what and spent a lot of time dead. After the AC devs denied for years there was anything wrong with RNG and mob aggro tables, they finally found the bug related to certain character IDs and fixed it. As a memorial, certain in game items were named after Wi. For a while you could buy mugs and t-shirts that said Wi Flagged - Dying in style.

[Letrii]

Wi flagged eventually became gamer slang for bad luck, but it started with a player named Wi that always got mob aggro no matter what and spent a lot of time dead. After the AC devs denied for years there was anything wrong with RNG and mob aggro tables, they finally found the bug related to certain character IDs and fixed it. As a memorial, certain in game items were named after Wi. For a while you could buy mugs and t-shirts that said Wi Flagged - Dying in style.

But what about the VI part?

[Krell]

But what about the VI part?

Vi is just a mistake or typo. It was always Wi.

[lyrecono]

What are drop rates of named items?

I've read somewhere that elite run has 33% chance (not in my experience, just ran entire KotB chain on EE and got 1 named, and ransacked Multitude of menace on HE, since I farm heroic Slice, and no named in 8 runs)

I've had better drop rates, but never even close to being 33%, at best ~20%.

Are numbers I found false, or am I just really unlucky (or vi flagged).

Back in the day, when the game just went free to play, content would open up first for the vip, a week long acces before the premium.
many players noticed that during the first week, droprates were far, far higher, so many deduced it was to entice the premuim players to buy the content too, after being linked all the juicy loot.

The devs have always denied this, we as players then assumed the devs just tried to cover it up or forgot there was a piece of coding in there that did this (remember when we asked them, a lot of the old crew was gone), wich didn't lend to their credibility.
We as players used to tell newcomers to keep a toon at cap to farm new gear in the first week, since stuff dropped more then.

[janave]

Gonna call `bogus` on Blown Deadlines and Reach the Sky set gloves, nearing 8th ransack, have 3-4 copies of everything else and no gloves... :P. Heroic, at level/overlevel, solo. Tried pulling with 4 different characters.

[Drunkendex]

This can't be WAI...
AGAIN entire KotB chain on EE and no named in any of them...

If it averages on 33% for entire playerbase, someone out there pulls named in every chest that can drop them...