POLL: Next Racial Variant

[MacRighteous]

A recent interview I read or watched with the Devs kinda indicated that SSG are on the fence about the next Racial variant - Sev indicated that they were looking very closely at a Drow variant but they keep going back and forth over other options>

Personally - I would rather see almost anything but another Elf or Human variant, so maybe it is time for the forum community to help them decide.

For simplicity - I'm listing only the four main F2P races + Drow and "other" as the poll options - please vote for your preference and why you think we need this variant and if Human or Elf please indicate why you think we need ANOTHER variant of these races and if its "other please indicate in the comments what you prefer.

Also Multiple choices are allowed - so if you choose more than one please indicate 1st choice, 2nd choice etc

Thanks

I'm going with a new Dwarf Variant because Dwarfs are BAMF'ers and need moar luv n stuff

[GramercyRiff]

What I want the most is for PDK to look good.

I say Dwarf too.

[Cantor]

What I want the most is for PDK to look good.

I say Dwarf too.

No dwarf variant I want an iconic battlerager.

[MacRighteous]

No dwarf variant I want an iconic battlerager.

I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive - I too want an Iconic Dwarf - but this poll is about racial variants not Iconics

[leesun]

I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive - I too want an Iconic Dwarf - but this poll is about racial variants not Iconics

make PDK beautiful instead of bleached orcs, mountain dwarf or duergar racial variant, kuldjargh battlerager barbarian iconic with focus on dwarven war axe, as kuldjargh is dwarvish for axe idiot.

[GramercyRiff]

No dwarf variant I want an iconic battlerager.

Yeah that too. We have an iconic elf and a racial variant elf. We can have a racial variant dwarf as well as an iconic dwarf.

[salmag]

I voted Halfling, but after thinking about it a little more clearly, I would like to see the halfling-warforged hybrid (basically, small robot); otherwise known as a WF Scout.

[QuantumFX]

Half-Elf: Because Half elves look terrible.

[Arianrhod]

Shifter (Eberron race) - because the shifter bonuses would work really well with DDO's enhancement system, and besides SSG could make some extra cash selling cosmetic appearances to match the Shifters' affinities :D


Alternatively, Kalashtar, but only with a psionics/Sarlona/Riedra/Inspired expansion or update

[Tyrande]

I voted halfling because they are putting an Isle of Dread (expansion?) anyways and it has the Talenta halflings riding dinosaurs there. I suspect they will put together such a variant.

[GramercyRiff]

Shifter (Eberron race) - because the shifter bonuses would work really well with DDO's enhancement system, and besides SSG could make some extra cash selling cosmetic appearances to match the Shifters' affinities :D

Shifters and Kalashtar should be their own distinctive race. But I agree, Shifters need to be in a game that has Eberron as its main world.

[vms4ever]

Kobold. Always kobold.

[Arianrhod]

Shifters and Kalashtar should be their own distinctive race. But I agree, Shifters need to be in a game that has Eberron as its main world.

Perhaps I misread what the poll was asking, thought actual races were an acceptable choice. OTOH, both could conceivably be considered racial variants, as they involve standard player races interbreeding with lycanthropes or being "enhanced" by Quori

[janave]

Half-Elf: Because Half elves look terrible.

The Plastic Surgeon universal enhancement tree will help with that.

Other than that Glam Elf would be a good one next up, Wood Elf was soo close but not glam enough.

[axel15810]

As I always say, I want dwarf. But halfling with Isle of Dread coming could make a lot of sense. But I think it will be one of those two for sure.

[GramercyRiff]

Perhaps I misread what the poll was asking, thought actual races were an acceptable choice. OTOH, both could conceivably be considered racial variants, as they involve standard player races interbreeding with lycanthropes or being "enhanced" by Quori

I disagree that they're racial variants of humans (half-elves are their own race after all), but if racial variant is the way we get Kalashtar and Shifters, I won't be complaining that much since we'll have two important Eberron races finally. Also agreed Kalashtar need to come with Psionics, and Psionics seems like a lot of work.

Bottom line, I really want Shifters in this game.

[Xgemina]

Voted Dwarf, but would go for anything. Just don't see a need/want for a 5th elf.

[Memnir]

Voted Dwarf, because they have yet to be represented by anything Iconic or variant.
My second choice would be Halfling, due to the same lack of variety. Half-Orc could at least get full Orc at some point, too.

Elves already have High, Wood, Drow, Half Elf and Sun. We really don't need more Elves right now. Humans have lots of options with Shadar-kai, PDK, also Half Elf, Aasimar+Scourge & Tiefling+Scoundrel. We don't need more of them either. WF have Bladeforged, and Gnomes have Deep Gnome - so there is at least Iconic variables for them.

Kind of like when the Devs drove Kobolds into the ground, and it was reflected in the vote that brought us Dragonborn instead of playable Kobolds... I feel like we are approaching Elf & Human Fatigue. Better options should be found for the next Racial Variant, imho. Circle back to the Drow Mark II in a while... but for now, please do better.

[Pnumbra]

Half-Elf: Because Half elves look terrible.

Half Elves look terrible and their racial tree is dismal. They are built like cubby humans; not lean and agile with features of an elf.

[The_Human_Cypher]

I voted halfling because they are putting an Isle of Dread (expansion?) anyways and it has the Talenta halflings riding dinosaurs there. I suspect they will put together such a variant.

I voted for a Talenta halfling variant for the same reason as well. The focus should be on Sharn and Khorvaire for the next year or so.

[Aelonwy]

Kind of like when the Devs drove Kobolds into the ground, and it was reflected in the vote that brought us Dragonborn instead of playable Kobolds... .

I also voted dwarf. I want a duergar barbarian battlerager iconic.

Is it wrong that now that goblins are coming with Sharn... I wish they would revisit a handful of kobold quests and replace them with goblins just for variety? Off the top of my head... Irestone Inlet, Ruined Halls, Guard Duty, and Sunken Sewer could have the few kobolds in them replaced with Goblins; with the exception of Skartongue in Irestone I don't think there are any other uniquely named kobolds in those quests.

[NemesisAlien]

Orc shamans!

Orc casters!

[Dreppo]

We need Duergar. Duergar go all the way back to 1E. Having Duergar would complete the Drow (dark elf), Svirfneblin (deep gnome), Duergar (grey dwarf) trio of Underdark races. We already have the first two in DDO, now we need the third. But the first two are implemented as full races, not racial variants. So Duergar should also be a full race. Because this poll is about racial variants, I voted halfling rather than dwarf.

[MacRighteous]

I believe that only the iconic Gnome is a Deep Gnome (Svirfneblin).

[Dreppo]

I believe that only the iconic Gnome is a Deep Gnome (Svirfneblin).

Correct, Deep Gnome is the iconic. Rock Gnome is the non-iconic.

[Captain_Wizbang]

I also voted dwarf. I want a duergar barbarian battlerager iconic.

Even though I started a thread for Kalashtar, I voted Dwarf.

I don't like the 5e Duergar though. The original 3e MM II version and the FR types are more akin to what I'd prefer here. (of course alignment traits in DDO don't matter so much) so any version would work.

[Memnir]

I also voted dwarf. I want a duergar barbarian battlerager iconic.

Is it wrong that now that goblins are coming with Sharn... I wish they would revisit a handful of kobold quests and replace them with goblins just for variety?Not wrong at all. I really wish they would, too.

IMHO, not having Goblins in DDO has been a glaring oversight since the game launched in 2006. There is likely some "under the hood" issues with swapping Goblins in, however. I mean, I've always applied my personal head-cannon to it (a Goblin-specific phage, released by the Daelkyr for reasons unfathomable, wiped em all out on Xen'Drik and Kobolds become prolific in their absence), but I would love it for my head-cannon to be retconned.

[MacRighteous]

I would love it for my head-cannon to be retconned.

Sig quote worthy

[Memnir]

Sig quote worthyThank you, sir. :)


https://i.imgur.com/2Mjt1Bu.gif

[Arkat]

https://i.imgur.com/CDD8CiH.jpg


:drops mic:




: picks up mic:


P.S. Duergar are NOT Battleragers.


:drops mic again:

[Memnir]

https://i.imgur.com/00rl5vG.gif


...[I]it's so pretty.

[Arkat]

https://i.imgur.com/00rl5vG.gif


...it's so pretty.

Yes

[cdbd3rd]

I voted Halfling, but after thinking about it a little more clearly, I would like to see the halfling-warforged hybrid (basically, small robot); otherwise known as a WF Scout.

There IS a precedent....


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2489/3844943037_1e1ba980a8_b.jpg

[NemesisAlien]

There IS a precedent....


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2489/3844943037_1e1ba980a8_b.jpg

Actually I been waiting for arty, monk and druid iconics, guess need to wait at least another 3 more years :p

[lyrecono]

For the drow variant, they will most likely have dretched up the iconic 2wf ranger they were working on years ago.

Although i love melee and would have liked to see either a dwarf variant or iconic dwarven battle rager with it's own undead racial variant ( like the thunderholme one), the way the devs treat melee, i rather not see them botch up another aspect of the game.

[Aelonwy]

https://i.imgur.com/CDD8CiH.jpg


Is that... Thibbledorf Pwent?

[NemesisAlien]

Is that... Thibbledorf Pwent?

Naaaaa..... He looks too clever... Besides, he is a vampire lord nowadays...

[Satyriasys]

Battlerager should be an iconic Dwarf Barbarian.
The next racial variant should be Drow with hopefully int so I can play a decent wizard without being 2 feet tall.

[Arkat]

Is that... Thibbledorf Pwent?

It is!



Battlerager should be an iconic Dwarf Barbarian.

Absolutely!

[Aelonwy]

Duergar, Dwarf, *shrugs* biggest difference to me is Duergar have a natural resistance to magic, Invisibility SLA, and Enlarge Person/Self SLA. The resistance to magic will most probably be a negligible never used SR bonus or more preferred small MRR bonus. But mostly I've wanted Enlarge Self since the first time I ran Ataraxia's Haven.

It is perhaps important to note most of my PnP DMs do not run campaigns where every member of a race/species is automatically a particular alignment so my experiences include taverns with Minotuar bouncers, half-ogre & girallon boxing champions, all tiefling cirque du soliel type circus, quickling mail carriers, Magic Goods store ran by a svirfneblin with a mimic familiar. In that respect, despite not having any experience with Eberron I was somewhat prepared for the atmosphere.

[Cantor]

Actually I been waiting for arty, monk and druid iconics, guess need to wait at least another 3 more years :p

pay classes. The free classes get iconics.

[salmag]

There IS a precedent....


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2489/3844943037_1e1ba980a8_b.jpg

+1

I need to spread some love around.

"biddi-biddi-biddi-biddi... What's up Buck?..."

[Memnir]

+1

I need to spread some love around.

"biddi-biddi-biddi-biddi... What's up Buck?..."Gotcha covered. :)

Always give Twiki love.

[MacRighteous]

There IS a precedent....


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2489/3844943037_1e1ba980a8_b.jpg


OMG!!! It's R2-D2!!!! Loved him in BSG - Especially when he says "Kill All Humans" and "Bite my shiny metal A**, meatbags" - it's a shame he couldn't save that Robinson kid.

[NemesisAlien]

pay classes. The free classes get iconics.

Yes I know, after the FTP classes, which is why I stated 3 more years minimum...

[Sir_Noob]

We still need Kobolds!

However as I have read elsewhere in this thread this is about variants, thus I would have to go with either dwarves or halflings.

[PsychoBlonde]

I don't have a strong preference, but we're up to our ears in elves already. There are THREE types of humans (Regular, PDK, and arguably Shadar-kai). There are FIVE types of elves (Khorvaire, Sun Elf, Half-elf, Drow, Wood Elf). There are TWO gnomes, TWO tieflings, TWO aasimar, TWO warforged . . .

There is ONE dwarf, ONE halfling, ONE dragonborn, and ONE Orc. So, DO ONE OF THOSE, PLEASE.

The only exception would be if they were to do a warforged variant that was more "feminine" (I don't mean has boobs, I mean a lighter build that doesn't look like a gigantic male bodybuilder, that's all.) Warforged Scout or whatever.

Or if they did Kalashtar as a human variant.

[SerPounce]

Dwarf or halfling. I just want to see more of them around. Dragonborn and aasimar are cool and all, but I’d like the classic d&d races getting represented.

[The_Human_Cypher]

I don't have a strong preference, but we're up to our ears in elves already. There are THREE types of humans (Regular, PDK, and arguably Shadar-kai). There are FIVE types of elves (Khorvaire, Sun Elf, Half-elf, Drow, Wood Elf). There are TWO gnomes, TWO tieflings, TWO aasimar, TWO warforged . . .

There is ONE dwarf, ONE halfling, ONE dragonborn, and ONE Orc. So, DO ONE OF THOSE, PLEASE.

Good point. DDO has only one type of dwarf and one type of halfling, so the next racial variant should be a dwarf or a halfling. Preferably a Talenta Halfling now that DDO has dinosaurs.

[MacRighteous]

After hearing Cordo respond to a question about racial variants on DDO livestream this morning, i'm convinced that we are going to get a Drow variant whether we want it or not.

But he did mention Halfling, PDK and Half-elf... He didn't even mention Dwarf as a possibility at this time.

He didn't seem to think that the numbers behind this poll was extensive enough to be convincing as a representation of what the players really want.

I'm cool with Halfling - However Isle of Dread may not come out this year and I was under the impression from the Producers letter that we would get a new variant and a new class THIS year - so either they will come out separate from IoD or we don't get a new variant this year? Or maybe IoD is closer than indicated - there is a raptor in Sharn - looks like just about the right size for a halfling mount... or perhaps its all a red herring?

Sure, Drow 2.0 could be cool and PDK and Half-elf prolly needs a facelift - but - the re-work in my opinion should be on their time/dime - I already paid for those broken races and I'm not going to be happy if I have to buy them again (as he said their philosophy now tends towards creating new variants instead of re-working existing races - or something like that.) and as many have said - we have a saturation of Elfs already so circle back on Drow after they fill in a few races that are under-represented.

[cdbd3rd]

OMG!!! It's R2-D2!!!! Loved him in BSG - Especially when he says "Kill All Humans" and "Bite my shiny metal A**, meatbags" - it's a shame he couldn't save that Robinson kid.

Star Wars, Battle Star Galactica, doubling down with Futurama, and adding a touch of Lost In Space just for flavoring.... Mac, your sniper skills with a shotgun are legendary! :D

[MacRighteous]

Star Wars, Battle Star Galactica, doubling down with Futurama, and adding a touch of Lost In Space just for flavoring.... Mac, your sniper skills with a shotgun are legendary! :D

I tried to work in Star Trek - but there wasn't enough Data to pull it off

[lyrecono]

I don't have a strong preference, but we're up to our ears in elves already. There are THREE types of humans (Regular, PDK, and arguably Shadar-kai). There are FIVE types of elves (Khorvaire, Sun Elf, Half-elf, Drow, Wood Elf). There are TWO gnomes, TWO tieflings, TWO aasimar, TWO warforged . . .

There is ONE dwarf, ONE halfling, ONE dragonborn, and ONE Orc. So, DO ONE OF THOSE, PLEASE.

The only exception would be if they were to do a warforged variant that was more "feminine" (I don't mean has boobs, I mean a lighter build that doesn't look like a gigantic male bodybuilder, that's all.) Warforged Scout or whatever.

Or if they did Kalashtar as a human variant.

Half orc or half human? XD
Anyway, the savage races are severely under represented, some half ogre and half giants with reach weapons to offset the imballance in higher reaper quest so melees can farm reaper as easily as other playstyles without the frustration of having to be a close combat 1 hit wonder or waiting for the cc nanny and a healer.

http://i.imgur.com/Om1qbR0.png
A half gaint lookingba bit too much like an half orc but shows its scale realy well.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/e/ef/Half-ogre3e.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160415202923
And a half ogre for scale

[Ausdoerrt]

I voted Drow, although I don't really want the FR Drow the devs are thinking about, rather for existing Eberron drow to be reworked to make them more versatile and remove the build point penalty.

If that takes a paid racial variant, so be it. But don't make it FR Drow, they're too corny. At least go for Sulatar drow or something.

[leesun]

Voted Dwarf, because they have yet to be represented by anything Iconic or variant.
My second choice would be Halfling, due to the same lack of variety. Half-Orc could at least get full Orc at some point, too.


how about a compromise? half orc, and half dwarf. It would be a medium sized race, and the name of the update that released them could be "UPDATE xx: Attack of the Giant Dwarf!"

[zep909j]

Kobold come?

[Aelonwy]

Kobold come?

I wouldn't mind if they someday made kobolds a playable race. I know my kids would love them. The problem for kobold is what class would it excel at? Can't be as good for sorc as Dragonborn, not intelligent enough or strong enough, maybe a dex-based class? I suppose we could get some kind of Paragon Kobold, although technically that would be the Iconic of the kobold race wouldn't it? Hmmm. Well if they ever came out with the Shaman class... sort of a hybrid druid/fvs as I understand it then a Paragon Kobold Shaman would be fitting.

https://ddowiki.com/page/Paragon_Kobold_Shaman

[NemesisAlien]

how about a compromise? half orc, and half dwarf. It would be a medium sized race, and the name of the update that released them could be "UPDATE xx: Attack of the Giant Dwarf!"

Always wondered what would be the result of an orc and a dwarf mating :p

[leesun]

dwarf - duergar - would be released with psionics and have enlarge person (self) sla, rune themed abilities.
halfling - talenta plain nomad - slightly faster, tattoo option, would be able to summon small raptor that would level with druid/ranger level.
dragonborn - ?
Half-orc - ? not sure about this one. full fledged orcs aren't really a racial variant, and could be their own separate thing. One could have a gatekeeper or shadow marsh shaman, but those aren't really racial variants so much as occupational callings.
gnome - whisper gnome - +2 dex +2 con, -2 cha -2 str, bonuses to stealth skills and produce an "aura of silence", as well as have slightly faster movement speed than regular gnome.
warforged - psiforged - would be released with psionics and duergar. would have psionic crystals throughout their bodies. would have psionic abilities in tree.

with psionics, duergar, and psiforged there would also be a universal psionic tree. the universal tree, psiforged tree, and duergar tree would not share any powers, that is to say that a power in one tree would not be found in the other.

[Ausdoerrt]

I wouldn't mind if they someday made kobolds a playable race. I know my kids would love them. The problem for kobold is what class would it excel at? Can't be as good for sorc as Dragonborn, not intelligent enough or strong enough, maybe a dex-based class?

I know, make em playable, but give them -2 to all stats except DEX. :D


dragonborn - ?
Half-orc - ? not sure about this one. full fledged orcs aren't really a racial variant, and could be their own separate thing. One could have a gatekeeper or shadow marsh shaman, but those aren't really racial variants so much as occupational callings.

For HOrc they could go with something like Droaam HOrc as a variant. Or more realistically, they'll probably just go with FR HOrcs and call it a day (especially considering we're getting a new starting area in FR).

For dragonborn, since they were released not so long ago, I'm not sure we'll be getting a variant anytime soon. But, they could always expand the potential ancestry to other dragon and pseudodragon types.

Finally, anything you mentioned with "psionics" in it is probably not happening anytime soon.

[leesun]

I know, make em playable, but give them -2 to all stats except DEX. :D



For HOrc they could go with something like Droaam HOrc as a variant. Or more realistically, they'll probably just go with FR HOrcs and call it a day (especially considering we're getting a new starting area in FR).

For dragonborn, since they were released not so long ago, I'm not sure we'll be getting a variant anytime soon. But, they could always expand the potential ancestry to other dragon and pseudodragon types.

Finally, anything you mentioned with "psionics" in it is probably not happening anytime soon.

I know in the past it has been said that psionics were not going to be a thing, or that if it will it is not in the foreseeable future, but duergar are popular for the dwarf request, and they are psionic in both eberron and fr. psiforged because warforgerd need love too, and the bladeforged paladin was, then turbine's, attempt at the juggernaut

[LightBear]

Other: Variant between Halfling and Dragonborn..... let's call em Kobolds! ;)

[Ausdoerrt]

I know in the past it has been said that psionics were not going to be a thing, or that if it will it is not in the foreseeable future, but duergar are popular for the dwarf request, and they are psionic in both eberron and fr.

Deep and mountan dwarves are also a thing *shrug*.