Enchantment augment

[Elindel22]

Hi.

Does an enchantment augment that adds DC
stack with enchantment focus items ?

Thanks

[EllisDee37]

Yes, spell school augments were changed to Augment type so they'd stack with regular items. Otherwise, it was pointed out at the time that nobody would ever slot them.

[skorpeon]

Yes, spell school augments were changed to Augment type so they'd stack with regular items. Otherwise, it was pointed out at the time that nobody would ever slot them.

ohh I did not know that!

Hmm I should probably slot them and stop using them as paper weights.

[SpiritofAlba]

That is news to me too, and the wiki just says

Most augment bonuses, unless otherwise specified, are an Enhancement Bonus.

My toon is a DC caster at L13, so will definitely be testing when I get to L16!

[EllisDee37]

My search-fu is strong this morning:


This is the build that will become Update 21.

November 10th, 2013
Augment updates, and new Red augments.


Spell Focus augments have been changed to stack with other Spell Focus equipment.


And from the official Update 21 Release Notes (https://www.ddo.com/en/update-21-release-notes):


Items

The +1 and +2 Spell Focus augments (Topaz of <spell school> and Topaz of Greater <spell school>) stack with Spell Focus bonuses on regular equipment. (They do not stack with each other.)

EDIT: I even managed to find the original post from feather deciding to have them stack:


The augments function the way they always have.
So the issue for you guys isn't the description bug, it's that the augments are now less useful because loot scales up higher as of Shadowfell?

That makes a lot of sense, actually.
Originally, the point of Augments wasn't to put in a lot of new stacking bonuses. Instead, they're there to help you slot the stats you want on a certain item, and reduce the gear juggling.

That's why (with few exceptions), the bonuses from them don't stack with normal equipment.

Now, a change to the augments could happen, but the impact is a little larger than it looks at first glance.


It means that every spellcaster should be slotting DC boosting augments, or they're doing it wrong.
It also means that we need to assume everyone's DC-based spells will start being successful 10% more often.
And it means that we'll need to be more careful with DC increases in the future... if we raised the amount available in treasure and added a new tier of it in augments, that's double the power creep.


That said, I'm okay with it. I'm making the augments stack. They are pretty useless at present.
(This is going into our development build, which will become Update 21).

I only did all that searching because I'm feeling nostalgic for that period in DDO history.

[Grace_ana]

I just tested this. It does stack.

[Elindel22]

My search-fu is strong this morning:




And from the official Update 21 Release Notes (https://www.ddo.com/en/update-21-release-notes):



EDIT: I even managed to find the original post from feather deciding to have them stack:



I only did all that searching because I'm feeling nostalgic for that period in DDO history.

In your post, they talk about topaz of greater <spell school>.

I thought the only topaz of enchantment that existed were the normal kind, the ones that grant 1 DC.

Where do you get those topaz of greater enchantment? Do they grant 2 DC ?

[EllisDee37]

In your post, they talk about topaz of greater <spell school>.

I thought the only topaz of enchantment that existed were the normal kind, the ones that grant 1 DC.

Where do you get those topaz of greater enchantment? Do they grant 2 DC ?From the Gianthold vendors (http://ddowiki.com/page/Augment_Slot/Purchasable_Augments#Agate_Twistiron_.28ML_24.29), and yes, +2 instead of +1.

[Niminae]

I just tested this. It does stack.


Items

The +1 and +2 Spell Focus augments (Topaz of <spell school> and Topaz of Greater <spell school>) stack with Spell Focus bonuses on regular equipment. (They do not stack with each other.)

And the +1 and +2 augments used to stack with each other, but got silently nerfed at some point. Perhaps U21.

[EllisDee37]

And the +1 and +2 augments used to stack with each other, but got silently nerfed at some point. Perhaps U21.The Update 21 release notes explicitly noted that they didn't stack with each other, so if they did prior to that, the change wasn't silent.

The augment pass happened with Shadowfell in Update 17, so they could theoretically have stacked with each other from U17 to U21. (Before U17 there were only Epic Augments (http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Crafting/Augment_Crystal_Table#Yellow_Augment_Crystals), which didn't have greater spell focus, only regular spell focus.) However, they didn't stack with gear until U21, and I don't know if it's technically possible to stack with each other while neither stacked with regular gear.

[slarden]

It's stacked since Feather made the change many years ago. The 1 and 2 used to stack with each other but that was fixed some time ago.

[Niminae]

The Update 21 release notes explicitly noted that they didn't stack with each other, so if they did prior to that, the change wasn't silent.


It's as good as silent to just state the new way things work without making it clear that it is a change. If this was indeed the point at which a change was made then "They do not stack with each other" should have been "They no longer stack with each other." And if as you suggest they made the change prior to U21 and only got around to announcing the new way in the U21 release notes, then the change was still silent.

Release notes are supposed to list changes, but the ones SSG (and Turbine before them) share with their customers are almost always short on a lot of details.