What Does It Want From the Resource Folder

[Emptea1]

Hello to all,

Wait to connect, initializing, then a folder named Resources pops up. Can anyone tell me what the correct answer is? Perhaps if I answer it right I can access the game after four days. Is this just a MAC issue?

Thanks,
Wayne

[Kaytis]

Hello to all,

Wait to connect, initializing, then a folder named Resources pops up. Can anyone tell me what the correct answer is? Perhaps if I answer it right I can access the game after four days. Is this just a MAC issue?

Thanks,
Wayne

Hello Wayne. The DDO game is really two applications. There is the Launcher, which coordinates updates, collects your username, password and desired server, and negotiates with the login servers, and then there is the Client which is launched by the Launcher with all the accumulated parameters to get you into the actual game.

In macOS 10.14.4, the Launcher is broken. It can do everything it is supposed to do, but when it is ready to run the Client, it is unable to find it. That is what that dialog is that is coming up. It is asking you to locate the Client. The correct path to the client is either /Applications/DNDLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/dndclient.app or /Applications/DNDLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/dndclient.app/Contents/MacOS/dndclient. I am not sure which it really wants, but it doesn't matter because the Launcher doesn't add the required parameters and it fails.

You can still launch and play the game using the launcher script available here: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/456140-Launcher-Script-For-Mac-OS-X. But if you are not comfortable fiddling with files and using the Terminal, this won't be a good solution for you.

Don't download and install the game any more times. It won't help. The Launcher needs to be fixed by SSG.

[Emptea1]

Greetings,

Thanks for a reasonable explanation. It is a bummer though. I'll wait.

Thanks,
Wayne


Hello Wayne. The DDO game is really two applications. There is the Launcher, which coordinates updates, collects your username, password and desired server, and negotiates with the login servers, and then there is the Client which is launched by the Launcher with all the accumulated parameters to get you into the actual game.

In macOS 10.14.4, the Launcher is broken. It can do everything it is supposed to do, but when it is ready to run the Client, it is unable to find it. That is what that dialog is that is coming up. It is asking you to locate the Client. The correct path to the client is either /Applications/DNDLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/dndclient.app or /Applications/DNDLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/dndclient.app/Contents/MacOS/dndclient. I am not sure which it really wants, but it doesn't matter because the Launcher doesn't add the required parameters and it fails.

You can still launch and play the game using the launcher script available here: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/456140-Launcher-Script-For-Mac-OS-X. But if you are not comfortable fiddling with files and using the Terminal, this won't be a good solution for you.

Don't download and install the game any more times. It won't help. The Launcher needs to be fixed by SSG.

[Cordovan]

We are not quite ready to provide more information, but we are working on getting a Wine-based version of the DDO client out to you as soon as we can. This will be similar to the one released a few weeks ago for The Lord of the Rings Online, and essentially means a one-time redownload and re-installation of the game client. The Wine client will eventually replace the existing MacOS client, and can replace the client for anyone who chooses to check it out after downloading it. For those of you running into Mojave issues, this - should - work for you. The formal rollout of the updated client on places like the Download page will come later, but we can offer it up hopefully soon in a slightly less formal way to help those currently impacted by Mojave 10.14.4.

[Lord-Vega]

... but we are working on getting a Wine-based version of the DDO client out to you as soon as we can. ...

Wine version? Would this run on Linux in Wine or is it specifically tied to the Mac? (I know next to nothing about Macs)

Cheers,
LV

[Emptea1]

Hello again,

I notice in your posting that you say " - should - " work. This really doesn't fill me with hope. Would have preferred the word "- will -" make it work.

How much longer will we have to wait?

Thanks,
Wayne


We are not quite ready to provide more information, but we are working on getting a Wine-based version of the DDO client out to you as soon as we can. This will be similar to the one released a few weeks ago for The Lord of the Rings Online, and essentially means a one-time redownload and re-installation of the game client. The Wine client will eventually replace the existing MacOS client, and can replace the client for anyone who chooses to check it out after downloading it. For those of you running into Mojave issues, this - should - work for you. The formal rollout of the updated client on places like the Download page will come later, but we can offer it up hopefully soon in a slightly less formal way to help those currently impacted by Mojave 10.14.4.

[droid327]

Hello again,

I notice in your posting that you say " - should - " work. This really doesn't fill me with hope. Would have preferred the word "- will -" make it work.



If anyone ever promises that a big and complicated piece of new coding WILL work, its almost a guarantee that they dont know what they're talking about, and it wont :D

The surer they are, the more worried you should be.

[Cordovan]

Wine version? Would this run on Linux in Wine or is it specifically tied to the Mac? (I know next to nothing about Macs)

Cheers,
LV

Similar to the LOTRO Wine client we recently introduced, this is specifically tailored to MacOS. Just to be clear, under normal circumstances we might wait just a bit longer before sending out a link to this Wine client for DDO, but since there is a specific issue for folks on Mojave 10.14.4, and this could well resolve that issue, we want to offer it to people who might not want to wait.

[Cordovan]

Ok, the Beta Wine client can be downloaded here: http://download.ddo.akamai.turbine.com/ddo/posix/ddolive-wine.dmg

Couple of known issues:

- Screenshots are not working correctly.
- The launcher is unable to correctly open logs.
- Keyboard input is respected as a Windows key input rather than Mac.
- The app bundle is not yet correctly signed, so launching it will require extra action (right click then open).

[Emptea1]

Greetings,

That seems a wise way of viewing the situation.

I bow,
Wayne



If anyone ever promises that a big and complicated piece of new coding WILL work, its almost a guarantee that they dont know what they're talking about, and it wont :D

The surer they are, the more worried you should be.

[Lord-Vega]

Similar to the LOTRO Wine client we recently introduced, this is specifically tailored to MacOS. ...
Well, phooey. I guess I keep my Windows box for a while longer.

Thanks!
LV

[Emptea1]

Hello,

Okay I downloaded it. First, it isn't working. Two, it left a lot of stuff on my screen that I don't recognize. I've got black screens with exe that are labeled Dungeons & Dragons Desktop, a file labeled Dungeons & Dragons Online.lnk, three identical wine-preloaders, and a ddo logo that doesn't make the game start.

That was fun,
Wayne



Ok, the Beta Wine client can be downloaded here: http://download.ddo.akamai.turbine.com/ddo/posix/ddolive-wine.dmg

Couple of known issues:

- Screenshots are not working correctly.
- The launcher is unable to correctly open logs.
- Keyboard input is respected as a Windows key input rather than Mac.
- The app bundle is not yet correctly signed, so launching it will require extra action (right click then open).

[DeamonMaster]

[QUOTE=Cordovan;6210319]Ok, the Beta Wine client can be downloaded here: http://download.ddo.akamai.turbine.com/ddo/posix/ddolive-wine.dmg

Thank you, thank you, a million times thank you!

I installed this tonight and it worked right off the bat! I had to make a tweak in the wine config to not use all my monitors when running but that was it! I can finally play DDO again on my Mac without having to boot into Windows first!!

I will be eagerly watching for the final release of this!

[Emptea1]

Hello to all,

Happy for all those able to finally play again. I see that the program is working after the user tweaks the program in some way. I am just a user who would like a game that I can load and play. When will that happen?

Thanks,
Wayne




Hello,

Okay I downloaded it. First, it isn't working. Two, it left a lot of stuff on my screen that I don't recognize. I've got black screens with exe that are labeled Dungeons & Dragons Desktop, a file labeled Dungeons & Dragons Online.lnk, three identical wine-preloaders, and a ddo logo that doesn't make the game start.

That was fun,
Wayne

[Emptea1]

Hello again,

Day Six and a beta wine client download is available. Tried it. Didn't work. Back to waiting.

Thanks,
Wayne



Hello again,

I notice in your posting that you say " - should - " work. This really doesn't fill me with hope. Would have preferred the word "- will -" make it work.

How much longer will we have to wait?

Thanks,
Wayne

[Emptea1]

Hello,

I am not certain about something. Does the wine client download work in conjunction with usual ddo download for MAC or does it have all the game files?

Thanks,
Wayne


Ok, the Beta Wine client can be downloaded here: http://download.ddo.akamai.turbine.com/ddo/posix/ddolive-wine.dmg

Couple of known issues:

- Screenshots are not working correctly.
- The launcher is unable to correctly open logs.
- Keyboard input is respected as a Windows key input rather than Mac.
- The app bundle is not yet correctly signed, so launching it will require extra action (right click then open).

[Cydrith]

Ok, the Beta Wine client can be downloaded here: http://download.ddo.akamai.turbine.com/ddo/posix/ddolive-wine.dmg

Couple of known issues:

- Screenshots are not working correctly.
- The launcher is unable to correctly open logs.
- Keyboard input is respected as a Windows key input rather than Mac.
- The app bundle is not yet correctly signed, so launching it will require extra action (right click then open).

For anyone having trouble with this client, try installing with these steps in mind:


Once the dmg file is open, drag DDO into your applications folder
After the copy finishes, close the dmg
Navigate to applications, and right click DDO, and open it (be sure you are opening the new DDO)


This should clear up issues people are seeing with it not working. It cannot be run from within the DMG.
Additionally, there is a point where the installer hangs up momentarily. It will come back from that given a bit of time.
Any unwanted links/shortcuts placed on the desktop or dock bar can safely be removed.

If these steps don't seem to help you get up and running, please report back. We'll take a look into any issues we have sufficient information on. Let us know what went wrong, as well as the steps taken to get to that point.

[Mindos]

For anyone having trouble with this client

Thank you, helpful first post!

[PpalP]

Ok, the Beta Wine client can be downloaded here: http://download.ddo.akamai.turbine.com/ddo/posix/ddolive-wine.dmg

Couple of known issues:

- Screenshots are not working correctly.
- The launcher is unable to correctly open logs.
- Keyboard input is respected as a Windows key input rather than Mac.
- The app bundle is not yet correctly signed, so launching it will require extra action (right click then open).

Thank you very much for doing this!

After several years playing on Mac finally, I can play changing the gamma level to do darker dungeons!!!! Also not to restart the game every two dungeons improved my game experience! Thank you very much!!! : )

[Emptea1]

Hello,

Thanks for the suggestions. Just tried for the second time to get this to load. Right now it shows 785M DDO in the Applications File. A double click gets a jiggling DDO icon and nothing else. It just stops moving. Nothing happens.

Thanks,
Wayne





For anyone having trouble with this client, try installing with these steps in mind:


Once the dmg file is open, drag DDO into your applications folder
After the copy finishes, close the dmg
Navigate to applications, and right click DDO, and open it (be sure you are opening the new DDO)


This should clear up issues people are seeing with it not working. It cannot be run from within the DMG.
Additionally, there is a point where the installer hangs up momentarily. It will come back from that given a bit of time.
Any unwanted links/shortcuts placed on the desktop or dock bar can safely be removed.

If these steps don't seem to help you get up and running, please report back. We'll take a look into any issues we have sufficient information on. Let us know what went wrong, as well as the steps taken to get to that point.

[Cydrith]

Hello,

Thanks for the suggestions. Just tried for the second time to get this to load. Right now it shows 785M DDO in the Applications File. A double click gets a jiggling DDO icon and nothing else. It just stops moving. Nothing happens.

Thanks,
Wayne

Thanks for following up.

This sounds like the application is having a hard time downloading/writing the installer to disk. You can verify this with us by providing the contents of your log file.

To check this, navigate into the Applications directory. Right click DDO, "Show Package Contents".
Once that opens, expand the "Contents" and "Resources" directories.
In the "Resources" directory you should see the following:

A file called script.log
A file called "ddolive.exe"
A directory called "wineprefix"


Based on which of these are missing (if any), and what the "script.log" file says, we can troubleshoot what went wrong.

[Emptea1]

Hello,

When the DDO logo is in applications I click on it. I've had to set my MAC to accept apps that aren't verified. It verifies, it asks, I say Open. Lots of jiggling icon later it shuts itself off. And, there is a new logo that appeared titled Wine63 preloader.

Hope all this info helps.

Thanks,
Wayne




For anyone having trouble with this client, try installing with these steps in mind:


Once the dmg file is open, drag DDO into your applications folder
After the copy finishes, close the dmg
Navigate to applications, and right click DDO, and open it (be sure you are opening the new DDO)


This should clear up issues people are seeing with it not working. It cannot be run from within the DMG.
Additionally, there is a point where the installer hangs up momentarily. It will come back from that given a bit of time.
Any unwanted links/shortcuts placed on the desktop or dock bar can safely be removed.

If these steps don't seem to help you get up and running, please report back. We'll take a look into any issues we have sufficient information on. Let us know what went wrong, as well as the steps taken to get to that point.

[Emptea1]

Hello Cydrith

Sorry I missed this post earlier and thank you for the response. I am looking at the application now. In the Resources file I find all the contents you listed. I have the script.log open in TextEdit right now.

I'll check back for further instruction.

Thanks again,
Wayne



Thanks for following up.

This sounds like the application is having a hard time downloading/writing the installer to disk. You can verify this with us by providing the contents of your log file.

To check this, navigate into the Applications directory. Right click DDO, "Show Package Contents".
Once that opens, expand the "Contents" and "Resources" directories.
In the "Resources" directory you should see the following:

A file called script.log
A file called "ddolive.exe"
A directory called "wineprefix"


Based on which of these are missing (if any), and what the "script.log" file says, we can troubleshoot what went wrong.

[Cydrith]

Hello Cydrith

Sorry I missed this post earlier and thank you for the response. I am looking at the application now. In the Resources file I find all the contents you listed. I have the script.log open in TextEdit right now.

I'll check back for further instruction.

Thanks again,
Wayne

Sounds like the application bundle got into a read-only state. This is an issue that happens from time to time, and we have yet to track down the cause.
The solution is to delete the "wineprefix" directory, and then run it again. That should clear things up.

If that doesn't work, try re-downloading the .dmg, and replacing the application entirely.

Given that neither of those things fix this issue, I will probably need to see the contents of the "script.log" file to investigate further.

[Kaytis]

For anyone having trouble with this client, try installing with these steps in mind:


Once the dmg file is open, drag DDO into your applications folder
After the copy finishes, close the dmg
Navigate to applications, and right click DDO, and open it (be sure you are opening the new DDO)


This should clear up issues people are seeing with it not working. It cannot be run from within the DMG.
Additionally, there is a point where the installer hangs up momentarily. It will come back from that given a bit of time.
Any unwanted links/shortcuts placed on the desktop or dock bar can safely be removed.

If these steps don't seem to help you get up and running, please report back. We'll take a look into any issues we have sufficient information on. Let us know what went wrong, as well as the steps taken to get to that point.

Cydrith, are you responsible for this?

Thank you so much. This is the best thing to happen to the Mac DDO client in literally ever. I just played Mad Tea Party using this new version. Let me tell you all the things I can do now that I never could before:

I can set the screen size
I can use antialiasing
I can set the gamma (omg omg omg I can see again!)
I don't have to use n+n+n damage formatting anymore.
I can use the wheel button to rotate the camera (omg omg omg I can see ME again!)
I assume I can see my HP when they are negative (I'm going to grant you that one, I didn't actually go negative).
I assume the graphic options actually do something (also granting you that one, I didnt have time to play with them all).

The squirrelly bits:

What you said:
The option and command keys are a bit backward.
I tried taking a picture but it didn't work I suppose. I don't know where it would have gone if it did.
The app isn't signed.

What I found:
Command-H doesn't hide the client but command tab works.
The whole download and install part is pretty rough. I didn't have to install WINE since I already had it, but I know that was pretty rough around the edges when I tried this with Lotro. Any extra polish there will help people a lot.
The Launcher text is just abysmal. I suspect it is on Windows as well. Might I suggest you upgrade the fonts used in there to something larger, not monospaced and antialiased? It looks like something from the late 80s.
At first the game seemed a tad jerky, but the fps never dropped below 70 and questing through Mad Tea Party on R2 went very smoothly overall.

This is really good work. Thank you!

[Emptea1]

Hello,

Well, strangest thing. Went to cook salmon, came back to computer and now it is installing again. Keeping finger crossed.

This is after I deleted the file from Resources.

I'll let you all know what happens.

Thanks,
Wayne


For anyone having trouble with this client, try installing with these steps in mind:


Once the dmg file is open, drag DDO into your applications folder
After the copy finishes, close the dmg
Navigate to applications, and right click DDO, and open it (be sure you are opening the new DDO)


This should clear up issues people are seeing with it not working. It cannot be run from within the DMG.
Additionally, there is a point where the installer hangs up momentarily. It will come back from that given a bit of time.
Any unwanted links/shortcuts placed on the desktop or dock bar can safely be removed.

If these steps don't seem to help you get up and running, please report back. We'll take a look into any issues we have sufficient information on. Let us know what went wrong, as well as the steps taken to get to that point.

[Emptea1]

It is the process of downloading when a dialog box RunTime popped up. It wanted OK to exit or CANCEL to run some sort of fixit program, I think. In the process of typing this the download screen and the dialog box are gone.

Now on my desktop I've got A Dungeons & Dragons desktop logo with EXE, A read-me type file Dungeons&DragonsOnline.lnk, and in the dock, along with the DDO icon are two black boxes with EXE, both labeled wine-preloader.

Thanks,
Wayne



Sounds like the application bundle got into a read-only state. This is an issue that happens from time to time, and we have yet to track down the cause.
The solution is to delete the "wineprefix" directory, and then run it again. That should clear things up.

If that doesn't work, try re-downloading the .dmg, and replacing the application entirely.

Given that neither of those things fix this issue, I will probably need to see the contents of the "script.log" file to investigate further.

[Emptea1]

Hello to all,

Okay, I've loaded it, trashed it, loaded it, or at least tried to load it, tried four times, got help from community members (thank you), still doesn't work and can't play. Trying to "fix" this through the instruction of others hasn't worked. I have no desire or skill to be a programmer.

There is no doubt that the staff is working to correct the problem.

Day Seven and how many more to go?

Thanks,
Wayne


Ok, the Beta Wine client can be downloaded here: http://download.ddo.akamai.turbine.com/ddo/posix/ddolive-wine.dmg

Couple of known issues:

- Screenshots are not working correctly.
- The launcher is unable to correctly open logs.
- Keyboard input is respected as a Windows key input rather than Mac.
- The app bundle is not yet correctly signed, so launching it will require extra action (right click then open).

[Tricosene]

This is good timing, considering that I just needed to upgrade my iMac.

I downloaded the new Wine version, clicked on "yes" and "accept" for about thirty or forty dialogue boxes and terms / conditions, and after close to an hour of downloading stuff that it thought I needed, it runs fine for me.

And, echoing Kaytis, it's amazing that so many things work that never did before!

What are these strange numbers that pop up when I damage someone? :P
And these new graphics options... I don't know what to do!

Thank you!

[LawLessk]

Ok, the Beta Wine client can be downloaded here: http://download.ddo.akamai.turbine.com/ddo/posix/ddolive-wine.dmg

Couple of known issues:

- Screenshots are not working correctly.
- The launcher is unable to correctly open logs.
- Keyboard input is respected as a Windows key input rather than Mac.
- The app bundle is not yet correctly signed, so launching it will require extra action (right click then open).

Can i delete the original full game download? Or does this Wine stack on top of the original launcher. Because there are now a bunch of DDO files on my computer. What can i delete good sir?

[Cordovan]

Can i delete the original full game download? Or does this Wine stack on top of the original launcher. Because there are now a bunch of DDO files on my computer. What can i delete good sir?

Yes, you can uninstall/delete the older game download for MacOS after you have installed the Wine client (or before, really.)

[Shadow_Flayer]

I was able to get the link to install and download the entire client. I can click the new DDO.app and get the launcher to come up, enter an account, and get the server selection screen to come up. After picking a server and clicking 'Play' the launcher closes and nothing happens. The DDO process (in Activity Monitor) goes away any nothing ever starts.

script.log shows the following (clear each time I attempt to log in and click 'Play' for a server):

No version info could be found
[SSG] >> osx_module => executing module
[SSG] >> osx_module => module required, processing...
[SSG] >> osx_module => processing module dependencies...
[SSG] >> osx_application_module => executing module
[SSG] >> osx_application_module => module not required, skipping
[SSG] >> osx_wine_module => executing module
[SSG] >> osx_wine_module => module required, processing...
[SSG] >> osx_wine_module => processing module dependencies...
[SSG] >> osx_wine_module => executing `process`
[SSG] >> osx_wine_module => module passed
[SSG] >> game_module => executing module
[SSG] >> game_module => module required, processing...
[SSG] >> game_module => processing module dependencies...
[SSG] >> locate_game_module => executing module
[SSG] >> locate_game_module => module required, processing...
[SSG] >> locate_game_module => processing module dependencies...
[SSG] >> locate_game_module => executing `process`
[SSG] >> locate_game_module => module passed
[SSG] >> game_module => executing `process`
[SSG] >> launching game...
[SSG] >> run_prep_module => executing module
[SSG] >> run_prep_module => module not required, skipping
[SSG] >> game_module => module passed
[SSG] >> osx_module => executing `process`
[SSG] >> osx_module => module passed


When the DDO.app starts I also see a 'tccd' process start. That process does not die with the launcher, and in fact continue to run until killed manually.

[Vandikar]

I mean its cool that we're figuring out workarounds. But It would seem to me that Turbine, standing stones, whomever is running things over at DDO should work this out themselves.

Am i crazy?

[Shadow_Flayer]

Here are the contents of the dndclient.log when attempting to start the Wine client. This is crashing on my iMac Retina 5k (10.14.5). The client does start on my MacBook Pro (circa 2013, 10.14.5), though the graphics are awful compared to the native Mac client (or native Windows client). I've tried several different screen resolutions on the iMac with no difference.



000000000.000: Initializing client - build version is [2600.0048.2788.4185.RELEASE]
000000000.000: Initializing the global event handler...
000000000.000: Creating trigger schedulers...
000000000.000: Initializing the network...
000000000.000: Initializing the cache...
000000000.000: CLCache::Init: called.
000000000.000: LookForFile trying cwd
000000000.000: Is_File_Here found 'client_general.dat' in 'C:/Program Files (x86)/StandingStoneGames/Dungeons & Dragons Online'
000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_general.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:3,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_highres.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:3,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_gamelogic.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:3,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_anim.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:3,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_mesh.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:3,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_sound.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:3,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_surface.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:3,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_cell_1.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:0,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_map_1.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:0,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_cell_2.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:0,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_map_2.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:0,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000:


DiskCon::InitFile:
datfile "client_local_English.dat" stamped with datpack versions eng:112, game:3,
executable supporting datpack versions eng:-1, game: -1.


000000000.000: Initializing display with title 'Dungeons and Dragons Online'...
000000000.000: Device_WIN32::Init: called.
000000000.000: Device_WIN32::InitDEVICE| Detected operating system: Windows 7
000000000.000: Failed to start rendering system.
000000000.000: Device_WIN32::Cleanup: called.

[Daarsurra]

like many of you, after the last update my client crashed on load, differently for me, over a more prolonged period than it often has on weekends during high traffic. so i found the link to the Beta Wine client and installed it. while i had to tweak all the graphics settings to make things look right like just days ago with the native client, everything seemed to work smoothly.

i made the mistake of uninstalling the old client before checking the key mapping in the Wine client; turns out that not only did the new client not preserve the ddo.keymap file, it refused to recognize any button input from my mouse. furious, i repeatedly tried fresh reinstalls of the native client starting on Tuesday afternoon to find at first that the client would just crash right out of the gate, and then finally would get to the point of downloading the .dat files and either crash, reset to the beginning of .dat file download, or throw error codes.

finally tonight, the native client completed downloading only to present me with the resource folder when choosing play; since i'd located what might be my old ddo.keymap file, i decided to see if i could try the Wine client again and figure out to where to overwrite the keymap file to...upon opening the app in my applications folder, i was presented with an error stating that the app is broken and should be deleted.

i tried several reboots and clean installs but the same error. normally i'd screenshot and post them, but i'm weary from investigating the long-standing Mac client issue with the 'unrendered walls of color and need to logout/in problem' that appears to have had complaints going back 5+ years.

when SSG responds to my support requests, it's typically to inform me that SSG doesn't support the Mac client. so not only have i been sucked into the cycle of investment in the game, but i'm told to go to the forums for support. and it doesn't make it better that it would seem SSG chooses not to append their download site with any sort of notice that Mac users spending money on the game will be provided no support and rather to just collect the profits without making the situation clear right off.

regardless, i'm happy to provide SSG with any data they ask for.

so what now?

[Arkat]

so what now?

Buy a Windows PC.

[Daarsurra]

Buy a Windows PC.

gotta say i'm a little hesitant to spend the money for an additional computer to play a 13yo game with questionable support, but i appreciate the snarky and predictable advice.

[jwelch]

For anyone having trouble with this client, try installing with these steps in mind:


Once the dmg file is open, drag DDO into your applications folder
After the copy finishes, close the dmg
Navigate to applications, and right click DDO, and open it (be sure you are opening the new DDO)


This should clear up issues people are seeing with it not working. It cannot be run from within the DMG.
Additionally, there is a point where the installer hangs up momentarily. It will come back from that given a bit of time.
Any unwanted links/shortcuts placed on the desktop or dock bar can safely be removed.

If these steps don't seem to help you get up and running, please report back. We'll take a look into any issues we have sufficient information on. Let us know what went wrong, as well as the steps taken to get to that point.

Is the WINE client going to be 64-bit? because if it isn't, it's going to be VMware or Boot Camp to play DDO on a Mac after about september.

[jwelch]

gotta say i'm a little hesitant to spend the money for an additional computer to play a 13yo game with questionable support, but i appreciate the snarky and predictable advice.

Is it though? I mean, and I say this as someone who has played the Mac client since the days of bent trees, this isn't even a good WINE experience. Running DDO in WINE is not new. People have been doing it on Linux for a *while* now.

As well, based on a cursory search, WINE running 32-bit apps in a 64-bit only environment like the next rev of macOS is not even in beta yet. Note that Apple knifing 32-bit is not new. It is at least two years old. The current OS actively warns you about this. It's the kind of things that users expect Devs to pay attention to. Rather a few of us on the Mac client have been trying to get Turbine, now SSG to deal with this before it's an actual problem. And given what I'm seeing here and on the LOTRO forums, I'm not seeing this as saving SSG any actual work, other than shoving most of it from the dev staff to the support staff. This has been a known thing for two years now, and the solution is a (very very wonky) WINE implementation? Y'all cannot convince me (because I kind of actually know such things) that by the end of it, WINE is going to save you any time or money.

You'd have been more honest to just say "here's a link to how to do Boot Camp and on fast hardware, it'll probably run okay in a VM." That would still suck, but it would be honest and actually save you time, and more importantly, let your customers actually just play the game, not become IT admins just to start a game.

[Pocha]

Am I the only one that cannot connect now even with the wine client?
When entering my password is giving me this error now:
"Failed to read authentication response [err: unexpected end of file][line: 1][col: 1]"

And about a real solution from SSG.... you can start forgetting about it.... after several tickets, they told me this:
Today at 11:21
Hello xxxx,

Thanks for getting back to us. I apologise but at this moment we do not offer technical support for Mac. I recommend navigating to https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/265-Mac-Technical-Assistance and collaborate with other players to explore other possible solutions.

If you have any other questions or require any further assistance, please let me know.

Kind regards,
Customer Support
Standing Stone Games


I dont think they should advertise as available for MAC if they dont provide technical support when every new update prevents us from playing....

[Redfletch]

Same problem yet both files and the directory are missing:

NO Script.log;
NO ddolive.exe,
NO wineprefix directory




Thanks for following up.

This sounds like the application is having a hard time downloading/writing the installer to disk. You can verify this with us by providing the contents of your log file.

To check this, navigate into the Applications directory. Right click DDO, "Show Package Contents".
Once that opens, expand the "Contents" and "Resources" directories.
In the "Resources" directory you should see the following:

A file called script.log
A file called "ddolive.exe"
A directory called "wineprefix"


Based on which of these are missing (if any), and what the "script.log" file says, we can troubleshoot what went wrong.

[IronGiantSam]

The Launcher needs to be fixed by SSG.

The problem is that, "Unfortunately, we do not offer technical support for DDO on MAC"
-Swarley (Standing Stone Games Help)
Not very impressive

[jwelch]

If you want this to play right, there's probably two short-term solutions:

1) Set up boot camp on your mac, reboot and play the windows client in windows. Max speed, compatibility, you'll have fewer problems and SSG support will probably actually talk to you. UPdating to macOS 10.15 won't cause you problems.

2) Run it in a VM, i.e. vmware or parallels. This may not work due to VM overhead, but you're still running it in "real" windows, not the "sort of windows" WINE uses. And again, you have some hope of actually getting support from SSG. VMware and Parallels both work in the next release of macOS, which is 64-bit only.

3) I'd say the WINE version, given how badly this transition has been handled, won't work consistently right for at least a month, and god only knows if they're using a 64-bit version of WINE. If they aren't, then you can't upgrade your mac because 10.15 is 64-bit only, 32-bit apps won't work, and you'll be unable to use the WINE version. Good luck in SSG fixing that inside of a year if ever. You'd be better off learning out to package it in WINE on your own and not waiting for SSG.

SSG is a windows-only company. That's their choice. But I wish they'd stop half-arsing this issue. Just say "we only support windows. Period." stop the WINE dance, because that is clearly not being done well, and given their apathy towards mac players for some years now, expecting them to get a 64-bit version out once 10.15 drops is unrealistic.

[Cydrith]

We've released a new variant of the Wine client. The update is posted here (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/508581-MacOS-New-Client-Available-and-FAQ).

This is not the same wine client as was previously being distributed in beta form. Many of the problems with the beta client have been addressed.
Please let us know of any further issues.

[Myranna]

If I download the Wine client will it be a separate setup that won't interfere with my Steam client setup? I don't want to test it if it's going to mess up my working version :) I'm pretty good at troubleshooting, but don't want to waste time reinstalling if my Steam setup is going to get tromped on.

I know that previously, I was able to run DDO directly and it was a separate setup than the Steam setup, but I want to confirm this.

[Daarsurra]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/507605-Update-on-Wine-client-from-Cordovan?p=6260315&viewfull=1#post6260315