Hardcore server Access

[Diesel_Smurf]

My family and I started playing DDO the June it went F2P. Monk class wasn't even out yet. We have been VIP a few years and decided to buy everything. But we still support the game by making purchases for points and expansions from the DDO Market and such. And not the cheap ones either....
But premium accounts are not able to access the hardcore server.

Why are Premium Player Accounts more less grouped with free to play accounts ?
When we are also helping to support the game ?

[C-Dog]

Because that's where they drew the line?

Or, if you really want me to explain it out - b/c after the work they put in to set it and the new server up, they need to recoup their expense, and tempting non-VIP to subscribe is the obvious way to do that.

There are some good folks in SSG, but they're not running this for us just out of the goodness of their hearts. :cool:

[Diesel_Smurf]

Because that's where they drew the line?

Or, if you really want me to explain it out - b/c after the work they put in to set it and the new server up, they need to recoup their expense, and tempting non-VIP to subscribe is the obvious way to do that.

There are some good folks in SSG, but they're not running this for us just out of the goodness of their hearts. :cool:



Yeah I know that..... or did you happen to miss the part where I said I SUPPORT THE GAME.... That means I pay MONEY

[Diesel_Smurf]

By chance could there be a status level difference for the premium players? Depending on how much content the account owns?

You want to get them to buy stuff? Make premium tiers! They will buy more packs and bank slots to get to higher tiers to get on that server. What will make more money.... subscriptions.... or all those individual purchases?

[MrXaatXuun]

sounds to me . . Diesel_Smurf, and others like Diesel_Smurf, are probably paying more into the game then subs
premiums do pay more to play then subs, it's just subs can be counted on, premiums most likely erratic, and cannot really set as number , but I'm sure there are more money coming from premiums

although after many months/years as premium, only thing they may will be purchasing are the ddo points, since they own everything else

just guessing here, but I'm sure subs (VIP) have a linear number they can count on, as mentioned in another post, I don't see a problem with premiums, premiums may need to purchase character slot(s) in the end, so that would be more money going towards covering expensive, locking out premiums, seems to me, this premium lock out, is just less money

[C-Dog]

Yeah I know that.....
Then why did you ask? :confused:


or did you happen to miss the part where I said I SUPPORT THE GAME.... That means I pay MONEY
No it doesn't. All it means is that at one time in the past you PAID money. Says nothing about currently, which is markedly diff from VIP.

There are diff types of "Premium" players, but accounts don't draw that distinction.

[Bunker]

My family and I started playing DDO the June it went F2P. Monk class wasn't even out yet. We have been VIP a few years and decided to buy everything. But we still support the game by making purchases for points and expansions from the DDO Market and such. And not the cheap ones either....
But premium accounts are not able to access the hardcore server.

Why are Premium Player Accounts more less grouped with free to play accounts ?
When we are also helping to support the game ?

There seems to be a misconception people do not pay money to this game because they're supporting the game they're paying money because they want to get the items or the characters or the quest or access to play the game. If a premium player or a VIP player was simply paying money to support the game then why not just write SSG a big fat check and not play. Stop pretending that you're doing out of the kindness of your heart to "support the game."

I love when people say that they're supporting the game because they think that adds validity to their point of view and whatever discussion they're having.

As for the difference between VIP, premium and free to play. There's been years of discussions that pop up occasionally on the subject of VIPs not getting enough access that is separate from premium and free to play. So finally SSG has created a server that requires VIP access.

I know some of you would say We'll blah blah blah they're only doing this because they want to make money. Let me ask you this do you like new Quest do you like new classes do you like new enhancement trees do you like the game that 13 years old that keep going. if you answered yes to any of those questions, then duh of course they're trying to make money. Stop pretending like SSG is trying to stick it to the player. this is a video game. If you're doing something in life, that is for enjoyment, because you like doing it, if it's for recreation, and it's stressing you out, here's some free advice, you are doing it wrong.

[TorkRaider]

F2P and Premium Accounts, on any new character or server, must run Normal quests then Hard to finally have access to Elite UNLESS they USE two "stones" to jump to a 36 point build OR run around asking OPENER PLEASE!


This is the major reason I believe that HCL is a VIP experience versus open to all. The limited time frame puts F2P and Premium at an inherent disadvantage unless they ask for favors from VIPs. Based upon the number of deaths, people are creating many, many characters just to move up the game. Imagine starting a 28 point character running NHE getting zapped and then doing all over again.


VIP pays to have direct access to Elite. Granted you may have friends who will let you use their access for free but I doubt most people would enjoy running three times as many quests just to compete with VIPs. And as soon as your friends out level you by 4 Lvls they can't help you any more anyway.


Per the Wiki... http://ddowiki.com/page/Account_comparisons VIPS enter quests directly on Hard/Elite without having to run prior difficulties.

Just my respectful thoughts.

[Memnir]

Just my respectful thoughts.I hadn't considered that... but it makes a tremendous amount of sense now that I've read it.

Kudos!

[Amundir]

Hardcore server being VIP only is one more extra thing making VIP special. I've said forever, I don't really have a reason to go VIP. I get all the stuff I care about from being premium. I don't care much to play hardcore, but I understand the effort to make VIP have more perks. And on that front I say good on em.

[Livmo]

I've never been VIP, but I do spend more money yearly on the game than someone whom only subs at the minimum.

Some people need to feel special, so I'm OK with the Hardcore Server only being available to VIPs. It's kinda like peanut butter and jelly, they go well together.

With that said I have VIP codes left over from when I bought the expansion for my alt accounts. IF I really wanted to play to get on the leader board I could use one of those codes for 90 days on an account.

However with the in-game grind and RL always being busy, I'd rather spend time on normal server progressing some of my toons.

Besides I already played this life on my main Livmo without dying until I got to level 18. We died because someone zerged thru the trap while we were waiting for the trapper to disarm it. I released and found myself in Korthos, ugh! My bad for not binding someplace closer to Eveningstar : ) )

I can always create the challenge for myself and don't feel the need to be special on a leader board.

I think the Hardcore Server is awesome and it should come around at least once a year like my favorite events (Cover, Revels, etc.)

[Diesel_Smurf]

sounds to me . . Diesel_Smurf, and others like Diesel_Smurf, are probably paying more into the game then subs
premiums do pay more to play then subs, it's just subs can be counted on, premiums most likely erratic, and cannot really set as number , but I'm sure there are more money coming from premiums

although after many months/years as premium, only thing they may will be purchasing are the ddo points, since they own everything else

just guessing here, but I'm sure subs (VIP) have a linear number they can count on, as mentioned in another post, I don't see a problem with premiums, premiums may need to purchase character slot(s) in the end, so that would be more money going towards covering expensive, locking out premiums, seems to me, this premium lock out, is just less money

Thank you for understanding
That's what I'm talking about

[Diesel_Smurf]

Then why did you ask? :confused:


No it doesn't. All it means is that at one time in the past you PAID money. Says nothing about currently, which is markedly diff from VIP.

There are diff types of "Premium" players, but accounts don't draw that distinction.6

This is why I said premium tiers....
Depending on how much content an account has.
Because my account is loaded with EVERYTHING and I have so many character slots and bank slots extra character bank slots, extra character inventory slots you name it I bought it!! Shards , ship paints all that ****
And when I TR my toons I also buy hair styles hair colors .... So yes I buy points and all for stuff in the store all the time. Or

[FURYous]

I don't get this at all. It's $10 a month. Divide $10 by the number of hours you play and it is by far cheaper than most forms of entertainment. You spend more than that on coffee (or whatever your overpriced beverage of choice is).

It's a product, they have to pay their people, they have to pay their bills, if you don't like the product then don't buy it, but don't insist they give you new content when you only paid for old content.

[Diesel_Smurf]

There seems to be a misconception people do not pay money to this game because they're supporting the game they're paying money because they want to get the items or the characters or the quest or access to play the game. If a premium player or a VIP player was simply paying money to support the game then why not just write SSG a big fat check and not play. Stop pretending that you're doing out of the kindness of your heart to "support the game."

I love when people say that they're supporting the game because they think that adds validity to their point of view and whatever discussion they're having.

As for the difference between VIP, premium and free to play. There's been years of discussions that pop up occasionally on the subject of VIPs not getting enough access that is separate from premium and free to play. So finally SSG has created a server that requires VIP access.

I know some of you would say We'll blah blah blah they're only doing this because they want to make money. Let me ask you this do you like new Quest do you like new classes do you like new enhancement trees do you like the game that 13 years old that keep going. if you answered yes to any of those questions, then duh of course they're trying to make money. Stop pretending like SSG is trying to stick it to the player. this is a video game. If you're doing something in life, that is for enjoyment, because you like doing it, if it's for recreation, and it's stressing you out, here's some free advice, you are doing it wrong.


I say that I'm supporting the game because I am. If none of us paid for anything at all then the game would go bankrupt. So yes the money I pay for my points, and for my expansion packs helps support the game keeps going. Why do you think they opened the game up to people other than just VIP PLAYERS? They did it because they needed the money from premium players buying point packs to purchase the packs and bank slots and inventory slots because they needed the funding!! Now that they have it they treat us like ****. So don't go telling me that I am not supporting the game, or that I shouldn't word it that I'm supporting the game, because that is exactly what I am doing!! Like it or not, I'm just as important as you!! They needed us so you could keep playing . Deal with it.... And thank me and everyone of us for coming along and saving it from going under!!
Else you might be playing LOD right now

[Memnir]

Now that they have it they treat us like ****. So don't go telling me that I am not supporting the game, or thatThey're not treating you like anything. There are several good points that have been brought up as to why it's VIP only - ones I'm not going to restate because I know they'd just bounce off you and your attitude. But, the only one treating anyone fecal around here is you. Your whole post went beyond passive aggressive right to aggressive aggressive. They made a line. A benchmark. A barrier for entry. That's all they did. And you are throwing a tantrum.

If you want to play on Hardcore, buy a VIP. If you support the game as much as you say you do - and are as aggrieved at not being able to play on the Special Event/Limited Time/First Time Doing This server as you claim to be, than it's a pretty small step. If not, if this is just a "moral stance" - than I suggest you take your own advice...
Deal with it...

And you're welcome.

[fatherpirate]

I would totally be ok with them selling hardcore character slots to nonVIP players.
1 character slot - 1000 TC
2nd and further slots - 2000 TC each after first
If the toon dies, it is deactivated to free up the slot, unless there already is another slot open

there - premium plan
have fun.

slots stay for account life so if they do this again, any paid slots are still there

[TitusOvid]

Why is this so much drama and the n-thread about this?! It boggles my mind, really. If this works out, I am sure SSG has some future plans and they will think about getting as much player in this event as possible. Be a bit patient, geez. And if they screw it up, they screw it up and you can't do anything anyways as always.
Permission to rant not only about OP but also to all others out their complaining not getting access.
See - Want - Consume - Now!
You are like little kids with no impulse control. [Redacted]
1 month VIP costs are roughly the same as 1 Max meal at McD. Instead of eating bad food that isn't sating (sounds wrong) at all and you get digestions problems and in the worst case scenario a heart attack spend that money on a whole month - that is 30 days! - on this new project and enjoy running Korthos over and over and over.
Rant done.

(Cheers,)
Titus.

[Diesel_Smurf]

Now see i wouldnt mind having to purchase the character slot to play there. But to just ban me from it all together is just wrong. And the leader board is not anything i am interested in. And yes i got agressive because i am being treated like something by SSG. You think im not because its not happening to you. How would you feel if they decided to give out a +20 heart of wood to the premium players just as a thank you for our purchases. Premium players only. Wouldnt you feel cheated?

[Memnir]

How would you feel if they decided to give out a +20 heart of wood to the premium players just as a thank you for our purchases. Premium players only. Wouldnt you feel cheated?I'm not Premium by my choice alone - so no. I may question the choice - but I wouldn't tantrum over it.

You do you, though.

[C-Dog]

Wouldnt you feel cheated?
No. Not remotely.

[Noir]

Now see i wouldnt mind having to purchase the character slot to play there. But to just ban me from it all together is just wrong. And the leader board is not anything i am interested in. And yes i got agressive because i am being treated like something by SSG. You think im not because its not happening to you. How would you feel if they decided to give out a +20 heart of wood to the premium players just as a thank you for our purchases. Premium players only. Wouldnt you feel cheated?

I honestly don't know of any VIP players that would not be considered Premium as well.
All you have to do to be considered a Premium Account is to have spent money in the DDO Store.
By that Criteria VIP players are in reality VIP/Premium players.

IMO the Premium Player's are not wanting to pony up the VIP fee's
Because they have a surplus of DDO points earned from playtime over the span of many past live's
And only want to be able to play essentially for free.

[C-Dog]

I honestly don't know of any VIP players that would not be considered Premium as well.
All you have to do to be considered a Premium Account is to have spent money in the DDO Store...
True, but DDO does not allow an account to be in 2 categories at the same time. So either VIP ~or~ Premium.

But yes, any VIP that stops their status def drops to Prem.

[TitusOvid]

Now see i wouldnt mind having to purchase the character slot to play there. But to just ban me from it all together is just wrong. And the leader board is not anything i am interested in. And yes i got agressive because i am being treated like something by SSG. You think im not because its not happening to you. How would you feel if they decided to give out a +20 heart of wood to the premium players just as a thank you for our purchases. Premium players only. Wouldnt you feel cheated?

Well, I would feel cheated if I would be VIP and have to pay for expansions nevertheless and NOT be able to buy any content/race/class that is covered by VIP ... Oh wait.

If you spend a certain amount of points aka money on one shopping trip, let's say arbitrary 10k, a +20 heart would be nice, yes. Being premium or VIP.
As premium you chose for what you want to spend your money on. This is pretty much the same. It is content that you have to buy for the price of VIP fee.
On the other hand, would you ask for a refund for those VIPs that won't play on hardcore?

Cheers,
Titus.

[slarden]

Yeah I know that..... or did you happen to miss the part where I said I SUPPORT THE GAME.... That means I pay MONEY

Then good news. You are not locked out you can sub for 90 days to get access. I would feel cheated if VIPs weren't given perks only available to VIPs. I pay 100 per year for VIP. 90 day access to hardcore costs 30.

[Diesel_Smurf]

I'm not Premium by my choice alone - so no. I may question the choice - but I wouldn't tantrum over it.

You do you, though.


Im not throwing a tantrum. I am upset. But a tantrum? No...
Im just saying i dont think its right to ban a portion of the game from the players. Nothing has ever been banned from the players before. Everything has always been available for purchase. Why now suddenly is this one thing not available for purchase?

But if it stays VIP only.... Oh well. I am not buying VIP just for this area. Some people cant always be VIP. Like when I was going through my Chemo and radiation. I didnt have the money to pay for VIP. I buy everything now in case my cancer comes back i will have access to everything. It really sucked when i couldnt play my toon because she was a Half Orc.

[Diesel_Smurf]

You can not purchase races and such with points when you are VIP so if your vip runs out. Your screwed. Not only was my one toon a half orc. But another was stuck in Threnal. I tried using the farshifter but it kept telling me i needed to purchase the pack. I had to put in a ticket to get out.

[Diesel_Smurf]

Then good news. You are not locked out you can sub for 90 days to get access. I would feel cheated if VIPs weren't given perks only available to VIPs. I pay 100 per year for VIP. 90 day access to hardcore costs 30.

read my reply to Memnir please

[Diesel_Smurf]

Well, I would feel cheated if I would be VIP and have to pay for expansions nevertheless and NOT be able to buy any content/race/class that is covered by VIP ... Oh wait.

If you spend a certain amount of points aka money on one shopping trip, let's say arbitrary 10k, a +20 heart would be nice, yes. Being premium or VIP.
As premium you chose for what you want to spend your money on. This is pretty much the same. It is content that you have to buy for the price of VIP fee.
On the other hand, would you ask for a refund for those VIPs that won't play on hardcore?

Cheers,
Titus.

no because its no different than all the packs i have that i have bought that i dont run... same same

your post made no sense dude

[Chai]

There really should be multiple premium tiers. Having to double dip to play on a server with the most players currently on it is questionable. It makes sense that a returning player who spent money on content in 2010 would need to sub up, but it doesnt make sense from a time / money standpoint that those who spent as much or more, and just as recently as folks with VIP, would now have to double dip just to get on the server.

Keep in mind I am referring to spending money, not just points.

[Hydian]

Nothing has ever been banned from the players before. Everything has always been available for purchase. Why now suddenly is this one thing not available for purchase?

1) It is not banned from anybody. There is a way for anybody who wants to play on HC to do so.
2) There is so much content behind a paywall in this game that to imply otherwise is simply laughable.
3) Nobody can "purchase it" because it is only going to be around for a limited time. At the end of the 90 days it will be gone, perhaps never to return. If they charged for it specifically, there'd be a reason to complain.
4) Complaining that you are barred from accessing it and want to purchase it and then complaining that the exiting method to gain access to it via purchase is unacceptable to you is disingenuous at best. If you want to play on HC, get a month of VIP.
5) Do you complain about the free shipping or movie access that Amazon Prime members get, too?

I've been on both sides of this...I own most of the packs, have 24 slots, all of the classes/races, etc. I was playing this game when it first came out, long before it went to a F2P model. I'm currently subbing because it makes sense for me at the moment. I would not have subbed just for HardCore and I would have found an option to buy it in the store kind of insulting to be honest. I never envied the perks that VIP got when I was Premium...if I wanted them, I could simply subscribe just like everybody else (and I have now that those perks make sense for me). Hardcore was released as a VIP perk, at least for this iteration, and if you want to enjoy VIP perks, you can easily subscribe. Nothing is preventing you from doing so except for you.

[Chai]

1) It is not banned from anybody. There is a way for anybody who wants to play on HC to do so.
2) There is so much content behind a paywall in this game that to imply otherwise is simply laughable.
3) Nobody can "purchase it" because it is only going to be around for a limited time. At the end of the 90 days it will be gone, perhaps never to return. If they charged for it specifically, there'd be a reason to complain.
4) Complaining that you are barred from accessing it and want to purchase it and then complaining that the exiting method to gain access to it via purchase is unacceptable to you is disingenuous at best. If you want to play on HC, get a month of VIP.
5) Do you complain about the free shipping or movie access that Amazon Prime members get, too?

I've been on both sides of this...I own most of the packs, have 24 slots, all of the classes/races, etc. I was playing this game when it first came out, long before it went to a F2P model. I'm currently subbing because it makes sense for me at the moment. I would not have subbed just for HardCore and I would have found an option to buy it in the store kind of insulting to be honest. I never envied the perks that VIP got when I was Premium...if I wanted them, I could simply subscribe just like everybody else (and I have now that those perks make sense for me). Hardcore was released as a VIP perk, at least for this iteration, and if you want to enjoy VIP perks, you can easily subscribe. Nothing is preventing you from doing so except for you.

What the quoted person is saying is everything offered to VIP is also for sale in an a-la-carte fashion, with this server access being the one exception. Using the "buyers vs renters" analogy, people who bought the content now have to rent it all again to access the server. AKA double dipping.

The obvious counter argument is that if they made it available for points no one would pay to sub to get onto the server.

I'm fine with it, but Ive been VIP the whole time. I can understand why premium folks have a complaint however. Its reasonable to not want to double dip just to get server access when someone owns all the content already.

[FURYous]

It's NEW content. It cost them money to pay the people who worked on getting this up and running with new rules and new programming ETC.

it only costs 33 cents a day to access it.

You buying packs and slots and other stuff was paying for the OLD content. Do you think you should get free upgrades for life on things you buy? If you buy a car should they replace your engine everytime they come out with a new model?

It's $10 for a whole month of access to a new and different server.

If you hate them and refuse to give them compensation for their work, then stop playing. If you love the game and really want to access the new stuff, go mow a lawn and you can play for months.

Regardless, this is worse case of entitlement I have seen in a long time. With all the stuff that happens in life, THIS is what you want to whine about over and over and over?

[AlmGhandi]

enjoy running Korthos over and over and over.

That's... tough.

[Chai]

What was purchased was (insert name here) content pack unlock on all servers - for each pack bought.

What was delivered is (insert name here) content pack on all servers except for the new one.

Now people have to rent what they already own in order to play where everyone else is playing.

Its called double dipping, and is not an "entitlement" case, nor is it "whining" to provide feedback on this matter.

No one is full of hate, or refusing to compensate. They were already compensated for their work, when the content packs and expansions were purchased for unlock on all servers (just like it used to say ALL classes were unlocked with VIP but doesnt any more).

Do you buy your car straight cash, then also pay a lease for it? Or do you choose one or the other?

Do you buy your house and ALSO pay rent to live there?

Keep in mind once again I'm VIP so it doesnt bother me personally, but I can objectively understand why people are against double dipping.

Objectively, we also understand WHY this is happening

This is a clear cut case of people earning points in game being used as justification for a poor monetization model coming back to bite them later on as the model advances in age, so they begin selling SOME benefits for monetary payment only, similar to some AP trees as well as expansions. What did they think would happen when this "can be earned in game" justification was tossed around ad nauseum to justify the model? The farmers would farm the bajesus out of the currency of progress needed to acquire everything they want free of charge, and the only way to address it is to redact the model somewhat and have items that can only be acquired through direct payment.

Microtrans**

**Except when we're not.

:p :p :p :p :p

[Diesel_Smurf]

1) It is not banned from anybody. There is a way for anybody who wants to play on HC to do so.
2) There is so much content behind a paywall in this game that to imply otherwise is simply laughable.
3) Nobody can "purchase it" because it is only going to be around for a limited time. At the end of the 90 days it will be gone, perhaps never to return. If they charged for it specifically, there'd be a reason to complain.
4) Complaining that you are barred from accessing it and want to purchase it and then complaining that the exiting method to gain access to it via purchase is unacceptable to you is disingenuous at best. If you want to play on HC, get a month of VIP.
5) Do you complain about the free shipping or movie access that Amazon Prime members get, too?

I've been on both sides of this...I own most of the packs, have 24 slots, all of the classes/races, etc. I was playing this game when it first came out, long before it went to a F2P model. I'm currently subbing because it makes sense for me at the moment. I would not have subbed just for HardCore and I would have found an option to buy it in the store kind of insulting to be honest. I never envied the perks that VIP got when I was Premium...if I wanted them, I could simply subscribe just like everybody else (and I have now that those perks make sense for me). Hardcore was released as a VIP perk, at least for this iteration, and if you want to enjoy VIP perks, you can easily subscribe. Nothing is preventing you from doing so except for you.


That is where you are wrong. people buy compasses, grogs and butter rum coffees from the store all the time when the event is out for the cove and might never use them all, and what if the cove never returns? so what we toss them outta our inventory. we bout some points to buy some things we needed for the event and that was that. i would buy a slot for an event if it comes out now and then if it doesnt again oh well. if it does cool i gotta toon slot dont i? dont tell me i need to buy vip everytime it comes out. i dont wanna be vip

[Saekee]

F2P and Premium Accounts, on any new character or server, must run Normal quests then Hard to finally have access to Elite UNLESS they USE two "stones" to jump to a 36 point build OR run around asking OPENER PLEASE!


This is the major reason I believe that HCL is a VIP experience versus open to all. The limited time frame puts F2P and Premium at an inherent disadvantage unless they ask for favors from VIPs. Based upon the number of deaths, people are creating many, many characters just to move up the game. Imagine starting a 28 point character running NHE getting zapped and then doing all over again.


VIP pays to have direct access to Elite. Granted you may have friends who will let you use their access for free but I doubt most people would enjoy running three times as many quests just to compete with VIPs. And as soon as your friends out level you by 4 Lvls they can't help you any more anyway.


Per the Wiki... http://ddowiki.com/page/Account_comparisons VIPS enter quests directly on Hard/Elite without having to run prior difficulties.

Just my respectful thoughts.
Even with this restriction, as a premium player, I would have jumped into hardcore. Not even for favor or leaderboards--I don't need to prove myself to anyone--just for the old school grouping and caution. I respect their decision to make it ViP only but I do wish they had made some way via points to do it for a while.

[Diesel_Smurf]

What was purchased was (insert name here) content pack unlock on all servers - for each pack bought.

What was delivered is (insert name here) content pack on all servers except for the new one.

Now people have to rent what they already own in order to play where everyone else is playing.

Its called double dipping, and is not an "entitlement" case, nor is it "whining" to provide feedback on this matter.

No one is full of hate, or refusing to compensate. They were already compensated for their work, when the content packs and expansions were purchased for unlock on all servers (just like it used to say ALL classes were unlocked with VIP but doesnt any more).

Do you buy your car straight cash, then also pay a lease for it? Or do you choose one or the other?

Do you buy your house and ALSO pay rent to live there?

Keep in mind once again I'm VIP so it doesnt bother me personally, but I can objectively understand why people are against double dipping.

Objectively, we also understand WHY this is happening

This is a clear cut case of people earning points in game being used as justification for a poor monetization model coming back to bite them later on as the model advances in age, so they begin selling SOME benefits for monetary payment only, similar to some AP trees as well as expansions. What did they think would happen when this "can be earned in game" justification was tossed around ad nauseum to justify the model? The farmers would farm the bajesus out of the currency of progress needed to acquire everything they want free of charge, and the only way to address it is to redact the model somewhat and have items that can only be acquired through direct payment.

Microtrans**

**Except when we're not.

:p :p :p :p :p


wait you're telling me that everything i have access to on all the servers would not be available to me on the hard core server? and since when? because when i put my codes in my account on the Turbine My Account page after purchasing them, it says content now available on all servers. there is nothing that says if new servers are made the content will have to be repurchased for those servers. I read ..... and keep every receipt. for my purchases for this game in my email

[Careall]

Diesel_Smurf, I'm seeing a lot of trigger words. Maybe consider the perspective of what you are saying and it should really make some sense rather than attempt to trigger emotional responses against SSG. I'm calling you out on this only because I see it online too much these days; not because I think you are wrong, but I hope you can see this is a path one shouldn't travel down. Here are some examples from your posts.

"Wrong": How is SSG wrong for any business decision? Because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. Best case, take SSG to court and have a judge agree with you they are wrong. Otherwise, "wrong" is only a trigger word.

"Banned": I'm fairly sure that not one person [that hasn't been banned from DDO altogether] is banned from getting a VIP account and participating in the HC server event. Your choice not to get a VIP account is just that, not a ban against you - except maybe by yourself against yourself. Saying you are "banned" is just another trigger.

"Cheated": How are you being cheated? You didn't buy anything that ever once said you would get access to everything DDO has to offer: No one has, as far as I can tell - even VIPs. I'm VIP and don't have Sharn or Ravenloft because I didn't purchase them. I wasn't "cheated." Now I could list some areas in which I feel DDO (not SSG) has changed enough rules as to cheat folks, but HC server access certainly isn't even close to being one of them.

"I am being treated like something by SSG": While there is no way for me to know for certain, I am positive enough there is nothing personal from SSG against you. They are not treating you like anything other than any other Premium subscriber. Trying to make this personal is another way to trigger some type of emotional outrage.

Look. I get that you may have had a lot of difficulty in your life and may have financial challenges. Within the scope of financial consideration, you have to give some things up. I've had to decide not to buy Ravenloft and Sharn at this time. Did you buy them? Life isn't fair that way. But SSG/DDO and life are not the same, unless you make SSG/DDO your life - and that would be on you.

[Tscheuss]

I recall that Customer Support for Premium accounts was based on how much money was spent within a given time period. I suppose that mechanic could also be used to provide Premium access to the HC server at some time. Then again, all the other premium players who hadn't spent any money in the past year would be demanding access, as well. The "Haves" got it; the "Have nots" want it.

If it makes you feel better, the progressive servers on Hobbit side are VIP-only, too.

[Diesel_Smurf]

Diesel_Smurf, I'm seeing a lot of trigger words. Maybe consider the perspective of what you are saying and it should really make some sense rather than attempt to trigger emotional responses against SSG. I'm calling you out on this only because I see it online too much these days; not because I think you are wrong, but I hope you can see this is a path one shouldn't travel down. Here are some examples from your posts.

"Wrong": How is SSG wrong for any business decision? Because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. Best case, take SSG to court and have a judge agree with you they are wrong. Otherwise, "wrong" is only a trigger word.

"Banned": I'm fairly sure that not one person [that hasn't been banned from DDO altogether] is banned from getting a VIP account and participating in the HC server event. Your choice not to get a VIP account is just that, not a ban against you - except maybe by yourself against yourself. Saying you are "banned" is just another trigger.

"Cheated": How are you being cheated? You didn't buy anything that ever once said you would get access to everything DDO has to offer: No one has, as far as I can tell - even VIPs. I'm VIP and don't have Sharn or Ravenloft because I didn't purchase them. I wasn't "cheated." Now I could list some areas in which I feel DDO (not SSG) has changed enough rules as to cheat folks, but HC server access certainly isn't even close to being one of them.

"I am being treated like something by SSG": While there is no way for me to know for certain, I am positive enough there is nothing personal from SSG against you. They are not treating you like anything other than any other Premium subscriber. Trying to make this personal is another way to trigger some type of emotional outrage.

Look. I get that you may have had a lot of difficulty in your life and may have financial challenges. Within the scope of financial consideration, you have to give some things up. I've had to decide not to buy Ravenloft and Sharn at this time. Did you buy them? Life isn't fair that way. But SSG/DDO and life are not the same, unless you make SSG/DDO your life - and that would be on you.


I can see the trigger words you're talking about. But I never said it was just "Me" . I said "Premium" players who have purchased a lit of content like me.

And that still does not answer my question....
Is the content I purchased available on HC server? Because if it is not
I don't want anything to do with it anyway.

[Chai]

wait you're telling me that everything i have access to on all the servers would not be available to me on the hard core server? and since when? because when i put my codes in my account on the Turbine My Account page after purchasing them, it says content now available on all servers. there is nothing that says if new servers are made the content will have to be repurchased for those servers. I read ..... and keep every receipt. for my purchases for this game in my email

In order to have that access you need to be able to get onto the server.

Cant get onto the server = no access to what you bought on that server = not having access on ALL servers.

AKA - being denied access by proxy is still being denied access.

Now that this payment model is well aged into this game and plenty of folks have large point totals tallied up, we will see more and more items sold for real money only which are either not available for points, or withheld from point purchases for significant periods of time in order to incentivize paying real money.

This is where the "it can be earned in game" justification contradicts itself, as does the audience who used that justification in the past, with heavy overlap in the audience who now justifies limiting items to RMT only with no microtrans option.

But but...it can be earned in game so its OK**

**except when it cant be earned in game.

[Chai]

"Wrong": How is SSG wrong for any business decision? Because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong.

Its objectively wrong when its marketed one way and then the agreement is altered. (Pray its not altered any further?) :p

VIP used to be marketed saying ALL classes were included. Now some are purchase only. Point purchases are withheld for long periods of time to incentivize RMT.

VIP used to be marketed saying access to ALL content. Now some is RMT only and doesnt get added to the store for points until much later.

F2P = access to all servers, up to when it =/= access to all servers.

This type of backpedaling to good old fashioned RMT is an admission to the faults of the payment model - faults which were denied years ago and dismissed as conspiracy theory etc. It exhibits a lack of foresight any further than the next fiscal quarter when this microtrans model was implemented. When you offer something "free" in a game as justification for implementing said model, there will be farmers who farm the currency of progress to get it free, and after 10 years of the business model being in the game (the RMT only purchases actually began 3 years after microtrans, not 10 years) there are enough people (even non-farmers) with large point totals where most would just pay the points and the company would not see much profit.

Keep in mind once again Im VIP and am not affected personally, but its easy to objectively understand why people (premium players) would be disappointed in having the majority of the populace shunted to one server for 3 months and being told they have to double dip (rent all the content they already bought) to play there.

[Careall]

Its objectively wrong when its marketed one way and then the agreement is altered. (Pray its not altered any further?) :p

Some of what you are talking about are some things I agree with, but have little or nothing to do with opening a new server and limiting access to VIPs. What you are agitating for is a transfer of existing terms and conditions to a new service: That's not the way new services work. Also, and again, "objectively wrong" belongs in a court room with a judge agreeing with you, not on a forum trying to sway opinions.

[Memnir]

And that still does not answer my question....
Is the content I purchased available on HC server? Because if it is not
I don't want anything to do with it anyway.Everything I have purchased outside of VIP is still there on HC, beyond a few items that seem like everyone on that server are having issues with. Looking at you, Alabaster Lioness.


Non-Issue.


And I think you and I have more in common than you may think. I've had chronic and increasing health problems since 2010. The bills have been huge, and my view on my own permanence has been stripped away. Yeah - I get it. But, I still feel that you could have presented your views in a more constructive fashion. I'm willing to chalk it up to bygones, and differences of opinion. At the end of the day, no harm no foul. :)

You seem like a decent guy, Diesel. I'm sorry you've had the health challenges you have. I'm a very understanding ear to those problems because I've not only been there - I'm still there. Peace and happiness, brother.

[Chai]

Some of what you are talking about are some things I agree with, but have little or nothing to do with opening a new server and limiting access to VIPs.

But it does have to do with just that: limiting access to HOW someone paid, rather than HOW MUCH.


What you are agitating for is a transfer of existing terms and conditions to a new service: That's not the way new services work.

Nope. I am pointing out the fault in the payment model which some of us had the foresight to see, while many did not. The fault is exhibited by the fact that folks who already paid for their content throughout the years would have to double dip and rent the same content they already bought, paying the FULL vip fee in order to gain the one new benefit of playing on the server most of the populace is playing on currently. It focuses on HOW people paid rather than HOW MUCH they paid.


Also, and again, "objectively wrong" belongs in a court room with a judge agreeing with you, not on a forum trying to sway opinions.

The term applies here too, and thus I will use it here too. I dont fall into the trap of controlling the terms used in a discussion, because when that happens, the same people control the entire discussion through being able to lawyer (ironic eh?) what can and cannot be said in a specific locale. If you have a counter point I welcome it, but attempts to limit what can or cant be said are denied. Usually this tactic of controlling the terms used gets trotted out when no valid counterpoint can be made. If a valid counterpoint can be made, address the following statement in it:

It is objectively wrong to have two payment models (owner model and rental model) and ask people to double dip (rent what they already own) in order to get on a server most of the populace is currently playing on, while having no option for the other model other than double dipping.

AKA - If you are going to have two payment models, every benefit should have a purchase option in each payment model.

Once again keep in mind that Im saying this as a VIP, who understands objectively why premium model players would be disappointed that there is no option for them to get onto this server without double dipping.

[Careall]

It is objectively wrong to have two payment models (owner model and rental model) and ask people to double dip (rent what they already own) in order to get on a server most of the populace is currently playing on, while having no option for the other model other than double dipping.

AKA - If you are going to have two payment models, every benefit should have a purchase option in each payment model.

Without a common understanding of what words mean, conversations are pointless. Use the term if you like. However, it seems I don't share your understanding of "objectively wrong," so it is only noise that will get ignored going forward. Otherwise...

I get what you are saying about ownership versus rent. The ownership terms didn't change at all when SSG added a new service. You can say "new server" all you want, but the HC server isn't just another server, it's nearly a whole new game experience that happens to be in a familiar setting. If, for example, SSG created a whole new MMO, you certainly couldn't expect to carry your DDO purchases over to the new MMO (or would you?!).

This feeling of unfairness is a little like someone cutting in line at the coffee shop. I get we feel angry, like something has been taken from us. In most cases, even the lost time is a negligible loss. However [and I want to be clear that I can imagine some bizarre case where this statement wouldn't be true], nothing is truly taken from us when someone else cuts in line in front of us. The same goes for DDO/SSG adding a HC server. Something was added, but nothing was taken away. We might feel like we didn't get something we "deserved," but nothing has been lost. That would be "wrong."

[FURYous]

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[Diesel_Smurf]

Its objectively wrong when its marketed one way and then the agreement is altered. (Pray its not altered any further?) :p

VIP used to be marketed saying ALL classes were included. Now some are purchase only. Point purchases are withheld for long periods of time to incentivize RMT.

VIP used to be marketed saying access to ALL content. Now some is RMT only and doesnt get added to the store for points until much later.

F2P = access to all servers, up to when it =/= access to all servers.

This type of backpedaling to good old fashioned RMT is an admission to the faults of the payment model - faults which were denied years ago and dismissed as conspiracy theory etc. It exhibits a lack of foresight any further than the next fiscal quarter when this microtrans model was implemented. When you offer something "free" in a game as justification for implementing said model, there will be farmers who farm the currency of progress to get it free, and after 10 years of the business model being in the game (the RMT only purchases actually began 3 years after microtrans, not 10 years) there are enough people (even non-farmers) with large point totals where most would just pay the points and the company would not see much profit.

Keep in mind once again Im VIP and am not affected personally, but its easy to objectively understand why people (premium players) would be disappointed in having the majority of the populace shunted to one server for 3 months and being told they have to double dip (rent all the content they already bought) to play there.



Thank you......
And it's not that I want it free. If they want to make sure they make money off this server, why don't they make it so you can only buy the access to it on the DDO Market? You can not use points on the Market. No farming there.
But we should all still have access to anything we have purchased account wise. But I would pay a one time fee to have access to the HC server. Make it so I have everything I have on any other server, and yeah.... I'll pay a decent price for access.

[Phoenicis]

Thank you......
And it's not that I want it free. If they want to make sure they make money off this server, why don't they make it so you can only buy the access to it on the DDO Market? You can not use points on the Market. No farming there.
But we should all still have access to anything we have purchased account wise. But I would pay a one time fee to have access to the HC server. Make it so I have everything I have on any other server, and yeah.... I'll pay a decent price for access.

*blink

They have.

it's $30.

It's called a three month subscription to VIP.

[Diesel_Smurf]

Everything I have purchased outside of VIP is still there on HC, beyond a few items that seem like everyone on that server are having issues with. Looking at you, Alabaster Lioness.


Non-Issue.


And I think you and I have more in common than you may think. I've had chronic and increasing health problems since 2010. The bills have been huge, and my view on my own permanence has been stripped away. Yeah - I get it. But, I still feel that you could have presented your views in a more constructive fashion. I'm willing to chalk it up to bygones, and differences of opinion. At the end of the day, no harm no foul. :)

You seem like a decent guy, Diesel. I'm sorry you've had the health challenges you have. I'm a very understanding ear to those problems because I've not only been there - I'm still there. Peace and happiness, brother.


Thanks Memnir appreciate it.

But shhhhhh don't tell anyone



I'm a girl..........lol ;) lol no harm no foul ;)

[Diesel_Smurf]

*blink

They have.

it's $30.

It's called a three month subscription to VIP.



I don't wanna pay for 3 months for everything I already own just for a server. No thank you.

[Phoenicis]

I don't wanna pay for 3 months for everything I already own just for a server. No thank you.

I'm curious then, what WOULD you be willing to pay? You said a 'decent price'. What would you consider fair?

[Diesel_Smurf]

But it does have to do with just that: limiting access to HOW someone paid, rather than HOW MUCH.



Nope. I am pointing out the fault in the payment model which some of us had the foresight to see, while many did not. The fault is exhibited by the fact that folks who already paid for their content throughout the years would have to double dip and rent the same content they already bought, paying the FULL vip fee in order to gain the one new benefit of playing on the server most of the populace is playing on currently. It focuses on HOW people paid rather than HOW MUCH they paid.



The term applies here too, and thus I will use it here too. I dont fall into the trap of controlling the terms used in a discussion, because when that happens, the same people control the entire discussion through being able to lawyer (ironic eh?) what can and cannot be said in a specific locale. If you have a counter point I welcome it, but attempts to limit what can or cant be said are denied. Usually this tactic of controlling the terms used gets trotted out when no valid counterpoint can be made. If a valid counterpoint can be made, address the following statement in it:

It is objectively wrong to have two payment models (owner model and rental model) and ask people to double dip (rent what they already own) in order to get on a server most of the populace is currently playing on, while having no option for the other model other than double dipping.

AKA - If you are going to have two payment models, every benefit should have a purchase option in each payment model.

Once again keep in mind that Im saying this as a VIP, who understands objectively why premium model players would be disappointed that there is no option for them to get onto this server without double dipping.


Wow you said it all there!! In a much better fashion than i. :)

[Memnir]

Thanks Memnir appreciate it.

But shhhhhh don't tell anyone



I'm a girl..........lol ;) lol no harm no foul ;)Ah, the anonymity of the internet. :D
And I genuinely do apologize for the assumptions made. Trying to do better with that, but I am a middle-aged white guy who is trying his best to change habits while my kids keep informing me it's not enough.

[Diesel_Smurf]

Ah, the anonymity of the internet. :D
And I genuinely do apologize for the assumptions made. Trying to do better with that, but I am a middle-aged white guy who is trying his best to change habits while my kids keep informing me it's not enough.



Lol no problem

Completely understand. Same here only of the fairer gender... of course. I've been known to rub a few the wrong way a time or two. (Sorry about that) Usually one of my sons are quick to inform me of it lol.

[TitusOvid]

Since this made no sense to the OP, I try to explain better. English is not my first language. So I get this sometimes.


Well, I would feel cheated if I would be VIP and have to pay for expansions nevertheless and NOT be able to buy any content/race/class that is covered by VIP ... Oh wait.


I think the payment models - be it VIP or premium - are far from fair and the quote above was trying to point out that VIP gets cheated, too. In my opinion of course.


snip.
How would you feel if they decided to give out a +20 heart of wood to the premium players just as a thank you for our purchases. Premium players only. Wouldnt you feel cheated?



If you spend a certain amount of points aka money on one shopping trip, let's say arbitrary 10k, a +20 heart would be nice, yes. Being premium or VIP.

I didn't get the sense of your example obviously. But in hindsight I don't get my answer either anymore. So moving on.



As premium you chose for what you want to spend your money on. This is pretty much the same. It is content that you have to buy for the price of VIP fee.
On the other hand, would you ask for a refund for those VIPs that won't play on hardcore?


I couldn't relate to the problem of double dipping as Chai put it because I see hardcore as a different game albeit time-limited with the same content. Because it may have the same quests but the permadeath concept makes it a different game (mode). It is hard to explain but it is kind of like an adaptation. The movie tells the same story as the book but it is a totally different medium.
And I have to buy that game (mode), if I want to play.

I can see your point tough now, too.
It is not perfect but I presume SSG will gain more players and spenders than lose over this.

Anyway, happy questing.
Cheers,
Titus.

[slarden]

read my reply to Memnir please
I am paying 100 for vip. You can get access to the event for 30 and still have a lower cost overall than me. There is not a problem.

[Diesel_Smurf]

I am paying 100 for vip. You can get access to the event for 30 and still have a lower cost overall than me. There is not a problem.


You pay 100 to rent content you don't own every 12 months. That's what you get for your 100 dollars. Don't compare 12 months to 3 months. Either way. They want me to spend 30 dollars just for access to that server and the perks of vip, because I already own everything you are renting. No thank you. Let me put it this way....

How many VIP players did DDO lose to Premium account Access when Expansion packs came out.? "All access " was the the thing VIP was saying it offered. They didn't understand why they had to purchase the expansion packs. And I don't know why they do either!!! All access means...... ALL ACCESS!!!! To races, classes, quests, everything!!
If you are going to keep paying, and paying, and paying, and paying...... then you should have access to everything automatically.... that is what VERY IMPORTANT PLAYER means..... you should be top notch.
If that's what VIP was.... then yes if go VIP

Until then ..... no.
I already bought everything. Everything has always been up for sale, available,....
If they wanna isolate their players that's on them

[psykopeta]

U know, i have the 2 month vip from some expansion pack and... I should be quite drunk or dumb to use it for playing HC

It's better used in an alt account to open/loot whatever for 2 months than spending in cosmetic servwr

Wait wait wait how come so many players are asking for more stuff like pots and ottos with expansions and they're even against cosmetics but... Then they go like mad after a vip code to play HC for cosmetic stuff (but only if others can see it... Really? I want to see my toon cool, not what others see in my toon lol)?!?!

Idk, idc

[slarden]

You pay 100 to rent content you don't own every 12 months. That's what you get for your 100 dollars. Don't compare 12 months to 3 months. Either way. They want me to spend 30 dollars just for access to that server and the perks of vip, because I already own everything you are renting. No thank you. Let me put it this way....

How many VIP players did DDO lose to Premium account Access when Expansion packs came out.? "All access " was the the thing VIP was saying it offered. They didn't understand why they had to purchase the expansion packs. And I don't know why they do either!!! All access means...... ALL ACCESS!!!! To races, classes, quests, everything!!
If you are going to keep paying, and paying, and paying, and paying...... then you should have access to everything automatically.... that is what VERY IMPORTANT PLAYER means..... you should be top notch.
If that's what VIP was.... then yes if go VIP

Until then ..... no.
I already bought everything. Everything has always been up for sale, available,....
If they wanna isolate their players that's on them

Pay 30 to go on hc server and you still have lower overall cost than vips or don’t pay and complain - don’t care either way.. Either way it’s fine how it is now. If anything they need more things like this for vips to show the value of being vip.

there is no problem here except the way you look at it.

[Clemeit]

I agree with you. It feels like they're stiffing premium players - many of whom have spent a great deal more money on this game than VIPs (I'm one of them).

However I can see the flip side of things. They're throwing a bone to VIPs because, let's be honest, being VIP kinda sucks.

As for the "this will entice premium players to go VIP," I don't really agree. Sure if you spent a few dollars here and there then it might be a good idea to go VIP. But as someone who has spent anywhere from $1.5k-2k on this game, there's absolutely no way I'm going VIP for HCL. I own everything. I'd literally be paying $30 for a single round of HCL and I just don't see that as a good monetary investment. (I also really don't agree with how SSG has been doing things lately, so I haven't spent money on this game in quite some time now, and don't plan on it till some things change.)

[Tscheuss]

When this game used to have customer service in game, VIP's always had access, and Premium had access for a period of time based on how much they spent on the game within a certain time frame. Maybe the next HC event could provide access on that model?

From wiki

Premium accounts have Full Customer Service for a number of days after a purchase of DDO Points (posted 03-12-2010, 11:03 AM EDT (GMT-4)):

$1.00 – 15 days
$14.99 – 30 days
$30.00 – 90 days
$60.00 – 180 days
$100.00 – 365 days


So pretty much like buying VIP, but buying points or Market stuff instead.

[Fedora1]

Im just saying i dont think its right to ban a portion of the game from the players. Nothing has ever been banned from the players before. Everything has always been available for purchase. Why now suddenly is this one thing not available for purchase?

But if it stays VIP only.... Oh well. I am not buying VIP just for this area.


You: Nothing has been banned from players before, you could always purchase it.
Also you: I'm not purchasing VIP for this.

Pony up $30 and BAM - you purchased access to the hardcore server. Or, make a whiny thread that goes on for a couple weeks and claim it's not a tantrum.

[Tscheuss]

You: Nothing has been banned from players before, you could always purchase it.
Also you: I'm not purchasing VIP for this.

Pony up $30 and BAM - you purchased access to the hardcore server. Or, make a whiny thread that goes on for a couple weeks and claim it's not a tantrum.

I think he is saying that he should also have access by buying $35 in DP.

[Diesel_Smurf]

You: Nothing has been banned from players before, you could always purchase it.
Also you: I'm not purchasing VIP for this.

Pony up $30 and BAM - you purchased access to the hardcore server. Or, make a whiny thread that goes on for a couple weeks and claim it's not a tantrum.


I think he is saying that he should also have access by buying $35 in DP.

They apparently don't understand that when I say buy , I mean one time purchase. Not continued payments.... Which is actually renting, not buying.

When you buy something, you pay for it, and it is yours.

To make monthly payments on something and stop and not have it anymore once you stop.... Means you were just renting it.

So no, Ponying up 30 bucks won't make it mine.... Unless that is how much they decide I can purchase it for a one time purchase fee.

[Fedora1]

They apparently don't understand that when I say buy , I mean one time purchase. Not continued payments.... Which is actually renting, not buying.

When you buy something, you pay for it, and it is yours.

To make monthly payments on something and stop and not have it anymore once you stop.... Means you were just renting it.

So no, Ponying up 30 bucks won't make it mine.... Unless that is how much they decide I can purchase it for a one time purchase fee.

Six of one and half a dozen of another are the same thing.

I'm sorry you'd rather complain than admit it. The HC server goes down on Nov 15 and we all lose access at that time. So again, $30 and it would have been all yours.

Now give it a rest. You were wrong at the start of the thread and you are still wrong now.

[Diesel_Smurf]

Six of one and half a dozen of another are the same thing.

I'm sorry you'd rather complain than admit it. The HC server goes down on Nov 15 and we all lose access at that time. So again, $30 and it would have been all yours.

Now give it a rest. You were wrong at the start of the thread and you are still wrong now.

No I'm not wrong.... But think what you like.... I'm not paying full VIP price for just a server. When I own everything else.
Make it like 3$ a month for each month each time they bring it out and then I'll do it. That way what I've purchased is on the hard core server as well no more no less. But to make me pay full price for VIP just to access a server???
There needs to be just a hard core server access fee.

Or something if they don't want to make it buyable. But I can not see making people pay full VIP access...
No Thank You!

And just because you are VIP and are one of those who look down on the premium players who buy everything.... ( Which I never understood why......) It does NOT mean that YOU are right......... so how bout you take your own advice and give it a rest.

[psykopeta]

No I'm not wrong.... But think what you like.... I'm not paying full VIP price for just a server. When I own everything else.
Make it like 3$ a month for each month each time they bring it out and then I'll do it. That way what I've purchased is on the hard core server as well no more no less. But to make me pay full price for VIP just to access a server???
There needs to be just a hard core server access fee.

Or something if they don't want to make it buyable. But I can not see making people pay full VIP access...
No Thank You!

And just because you are VIP and are one of those who look down on the premium players who buy everything.... ( Which I never understood why......) It does NOT mean that YOU are right......... so how bout you take your own advice and give it a rest.

not sure if u ever read anything on any videogame (specially true on mmorpg), but u don't own, a ****

u can pay monthly, all at once, a mix of both, microtransactions, nobody cares, u have nothing

it was true when u could buy a physical game and then pay (or not) for multiplayer, now u pay for the right of playing, call it renting, call it... lol u didn't know it?

[Silverleafeon]

I and others do feel that VIP does not have enough perks, this is a nice addition.
Hoping there will be more VIP only servers in the future.

(The day they put tons of old packs inside MotU and placed the whole thing with a ddo point bonus on Black Friday at 75% off, is the day so many folks switched to premium?)


Perhaps there should be three forms of VIP:


Daily Gold rolls with large prepayment gaining packs to own as they come out = the current model they sold awhile back

Standard VIP as seen now

Basic VIP for those folks doing the buy as you go route - not sure exactly what this would look like.
Perhaps it would be own as it comes out without the extra gold rolls and extras?




PS VIP folks don't dislike Premium folks.
It is silly to think so, although VIP folks do want more bang for their buck, just like everyone else.

[Fedora1]

No I'm not wrong.... But think what you like.... I'm not paying full VIP price for just a server. When I own everything else.


Full VIP price is paying that forever. Paying it ONCE to access the server while it is online is not. So of course I think you're wrong.



Make it like 3$ a month for each month each time they bring it out and then I'll do it. That way what I've purchased is on the hard core server as well no more no less. But to make me pay full price for VIP just to access a server???
There needs to be just a hard core server access fee.
Or something if they don't want to make it buyable. But I can not see making people pay full VIP access...
No Thank You!

Well maybe if you worked for SSG you could make that happen, meanwhile you can pay the $30 for access, although at this point you've whined your way through roughly half the life of the HC server, so the cost is now higher than it would have been a couple months ago.



And just because you are VIP and are one of those who look down on the premium players who buy everything.... ( Which I never understood why......) It does NOT mean that YOU are right......... so how bout you take your own advice and give it a rest.

I don't look down on premium players. It's just a choice you made, just like I chose to go VIP. So now live with your choice instead of acting like SSG and VIPs are treating you like second class citizens, because we're not. You have the same opportunities as everyone else, you just made a different decision based on what was best for you. And I did give it a rest, but you necro'd your own thread 18 days after the last comment so you could vent some more.

[fatherpirate]

Keep in mind, this is new. So they will be adjusting it based on feedback.

I hope they institute Hardcore Server slots on sale in the 'in game' coin store.
Cheap slot only good for one event cycle, and a more expensive
one good for every event cycle.
If you buy a slot, that character is considered VIP, only on the Hardcore server.

simple change, company makes money, players get to play...win/win

[Fedora1]

Keep in mind, this is new. So they will be adjusting it based on feedback.

I hope they institute Hardcore Server slots on sale in the 'in game' coin store.
Cheap slot only good for one event cycle, and a more expensive
one good for every event cycle.
If you buy a slot, that character is considered VIP, only on the Hardcore server.

simple change, company makes money, players get to play...win/win

I can see non-VIPs complain once they start playing on a HC server though, for instance if they don't own all content they may have a hard time getting the needed xp or favor to earn the cosmetics. Same if they have to open on Normal instead of elite or reaper if a group is unavailable or they choose to solo. These should be things they are aware of prior to purchasing HC access, but I guarantee it won't stop the complaints from rolling in.

[fatherpirate]

nah, not a problem, if they buy a Hardcore server character slot, THAT toon is considered VIP so they can enter
dungeons at max difficulty same as any other player there.

as for content, I think I would include access to ALL dungeons...but that is it...premium goodies and classes
have to be purchased by the player...same as rest of VIP but that is not a big deal
because most of it is already available with VIP status.

[Fedora1]

nah, not a problem, if they buy a Hardcore server character slot, THAT toon is considered VIP so they can enter
dungeons at max difficulty same as any other player there.

as for content, I think I would include access to ALL dungeons...but that is it...premium goodies and classes
have to be purchased by the player...same as rest of VIP but that is not a big deal
because most of it is already available with VIP status.

Assuming the devs have a way of keeping track of account status on a per server basis. Never been done in DDO before. They would have to combine whatever Premium features they have along with this supposed "HC only" VIP status. I am guessing it would be too much trouble to code and would be a problem.

[fatherpirate]

They kinda already do that.

That is how they know if you should have access to the Hardcore server or
even for that matter which players have access to sharn or not.

Adjusting for dungeon access on one server is easy, just manually set all the dungeons on that server to be free access.
It really would not have anything to do with any single player since all players on the server should have access for all of it.

Easy enough.

Can they do it, ya
Is it easy to do...pretty much
Do they want to do it ??? that is the real question

[Fedora1]

Do they want to do it ??? that is the real question

Actually no, the real question is still "Can they do it".

I have never heard of a "set this server so everyone can access all quests" button as you suggest.

The way they know you have access to the HC server is by checking to see if you are VIP or not.

The way they know if you have access to Sharn is by checking your account, which is inclusive of all game worlds.

[The_Apocalypse]

Rant, tantrum, arguing...

I like pie...

Bacon pie...

12 layers...

[Diesel_Smurf]

They kinda already do that.

That is how they know if you should have access to the Hardcore server or
even for that matter which players have access to sharn or not.

Adjusting for dungeon access on one server is easy, just manually set all the dungeons on that server to be free access.
It really would not have anything to do with any single player since all players on the server should have access for all of it.

Easy enough.

Can they do it, ya
Is it easy to do...pretty much
Do they want to do it ??? that is the real question

Sorry, just now seeing all your replies. My email was full of other stuff...

Reading your post here got me to thinking.... Maybe all the quests are already set to anyone can get in. And that's why the server itself is VIP only. And if they let us premium players in, they would have to change all the programming for all the quests.... ?

Cause I had sent in a request for a Hard Core Server Access Fee. For the premium players. A fee that's not full VIP price. Giving us just the access to the content we own over there. And each time it comes out we have to pay the access fee again. But I got no response....

[Fedora1]

Cause I had sent in a request for a Hard Core Server Access Fee. For the premium players. A fee that's not full VIP price. Giving us just the access to the content we own over there. And each time it comes out we have to pay the access fee again. But I got no response....

I could see them doing this and would not be against it as a VIP. The only reasons I could see them not doing this:

1. They want to use the HC League as a means to recruit more VIPs.
2. They want to avoid the cries of those who don't own a lot of content being at a huge disadvantage on HC trying to get the needed xp/favor/RP for the rewards.

[LOOON375]

It's been known for YEARS, way before the hardcore server, that VIP's would have access to content that premiums wouldn't have.

As others have stated, if playing the hardcore server means that much to you, you should have just paid the $30 for access.

You had no problem paying for content previously that VIPs had access too.

I fail to see the problem here.

Don't forget to have fun

[Diesel_Smurf]

I could see them doing this and would not be against it as a VIP. The only reasons I could see them not doing this:

1. They want to use the HC League as a means to recruit more VIPs.
2. They want to avoid the cries of those who don't own a lot of content being at a huge disadvantage on HC trying to get the needed xp/favor/RP for the rewards.


We'll see now that could be fixed, cause if they want everything open to them then they can pay the full VIP price. That's worth it. I'll admit that. Cause when I'm on a new character and I'm doing a high xp quest, I buy the elite unlock from the DDO store. And not having to spend my points on unlocks would be nice.
Believe me, I miss being VIP. It's just not in my budget anymore. So I buy the points to buy the packs and I purchase the expansion packs. I usually buy the big packs. But sad to say, this time I was holding off buying Sharn til I could afford to buy the big pack, and a friend of mine got tired of not being able to quest with me over there they bought me the small one. I am blessed with wonderful friends.

I apologise to any of you whom I may have offended. It's been a rough few years..
Guess I'm just a bit touchy...

[Diesel_Smurf]

It's been known for YEARS, way before the hardcore server, that VIP's would have access to content that premiums wouldn't have.

As others have stated, if playing the hardcore server means that much to you, you should have just paid the $30 for access.

You had no problem paying for content previously that VIPs had access too.

I fail to see the problem here.

Don't forget to have fun

But I didn't have to pay VIP price to get access to that content if I didn't want to. That was my whole argument.
I had the choice to either pay a one time fee for access to that content, or pay VIP access for it. But suddenly they made this and the Docks VIP only. See what I mean??