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Zretch
09-09-2019, 11:44 AM
Was going through a TR at R1 this weekend and really noticed the increased hitpoints reapers have at those low levels. I think from a "holy **** deal with these now" point of view, the devs did a good job with them. However, I did notice that they seem to have some pretty hefty slash DR, which I didn't remember them having in the past. My scimitar was hitting for 0s while my mace was hitting for 14s at low level. That seems pretty harsh. It's almost like all reapers are stone guard champions, but even on stone guards I get *some* damage from slashing. Is the slashing DR just something I'm imagining? Was it there before and I just didn't notice? Not sure if it was intended.

Edited to say: This wasn't misses due to incorporeal, this was full hits that did 0 slashing damage. My character was a pale master that had spellsword in EK, so he has ghost touch and I saw the elemental damage apply, which doesn't happen on misses or grazing hits.

CSQ
09-09-2019, 01:51 PM
I haven't seen any 0 damage hits on my mechanic inquisitive build, but I have noticed that reapers have much much more HP at low levels, seemingly combined with a higher spawn rate (or maybe they just stay alive longer?) Now, granted, I'm using piercing, but it seems weird that Reapers would have DR only against slashing. That said, I have seen the time to kill on Reapers basically triple, which, while good for making them harder to deal with, does make the gap between elite and R1 much larger. I feel like what the changes should have done is make the gap between Reaper ranks much larger, so that by R10 it is basically like it is now, but that (at least in heroics) low reaper should have gotten only slightly scaled. I recognize that there needed to be some changes now that you can get full Reaper experience running at adjusted base level for the quest, but it just seems a bit heavy handed to me.

Zretch
09-09-2019, 01:58 PM
I haven't seen any 0 damage hits on my mechanic inquisitive build, but I have noticed that reapers have much much more HP at low levels, seemingly combined with a higher spawn rate (or maybe they just stay alive longer?) Now, granted, I'm using piercing, but it seems weird that Reapers would have DR only against slashing. That said, I have seen the time to kill on Reapers basically triple, which, while good for making them harder to deal with, does make the gap between elite and R1 much larger. I feel like what the changes should have done is make the gap between Reaper ranks much larger, so that by R10 it is basically like it is now, but that (at least in heroics) low reaper should have gotten only slightly scaled. I recognize that there needed to be some changes now that you can get full Reaper experience running at adjusted base level for the quest, but it just seems a bit heavy handed to me.

That's what I thought was odd as well. My friends running inquis builds didn't say anything about it, and I noticed multiple times switching from a scimitar to a heavy or light mace (one is my holy weapon, the other is my ooze beater) broke the DR.

I should probably pick up a dagger or two and science it out. Now that I'm a bit higher level, the strat is Color Spray, Lightning bolt, Acid Blast, Acid Spray and by then they're normally a couple hits away from dead, but it would suck to be something like a whirling steel monk and find that I couldn't damage reapers at all. :)

I'm also going to be trying to keep track of it as I level up to see where I start getting damage numbers. At 10 I should get the extra half die on weapons (1.5 vs 1), so I'll see if that makes a difference.

Zretch
09-09-2019, 04:08 PM
Ok, I tried it out with a few weapons.

Scimitar with Int to hit, but Str to damage (+5 vs +16 damage mod), hit for 0 consistently.
Crossbow hit like normal.
Dagger hit like normal.
Mace hit like normal.

Scimitar with Int to hit and damage, hit for low 20s.

So if there's DR, it's not very much. Maybe a 10/Bludgeon,Pierce DR? Did the reapers go out and all get Axebane bracers? :)
It's certainly no where near noticeable at higher levels, so maybe overlooked?

acemonkey
09-09-2019, 06:23 PM
Ok, I tried it out with a few weapons.

Scimitar with Int to hit, but Str to damage (+5 vs +16 damage mod), hit for 0 consistently.
Crossbow hit like normal.
Dagger hit like normal.
Mace hit like normal.

Scimitar with Int to hit and damage, hit for low 20s.

So if there's DR, it's not very much. Maybe a 10/Bludgeon,Pierce DR? Did the reapers go out and all get Axebane bracers? :)
It's certainly no where near noticeable at higher levels, so maybe overlooked?

The combat log is the worst of any mmo ever, but it will at least report DR. Do you have a combat tab set up?