Reaper Endgame THF EK Wizard

[Gilga1]

I did it again… After having fun with some op builds, I came back to my greatest love: THF.

With U42 I tried out pally, now it’s time for a reaper proof, heavy melee THF EK wizard robot!

Fun to play, this build is able to deliver some amazing performances. EK op! (lol)
On this build, I played almost all the 30s R10.
I completed Slavers Pt1 R10 and TOEE Pt2 R10 duo with my trusted bard buddy Vinci.
Here you can see the build in action (thanks Vin for recording):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl3ffyi-RqA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NeJMrBHtUM

But let's get down to the build :)

First of all, the split: Wiz 18, Barb 1, Cleric 1.
Why? Wiz 18 allows EK core 5 (Deflect Arrows triggers every 2 seconds, I like it), and provides 3 lvl 9 spells (Energy Drain, Power Word Kill, Meteor Swarm. Meteor swarm ignores Epic Defensive Stance, useful tool to grab aggro from distance).
Cleric 1 for turn undead (Confront Any Foe is a must on any THF build) and Divine Might.
Barb 1 for movement speed and Intimidate as class skill.

STATS
STR based, CHA, CON. INT as a dump stat. To be honest, on this kind of build I do not think it’s possibile to reach decent DCs without destroying your dps output.
Also, like I wrote, Confront any Foe is a must on a THF build, so you need Charisma to max your turn attempts per rest. So… why Wiz? More feats :)

RACE
Warforged: +15 mp, Improved Power Attack, PRR and I like Bloodrage Chrism on THF robot builds to get healing amp + repair amp (maxing incoming healing hands and so on).

ED
Fury of the Wild. Really? Really.
When I saw the new version of this ED I said to myself: "ok, never mind, it sucks as before…"
I tried it, and I changed my mind: double vorpal on THF, extra melee power, Devastating Blow are nice additions. Based on my experience, adrenalines are pretty good in high skulls.
Twists: Martial Hymn, Haste Boost, Confront any foe, Dance with flowers, Legendary tactics/Cocoon.

ENHANCEMENTS
I spent my ehancements points as follow:
Warforged 6 (+14 free), EK 42, Fal 24 (+1 free), War 4, Rav 4

PLs & REAPER POINTS
I confess… I’m missing the 3rd Scoundrel PL. How can I live without it? Idk.
All my reaper trees are almost completed (+STR, +CHA, +CON). Are PLs and reaper points important in this game? Yes, they are. And yes, with my PLs and reaper points any noob could solo slavers R10…

EQUIPMENT
If reaper points and PLs are important, a good equip is crucial for any successful build.

Helm - Legendary Umber Brim (Improved Quelling Strikes, Insightful Accuracy +16, Insightful Deception +8, Profane Well Rounded +2)
Goggles - Legendary Collective Sight (Constitution +21, Insightful Constitution +10, Quality Resistance +4, +20 Quality MRR)
Necklace - The Family’s Blessing (Quality Assassinate +2, Insightful Armor-Piercing - 16%, Deadly +17, Doublestrike 24%)
Trinket - Bloodrage Chrism (Competence Healing Amplification +83, Calamitous Blows, Bloodrage Defense, Rune-fueled Warding, Unnatural)
Armor - Legendary Umbral Soul (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Repair Amplification +85, Hit Points +81)
Cloak - Legendary Cloak of Balance (Quality Constitution +5, Freedom of Movement, Insightful Seeker 10, Parrying +10, Empty Green Augment Slot)
Wrist - Brand of Kalok Shash (Strength +22, Quality Accuracy +8, Quality Deadly +5, Fire Absorption 53%)
Belt -SL (Sheltering +45, Accuracy +28, Stunning +20, Quality Strength +4)
Ring - SL (Charisma +17, Armor Piercing -28%, Vertigo +20, Quality Charisma +4)
Ring - Circle of Malevolence (Improved Harm 3/Day, Resistance +14, Vitality +60, Insightful Sheltering +23, Intimidate +25, Incite +53)
Gloves - Legendary Hammerfist (Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly +8)
Boots - Legendary Softsole Slippers (Ghostly, Anthem, Perform +22, Insightful Charisma +9))
W –Baz’Morath (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Keen V, Disease: Unholy Tear, Limb Chopper, Fetters of Unreality, +0,5 W)
Torn/Tremor as swap when DR is needed.
LGS Affirmation + Hope as swap to help my buddies with cocoon when needed.
LGS Ooze + Dust as swap for casting lesser death aura and death aura.
IMPORTANT NOTE: death auras proc some LGSs. Having Ooze and Dust quick stacking on surrounding mobs it’s a huge benefit for a melee, specially THF. I can stack by myself vulnerability (Fetters on weapon) + Ooze (LGS+auras) + Dust (LGS+auras).
Please note LGS Ice also procs with auras but the proc rate is abysmal. Useless.
Also, LGS Ooze on auras procs PRR/MRR debuff but oozes never spawn. Poor oozes :(

Why I’m using the outmoded Softsole Slippers boots in my setup? Because I want more turn attempts per rest, and I’m trying to reduce lag avoiding hundreds item swaps. Oh, by the way, I don’t have Relentless Fury but I can swap helm to Executioner just to get that proc ;)

Here are my stats in reaper:

https://i.imgur.com/hwyblJt.png (https://i.imgur.com/hwyblJt.png)

Offensive side, melee power is 286 standing in reaper (excluding damage boost, prowess etc)
Doublestrike is 92% standing.

https://i.imgur.com/YMNsrkF.png (https://i.imgur.com/YMNsrkF.png)

Pros
• Confront any foe makes THF a viable fighting style. Almost…
• Eldritch Tempest and Adrenaline. 50K+ hits in R10… be happy!

https://i.imgur.com/tQz9xO2.png (https://i.imgur.com/tQz9xO2.png)
• Offense and Utility spells: they should not be underestimated. Otto Irresistible Dance, Power words, Sleet Storm (FoM on cloak), Haste+Displacement, Tenser when needed, Dimension Door etc etc. You miss the DCs and spell pen, but you are still a lvl 18 spellcaster. With quicken.
• Pro melee debuffer: Vulnerability on weapon + Ooze and Dust on auras
• Doublestrike 90% standing
• Armor-piercing (in Fury): 104 (28+16+10+50 expose weakness)
• Survivability. Top PRR and MRR for a melee dps build, arcane barrier, deflect arrows every 2 secs...
• Decent mobility: +10% movement from barb, sprint boost
• Baz’ Morath is a big and ugly weapon.

Cons
• THF usual issues. Glancing blows need some love, devs know.
• As front-line soldier and aggro generator, don’t leave home without PLs and reaper points.
• Inquis can ruin your gaming experience. While waiting for a nerf, to get rid of I usually let them die before grabbing aggro.

I’m having a lot of fun with this build.
EK melee THF is a strong option for reaper endgame! (but sshhh…. don’t tell my guild leader O_o)

[Xgya]

Neat build. Really love the concept. Also, thanks for reminding me about Confront being a thing, I tend to forget that one, and it's a pretty powerful tool.

I just wanted to add that Acid Well seems to ignore the range penalties on Epic Defensive Fighting (and Knight's Transformation) as well, so it's an available Meteor Swarm replacement.

[Pilgrim1]

Nice to see more people using ek!

Couple of points: weapon imbues do a lot of damage, i think your missing out on some rather significant damage by not investing into spell power. If you put more emphasis on spell power then i suspect that going 20 wizard for capstone ek will grant you more damage then getting divine power would.

Since you have reconstruct why not focus more on self healing as well? I suspect you could hit 250 repair amp and 800 repaire spell power. Thats just under 5k reconstruct without crits.

Lvl 4 fear spell also bypasses EDF range limitation.

Can you get dc’s to a point where dire charge is viable? What if you swapped out barb for fvs for a diffrent version of divine might to get better dire charge dc? 1 splash of fighter picks up haste boost, save yourself a twist?

This is what i have done on my ek wizzy: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/508973-The-Blackguard
Its undead and prioritizes tanking and self healing, but is rather similar to yours. I may try to drop undead for reconstruct healing and follow your list more. Still passive self healing in r7 is nice (1k/3sec).

[Gilga1]

weapon imbues do a lot of damage, i think your missing out on some rather significant damage by not investing into spell power.

True, weapon imbues can provide good damage. However, they have no synergies with THF and Fury.
To max weapon imbues damage, you should play a different build, focusing on attack speed (SWF). The most interesting option I see is Scoundrel Sorc Fatesinger 18-1-1 with Scion of feywild and Staccato sovereign.
Equip will be more tricky, despite the off-hand slot.



Since you have reconstruct why not focus more on self healing as well?

Why should I self heal (nerfing my dps)? XD
I focus on R10. On R10 self healing requires a lot of effort unless you are playing specific builds (ie fvs, warchanter tier 5 etc).
Be able to reconstruct myself would be terrible (no enhancement repair spellpower available, insightful repair amplification are junk, etc)
Reaper is supposed to have some cooperative play: you heal me, I heal you...
The truth is that I am lucky: my buddies are excellent players, and they take care of me :)
But on Cannith the vast majority of players don't heal, for different reasons ("Hey, I'm raging", "Hey, I'm undead", "Hey, I'm Inqui", "Hey, I'm noob", "Hey, I like to see people die"...)



Can you get dc’s to a point where dire charge is viable? What if you swapped out barb for fvs for a diffrent version of divine might to get better dire charge dc? 1 splash of fighter picks up haste boost, save yourself a twist?

Yes, my dire charge is viable. Both fighter (for haste boost) and fvs (divine presence) are solid options. Investing 8 points in VKF for haste boost is also an option. I prefer movement speed... I'm zerg inside :)



I may try to drop undead for reconstruct healing...

Imho the reason why dropping undead is not self healing, but dps. Investing in Pale Master means you need to skip no mercy and expose weakness.

[psykopeta]

Awesome build! Love the ones who are made in a different way, prolly that other build would have more dps, or with less pl and reaper points may drop efectiveness dramatically, but love the way of thinking of these type of builds, much more than than the "top dps all cloned all the way"

Hey you can even heal undead or other robots and have umd for scroll healing lol

[cru121]

PLs & REAPER POINTS
I confess… I’m missing the 3rd Scoundrel PL. How can I live without it? Idk.

slacker...

[Gilga1]

slacker...

I'm lazy, I know...

[AirbornedChild]

You are complete liar. You cannot get 120+ STR without using +1 STR filigree. It means you cannot get extra damage(direct damage, melee power) from sets. You do not get prowess 10s buff.

Liar again? You said you have 92 % double strike. Well, how much can you get in reality?
6 % from bard
24 % from neck
11 % from gloves
10 % from trinket
9 % from epic PL
3 % from aasimar PL

Just 64 % total. Of course, there is twist in monk ED. And there is 4 % from scion.

Missing 28 %. Where do they come from?

Liar thrice? 286 melee power unbuffed? Really?! Can you show all sources?


I never trust anyone who shown only cut image. I cannot see if you have buffs or not.

So you are just liar.

And... Can you show all sources of such STR? I do not believe you have 2 filigree sets and 120+ str at the same time. Even with all bonuses from pastlifes. Even with WF bonus.

Another addition with criticism. You play THF and said you need only 1 weapon. Truth is that you must have weapon with 3 damade weapon types.
One of them(piercing) - Sireth, the only one high level piercing two handed weapon. Can you tell if there ANY other?
At least 1 bludgeoning weapon. What it would be? Leg moonbeam? Yes. The only one good - it has "vorpal" mod(knockdown).
And slashing damage type. Yes, this axe is good - versus bosses. But it has low crit profile. And with good party you will not make enough hits to regain charges. This means only one thing: for mobs you have to use greatsword. GA vs boss. GS vs mobs.

If you do not understand such simple things - your IQ is less than 100.
Also, you forgot about DR problem. You can twist alignment DR but cannot break metal DR. Using metal augment is good only for boss beater.

[Gilga1]

You are complete liar.

I think there are two possibilities: 1) you're kidding me 2) mmmmh...


You cannot get 120+ STR without using +1 STR filigree.
Well, I'm using the 2x Sucker Punch/One Against Many raid filigrees, so +4 STR :)
Regarding STR, I posted a similar STR+DM breakdown here:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/506448-Reaper-Endgame-THF-Paladin?p=6223451&viewfull=1#post6223451
Feel free to check your math :)


Liar again? You said you have 92 % double strike. Well, how much can you get in reality?
Emh.... 92% standing +6% Ballad Melody Recklessness +30% Reaper's strike = 128%. Please note ds over 100% is completely useless for melees.

https://i.imgur.com/lfRheQm.png (https://i.imgur.com/lfRheQm.png)


I think you are missing some big numbers, lol... 15% artifact set? 5% perfect TWF? 11% from EK (8 cores, 3 Knight's Transformation)?
I'm not using DS twist, my scion is Arborea.



Liar thrice? 286 melee power unbuffed? Really?! Can you show all sources?

Where melee power comes from? Probably you have no idea how artifact+weapon filigrees work (and stack), probably you have no idea how many melee power you can get from items (Reaper boosts, Mythic boosts from weapons, belts, gloves, goggles, rings and trinkets)....



I never trust anyone who shown only cut image. I cannot see if you have buffs or not.
So you are just liar.

Hey, I don't need you to believe me, I'll be happy anyway :)
I play on Cannith and I'm a very nice guy. Often I open my PUGS to everyone and I try to help those who ask me for advice.
Do you think I am lying? That's fine!



Another addition with criticism. You play THF and said you need only 1 weapon. Truth is that you must have weapon with 3 damade weapon types.
One of them(piercing) - Sireth, the only one high level piercing two handed weapon. Can you tell if there ANY other?
At least 1 bludgeoning weapon. What it would be? Leg moonbeam? Yes. The only one good - it has "vorpal" mod(knockdown).
And slashing damage type. Yes, this axe is good - versus bosses. But it has low crit profile. And with good party you will not make enough hits to regain charges. This means only one thing: for mobs you have to use greatsword. GA vs boss. GS vs mobs.
If you do not understand such simple things - your IQ is less than 100.
Also, you forgot about DR problem. You can twist alignment DR but cannot break metal DR. Using metal augment is good only for boss beater.

Are you serious? Are you teaching me how DR works? Did you read my post?
On this build I use Reflection only when I need crystal...

[Vanhooger]

You are complete liar. You cannot get 120+ STR without using +1 STR filigree. It means you cannot get extra damage(direct damage, melee power) from sets. You do not get prowess 10s buff.

Liar again? You said you have 92 % double strike. Well, how much can you get in reality?
6 % from bard
24 % from neck
11 % from gloves
10 % from trinket
9 % from epic PL
3 % from aasimar PL

Just 64 % total. Of course, there is twist in monk ED. And there is 4 % from scion.

Missing 28 %. Where do they come from?

Liar thrice? 286 melee power unbuffed? Really?! Can you show all sources?


I never trust anyone who shown only cut image. I cannot see if you have buffs or not.

So you are just liar.

And... Can you show all sources of such STR? I do not believe you have 2 filigree sets and 120+ str at the same time. Even with all bonuses from pastlifes. Even with WF bonus.

Another addition with criticism. You play THF and said you need only 1 weapon. Truth is that you must have weapon with 3 damade weapon types.
One of them(piercing) - Sireth, the only one high level piercing two handed weapon. Can you tell if there ANY other?
At least 1 bludgeoning weapon. What it would be? Leg moonbeam? Yes. The only one good - it has "vorpal" mod(knockdown).
And slashing damage type. Yes, this axe is good - versus bosses. But it has low crit profile. And with good party you will not make enough hits to regain charges. This means only one thing: for mobs you have to use greatsword. GA vs boss. GS vs mobs.

If you do not understand such simple things - your IQ is less than 100.
Also, you forgot about DR problem. You can twist alignment DR but cannot break metal DR. Using metal augment is good only for boss beater.

Omegalol, you are going against one of the gods of ddo, if you think you know something about the game, it's never enough compared to Tronky. He is meticulous in every single aspect of is build no matter what class/race.
I think you got a self-esteem a bit too high.

[VinX]

One of them(piercing) - Sireth, the only one high level piercing two handed weapon. Can you tell if there ANY other?

As soon as I read sireth, i hope that stuff you wrote was just a joke....

[Capricorpus]

You are complete liar. You cannot get 120+ STR without using +1 STR filigree. It means you cannot get extra damage(direct damage, melee power) from sets. You do not get prowess 10s buff.

Liar again? You said you have 92 % double strike. Well, how much can you get in reality?
6 % from bard
24 % from neck
11 % from gloves
10 % from trinket
9 % from epic PL
3 % from aasimar PL

Just 64 % total. Of course, there is twist in monk ED. And there is 4 % from scion.

Missing 28 %. Where do they come from?

Liar thrice? 286 melee power unbuffed? Really?! Can you show all sources?


I never trust anyone who shown only cut image. I cannot see if you have buffs or not.

So you are just liar.

And... Can you show all sources of such STR? I do not believe you have 2 filigree sets and 120+ str at the same time. Even with all bonuses from pastlifes. Even with WF bonus.

Another addition with criticism. You play THF and said you need only 1 weapon. Truth is that you must have weapon with 3 damade weapon types.
One of them(piercing) - Sireth, the only one high level piercing two handed weapon. Can you tell if there ANY other?
At least 1 bludgeoning weapon. What it would be? Leg moonbeam? Yes. The only one good - it has "vorpal" mod(knockdown).
And slashing damage type. Yes, this axe is good - versus bosses. But it has low crit profile. And with good party you will not make enough hits to regain charges. This means only one thing: for mobs you have to use greatsword. GA vs boss. GS vs mobs.

If you do not understand such simple things - your IQ is less than 100.
Also, you forgot about DR problem. You can twist alignment DR but cannot break metal DR. Using metal augment is good only for boss beater.


Oh dear. Where do I even start? With a warning, I guess. I'm going to use some big words (I know, scary) in my post, so if you ever feel intimidated by that you can either google the definitions (I recommend dictionary.com) or furiously pound your keyboard and call me a liar because words are hard, bless your little heart. Both are equally valid options.

I was planning on breaking down each one of your absurd statements that can only be characterized as "points" in the loosest sense of the word, but given that you seem to have a pretty serious mental block that prevents you from understanding and/or listening to even friendly players I can't imagine that I'd be able to get through to you.

You've made it abundantly clear that you don't have even the most basic of understandings as to how this game works, which is fine, a lot of people don't! There's a phenomenon first described by David Dunning and Justin Kruger called, appropriately, the Dunning-Kruger effect (https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740) that (I'm going to paraphrase here) does a great job at explaining the anecdotal fact that morons generally don't know they're morons. Individuals who are particularly afflicted by this cognitive bias have a tendency to proudly demonstrate their ignorance by popping up in, say, an online forum to expose the rest of us as being bad and wrong.

Unfortunately, cognitive biases aren't exactly "treatable" in the traditional sense, but learning that they exist is a great way to start! With practice, an individual suffering from a cognitive bias might be able to recognize said bias when it shows up and upon composing a nonsensical forum post say "WAIT! This is the Dunning-Kruger effect trying to get the better of me! I shouldn't post this!" and then proceed to, you know, not post it.

Alternatively, depending on where you live, you can always try to go full "silver lining" and apply for priority parking at your local Denny's on the grounds that you're very obviously mentally handicapped. I hear that's a thing. Best of luck, I believe in you buddy!

[Iaga]

I think...
+1 respect.
You know your DDO for sure, but I'm more impressed at your response to that post

[Haphazarduk]

Great stuff. I have been running some 'similar' builds ever since I found out that Eldritch Tempest doesn't break Stealth. The purpose of those builds is specifically to use attacks that don't destealth you (primarily melee AOE special attacks) to simulate Assassinate but there are many similarities.

I've recently run a 17Wiz/3Druid to make use of the extra melee power and ds from Natural Fighting. It can easily one shot reds and champ groups and is gloriously fun to play. That build was HO for additional melee power (Orcish rage triggers Primal Beast 2 for extra MP - oh and also doesn't uncentre you) and doing as much damage through ET as possible but obviously you've got to do damage in-between sometimes :)

Unfortunately I'm in a different league in terms of PLs, Reaper Points and probably general experience in the game but hey ho - its fun!

I didn't have access to Falconry when I started these builds (I do now). I'm guessing the best use of Falconry is cc in Reaper? Oh and No Mercy I guess. I only dabble with Reaper although the build (my build) is solid enough and R1 solo-capable much of the time even for someone like me.

Also, have you done any analysis on how the damage works for Eldritch Tempest? It seems to be tied to the maximum damage rather than average damage for the weapon so I was getting some crazy numbers for Insurrection. I may just be getting my calcs wrong though.

Hap

[Gilga1]

I didn't have access to Falconry when I started these builds (I do now). I'm guessing the best use of Falconry is cc in Reaper? Oh and No Mercy I guess.

Hey. Sure, No Mercy is the main reason to invest in Falconry. I also like other stuff in this tree: Sprint Boost, a little extra healing amplification, 5% hp, and Expose Weakness.



Also, have you done any analysis on how the damage works for Eldritch Tempest? It seems to be tied to the maximum damage rather than average damage for the weapon so I was getting some crazy numbers for Insurrection. I may just be getting my calcs wrong though.

Eldritch Tempest is crazy damage, yes. I got 600.000+ with Adrenaline + Eldritch Tempest. +5W and +3 multiplier are awesome.

[Atelos]

True, weapon imbues can provide good damage. However, they have no synergies with THF and Fury.
To max weapon imbues damage, you should play a different build, focusing on attack speed (SWF). The most interesting option I see is Scoundrel Sorc Fatesinger 18-1-1 with Scion of feywild and Staccato sovereign.
Equip will be more tricky, despite the off-hand slot.


Great build! For curiosity, could you please further explain the Sorc fatesinger 18-1-1 you mentioned? I'm trying to figure out what would be the core of the build

Thanks!

[AirbornedChild]

As soon as I read sirethThe only DR beater for cats. Just try. Or ask someone to compare Sireth and lvl 29 weapon vs Ta'ashveth. Rakshasa is the only and the one reason to use Sireth. Just because it is the only twohander with piercing damage type.

[Volanthro]

You are complete liar. You cannot get 120+ STR without using +1 STR filigree. It means you cannot get extra damage(direct damage, melee power) from sets. You do not get prowess 10s buff.

Liar again? You said you have 92 % double strike. Well, how much can you get in reality?
6 % from bard
24 % from neck
11 % from gloves
10 % from trinket
9 % from epic PL
3 % from aasimar PL

Just 64 % total. Of course, there is twist in monk ED. And there is 4 % from scion.

Missing 28 %. Where do they come from?

Liar thrice? 286 melee power unbuffed? Really?! Can you show all sources?


I never trust anyone who shown only cut image. I cannot see if you have buffs or not.

So you are just liar.

And... Can you show all sources of such STR? I do not believe you have 2 filigree sets and 120+ str at the same time. Even with all bonuses from pastlifes. Even with WF bonus.

Another addition with criticism. You play THF and said you need only 1 weapon. Truth is that you must have weapon with 3 damade weapon types.
One of them(piercing) - Sireth, the only one high level piercing two handed weapon. Can you tell if there ANY other?
At least 1 bludgeoning weapon. What it would be? Leg moonbeam? Yes. The only one good - it has "vorpal" mod(knockdown).
And slashing damage type. Yes, this axe is good - versus bosses. But it has low crit profile. And with good party you will not make enough hits to regain charges. This means only one thing: for mobs you have to use greatsword. GA vs boss. GS vs mobs.

If you do not understand such simple things - your IQ is less than 100.
Also, you forgot about DR problem. You can twist alignment DR but cannot break metal DR. Using metal augment is good only for boss beater.

You should really do some research before you post stuff like this..

[AirbornedChild]

Eldritch Tempest is crazy damage, yes. I got 600.000+ with Adrenaline + Eldritch Tempest. +5W and +3 multiplier are awesome.That was just lucky hit when you:
1 Hit 19-20 for +2 crit multiplier.
2 Bypass construct fotification.

Compare with pure FB barb with same investments. Barb has continuous damage full time. WIth better glancing blows. Yes. He said that glancing blows are bad(problematic). But not for frenzied berserker. Also, Barb gets more chance for weapon effects on glancing blows.
Yes, barb will see lots of draining while using razor. Will EK see same? No.

this build is just "for fun". Just to see big numbers. What can you say, when you see your glancing blow having nearly same damage as base one?

And again i must say, that such STR is impossible without using +1 STR filigree. It mean you lose 2 filigree set bonuses. For instance: on barb you will get 3k hp without leg gs plus 1400 temporal hp.

Just imagine how strong can be barb with such investments. FB barb would be much, much better. And this is just because EK is bad while using regular attack.

But. Simple question. If EK gets such high STR, how much would get barb? 150?

[AirbornedChild]

You should really do some research before you post stuff like this..He cut image. That is enough. When someone cuts image and hides (possible) buffs, it is just cheating. It is not fair.

If he showed full screenshot, I would not even post smth. But he cut off.

As i said. No filigree sets. Set give more than +2 str. Sorry, but this is just +1/+1,5. Hands down...

Mmm... 34 insightful STR? It is legal at all? Well, with +34 insightful STR barb will get highest STR score. I consider this to be error. Rule was always the same: enhancement>insightful>other.

Edit N1: Well, full comp character with all +3 items. OK, I choose life.
Edit N2: Still GS>GA on monsters(not bosses).
Edit N3: I consider divine might to be... unfair. Years ago I said that such boost must be tier 5 in enh tree. Reason is simple: it makes capstone weaker, while it must be the strongest.

Would you kind to make FB barb? Just for comparison. Yes, yes, this is trolling. But this is the only way to find who is stronger.

PS In my opinion this build is heavily depends on casters spells. It has low regular damage(GA). Using sword would give more crits while losing just 1 critical multiplier.
About doublestrike: mine is nearly the same, difference comes from EK enhancements. Less melee power(just few +2/+4 mythic).

True melee with such gear would be better.

[Gilga1]

Great build! For curiosity, could you please further explain the Sorc fatesinger 18-1-1 you mentioned? I'm trying to figure out what would be the core of the build

Hey, thanks. I can try to provide some guidelines, but I did not developed the build yet.
For that build, my goal will be to reach a decent enchant DC (around 105 in reaper) and a good sustained dps, focusing on SWF (attack speed + orb offhand) and elemental imbues. Scoundrel's Staccato Sovereign allows you to use your fire spell power as sonic. I will go fire with Scion of the Feywild (more dps scaling with fire spellpower) and +4 Enchant DC.
I wil go max CHA with STR as secondary stat, using STR (boosted by Divine Might) to hit/dmg. Fatesinger will be a perfect fit.
Moonwillow will probably be the weapon of choice, counting as Scoundrel's dashing weapon.

[Gilga1]

That was just lucky hit when you:
1 Hit 19-20 for +2 crit multiplier.
2 Bypass construct fotification.

Yup, that's was a 19-20 roll, 10% chance.
As I wrote in my op, I have 54% fortification bypass (28+16+10) and 50% reduction (expose weakness).



this build is just "for fun". Just to see big numbers. What can you say, when you see your glancing blow having nearly same damage as base one?

Yeah, I can confirm I play DDO for fun. But I also think 'big numbers' have some utility in R10 gameplay. I play a melee toon that in some ways acts like an instantkiller. That's why I prefer a+3 multiplier weapon vs Reflection.
Last night on this build I completed R10 Toee pt 2 with a friend... we were 2 melees, we reached the end fight flawless. Probably Vinci will post some video footage on his youtube channel in the next days.
My point is, I don't think EK is "bad"... I'm not the best DDO player and I would not have been able to complete what I consider to be one of the most challenging quests in the game (featuring hundreds of mobs and a terrific end fight) in R10 Duo while playing a "bad build".



And again i must say, that such STR is impossible without using +1 STR filigree. It mean you lose 2 filigree set bonuses.
I provided you a link in my previous post... and as I wrote I'm using only 2x +2 STR filigrees in my current setup.
I don't really understand what you mean... You can have multiple set bonuses: prowess 5 pieces, sucker punch 2, one against many 2... are you counting artifact slots?


He cut image. That is enough. When someone cuts image and hides (possible) buffs, it is just cheating. It is not fair.
If he showed full screenshot...

Lol. Really... for what it's worth, I could have photoshopped my screenshot, or maybe I could have made copy/paste with some Symbiont's screenshots (that's impossible, my stats are way too low... XD). Maybe my real Strength value is 74, or less....
You really don't get it how to reach a good STR value on a melee? Is Divine Might unfair? Well, on most builds Divine Presence/Will are way more effective...



In my opinion this build is heavily depends on casters spells. It has low regular damage(GA). Using sword would give more crits while losing just 1 critical multiplier.

Hey, It's your opinion. I respect any point of view.
I cast spells, true. Spells help my cc and survivability, sure.
On a Fury build, I prefer a better multiplier weapon and I also want vulnerability always on.

I never said the build I posted here is better than barbs, or fighters, or something else.
I just wanted to share an unusual build I'm having fun with in R10.

I really like FBs, they have their strengths and weakness as everyone (except Inquis ofc XD).
Lastly, I would like to point out that Angry Arms and Mad Munitions bring a negligible benefit in high skulls.
Dps side, the best FB features are the +2 multiplier, Crazy Strike for +2W, Raging Blows, Frenzy and Death Frenzy.

[VinX]

The only DR beater for cats. Just try. Or ask someone to compare Sireth and lvl 29 weapon vs Ta'ashveth. Rakshasa is the only and the one reason to use Sireth. Just because it is the only twohander with piercing damage type.

I guess there is way few cats on game atm. And maybe putting a moonwillow with some random shield on secondary hand can provide way higher dps than sireth :smile:

[VinX]

That was just lucky hit when you:
1 Hit 19-20 for +2 crit multiplier.
2 Bypass construct fotification.

Compare with pure FB barb with same investments. Barb has continuous damage full time. WIth better glancing blows. Yes. He said that glancing blows are bad(problematic). But not for frenzied berserker. Also, Barb gets more chance for weapon effects on glancing blows.
Yes, barb will see lots of draining while using razor. Will EK see same? No.

this build is just "for fun". Just to see big numbers. What can you say, when you see your glancing blow having nearly same damage as base one?

And again i must say, that such STR is impossible without using +1 STR filigree. It mean you lose 2 filigree set bonuses. For instance: on barb you will get 3k hp without leg gs plus 1400 temporal hp.

Just imagine how strong can be barb with such investments. FB barb would be much, much better. And this is just because EK is bad while using regular attack.

But. Simple question. If EK gets such high STR, how much would get barb? 150?

If you can get to 90 strength without having divine might, I guess you can easily reach 130+ str on any build with divine might :smile:

[xTethx]

That was just lucky hit when you:
1 Hit 19-20 for +2 crit multiplier.
2 Bypass construct fotification.

Compare with pure FB barb with same investments. Barb has continuous damage full time. WIth better glancing blows. Yes. He said that glancing blows are bad(problematic). But not for frenzied berserker. Also, Barb gets more chance for weapon effects on glancing blows.
Yes, barb will see lots of draining while using razor. Will EK see same? No.

this build is just "for fun". Just to see big numbers. What can you say, when you see your glancing blow having nearly same damage as base one?

And again i must say, that such STR is impossible without using +1 STR filigree. It mean you lose 2 filigree set bonuses. For instance: on barb you will get 3k hp without leg gs plus 1400 temporal hp.

Just imagine how strong can be barb with such investments. FB barb would be much, much better. And this is just because EK is bad while using regular attack.

But. Simple question. If EK gets such high STR, how much would get barb? 150?

I’ll agree this def has some flavor, but a barb will not reach the utility or burst dmg of this build. As for your other points I can contribute towards vaccinations if you want.

[TitusOvid]

Would you be so kind and change your attitude, Airborne?

[Alled78]

I did it again… After having fun with some op builds, I came back to my greatest love: THF.

With U42 I tried out pally, now it’s time for a reaper proof, heavy melee THF EK wizard robot!

Fun to play, this build is able to deliver some amazing performances. EK op! (lol)
On this build, I played almost all the 30s R10.
Today I completed Slavers Pt1 R10 duo with my trusted bard buddy Vinci. On first try…. eoeoeooeoeo XD
To be honest, I tried to solo it but I failed badly. I don’t have enough cc to handle multiple nasty reapers/champs by myself.
Thanks Vin, you are the best bard ever in DDO <3

https://i.imgur.com/AwRE9Ha.png (https://i.imgur.com/AwRE9Ha.png)


But let's get down to the build :)

First of all, the split: Wiz 18, Barb 1, Cleric 1.
Why? Wiz 18 allows EK core 5 (Deflect Arrows triggers every 2 seconds, I like it), and provides 3 lvl 9 spells (Energy Drain, Power Word Kill, Meteor Swarm. Meteor swarm ignores Epic Defensive Stance, useful tool to grab aggro from distance).
Cleric 1 for turn undead (Confront Any Foe is a must on any THF build) and Divine Might.
Barb 1 for movement speed and Intimidate as class skill.

STATS
STR based, CHA, CON. INT as a dump stat. To be honest, on this kind of build I do not think it’s possibile to reach decent DCs without destroying your dps output.
Also, like I wrote, Confront any Foe is a must on a THF build, so you need Charisma to max your turn attempts per rest. So… why Wiz? More feats :)

RACE
Warforged: +15 mp, Improved Power Attack, PRR and I like Bloodrage Chrism on THF robot builds to get healing amp + repair amp (maxing incoming healing hands and so on).

ED
Fury of the Wild. Really? Really.
When I saw the new version of this ED I said to myself: "ok, never mind, it sucks as before…"
I tried it, and I changed my mind: double vorpal on THF, extra melee power, Devastating Blow are nice additions. Based on my experience, adrenalines are pretty good in high skulls.
Twists: Martial Hymn, Haste Boost, Confront any foe, Dance with flowers, Legendary tactics/Cocoon.

ENHANCEMENTS
I spent my ehancements points as follow:
Warforged 6 (+14 free), EK 42, Fal 24 (+1 free), War 4, Rav 4

PLs & REAPER POINTS
I confess… I’m missing the 3rd Scoundrel PL. How can I live without it? Idk.
All my reaper trees are almost completed (+STR, +CHA, +CON). Are PLs and reaper points important in this game? Yes, they are. And yes, with my PLs and reaper points any noob could solo slavers R10…

EQUIPMENT
If reaper points and PLs are important, a good equip is crucial for any successful build.

Helm - Legendary Umber Brim (Improved Quelling Strikes, Insightful Accuracy +16, Insightful Deception +8, Profane Well Rounded +2)
Goggles - Legendary Collective Sight (Constitution +21, Insightful Constitution +10, Quality Resistance +4, +20 Quality MRR)
Necklace - The Family’s Blessing (Quality Assassinate +2, Insightful Armor-Piercing - 16%, Deadly +17, Doublestrike 24%)
Trinket - Bloodrage Chrism (Competence Healing Amplification +83, Calamitous Blows, Bloodrage Defense, Rune-fueled Warding, Unnatural)
Armor - Legendary Umbral Soul (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Repair Amplification +85, Hit Points +81)
Cloak - Legendary Cloak of Balance (Quality Constitution +5, Freedom of Movement, Insightful Seeker 10, Parrying +10, Empty Green Augment Slot)
Wrist - Brand of Kalok Shash (Strength +22, Quality Accuracy +8, Quality Deadly +5, Fire Absorption 53%)
Belt -SL (Sheltering +45, Accuracy +28, Stunning +20, Quality Strength +4)
Ring - SL (Charisma +17, Armor Piercing -28%, Vertigo +20, Quality Charisma +4)
Ring - Circle of Malevolence (Improved Harm 3/Day, Resistance +14, Vitality +60, Insightful Sheltering +23, Intimidate +25, Incite +53)
Gloves - Legendary Hammerfist (Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly +8)
Boots - Legendary Softsole Slippers (Ghostly, Anthem, Perform +22, Insightful Charisma +9))
W –Baz’Morath (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Keen V, Disease: Unholy Tear, Limb Chopper, Fetters of Unreality, +0,5 W)
Torn/Tremor as swap when DR is needed.
LGS Affirmation + Hope as swap to help my buddies with cocoon when needed.
LGS Ooze + Dust as swap for casting lesser death aura and death aura.
IMPORTANT NOTE: death auras proc some LGSs. Having Ooze and Dust quick stacking on surrounding mobs it’s a huge benefit for a melee, specially THF. I can stack by myself vulnerability (Fetters on weapon) + Ooze (LGS+auras) + Dust (LGS+auras).
Please note LGS Ice also procs with auras but the proc rate is abysmal. Useless.
Also, LGS Ooze on auras procs PRR/MRR debuff but oozes never spawn. Poor oozes :(

Why I’m using the outmoded Softsole Slippers boots in my setup? Because I want more turn attempts per rest, and I’m trying to reduce lag avoiding hundreds item swaps. Oh, by the way, I don’t have Relentless Fury but I can swap helm to Executioner just to get that proc ;)

Here are my stats in reaper:

https://i.imgur.com/hwyblJt.png (https://i.imgur.com/hwyblJt.png)

Offensive side, melee power is 286 standing in reaper (excluding damage boost, prowess etc)
Doublestrike is 92% standing.

https://i.imgur.com/YMNsrkF.png (https://i.imgur.com/YMNsrkF.png)

Pros
• Confront any foe makes THF a viable fighting style. Almost…
• Eldritch Tempest and Adrenaline. 50K+ hits in R10… be happy!

https://i.imgur.com/tQz9xO2.png (https://i.imgur.com/tQz9xO2.png)
• Offense and Utility spells: they should not be underestimated. Otto Irresistible Dance, Power words, Sleet Storm (FoM on cloak), Haste+Displacement, Tenser when needed, Dimension Door etc etc. You miss the DCs and spell pen, but you are still a lvl 18 spellcaster. With quicken.
• Pro melee debuffer: Vulnerability on weapon + Ooze and Dust on auras
• Doublestrike 90% standing
• Armor-piercing (in Fury): 104 (28+16+10+50 expose weakness)
• Survivability. Top PRR and MRR for a melee dps build, arcane barrier, deflect arrows every 2 secs...
• Decent mobility: +10% movement from barb, sprint boost
• Baz’ Morath is a big and ugly weapon.

Cons
• THF usual issues. Glancing blows need some love, devs know.
• As front-line soldier and aggro generator, don’t leave home without PLs and reaper points.
• Inquis can ruin your gaming experience. While waiting for a nerf, to get rid of I usually let them die before grabbing aggro.

I’m having a lot of fun with this build.
EK melee THF is a strong option for reaper endgame! (but sshhh…. don’t tell my guild leader O_o)

Great build as always Tronko

I think a cleric build instead of wizard can improve your dps and survivabily. Try it?

[AirbornedChild]

If you can get to 90 strength without having divine might, I guess you can easily reach 130+ str on any build with divine might :smile:100 STR is not hard to achieve.

[AirbornedChild]

Would you be so kind and change your attitude, Airborne?It is regular attitute. If it was worse, I wouldn't talk at all.
I already said about downsides of this build. It has 3 cleaves and 1 aoe with 30 seconds cooldown. While true melee has more. THF paladinseems to have better damage(average).

This shows why EK is unpopular on reaper.

[Gilga1]

Great build as always Tronko
I think a cleric build instead of wizard can improve your dps and survivabily. Try it?

Thanks! I do not think going cleric will improve my dps and survivability at all :) Maybe you can grab more cleric levels if you want Silvanus to use Tremor. But losing core 5 and high level spell will be a nerf for this build imho.


I updated the original post with some video footage of my runs with Vinci. Bard pov, but I think it’s easy to see how the THF EK works and his effectiveness in R10.

[TitusOvid]

It is regular attitute. If it was worse, I wouldn't talk at all.
I already said about downsides of this build. It has 3 cleaves and 1 aoe with 30 seconds cooldown. While true melee has more. THF paladinseems to have better damage(average).

This shows why EK is unpopular on reaper.

This thread was not to build the best dps of all. It is about EK being viable in R10. EK is unpopular because there are more people saying it is **** without even trying instead of pushing it to the limit. there are possibilities besides fotm. this is one.

Cheers,
Titus.

[Djjinni]

there are possibilities besides fotm. this is one.

Exceptions will always exist.


FotM is just going to be where the most users fall and is usually based on it's rewards vs ease of play.


This build seems well written and tailored to the OPs situation, it doesn't suggest this build could replace all melee builds out there - but hopefully it does inspire some people to look into the tree more for options!

[Volanthro]

He cut image. That is enough. When someone cuts image and hides (possible) buffs, it is just cheating. It is not fair.

If he showed full screenshot, I would not even post smth. But he cut off.

As i said. No filigree sets. Set give more than +2 str. Sorry, but this is just +1/+1,5. Hands down...

Mmm... 34 insightful STR? It is legal at all? Well, with +34 insightful STR barb will get highest STR score. I consider this to be error. Rule was always the same: enhancement>insightful>other.

Edit N1: Well, full comp character with all +3 items. OK, I choose life.
Edit N2: Still GS>GA on monsters(not bosses).
Edit N3: I consider divine might to be... unfair. Years ago I said that such boost must be tier 5 in enh tree. Reason is simple: it makes capstone weaker, while it must be the strongest.

Would you kind to make FB barb? Just for comparison. Yes, yes, this is trolling. But this is the only way to find who is stronger.

PS In my opinion this build is heavily depends on casters spells. It has low regular damage(GA). Using sword would give more crits while losing just 1 critical multiplier.
About doublestrike: mine is nearly the same, difference comes from EK enhancements. Less melee power(just few +2/+4 mythic).

True melee with such gear would be better.

34 insightful str come from divine might as it is an insight bonus.
You keep coming back to how high his str is like someone didn't hit 202 on a pure cleric..

[SonilasFx]

what your prefer
20 paladin or 18wiz/1/1?

[Gilga1]

what your prefer
20 paladin or 18wiz/1/1?

Hey, I prefer wiz hands down. In confront to the THF pally I played (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/506448-Reaper-Endgame-THF-Paladin) I think this build is far superior from every point of view (offense, cc options, defenses), except saves and lay on hands.
Also, when I tried pally Confront any Foe gave +0W (vs +5W of Holy Retribution). Now it's +3W...

Other stuff completed on this build:
Soul Survivor R10 melee duo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdMB9PdgnHc

Secret of the Slavers Stockade R10 melee duo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcoRNIqXW_o

[Onetunge]

Hi Tronko.
Could you post which feats you took on this build, please.

[Gilga1]

Hi Tronko.
Could you post which feats you took on this build, please.

Hey, sure!
1 Adamantine Body, 3 Completionist, 6 Power Attack, 9 THF, 12 ITHF, 15 IC Slashing, 18 Extra turning, BW Quicken, BW Extend, BW Mental Toughness, BW Improved Mental Toughness, 21 OC, 24 GTHF, 26 PTWF, 27 Epic DR, 28 PTHF, 29 Dire Charge, 30 Construct Exemplar, L Scion of Arborea

[SocratesBastardSon]

+1 to Tronko for outstanding troll management; a role model for the rest of us. Thanks! And of course, an interesting and well-thought-out build.

[gabe33]

Hey man, I saw your youtube video and have been thinking about making an EK THF wiz for some time. Fortune shined upon me this morning when I saw you posted a bit of a breakdown of it! I am quite new to the EK tree and maybe you can enlighten me. Why STR instead of INT based? You might've gone over it and I missed it or it might be a very dumb question but is having 2 primary stats worth the 12AP in harper tree saved? Totally new to EK and love the play style you've developed here. Thanks in advance to anyone who can enlighten me.

[Rakhmateill]

Hey man, I saw your youtube video and have been thinking about making an EK THF wiz for some time. Fortune shined upon me this morning when I saw you posted a bit of a breakdown of it! I am quite new to the EK tree and maybe you can enlighten me. Why STR instead of INT based? You might've gone over it and I missed it or it might be a very dumb question but is having 2 primary stats worth the 12AP in harper tree saved? Totally new to EK and love the play style you've developed here. Thanks in advance to anyone who can enlighten me.

Hey i'm also going to TR soon into this build to change my gameplay and try new stuff, i'm also very interested in base stats.

Cause if I remember good, you need a minimum INT to cast self heals no ?

[Discpsycho]

Hey i'm also going to TR soon into this build to change my gameplay and try new stuff, i'm also very interested in base stats.

Cause if I remember good, you need a minimum INT to cast self heals no ?

This answer is going to be subjective, depending most heavily on tomes. Gear and guild level also matter a little, but those can be worked around. Racial Past Lives can also help a little

You're correct that all caster classes require 10+(spell level) in that main casting stat. Lesser Death Aura is a second level spell and Death Aura is fourth, so you need 12 int by level 3 and 14 by level 7.

Guild buffs grant a stacking +2 to all stats, so even if you dump Int you'll have at least 10. Tomes grant a +2 bonus at level 1, +3 by level 3 and +4 by level 7, so if you have a +4 tome you don't need to worry about gear or Racial PLs.

If you don't have any tomes or RPLs, you can still easily cover these bases with gear. +2 ability gear is easily obtainable at level 3 from the auction house or quest drops, and the same is true of +4 gear at level 7. In the short term, you can chug Potions of Fox's Cunning or use a wand - these have 5 min durations so they'll be kind of a pain, but it's yet another option

[Rakhmateill]

This answer is going to be subjective, depending most heavily on tomes. Gear and guild level also matter a little, but those can be worked around. Racial Past Lives can also help a little

You're correct that all caster classes require 10+(spell level) in that main casting stat. Lesser Death Aura is a second level spell and Death Aura is fourth, so you need 12 int by level 3 and 14 by level 7.

Guild buffs grant a stacking +2 to all stats, so even if you dump Int you'll have at least 10. Tomes grant a +2 bonus at level 1, +3 by level 3 and +4 by level 7, so if you have a +4 tome you don't need to worry about gear or Racial PLs.

If you don't have any tomes or RPLs, you can still easily cover these bases with gear. +2 ability gear is easily obtainable at level 3 from the auction house or quest drops, and the same is true of +4 gear at level 7. In the short term, you can chug Potions of Fox's Cunning or use a wand - these have 5 min durations so they'll be kind of a pain, but it's yet another option

Hello, thanks for the answer.

I tried 18/8/18/10/6/13 , I'm +8 tomed + Guild buffs & PL's ( heroic, epic, racial ).

I was just wondering how it could work, but I thought 10 + tomes was enough to cast some spells.

I will try to reach 30 quickly to be able to farm some stuff, atm i'm quite lost because i'm only playing casters or inquis on every build, but it's funny. The only thing I learnt doing first levels is that it's pretty gear dependant, and will force me to get some strong stuff as soon as I'm 30 ( I've got correct stuff to lvl 26 ).

We'll see, anyway thanks for this refreshing build. Looks like i'm gonna play DDO in a totally different way that i'm used to, and it's pretty exciting.

[Gilga1]

Why STR instead of INT based? You might've gone over it and I missed it or it might be a very dumb question but is having 2 primary stats worth the 12AP in harper tree saved?

Hey! There are many reasons, build and equipment dependent.

I will try to explain the main ones.
1) Confront any foe. I think it’s a must have for any THF toon. To be honest, without caf THF actually sucks: glancing blows damage is almost irrelevant, cleaves don’t doublestrike etc etc.
So you need to invest heavily on Charisma, to get at least 40+ attempts per rest. INT and CHA have no synergies.
2) Even maxing INT, DC casting will be useless (in high skulls content). To be able to land your spells, you will need a dedicated equip (spell focus, insightful spell focus, quality spell focus, profane, filigree bonuses etc) and dedicated choices (feats, destiny, twists etc). That will destroy your melee damage.
3) There are only 2 artifacts with quality accuracy and quality deadly at the present time (STR and WIS). Divine Might makes your gear tetris more easy.

I made the simplest choices: CHA for Confront any foe, Cleric for Turn Undead and Divine Might, Brand of Kalok Shash as artifact.
Sometimes the right choice is the easy choice :)


Cause if I remember good, you need a minimum INT to cast self heals no ?

True. I can rely on +8 tomes and +6 INT from completionist and racial completionist so I just dumped that stat. Please note that I cannot self heal on this build, excluding raids.
In r10 quests, I would need at least 40 Reconstruct spells to fill my hp bar…

That's actually the main reason why this build is not for soloing. I was able to complete the most difficult quests (like toee pt2, slavers pt 3, soul survivor etc) in tandem with a friend, but I can’t close a r10 quest without support.


We'll see, anyway thanks for this refreshing build. Looks like i'm gonna play DDO in a totally different way that i'm used to, and it's pretty exciting.

Great, I’m happy to hear that! I really like DDO because it offers almost endless possibilities for custom builds and playstyle :)

[gabe33]

This was such a massive help! Thank you for clearing that up. I am currently level 12 and loving it btw.
If you didn't have completionist what would you take in place of that feat out of curiosity? I ended up taking cleave and don't think i regret it so far in lower heroics. Might switch out later.
Killer build and thanks again for getting me out of inquis XD

[Gilga1]

If you didn't have completionist what would you take in place of that feat out of curiosity? I ended up taking cleave and don't think i regret it so far in lower heroics.

Cleave and Great Cleave are likely good options in heroics. I play almost exclusively in endgame, and in this scenario Cleave is 100% useless.

[Rakhmateill]

Hey! There are many reasons, build and equipment dependent.

I will try to explain the main ones.
1) Confront any foe. I think it’s a must have for any THF toon. To be honest, without caf THF actually sucks: glancing blows damage is almost irrelevant, cleaves don’t doublestrike etc etc.
So you need to invest heavily on Charisma, to get at least 40+ attempts per rest. INT and CHA have no synergies.
2) Even maxing INT, DC casting will be useless (in high skulls content). To be able to land your spells, you will need a dedicated equip (spell focus, insightful spell focus, quality spell focus, profane, filigree bonuses etc) and dedicated choices (feats, destiny, twists etc). That will destroy your melee damage.
3) There are only 2 artifacts with quality accuracy and quality deadly at the present time (STR and WIS). Divine Might makes your gear tetris more easy.

I made the simplest choices: CHA for Confront any foe, Cleric for Turn Undead and Divine Might, Brand of Kalok Shash as artifact.
Sometimes the right choice is the easy choice :)



True. I can rely on +8 tomes and +6 INT from completionist and racial completionist so I just dumped that stat. Please note that I cannot self heal on this build, excluding raids.
In r10 quests, I would need at least 40 Reconstruct spells to fill my hp bar…

That's actually the main reason why this build is not for soloing. I was able to complete the most difficult quests (like toee pt2, slavers pt 3, soul survivor etc) in tandem with a friend, but I can’t close a r10 quest without support.



Great, I’m happy to hear that! I really like DDO because it offers almost endless possibilities for custom builds and playstyle :)

Many thanks for all the answer. My friend did your friend's build ( bard ) and we'll try this out very soon.

Have a good game :D

[Komradkillingmachine]

THF paladin seems to have better damage(average).

It does not.

[adrian69]

Hey, sure!
1 Adamantine Body, 3 Completionist, 6 Power Attack, 9 THF, 12 ITHF, 15 IC Slashing, 18 Extra turning, BW Quicken, BW Extend, BW Mental Toughness, BW Improved Mental Toughness, 21 OC, 24 GTHF, 26 PTWF, 27 Epic DR, 28 PTHF, 29 Dire Charge, 30 Construct Exemplar, L Scion of Arborea

Any suggestions on turning it into a TWF build? Can a fleshy race be done or is it better to stay WF/BF?

[Alled78]

Any suggestions on turning it into a TWF build? Can a fleshy race be done or is it better to stay WF/BF?

As Gilga said depends what diff u play and if u have an healer.
Undead form can self heal until r5-6 , max r8
robot can self heal good till r5
Fleshies no undead near no self heal

[Fedora1]

Inquis can ruin your gaming experience. While waiting for a nerf, to get rid of I usually let them die before grabbing aggro.

I don't know if anyone else pointed this out, but this was my favorite part of your post. Almost spit out my coffee. :cool: LOL

[adrian69]

As Gilga said depends what diff u play and if u have an healer.
Undead form can self heal until r5-6 , max r8
robot can self heal good till r5
Fleshies no undead near no self heal

Last thing I ran before I TRd was 16 sorc/3 bard/1 FvS swf EK. I'd planned on wizard ek next. Undead changes have thrown me off because I didn't make it to Lamma to check it out, so I'm not sure what it can do, yet, nor do I know anyone personally playing a PM that I'm actually going to take their word on it. I just didn't want to waste time if I can't make it through epic R3-R7 solo with it. I have spent out 3 days running through ideas in the planner. None I've liked. I just haven't thought about dumping int for str, which is smart actually. I may do both now.

[FlyOnHigh]

Could you write a full guide what feats/enhancements to pick for a first lifer 32?
Would love to see the same guide for your duo friend as both of your builds look awesome!!

[polymath]

Heyyy I noticed you take stunning on some of your equipment, did you take stunning blow?

[Gilga1]

Could you write a full guide what feats/enhancements to pick for a first lifer 32?
Would love to see the same guide for your duo friend as both of your builds look awesome!!

Hey. My feats were 1 Adamantine Body, 3 Completionist, 6 Power Attack, 9 THF, 12 ITHF, 15 IC Slashing, 18 Extra turning, BW Quicken, BW Extend, BW Mental Toughness, BW Improved Mental Toughness, 21 OC, 24 GTHF, 26 PTWF, 27 Epic DR, 28 PTHF, 29 Dire Charge, 30 Construct Exemplar, L Scion of Arborea.
You can swap completionist for something else... Toughness, or Cleave for leveling.
Regarding enhancements, 42 points in EK and 4 in Warpriest are mandatory. Probably I will keep WF (15) and I will drop No Mercy from Falconry.
You can still invest 12 in Falconry for sprint boost and hp, 4 in Ravager and last point free.


Heyyy I noticed you take stunning on some of your equipment, did you take stunning blow?

Hey. No, I don't like stunning blow. Stunning is only for dire charge.

[Onetunge]

Hey. My feats were 1 Adamantine Body, 3 Completionist, 6 Power Attack, 9 THF, 12 ITHF, 15 IC Slashing, 18 Extra turning, BW Quicken, BW Extend, BW Mental Toughness, BW Improved Mental Toughness, 21 OC, 24 GTHF, 26 PTWF, 27 Epic DR, 28 PTHF, 29 Dire Charge, 30 Construct Exemplar, L Scion of Arborea.
You can swap completionist for something else... Toughness, or Cleave for leveling.
Regarding enhancements, 42 points in EK and 4 in Warpriest are mandatory. Probably I will keep WF (15) and I will drop No Mercy from Falconry.
You can still invest 12 in Falconry for sprint boost and hp, 4 in Ravager and last point free.



Hey. No, I don't like stunning blow. Stunning is only for dire charge.


To be honest, without caf THF actually sucks: glancing blows damage is almost irrelevant, cleaves don’t doublestrike etc etc.

So what's the point in taking PTHF at 28?

[Fedora1]

So what's the point in taking PTHF at 28?

Probably for epic defensive fighting, which is auto granted at L21.

Adds a 5% Competence Bonus to maximum Hit Points, with an additional 5% for every combat fighting style feat you have, to a maximum of 25%.

[polymath]

For your LGS ooze/dust which slot did you craft it on ? Just curious how you set that up for debuffing

I’m new to LGS so not to familiar.

[Gilga1]

For your LGS ooze/dust which slot did you craft it on ? Just curious how you set that up for debuffing
I’m new to LGS so not to familiar.

Hey. LGS ooze and LGS dust are weapon bonus effects, so you need weapons to craft them. Any is fine.
Equip LGS ooze and LGS dust weapons, cast death aura. Done. Swap to your regular weapon and fight.

[SpartanKiller13]

Warforged: +15 mp, Improved Power Attack, PRR and I like Bloodrage Chrism on THF robot builds to get healing amp + repair amp (maxing incoming healing hands and so on).

• Offense and Utility spells: they should not be underestimated. Otto Irresistible Dance, Power words, Sleet Storm (FoM on cloak), Haste+Displacement, Tenser when needed, Dimension Door etc etc. You miss the DCs and spell pen, but you are still a lvl 18 spellcaster. With quicken.
• Baz’ Morath is a big and ugly weapon.

Awesome build! Will probably use something about like this for my next life :D

Couple questions if you still check this thread :)

Did you consider Gnome/Deep Gnome? I'm really fond of Color Spray for hitting the majority of mobs in DDO (especially the blind, which gets a lot of stun/dance immune stuff). Slightly worse DPS, but I'd expect the early levels to be smoother and you can go Iconic if you want to get the EK T5 immediately. Small model loses cleave range though, which hurts.

Where do you use Energy Drain? I always feel like Legendary enemies regen negative levels super fast, but that's probably my noob speaking.

Baz'Morath is there for being the best 2H with Fetters? And probably the x3 multiplier vs Reflection of Blackrazor?

Adrenaline + Eldritch Tempest: just use one then the other to multiply the effects? Seems pretty nuts lol.

Thanks!

[Gilga1]

Did you consider Gnome/Deep Gnome?

Hey! Not at all :) Int is a dump stat


Where do you use Energy Drain? I always feel like Legendary enemies regen negative levels super fast, but that's probably my speaking.

Energy Drain has still some niche uses. In any case it’s not your most useful spell...


Baz'Morath is there for being the best 2H with Fetters? And probably the x3 multiplier vs Reflection of Blackrazor?

Both are good weapons. I prefer the axe for the multiplier on a Fury build.

[SpartanKiller13]

Hey! Not at all :) Int is a dump stat

Energy Drain has still some niche uses. In any case it’s not your most useful spell...

Both are good weapons. I prefer the axe for the multiplier on a Fury build.

Thanks for your response!

That's weird to consider on a Wizard 18 dip :P but makes sense!

If Energy Drain is droppable, it's almost viable as a Sorc build too, no? You'd have a lot more SP given your Cha stat, and maybe even viable casting here and there; costs one useful 9th level spell, and possibly some Wizard feats (but you can drop MT and IMT so you save two)? Not sure it's worth it, just seemed interesting. I might do it for a Sorc PL though :)

Alright! I figured the multiplier was a factor, and that Riftmaker is just too far behind to matter at this point :)

Very cool build! I keep wanting to 12/6/2 it for Silvanus, a Domain, Blood Tribute, etc; but until a newer maul comes out I think that'd be a significant DPS loss - not to mention utility etc.

[SonilasFx]

Helm - Legendary Umber Brim (Improved Quelling Strikes, Insightful Accuracy +16, Insightful Deception +8, Profane Well Rounded +2)
Goggles - Legendary Collective Sight (Constitution +21, Insightful Constitution +10, Quality Resistance +4, +20 Quality MRR)
Necklace - The Family’s Blessing (Quality Assassinate +2, Insightful Armor-Piercing - 16%, Deadly +17, Doublestrike 24%)
Trinket - Bloodrage Chrism (Competence Healing Amplification +83, Calamitous Blows, Bloodrage Defense, Rune-fueled Warding, Unnatural)
Armor - Legendary Umbral Soul (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Repair Amplification +85, Hit Points +81)
Cloak - Legendary Cloak of Balance (Quality Constitution +5, Freedom of Movement, Insightful Seeker 10, Parrying +10, Empty Green Augment Slot)
Wrist - Brand of Kalok Shash (Strength +22, Quality Accuracy +8, Quality Deadly +5, Fire Absorption 53%)
Belt -SL (Sheltering +45, Accuracy +28, Stunning +20, Quality Strength +4)
Ring - SL (Charisma +17, Armor Piercing -28%, Vertigo +20, Quality Charisma +4)
Ring - Circle of Malevolence (Improved Harm 3/Day, Resistance +14, Vitality +60, Insightful Sheltering +23, Intimidate +25, Incite +53)
Gloves - Legendary Hammerfist (Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly +8)
Boots - Legendary Softsole Slippers (Ghostly, Anthem, Perform +22, Insightful Charisma +9))
W –Baz’Morath (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Keen V, Disease: Unholy Tear, Limb Chopper, Fetters of Unreality, +0,5 W)
Torn/Tremor as swap when DR is needed.
LGS Affirmation + Hope as swap to help my buddies with cocoon when needed.
LGS Ooze + Dust as swap for casting lesser death aura and death aura.
IMPORTANT NOTE: death auras proc some LGSs. Having Ooze and Dust quick stacking on surrounding mobs it’s a huge benefit for a melee, specially THF. I can stack by myself vulnerability (Fetters on weapon) + Ooze (LGS+auras) + Dust (LGS+auras).
Please note LGS Ice also procs with auras but the proc rate is abysmal. Useless.
Also, LGS Ooze on auras procs PRR/MRR debuff but oozes never spawn. Poor oozes :(



I just needs some advice on the gear with the Divine Might to Presence changes, where to slot Ins.Strength?
now, divine might adding ins hit + ins damage and ins tactical instead ins STR. so dont stack with Insight deadly, Insight atack hit and Insight combat master.

[That_arrow_guy]

I like it. It works well due to good players around you.

[supps2]

How or did the most recent changes, change this build?

[tpbtoc]

How or did the most recent changes, change this build?

Nvm

[Gilga1]

How or did the most recent changes, change this build?

I don't recommend to play a THF EK after the changes. Pally, Barb, Bear and Fighter are all better options. Personally, I like pally the most.

[Teg1967]

Well hello there...

This looks like a very entertaining build! Excuse my high ranking noobiness here, but what would your starting stats look like, and how would you split the levels?

[Gilga1]

Well hello there...
This looks like a very entertaining build! Excuse my high ranking noobiness here, but what would your starting stats look like, and how would you split the levels?

Hey thanks.
Sadly, as I wrote in my previous post, this build is old and outdated.
EK looks fun and has some flavor, but U45 changes (THF and trances) hit this build hard... Maybe a 2 pally splash (to grab strikethrough in t1 KotC and Divine Might) could be better... but... a 20 pally is hands down a lot more solid :)
Back to your question, I will suggest barb first for movement speed. Starting stats are max STR, then CON and CHA.

[Zarick]

I don't recommend to play a THF EK after the changes. Pally, Barb, Bear and Fighter are all better options. Personally, I like pally the most.

How much worse would you say? Would this still do reasonably well in elite/low reaper? It does sound kind of neat even if it's weaker than the others, but not if it's just totally wrecked now.

[Gilga1]

How much worse would you say? Would this still do reasonably well in elite/low reaper?

Hey! Every build can perform reasonably well in elite/low reaper... no worries!

[Katalissa]

How do you get 120+ strength on this build? I take it that relied on the old Divine Might? Even so... Your level ups aren't going there, and I don't see any STR gear... how do you do it?

[A-O]

How do you get 120+ strength on this build? I take it that relied on the old Divine Might? Even so... Your level ups aren't going there, and I don't see any STR gear... how do you do it?

It require(d) old DM. And str is geared, just not ins (since that didn't stack with old DM). And where do you get that levels aren't going into str?

[Katalissa]

It require(d) old DM. And str is geared, just not ins (since that didn't stack with old DM). And where do you get that levels aren't going into str?

Yeah, I totally missed that Brand of Kalok Shash for some reason. As far as STR not in level ups, I think I'm getting it mixed up with a Sorc build inspired by this one, as I was looking through them both at the same time. Sorry.