Renegade Mastermaker Tanks

[adrian69]

I keep reading and seeing players writing that some tanks are only taking 4 levels for a certain quest and raid.

Can someone point out to me what's worth it with only 4 arty levels?

[TheBlueFox]

Well 4 levels of Arty are enough to get you tier 4 enhancements, but not tier 5.

It also gets you Core 2, which is immunity to Magic Missile, which is pretty nifty... but not super when things stop using it.

So, Tier 4, lets see what's there.

Kinetic charge probably isn't going to be useful, especially with only 4 arty levels. So that's not it.

Reconstruct as a spell like ability is neat! But I think again this is keyed off of Arty levels, so probably not this... Maybe not, unless I'm totally missing something and it's based off character level for some reason.

Embed Component for +15 MMR and +6 con at the cost of no evasion maybe?

Warding Construct: +3 to saves vs magic and traps? Mmm probably not that.

So it looks like maybe Reconstruct as a spell like ability is something worth having.

[adrian69]

Well 4 levels of Arty are enough to get you tier 4 enhancements, but not tier 5.

It also gets you Core 2, which is immunity to Magic Missile, which is pretty nifty... but not super when things stop using it.

So, Tier 4, lets see what's there.

Kinetic charge probably isn't going to be useful, especially with only 4 arty levels. So that's not it.

Reconstruct as a spell like ability is neat! But I think again this is keyed off of Arty levels, so probably not this... Maybe not, unless I'm totally missing something and it's based off character level for some reason.

Embed Component for +15 MMR and +6 con at the cost of no evasion maybe?

Warding Construct: +3 to saves vs magic and traps? Mmm probably not that.

So it looks like maybe Reconstruct as a spell like ability is something worth having.

4 arty levels though, it couldn't be doing much outside having an extra spell to spam every 6 seconds. I'm wondering if that +6 con stacks with +6 from Stalwart. I've just read a few comments from a few saying this and saw a video of someone using a tank build on Lamm back at first build tanking Baba Reaper 5 or 6 and they had just a couple of levels. I am just not seeing anything that leaps out at me.

Then again, the comment I've read are going on 2-5 weeks old and it could have had something to do with the first build having an ability in the tree that gave 25^arty level (double epics) in temp HPs every 2 seconds for 20 seconds. Wondering 200 HPs every 2 seconds was a big enough deal for some. I may have missed something else in the first build that was worth having.

[droid327]

Reconstruct as a spell like ability is neat! But I think again this is keyed off of Arty levels, so probably not this... Maybe not, unless I'm totally missing something and it's based off character level for some reason.



At L4 that's still 40 base healing + haste as an SLA. That's probably enough for Heroic, after spellpower and Repair Amp. Then I believe it counts your Epic Levels as caster levels too, so by 30 you're getting nearly the full value out of the SLA.

[adrian69]

At L4 that's still 40 base healing + haste as an SLA. That's probably enough for Heroic, after spellpower and Repair Amp. Then I believe it counts your Epic Levels as caster levels too, so by 30 you're getting nearly the full value out of the SLA.

Yeah, just read some dev saying the CAMs didn't have cap on caster level like cures do, so I was wondering if Repair was the same. Which, that's probably what it is.

[Renvar]

The tanks I see are doing 15 Arti/4 Pally/ 1 Wizard. Typically Dwarf or Aasimar race. That is what most R6+ capable raid tanks are doing.

[SerPounce]

Arty 3 gives access to reinforced armor (which I believe stacks with the fighter/pally versions), arty 4 gives a bonus feat and access to embed component (+6 CON, +15 MRR) and a bonus feat.

You'll see combos of Arty + ftr/pally +1 wiz for two reinforced armors and improved mage armor for +100% AC bonus from armor and +10% total AC bonus. Those percentage bonuses can really send your AC into the stratosphere with good gear/EPLs. I haven't done this, but I've been told it all stacks. From there you can go either way focusing on the arty or ftr/pally levels.

Seems to me though if you're going to invest the AP to get to T4 RM that getting stacking 20% HP bonses from T5 RM and SD would be pretty attractive. RM T5 seems to have a lot more value than T5 SD. But I haven't made a proper raid tank in like 6 years so what do I know.