TR and ETR methods

[Nickodeamous]

Hi guys!

I am looking to find out what people do for their TRs and ETRs. I am currently at 3 racial TRs and 20 ETRs. I think I am leaning towards just ETRing and immediately TRing and running from 1 to 30.

Benefits I see:
1st time XP Bonuses all the way up!
resetting slayers
essentially getting 2 bonuses every time I do this (ETR past life and Racial)

Negatives:
length between TRs
Not getting racials done as quickly (delays extra enhancement points)
Slower RXP due to not staying at cap and running daily RXP quests

What do you guys do and what works for you? I am about to ETR and TR, and want to know if maybe I should just ETR and runj back up once more before I TR:)

Thanks,
Nico

[Cantor]

Hi guys!

I am looking to find out what people do for their TRs and ETRs. I am currently at 3 racial TRs and 20 ETRs. I think I am leaning towards just ETRing and immediately TRing and running from 1 to 30.

Benefits I see:
1st time XP Bonuses all the way up!
resetting slayers
essentially getting 2 bonuses every time I do this (ETR past life and Racial)

Negatives:
length between TRs
Not getting racials done as quickly (delays extra enhancement points)
Slower RXP due to not staying at cap and running daily RXP quests

What do you guys do and what works for you? I am about to ETR and TR, and want to know if maybe I should just ETR and runj back up once more before I TR:)

Thanks,
Nico

1-30 has the advantage of not having to farm tokens if you work in the right quests. I did most of my racial 1to20 since I had already done all epics. Dont forget iconics for heroic lives. I'd use my 1 and up runs primarily racial.

My buddy has all racial and heroic but needs epic. We're experimenting with epic methods. Looking at 3 epics per tr to be most efficient. So an iconic and 2 epics or 1to20 with 3 epics. This is based on saving sagas prepping wilderness and exping in legendary stuff asap. RL around 26 and sharn at 28. There is plenty for multiple ER per tr. If you need the tr though, you could easily just do 1to30 and get it all.

[boredGamer]

Whatever you find the most interesting and enjoyable.

If you reach a point where epics or heroic is just not enjoyable, switch. If you reach a point where a certain build isn't enjoyable, switch. If you are tired of all these things, take a break.

I personally organized my PL's in terms of above plus whatever I thought would be most useful as I went forward. Ala. 3 wiz lifes for a caster build, followed by arcane epic pl's, etc.

Just did a 1-30 cleric to party more and play to cap, but will probably bang out 6 racials next with sorc or warlock depending on how I'm feeling.


The only time I feel like I'm not really enjoying the game is when pots are running and I feel like not being 100% efficient is a waste. It's miserable. CHANGE XP POTS TO A TOTAL AMOUNT GRANTED. For ex: sovereign heroic pot - an extra 1.5 million at a rate of +50%xp per quest (for example). Instead of time based.


Well, that got ranty.

[CSQ]

Epic lives don't take too long if you know what you're doing. I wouldn't do a bunch of consecutive epic lives because of disadvantages like first completes and monster manual- first time completes on epic can make for a really fast epic life. However, I don't think you need to TR too often.

I think the two largest advantages are no/less need to buy hearts (since you should, if you're careful, be able to farm them by the time you're 30 or only have to spend a little bit farming for hearts) and slower RXP farming, but if you're prioritizing TR/ETRs over RXP then I think there's no need to stay at cap. Besides, it doesn't sound like you're planning to stay at cap anyway.

At the moment, there are 36 epic past lives (three of each choice in each sphere), soon to be 48, for maximum passive benefits/flexibility for toggles. Ignoring iconic lives (which do give heroic past lives, so it's perhaps a little off the mark), 14 classes (so 42 TRs, soon to be 45 by the end of the year when the new class drops), and 12 races (for 36 past lives, not counting iconic lives which are different). If you haven't done any racial past lives, doing one TR for a racial life and one ETR for an epic life will give you full feats in 36 runs, which syncs up nicely. Of course, if you have some already, those beautiful numbers don't sync up, but whatever. Once U43 hits, you will need another 12 lives, so that's rough but not too big a deal. That leaves you with 42 class lives, which you can earn one of for each iconic life, meaning you can get 18 heroic lives off of iconics, which leaves 24 normal TRs to get triple completionist. This is a total of 36 lives from level 1 to 30, 18 lives from level 15 to 30, 24 lives from 1 to 20, and soon 12 more 20-30 lives for epic completionist to get every possible bonus in DDO.

Or, to be sane and not obsessed with numbers, yeah, first completes probably make this the fastest per time compared to sitting and farming ETRs and then going and running racial/heroic lives.

[CSQ]

The only time I feel like I'm not really enjoying the game is when pots are running and I feel like not being 100% efficient is a waste. It's miserable. CHANGE XP POTS TO A TOTAL AMOUNT GRANTED. For ex: sovereign heroic pot - an extra 1.5 million at a rate of +50%xp per quest (for example). Instead of time based.

I would love this. Might be weird though when taking into account Otto's boxes, etc.

[scut207]

1-30 has the advantage of not having to farm tokens if you work in the right quests. I did most of my racial 1to20 since I had already done all epics. Dont forget iconics for heroic lives. I'd use my 1 and up runs primarily racial.

My buddy has all racial and heroic but needs epic. We're experimenting with epic methods. Looking at 3 epics per tr to be most efficient. So an iconic and 2 epics or 1to20 with 3 epics. This is based on saving sagas prepping wilderness and exping in legendary stuff asap. RL around 26 and sharn at 28. There is plenty for multiple ER per tr. If you need the tr though, you could easily just do 1to30 and get it all.

When just starting I feel knocking out 3 ETRs per htr/rtr to get one toggle per sphere maxed.

3x Brace using a pally FvS or Lock.
3x CotQ with a barb druid or repeater or shiradi spammer
3x spell critical with a sorc, lock or wiz.
3x Skills with a melee style.

alternatively you can do 2:1 which is probably a little more bang for your buck regarding first time bonuses and slayers and you can vary your play style a bit more.

After that I will work on Melee haste and Ranged haste. 1:1 and then everything else as it comes.

[Lonnbeimnech]

RE: first time bonuses. If you are running a few epic lives back to back, you can first get the first time bonus for reaper, next life get the first time bonus for elite, next life get first time bonus for hard/norm.

Doing multiple epics lives in a row, has other advantages, for example run from 20-30 doing sagas but dont pick up the saga rewards, etr back to 20 and then collect the rewards, should skip you ahead to 23 or so.

You could also run slayers and leave them all at 7499 kills, then get one kill after etr and get that chunk of 300k in each place
so if you prep for it, the second life is 3/4 over within 30 minutes

[Nickodeamous]

It took me about 10 days for my racial life and about 5 for my epic life. The first time bonuses and running everything on minimum R1 up until I hit 30, then min R4, was really great XP and RXP. I have the 20 epic past lives already, so toggles are there (except I picked the wrong toggle for primal sphere!).

My goal is not so much heroic past lives, but more racials and epics first, then maybe iconics. I tend to play the same class for all lives, as I have allof the gear and dont want to waste time farming for other classes. so, in other words, I'm the guy that has alts that carry my mains inventory! :)

This is all good info. One thing I guess I should bring up is, where are my guildies? If I wanna run with them, are they in epics or heroics? This makes the game more fun as well!

[HungarianRhapsody]

How many racial lives are you actually going to do? If you're going to do all the races times 3, then you'll run out of Epic lives before you run out of Racials even if you are just doing 1 Epic per Heroic life.

Go ahead and EpicR followed immediately by TR (don't forget to log out, reboot, burn a smudge stick, and throw salt over your shoulder in between the two) if you're actually going to do all of the racial lives.

[Nickodeamous]

How many racial lives are you actually going to do? If you're going to do all the races times 3, then you'll run out of Epic lives before you run out of Racials even if you are just doing 1 Epic per Heroic life.

Go ahead and EpicR followed immediately by TR (don't forget to log out, reboot, burn a smudge stick, and throw salt over your shoulder in between the two) if you're actually going to do all of the racial lives.

Well, the plan is to do at least the ones that benefit my toon immediately. I need Wis/Dex/Con (in that order). So that would be 18 (I have 3 already, so 15 left). I have 20 epic past lives, so currently 16 left. This would cover it, and I wouldnt run out. after the epic destiny pass, I'll have another 12 epic lives to be able to do, but I may just at that point be focuses on reaper XP. I have 34 points now and if I average 1.5 per life, I should be mid 50's by the end of round one above. It also depends on new quests that come out, and new gear for farming. so much time, so little to do...wait, strike that, reverse...

[Frezar14]

Hi guys!


Slower RXP due to not staying at cap and running daily RXP quests




What are the daily RXP quests?

[mr420247]

Anything you can run decently fast

Harbors mem, grim, sub, mom, lost at sea, good intentions

Ravenlofts, probably sharns don't got those yet, house js i think

Then if you got a good team curse the sky, amraths

[Strambotica]

For racial usually go 1-30, stay at level 30 for a couple of days to run the mid/high reapers to get those pretty first time bonuses and then ETR – TR.

And don’t think that is slower the RXP, since you will be getting the first time bonuses every life, and I think that is faster than staying at cap and repeat all those quest for RXP.

Also depends in which difficulty you’re leveling, if you’re soloing or have a group, which experience potion you’re using if you’re using one, etc.

[Stoner81]

I usually do the following:


1-30.
ETR back to 20.
Go to 30 again.
ETR a second time.
Heroic TR or run to 30 to do Iconic TR depending on what I am doing.


For quite some time I ignored Epic Past Lives but they do make a big big difference in heroics.

Stoner81.

[erethizon]

I go level 1 to 30 and then back to 1 every time. It results in two past lives and 750 to 1250 DDO store points (depending on how much favor you get). I make a point of getting 5000 favor each life as part of the journey but you can optionally skip that part. I enjoy going level 1 to 30 far more than going 1 to 20 several times followed by 20 to 30 several times (especially since ETR doesn't reset anything and thus makes doing more than 2 in a row extremely tedious).