Criticism For This Filigree Set Concept?

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

So here's the concept, I want to flesh this out so that I may see what it would look like if SSG created it.... so I am going to need help, so far here is the concept of it!



Divine Warrior


When 2 pieces are equipped: +5 to melee power
When 3 pieces are equipped: You bypass the requirements for Paladin centric hidden effects on equipment despite your alignment and class
When 4 pieces are equipped: This weapon counts as if your deity's favored weapon for feats and enhancement benefits that specifically mention "Favored weapon"
Individual Filigree

Strength +1 -~- Rare Version: & +2 PRR
Charisma +1 -~- Rare Version: & +2 PRR
Wisdom +1 -~- Rare Version: & +2 PRR
PRR +3 -~- Rare Version: & +2 MRR
Positive healing Spell Power +9 -~- Rare Version: & +4 Universal Spell Power
Melee Power +3-~- Rare Version: & +2 Melee power
Negative Energy Absorption +5% -~- Rare Version: & +2 MRR

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[mr420247]

None of the elemental spell sets work with spell attacks and none at all scale with melee ranged or spell power

LGS is still situationlly better until that is fixed

[Symbiont]

When 4 pieces are equipped: This weapon counts as if your deity's favored weapon for feats and enhancement benefits that specifically mention "Favored weapon"
Everyone would slot this on their khopeshes and greataxes for +2 Threat Range from Silvanus.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Everyone would slot this on their khopeshes and greataxes for +2 Threat Range from Silvanus.

Yeah.... I keep running into mentions of Silvanus deity feats.... sounds like it needs rebalanced.

[glmfw1]

When 4 pieces are equipped: This weapon counts as if your deity's favored weapon for feats and enhancement benefits that specifically mention "Favored weapon"


With the Tiefling, there was the logic that, being sneaky, they have managed to "cheat the system" providing the justification for a non-favoured weapon being allowed as a favoured weapon.
For a generic filigree set, why would a God decide to favour a random weapon unrelated to them? The favoured weapons are literally the ones they like most, so they grant their followers bonuses based on the follower opting to use it.



When 3 pieces are equipped: You bypass the requirements for Paladin centric hidden effects on equipment despite your alignment and class

Better wording would be:
When 3 pieces are equipped: You count as a Paladin of your Character level for item usage requirements
If one item with hidden effects thinks you are a Paladin they all should.
This ability also suffers from the problem that the 4 pieces one does - why would a deity who grants paladins extra powers from weapons want to grant them to non LG, non paladins?

With the name of the set as "Divine Warrior", the implication is that the character is acting in the service of the deity, but the nature of the powers suggest it's someone who is less strict about their faith or wants extra powers they haven't earned/don't deserve. "Co-option of the Divine" or something along those lines might work to explain the powers (it's after midnight here, brain is starting to switch off, so I would recommend the "something along those lines option", rather than my actual suggestion, which is more to give you an idea of where my mind is going)

[SpartanKiller13]

Yeah.... I keep running into mentions of Silvanus deity feats.... sounds like it needs rebalanced.

Silvanus, Pulverizer, and Tremor (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Tremor,_the_Breaker_of_Bones) make Mauls a viable option. Without it they're flavor only, basically slightly better Greatclubs. Silvanus also pigeonholes you quite a bit (requiring a FR non-Morninglord Iconic) so mostly you end up with PDK multiclasses.

It's not that Silvanus is broken, it's that if you could apply it to a non-Maul it would be. +2 stacking threat range is a hilarious DPS boost to any build.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Silvanus, Pulverizer, and [url=http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Tremor,_the_Breaker_of_Bones[Tremor] make Mauls a viable option. Without it they're flavor only, basically slightly better Greatclubs. Silvanus also pigeonholes you quite a bit (requiring a FR non-Morninglord Iconic) so mostly you end up with PDK multiclasses.

It's not that Silvanus is broken, it's that if you could apply it to a non-Maul it would be. +2 stacking threat range is a hilarious DPS boost to any build.

How about....

adding ......

"this effect does not work if your deity is Silvanus"?

What then remains?

[Xanthrawl]

How about....

adding ......

"this effect does not work if your deity is Silvanus"?

What then remains?

Your deity would not be fooled by filigree into thinking your weapon were something else... To think only Silvanus would notice that you are not weilding a Maul, but a Khopesh, is laughable and has NO lore whatsoever. It is purely a "I want to be more powerful, but that would be TOO powerful." Which is not only an arbitrary constraint, there is simply no basis for it.

[Xgya]

Your deity would not be fooled by filigree into thinking your weapon were something else... To think only Silvanus would notice that you are not weilding a Maul, but a Khopesh, is laughable and has NO lore whatsoever. It is purely a "I want to be more powerful, but that would be TOO powerful." Which is not only an arbitrary constraint, there is simply no basis for it.

This feels like the Filigree set should be called the Ur Priest's.
It's literally scrounging off a god's power without returning proper worship.
"You count as a Lawful Good Paladin when it comes to using this Holy Avenger" is a very chaotic move, and could do well with a god of Trickery.

Blessing of Sylvanus specifically mentions Mauls, not "Favored Weapons". The set wouldn't affect them. Only the Favored Soul to-hit/damage class features, and the Warpriest/Warsoul favored weapon things would work off it.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

This feels like the Filigree set should be called the Ur Priest's.
It's literally scrounging off a god's power without returning proper worship.
"You count as a Lawful Good Paladin when it comes to using this Holy Avenger" is a very chaotic move, and could do well with a god of Trickery.

Blessing of Sylvanus specifically mentions Mauls, not "Favored Weapons". The set wouldn't affect them. Only the Favored Soul to-hit/damage class features, and the Warpriest/Warsoul favored weapon things would work off it.

Well, I guess the only thematic sense would be for allowing this to work for Vol followers only considering that Vol followers worship the divinity within and thus one could say that your favored weapon might as well be whatever you favor when you are a follower of The Blood Of Vol.

[Hobgoblin]

So here's the concept, I want to flesh this out so that I may see what it would look like if SSG created it.... so I am going to need help, so far here is the concept of it!



Divine Warrior


When 2 pieces are equipped: +5 to melee power
When 3 pieces are equipped: You bypass the requirements for Paladin centric hidden effects on equipment despite your alignment and class
When 4 pieces are equipped: This weapon counts as if your deity's favored weapon for feats and enhancement benefits that specifically mention "Favored weapon"
Individual Filigree

Strength +1 -~- Rare Version: & +2 PRR
Charisma +1 -~- Rare Version: & +2 PRR
Wisdom +1 -~- Rare Version: & +2 PRR
PRR +3 -~- Rare Version: & +2 MRR
Positive healing Spell Power +9 -~- Rare Version: & +4 Universal Spell Power
Melee Power +3-~- Rare Version: & +2 Melee power
Negative Energy Absorption +5% -~- Rare Version: & +2 MRR

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so broken so i would say no

as mentioned later on kops go to the way op and we go back to the good ole days of kopeshes being the only viable option

[Xgya]

Well, I guess the only thematic sense would be for allowing this to work for Vol followers only considering that Vol followers worship the divinity within and thus one could say that your favored weapon might as well be whatever you favor when you are a follower of The Blood Of Vol.

Lady Vol's favored weapon is the dagger just as Sylvanus' is the maul. You can't change that without cheating them out of that power.

It still wouldn't give you vampirism with The Blood Is The Life, because that feat mentions daggers, like Sylvanus does mauls.

I'm okay with a set that gives you the right to use another weapon as a warpriest/warsoul without giving you the full benefits of deity-based feats. Because that's very Ur Priest behaviour in either case. Ur Priests get spellcasting, even stronger spellcasting, because they steal it at the source, but they also pay that price by not having access to domains.

In DDO, someone using it would still get their domain powers, but wouldn't have such a strong connection to their deity, so the deity-based feats would stop working. All the deity-based feats that mention weapons don't note any such thing as a "favored weapon" - they just mention a specific weapon. The set would allow you to play a Warpriest/Warsoul that prays to the Sovereign Host, but wields Khopeshes. You'd lose the benefits of Follower/Child/Beloved of your deity, but would gain the benefit if being able to wield any weapon you wish.

It would allow you to make a shuriken-throwing warpriest, a non-warforged Greatsword warsoul, and would diversify builds without taking away from people that keep the original flavor.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Lady Vol's favored weapon is the dagger just as Sylvanus' is the maul. You can't change that without cheating them out of that power.

It still wouldn't give you vampirism with The Blood Is The Life, because that feat mentions daggers, like Sylvanus does mauls.

I'm okay with a set that gives you the right to use another weapon as a warpriest/warsoul without giving you the full benefits of deity-based feats. Because that's very Ur Priest behaviour in either case. Ur Priests get spellcasting, even stronger spellcasting, because they steal it at the source, but they also pay that price by not having access to domains.

In DDO, someone using it would still get their domain powers, but wouldn't have such a strong connection to their deity, so the deity-based feats would stop working. All the deity-based feats that mention weapons don't note any such thing as a "favored weapon" - they just mention a specific weapon. The set would allow you to play a Warpriest/Warsoul that prays to the Sovereign Host, but wields Khopeshes. You'd lose the benefits of Follower/Child/Beloved of your deity, but would gain the benefit if being able to wield any weapon you wish.

It would allow you to make a shuriken-throwing warpriest, a non-warforged Greatsword warsoul, and would diversify builds without taking away from people that keep the original flavor.

Lady Vol isn't a deity...... The Blood Of Vol religion is basically an Atheism variant infused with some mysticism.

http://eberron.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_of_Vol

[Hobgoblin]

Lady Vol isn't a deity...... The Blood Of Vol religion is basically an Atheism variant infused with some mysticism.

http://eberron.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_of_Vol

this is a good description of most of the ebberon dieties

[Xgya]

this is a good description of most of the ebberon dieties

All my Yes-es.

The most common religion, the Sovereign Host, is actually a group of celestial beings, not a god among them, or even anything close to divine levels of power.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

All my Yes-es.

The most common religion, the Sovereign Host, is actually a group of celestial beings, not a god among them, or even anything close to divine levels of power.

The blood of Vol is different, you worship the divinity within, you don't worship the last member of house Vol........

The Blood Of Vol is the only religion in DDO where you worship something within yourself rather than something outside of yourself.

[droid327]

From the dev discussion on the lam forums, favored weapons are very complicated under the hood and you can't just flag other weapons as favored individually...

Plus I think this is a little over the pay grade for filigree sets - it would completely change the way you build divine melee in epic. It would be instant must have auto slot. And that means any future filigree sets would have to do something even better to make you think about using them, which is where we get such power creep.

Your suggestions are always gear that redefines a builds playstyle. You need to think a little smaller. DDO isn't MMO where you build around specific gear like that.


Everyone would slot this on their khopeshes and greataxes for +2 Threat Range from Silvanus.

Silvanus' special isn't +2 to favored weapon...it's +2 to mauls. So your khopesh would get +2 to maul crit range :)

[balvix]

Only thing I really care about is having them stack up in my bank when there are the same ones, like even stacks of 10 would be great.

[Noir]

Divine Warrior

When 3 pieces are equipped: You bypass the requirements for Paladin centric hidden effects on equipment despite your alignment and class *Snip*


No - You do not get to wield the full potential of "Divinity, the Morninglord's Goal" unless a Paladin. ( Your obvious motivation for this Thread )
The requirements for its potential are very strict. Being Lawfull to unlock part of it's potential
And having paladin levels to unlock its full potential to slay undead and evil opposed to the Paladins deity.
The power does not come from the sword itself. The weapon is a conduit of the deity's power and a "God"
would certainly be aware that they are being "film-flamed" and sever the connection.

[fmalfeas]

It would allow you to make a shuriken-throwing warpriest, a non-warforged Greatsword warsoul, and would diversify builds without taking away from people that keep the original flavor.

Or...they could give us more deity options.

Forgotten Realms provides ones specifically for those two options.

Torm - God of Duty, Loyalty, Protection. Makes more paladins than any three other gods combined. Favored weapon - Greatsword. He's /so/ Lawful Good that there are even Gold Dragons who converted to his worship.

Mystra - Lady of the Weave, Goddess of Magic itself. Favored Weapon - Shuriken. (She's ressurected because she pulled a Bane, but unlike Bane who had to seize his power back, she /came back stronger/ because she was rebuilt out of The Thread of the Weave, and Blue Flame and Spellfire from across the entire realms, merging the knowledge and skills of Midnight/Mystra, the original Mystra, and even Mystryl (who was devoured by a lunatic Netherese Arcanist-King when Elminster was still young, causing the arcanist to literally explode from being unable to contain the power, which wreaked havoc across Toril. The energy formed into the original Mystra with AO's nudging in order to save the world he made.)

[Valerianus]

no.

bybass class requirements via itemization is not acceptable and not even to take into consideration.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

no.

bybass class requirements via itemization is not acceptable and not even to take into consideration.

Yeah, a lot of good points have been brought up already, read through them.

Basically, if anything this is potential tree material or something, still unsure.