Evard's black tentacles poll

[Arch-Necromancer]

In Neverwinter Nights, Evard's black tentacles is a Wizard/Sorcerer spell.

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Evard%27s_black_tentacles

In DDO it is a warlock only spell that makes the class OP.

At the same time that spell could help wizards and sorcerers to be more competitive in game.

Devs do not like the idea of adding the spell to wizard and sorcerer spell book.

But it would be nice to hear what players think of this.

Since warlock is OP and needs a nerf, and should not even have damaging spells in its spellbook, I also added the option to remove the spell from warlock.

[AbyssalMage]

In Neverwinter Nights, Evard's black tentacles is a Wizard/Sorcerer spell.

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Evard%27s_black_tentacles

In DDO it is a warlock only spell that makes the class OP.

At the same time that spell could help wizards and sorcerers to be more competitive in game.

Devs do not like the idea of adding the spell to wizard and sorcerer spell book.

But it would be nice to hear what players think of this.

Since warlock is OP and needs a nerf, and should not even have damaging spells in its spellbook, I also added the option to remove the spell from warlock.
The only thing Over Performing (or Over Powered) is your bias. Wizards and Sorcerers are definitely Under Performing on DPS though but a single spell isn't the solution. Heck, I don't even think the developers understand the problem with their current suggestions to "fix" the problem.

[CaptainPurge]

https://i.imgur.com/lxUmoyb.jpg

[Morroiel]

The only thing Over Performing (or Over Powered) is your bias. Wizards and Sorcerers are definitely Under Performing on DPS though but a single spell isn't the solution. Heck, I don't even think the developers understand the problem with their current suggestions to "fix" the problem.

This isn't even true. Wizards and Sorcs out damage warlock in heroics, and in epics sorc so out damages warlock in a dps race its not even funny. The only thing warlock has going for it dps wise at cap is the no mana part in high skull. After the new spells get added, its going to be laughable how much they will outclass warlocks in heroics.

[FlavoredSoul]

Anyone who thinks Warlocks are anything resembling 'OP' shouldn't be listened to for balance.

Being slightly more powerful than the other Arcane casters isn't OP when all arcane casters are garbage. Being slightly above garbage isn't "OP".

The only viable role for casters in endgame content is mass hold bot.


Hell Sorcs actually zerg heroics even faster than locks so they aren't even the best class for that job.

[droid327]

Locks are only OP in the context of blitzing heroic quests. Maybe epic lives running EN. They're a one trick pony.

EBT is great because it's an area CC with a favorable save that also does some damage (not a huge amount). But arcanes now aren't lacking for either good CCs or good damage. It'd be redundant. If you're going to give arcanes one trick from the lock book, it should be temp hp, that's what locks really abuse.

Plus it's a Conjuration spell. Only Earth casters are going to pump that school, so EBT wouldn't even be that useful for most wiz and sorcs. They already have Web, which is pretty comparable to EBT but isn't widely used

[GramercyRiff]

Warlocks weren't even OP before they got nerfed.

I want Evard's to rightfully be on the Wiz/Sorc list though.

[slarden]

Since warlock is OP and needs a nerf...

lol wut

There are alot of great spells warlock doesn't get at all or only gets with a specific pact or capstone.

- Energy Drain
- Meteor Swarm and the other new level 9 spells
- Otto's Irresistable Dance
- Power Word Kill
- Greater Shout
- Polar Ray
- Otto's Sphere of Dancing
- Soundburst
- Protection from Evil
- Reconstruct
- Disintegrate
- Break Enchantment
- Cyclonic Blast

The list goes on. Sure Warlock has some things other classes don't have as well, but it's not like Warlock has everything Wizard/sorc has and more as it portrayed on the forums sometimes.

The only real difference between Web and tentacles is that it goes right to a strength check rather than a reflex check first. And of course the damage, but its not like the damage part is game-breaking. It also goes against fort save which is some of the higher saves in the game. Bypassing a reflex save is nice, but hardly op. The damage is less than a single meteor swarm coming with the new arcane pass.


This isn't even true. Wizards and Sorcs out damage warlock in heroics, and in epics sorc so out damages warlock in a dps race its not even funny. The only thing warlock has going for it dps wise at cap is the no mana part in high skull. After the new spells get added, its going to be laughable how much they will outclass warlocks in heroics.

Every class will have it's place, but sorc and wizard become way more compelling with the changes. I will play them all, but I expect to see a big jump in wizards/sorcs, but I still think martial builds will be better overall.

[Memnir]

While I'd love to have EBT on Wiz/Sorc casters - I also get why the Devs made it Warlock exclusive and am okay with it.

It's fine as it is.

[AlcoArgo]

In Neverwinter Nights, Evard's black tentacles is a Wizard/Sorcerer spell.


This may come as a surprise to you but you aren't playing Neverwinter Nights.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

No.

Sorcs are already the most powerful casters in game. Giving them access to CC like that would be dumb.

[masterofthewand]

Wizards should have access to all arcane spells, period. In D&D they can research and create their own spells. There is no reason they shouldn't have access to it, even at a higher level. I'm not as concerned with sorcerers getting it, but "technically" they should be able to...

[StahrChylde]

I think this is a very bad idea, I play several different classes, but I am mostly a caster, let the caster classes be separate. If you want Evard's, play a Lock, it's that simple. Wizards have an entire spellbook to cast from, I don't think the lack of Evard's makes any difference, there is plenty left to choose from. Sorcs don't need it either, sure they have less spells than a Wizard, but who cares, the damage of a Sorc makes up for it. Locks have a couple of special things about them, can't that be cool and just left alone? Let the classes be different, let them have their own thing or there is no reason to have them at all, just make a generic caster class and call it a day, is that what you want? Because I can tell you, that's not what casters want.
And by the way, I want to play DDO, not Neverwinter Nights, that's why I'm here.

[SiliconScout]

OH MY GOD

leave the Warlocks alone. They are NOT OP because of Evard's. what little OP they get is from easy survivability (easy access to HP and no mana needed) and that is pretty much it. I can out CC or out DPS one on ANY other caster.

If you think Evard's makes them OP and mostly play casters then I have to say in my opinion you are playing casters wrong.