Pure 20 Monk Legendary Dreadnought Melee Power Shuriken Thrower Build

[seskie1]

This build is made to take advantage of the base damage of the new shuriken, combined with high melee power from prowess, and Vistani, to use melee power instead of ranged. It uses LD for the crit range and multiplier, along withblizt. The result is absolutely atrocious DPS, rivaling that of a shintao monk, but at range. The survivability is fairly good, with ~200 PRR, good saves, and shadow veil etc. It has worked out MUCH better than I even predicted.

Pure 20 Monk
Lawful Neutral
Elf

Starting Stats

Str - 11
Dex- 20
Con- 12
Int- 16
Wis- 9
Cha- 8

Skils
Hide
UMD
Balance
Concentration
Heal
Listen
Spot
Search
1 rank Tumble
9 ranks Spellcraft

Feats

Level 1 : Point Blank Shot
Level 1(M):Shuriken Expertise
Level 2(M): Power Attack
Level 3 : Sneak of Shadows
Level 6 : Precise Shot
Level 6(M):10K Stars
Level 9 : Rapid Shot
Level 12 : Improved Critical
Level 15 : Improved Precise Shot
Level 18 : Completionist
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Improved Martial Arts
Level 26 : Epic Skill Focus Hide
Level 27 : Blinding Speed
Level 28 : Doubleshot
Level 29 : Harbringer of Chaos
Level 30 : Combat Archery
Level 30 : Scion of the Ethereal Plane

Enhancements

Elf

Elven Accuracy 3/3
Elven Dex 2/2

Ninja Spy

Basic Ninja Training
Advanced Ninja Training
Shadow Veil
Diversion
Ninja Master
Impending Doom
Stealthy 3/3
Sneak Attack Training 4/4
Acrobatic 3/3
Poison Exploit
Agility 3/3
Poisoned Soul
Sting of the Ninja
Dexterity 2/2
Wave of Despair
No Mercy 3/3
Deadly Striker

Henshin Mystic

Riddle of Fire
Ki Bolt
Sounding Staff
Incinerating Wave
Henshin Staff Training 2/2
Negotiator 3/3
Way of the Patient Tortoise
Contemplation 3/3
Embrace the Void 3/3
Dexterity 2/2
Focus

Vistani Knife Fighter

Knife Expertise
Undead Hunter
Mist Stalker I
Acrobatic 1/3
Weapon Versatility

Harper Agent

Agent of Good
Harper Enchantment
Traveler's Toughness 2/3
Know the Angles 3/3

Epic Destiny

Legendary Dreadnought

Extra Action Boost 3/3
Con 1/1
Improved Power Attack
Power Boost 3/3
Haste Boost 3/3
Critical Damage 3/3
Advancing Blows
Devastating Critical
Pulverizer
Master's Blizt Resistance

Gear

TBH still working it out completely

Damage Screenshot (still missing a lot of gear)

https://imgur.com/a/ktLut

[unbongwah]

Could you post tests with and without Weapon Versatility? I've seen contradictory info about whether or not it works with weapons other than daggers / throwing knives.

Also why do you take Pulverizer? :confused: Does the new shuriken do blunt damage?

[peng]

Why power attack? Does imp power attack from dreadnought work while ranged? And is the +0.5[w] worth a feat and losing the benefits of precision? You'd be better off taking improved martial arts. Better yet, take combat archery at 24, and imp martial arts later.

[Tilomere]

1 Quiver
2 Yes
Ho-ho-ho!

[Kamode_Corebasher]

This build is...
...working it out completely

Damage Screenshot (still missing a lot of gear)

https://imgur.com/a/ktLut



I'm making some assumptions here regarding the numbers showing in your screenshot...would appreciate you stating if I'm correct or incorrect:

I'm assuming these are non-crits, and that you are utilizing precise shot with a 15stack of Archers Focus.?

I guess my question is: what is a normal non-crit line total look like and what does a normal crit line total look like (by line I mean [and using your picture as an example] look at a single line of numbers...lets take your top line showing in your picture: 1337, 1000, 9, 1422, 3, 11, for a total of 3782).

EDIT: disregard the archers focus thought...still thinking old-school :)

[SeveredSteel]

Could you post tests with and without Weapon Versatility? I've seen contradictory info about whether or not it works with weapons other than daggers / throwing knives.

Also why do you take Pulverizer? :confused: Does the new shuriken do blunt damage?

That screenshot is confirmation... If you have ever played a shuri build then you would see getting the numbers in the screenshot isn't something that can be done without massive MP.

[Roland_D'Arabel]

What is the reason behind spending points in the Ninjutsu poison exploits line? Doesn't that only apply when using Touch of Despair, which isn't usable when throwing shurikens?

[seskie1]

What is the reason behind spending points in the Ninjutsu poison exploits line? Doesn't that only apply when using Touch of Despair, which isn't usable when throwing shurikens?

+4 dmg and to hit.

[seskie1]

Why power attack? Does imp power attack from dreadnought work while ranged? And is the +0.5[w] worth a feat and losing the benefits of precision? You'd be better off taking improved martial arts. Better yet, take combat archery at 24, and imp martial arts later.

hmm i do need to take imp martial arts. thanks!

[gwonbush]

That raid shuriken is disgusting against bosses. 1400 damage a hit just from weapon effects on a shuriken is ridiculously strong.

[seskie1]

That raid shuriken is disgusting against bosses. 1400 damage a hit just from weapon effects on a shuriken is ridiculously strong.


The base dmg is rly the king. It's TRIPLE the weapon die of any other shuriken. That's massive.

[gwonbush]

The base dmg is rly the king. It's TRIPLE the weapon die of any other shuriken. That's massive.

Your base [W] is probably somewhere around 10[W] for an additional 30 damage/hit before crits and MP. Assuming 250 MP and a 15-18/x3 19-20/x5 crit range that's a total of around 178 damage a hit on average from the extended die size. This is pretty nice, especially since it works on everything and doesn't need to stack up like glass shards does. But against a boss with several million hp that is peanuts compared to the weapon effect that does 200d10 damage (average of 1100) a hit.

[Krumm]

Could you post tests with and without Weapon Versatility? I've seen contradictory info about whether or not it works with weapons other than daggers / throwing knives.?

seskie1, can you please tests with and without Weapon Versatility?


Seems Weapon Versatility only works with daggers, at least when it first came out.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/491971-Can-Developer-chime-in-quot-Weapon-Versatility-quot-in-Vistani-knife-fighter-enhancement

[seskie1]

Your base [W] is probably somewhere around 10[W] for an additional 30 damage/hit before crits and MP. Assuming 250 MP and a 15-18/x3 19-20/x5 crit range that's a total of around 178 damage a hit on average from the extended die size. This is pretty nice, especially since it works on everything and doesn't need to stack up like glass shards does. But against a boss with several million hp that is peanuts compared to the weapon effect that does 200d10 damage (average of 1100) a hit.

On raid bosses my first number is 1500 plus 1000 SA plus 1500 DOT. Also I have 15.8W in raids. My melee power is also ~350. My front number is in fact the majority of my DPS when you factor in crits... Did you check the screenshot?


seskie1, can you please tests with and without Weapon Versatility?


Seems Weapon Versatility only works with daggers, at least when it first came out.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/491971-Can-Developer-chime-in-quot-Weapon-Versatility-quot-in-Vistani-knife-fighter-enhancement

It works. Prowess increases the number. Stop asking.

[Moonhaven2222]

Just tried prowess out on Morninglords Shuriken and it makes a huge difference.

I'm curious why sting of the ninja. We're not going to do much poison damage even on higher HP mobs. Since it's a weapon stance, I prefer lighting the candle (. One handed weapons and handwraps gain On Hit: 2d2/2d3/2d4 Fire damage and On Critical: 2d6/4d6/6d6 Force damage. This damage scales with Melee Power. ). It's one more point and in a different tree but it's steady damage. On ship dummy, i've seen force hit for 200 and fire hit for 70, not sure how the multiplier got that high, didn't have any vulnerabilities on it. I do realize that ship dummy isn't a real(Virtual) world example but you get the idea :)

But great build, can't wait til I get the runes to buy Spite.

Moonhaven

https://imgur.com/39Eyjrr

[seskie1]

Just tried prowess out on Morninglords Shuriken and it makes a huge difference.

I'm curious why sting of the ninja. We're not going to do much poison damage even on higher HP mobs. Since it's a weapon stance, I prefer lighting the candle (. One handed weapons and handwraps gain On Hit: 2d2/2d3/2d4 Fire damage and On Critical: 2d6/4d6/6d6 Force damage. This damage scales with Melee Power. ). It's one more point and in a different tree but it's steady damage. On ship dummy, i've seen force hit for 200 and fire hit for 70, not sure how the multiplier got that high, didn't have any vulnerabilities on it. I do realize that ship dummy isn't a real(Virtual) world example but you get the idea :)

But great build, can't wait til I get the runes to buy Spite.

Moonhaven

https://imgur.com/39Eyjrr

full stacks I see ~300 a hit from ninja on bosses. i will test lighting the candle again. it is better on trash its also an AP thing. i love all this discussion and feedback!

[Kamode_Corebasher]

Just tried prowess out on Morninglords Shuriken and it makes a huge difference.



^ what are you guys talking about here? Is it the Legendary Ring of Prowess and it's +8 melee power?

[Kamode_Corebasher]

...in raids. My melee power is also ~350. My front... Did you check the screenshot?


Looking deeper at this build in preparation for reincarnating my current thrower into a version of your build. My Melee Power calculations are not adding up and again I'm asking for your help in what I'm not seeing.

Here's my calculations in adding Melee Power:

Epic levels:
30 from three per epic level

Henshin Mystic:
40 from four Cores
5 from tier4 Focus

30 from Melee Power Boost

Legendary Dreadnought:
18 from cores
70 from 10 stack of masters blitz

Item:
8 from Legendary ring of Prowess

Totals:
171 melee power
201 melee power with melee power boost

[Valiance]

Looking deeper at this build in preparation for reincarnating my current thrower into a version of your build. My Melee Power calculations are not adding up and again I'm asking for your help in what I'm not seeing.

Here's my calculations in adding Melee Power:

Epic levels:
30 from three per epic level

Henshin Mystic:
40 from four Cores
5 from tier4 Focus

30 from Melee Power Boost

Legendary Dreadnought:
18 from cores
70 from 10 stack of masters blitz

Item:
8 from Legendary ring of Prowess

Totals:
171 melee power
201 melee power with melee power boost

Sentient items Prowess 5 piece set gives 75 bonus MP for 10 seconds whenever you use an action boost.

[seskie1]

Looking deeper at this build in preparation for reincarnating my current thrower into a version of your build. My Melee Power calculations are not adding up and again I'm asking for your help in what I'm not seeing.

Here's my calculations in adding Melee Power:

Epic levels:
30 from three per epic level

Henshin Mystic:
40 from four Cores
5 from tier4 Focus

30 from Melee Power Boost

Legendary Dreadnought:
18 from cores
70 from 10 stack of masters blitz

Item:
8 from Legendary ring of Prowess

Totals:
171 melee power
201 melee power with melee power boost

100 from prowess. Reaper tree. Not sure tbh. Just know what I have haha. Also 5 from prowess MP augment.

[seskie1]

^ what are you guys talking about here? Is it the Legendary Ring of Prowess and it's +8 melee power?

Sentient prowess filligree 5 set.

[Tilomere]

My Melee Power calculations are not adding up and again I'm asking for your help in what I'm not seeing.



This was for a repeater:



Melee Power (MP) Tracking:
30 MP HeM (Henshin Mystic)
8 MP WF+WS Blunt/Pierce/Slash (Weapon Focus + Specialization)
20 MP BE (Battle Engineer)
70 MP LD Blitz (Legendary Dreadnaut)
18 MP LD Cores
30 MP Epic levels
37 MP Sentient Weapon by boosting (prowess 5 piece set)
6 MP Sent Wep passive
20 MP 3 piece set artifact (Crypt Raiders, lose evasion)
10 MP 5 piece set profane (Mist Stalkers)
0-30 MP Endless Fusillade or Action boost: MP
8 MP prowess ring enhancement
2 MP Harper

293 MP > Ranged Power twisting Pin, Whistler, Stay Frosty, and Cocoon into LD, or 263 with Endless Fusillade running.




This build is +10 HeM, -20 BE, -8 WF+WS -20 crypt raiders -2 harper, or 253 melee power with AB: MP (averaging prowess). +/- a few based on reaper or other misc. rare benefits.

[seskie1]

This was for a repeater:




This build is +10 HeM, -20 BE, -8 WF+WS -20 crypt raiders -2 harper, or 253 melee power with AB: MP (averaging prowess). +/- a few based on reaper or other misc. rare benefits.

I am not 250 mp. I am 343 out of reaper, and 358 in reaper. I can post a screenshot tho if ud like!

[gwonbush]

On raid bosses my first number is 1500 plus 1000 SA plus 1500 DOT. Also I have 15.8W in raids. My melee power is also ~350. My front number is in fact the majority of my DPS when you factor in crits... Did you check the screenshot?

Yes, your front number damage is the main damage. However, not all of that front number damage is from the increased damage die, though I admit to having underestimated your MP and damage dice. There's other things that are added and multiplied such as deadly, past lives, enchantment bonus, your dexterity bonus, etc.

Redoing my calculations with your better numbers, the expanded die size adds on average ~356 damage per hit in non-reaper after factoring in crits, which is at 1/3 of the power of Glass Shards when fully stacked. This is ~150 more front number damage than the Morninglord Shuriken (enough to overwhelm every proc on the Morninglord's) assuming equal filigrees and is not to be underestimated, especially considering that it doesn't require a buildup like glass shards does. This does not change my point that the thing that adds the most damage on Spite is Glass Shards, not the expanded damage die.

[seskie1]

Yes, your front number damage is the main damage. However, not all of that front number damage is from the increased damage die, though I admit to having underestimated your MP and damage dice. There's other things that are added and multiplied such as deadly, past lives, enchantment bonus, your dexterity bonus, etc.

Redoing my calculations with your better numbers, the expanded die size adds on average ~356 damage per hit in non-reaper after factoring in crits, which is at 1/3 of the power of Glass Shards when fully stacked. This is ~150 more front number damage than the Morninglord Shuriken (enough to overwhelm every proc on the Morninglord's) assuming equal filigrees and is not to be underestimated, especially considering that it doesn't require a buildup like glass shards does. This does not change my point that the thing that adds the most damage on Spite is Glass Shards, not the expanded damage die.

unsure what your attempted point is here? also 19-20 is x6. fire stance ftw.

[Hjeal_meh]

More reasons than ever to nerf monks! :)

[seskie1]

More reasons than ever to nerf monks! :)

I have my opinions on how the classes and weapons need balanced. I'd love to discuss this with SSG in an open forum. I think the monk class is almost exactly where it should be. There are some poorly WAI weapon synergies for melee and ranged monks currently. As far as the other melee classes they just need to be retuned IMO. Mainly to take into account the lack of dodge they get, and their reliance on useless self healing. I would also be looking into a way to incorporate some hard CC for each class. Fighter should be better at that than they are. They should be as good as shintao monk at stuns.

[Kamode_Corebasher]

Sentient prowess filligree 5 set.

Thanks Valiance and Seskie1 for pointing me to this

[Hjeal_meh]

I have my opinions on how the classes and weapons need balanced. I'd love to discuss this with SSG in an open forum. I think the monk class is almost exactly where it should be. There are some poorly WAI weapon synergies for melee and ranged monks currently. As far as the other melee classes they just need to be retuned IMO. Mainly to take into account the lack of dodge they get, and their reliance on useless self healing. I would also be looking into a way to incorporate some hard CC for each class. Fighter should be better at that than they are. They should be as good as shintao monk at stuns.

Start a thread on this.

The self-healing nerfs in reaper in particularly hurt other classes more than others. It's okay if rangers/paladins do less damage than fighters/barbs because of the cure spells and LOH. But when this class feature is eliminated through the Reaper debuffs on self healing those classes are being nerfed disproportionately.

Monks just need to be nerfed from orbit :)

[AdAster]

Level 2(M): Power Attack


Why you take Power Attack? It does not work with ranged weapon, same goes for Imp PA from LD.

[seskie1]

Why you take Power Attack? It does not work with ranged weapon, same goes for Imp PA from LD.

I took it for .5W from LD.

[adrian69]

Delete before SSG nerf hammers another fun build :)

[chappyglass]

Have you worked out your gear layout yet? Curious to see it:)

[Kodwraith]

Is there a way to adapt this build to take both whirlwind/ DireCharge AND shuriken line? You'd be a holy terror in ranged AND melee. I suspect the enhancements would be the bigger issue maybe?

Or are throwers that OP that even with 10k stars on cooldown, you can mow through enemies like a hot knife through butter.

[arpendragon]

Have you worked out your gear layout yet? Curious to see it:)

Not only you :)

[barecm]

This build is made to take advantage of the base damage of the new shuriken, combined with high melee power from prowess, and Vistani, to use melee power instead of ranged. It uses LD for the crit range and multiplier, along withblizt. The result is absolutely atrocious DPS, rivaling that of a shintao monk, but at range. The survivability is fairly good, with ~200 PRR, good saves, and shadow veil etc. It has worked out MUCH better than I even predicted.

Pure 20 Monk
Lawful Neutral
Elf

Starting Stats

Str - 11
Dex- 20
Con- 12
Int- 16
Wis- 9
Cha- 8

Skils
Hide
UMD
Balance
Concentration
Heal
Listen
Spot
Search
1 rank Tumble
9 ranks Spellcraft

Feats

Level 1 : Point Blank Shot
Level 1(M):Shuriken Expertise
Level 2(M): Power Attack
Level 3 : Sneak of Shadows
Level 6 : Precise Shot
Level 6(M):10K Stars
Level 9 : Rapid Shot
Level 12 : Improved Critical
Level 15 : Improved Precise Shot
Level 18 : Completionist
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Improved Martial Arts
Level 26 : Epic Skill Focus Hide
Level 27 : Blinding Speed
Level 28 : Doubleshot
Level 29 : Harbringer of Chaos
Level 30 : Combat Archery
Level 30 : Scion of the Ethereal Plane

Enhancements

Elf

Elven Accuracy 3/3
Elven Dex 2/2

Ninja Spy

Basic Ninja Training
Advanced Ninja Training
Shadow Veil
Diversion
Ninja Master
Impending Doom
Stealthy 3/3
Sneak Attack Training 4/4
Acrobatic 3/3
Poison Exploit
Agility 3/3
Poisoned Soul
Sting of the Ninja
Dexterity 2/2
Wave of Despair
No Mercy 3/3
Deadly Striker

Henshin Mystic

Riddle of Fire
Ki Bolt
Sounding Staff
Incinerating Wave
Henshin Staff Training 2/2
Negotiator 3/3
Way of the Patient Tortoise
Contemplation 3/3
Embrace the Void 3/3
Dexterity 2/2
Focus

Vistani Knife Fighter

Knife Expertise
Undead Hunter
Mist Stalker I
Acrobatic 1/3
Weapon Versatility

Harper Agent

Agent of Good
Harper Enchantment
Traveler's Toughness 2/3
Know the Angles 3/3

Epic Destiny

Legendary Dreadnought

Extra Action Boost 3/3
Con 1/1
Improved Power Attack
Power Boost 3/3
Haste Boost 3/3
Critical Damage 3/3
Advancing Blows
Devastating Critical
Pulverizer
Master's Blizt Resistance

Gear

TBH still working it out completely

Damage Screenshot (still missing a lot of gear)

https://imgur.com/a/ktLut

Am trying this on an alt and love it so far. You did leave out poisoned darts core in ninja spy. Not sure if that affects the overall expenditure. I did not seem to find a difference yet, but my alt does not have all racial pls. And I still need baba shuri if anyone wants to help me get it.

[stripe1001]

I am missing something. How do you take power attack at level 2 when you start with a str of 11? I do not see how to get the other two points of str to qualify in one level.

Nvmd -- Tomes

[tonkssd]

i Am using a similar build Monk6/ranger6/fT8
ranger DWS 11 AP(sniper shot)
Figther kensai 35 ap (Strike With No Though) and all tier 5
vistani 6 ap (Weapon Versatility)
monk NS 11 AP (shadow vail)
monk Henshin 16 ap (sound staf void 3 and candle 2)
human 1 ap (action bost)

Its a good opition for a LD epic destiny

kensei t5 i better than NS t5 becouse all tier 5 abilitis is benefical to ranged an costs only 5 ap, the bonus dmg from Weapon Group Specialization is beter than nijutsu and its for all monk weapons.

you can get agility 2 times in kensei and NS trees and in ocean stance the max doge bonus can be 48~52

i get all benefical ranged feats, quick draw you can get free on henshin tree and if you spend one more point in vistani can get deflec arrows
power atack , improved power atack , and combat archery is useless for normal shuriken (1d2) base dmg, and power atack is exclusive whit precision.

And this build can be very powerful in level 20 becouse you can sentient a evening star chalange shuriken and use prowes to boost 75 MP

[seskie1]

i Am using a similar build Monk6/ranger6/fT8
ranger DWS 11 AP(sniper shot)
Figther kensai 35 ap (Strike With No Though) and all tier 5
vistani 6 ap (Weapon Versatility)
monk NS 11 AP (shadow vail)
monk Henshin 16 ap (sound staf void 3 and candle 2)
human 1 ap (action bost)

Its a good opition for a LD epic destiny

kensei t5 i better than NS t5 becouse all tier 5 abilitis is benefical to ranged an costs only 5 ap, the bonus dmg from Weapon Group Specialization is beter than nijutsu and its for all monk weapons.

you can get agility 2 times in kensei and NS trees and in ocean stance the max doge bonus can be 48~52

i get all benefical ranged feats, quick draw you can get free on henshin tree and if you spend one more point in vistani can get deflec arrows
power atack , improved power atack , and combat archery is useless for normal shuriken (1d2) base dmg, and power atack is exclusive whit precision.

And this build can be very powerful in level 20 becouse you can sentient a evening star chalange shuriken and use prowes to boost 75 MP

Spite is 4.5 base dmg average. Imp PA is not useless. NS beats Kensai in every way. 8/6/6 is inferior in every way.

[tonkssd]

Spite is 4.5 base dmg average. Imp PA is not useless. NS beats Kensai in every way. 8/6/6 is inferior in every
way.

improve power atack gives only 0,5*(4,5)=2,25 dmg
you spend one feat, 1 EDP and lose ofensive stance
is the same for combat archery see the coments about shuriken throwers and combat archery
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/491338-Combat-Archery-and-Thrown-Weapons?highlight=combat+archery

NS bonus to hit and dmg is +4,
critical range +2
critical mult +1
4 sneak atac dice (but you dont have sniper shot)
cripling strike
no mercy (but you dont have stunig fist)
poison sting

kensei to hit +8 dmg+10
critical range +1 ( but you have sniper shot and deadly shot more crit)
critical mult +1
range male power 20
deadly shot and good death
critical mastery

where NS is beter than kensai? maybe in a party whit a stuner and a agro tank

[seskie1]

improve power atack gives only 0,5*(4,5)=2,25 dmg
you spend one feat, 1 EDP and lose ofensive stance
is the same for combat archery see the coments about shuriken throwers and combat archery
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/491338-Combat-Archery-and-Thrown-Weapons?highlight=combat+archery

NS bonus to hit and dmg is +4,
critical range +2
critical mult +1
4 sneak atac dice (but you dont have sniper shot)
cripling strike
no mercy (but you dont have stunig fist)
poison sting

kensei to hit +8 dmg+10
critical range +1 ( but you have sniper shot and deadly shot more crit)
critical mult +1
range male power 20
deadly shot and good death
critical mastery

where NS is beter than kensai? maybe in a party whit a stuner and a agro tank

Thank you for listing all the reasons NS is superior to kensai.

[Vish]

Tagging this for future tr
Gonna get some ap,
Then play an elf
Never did that before
Have runes for spite

Do you have a gear layout?

[tonkssd]

Thank you for listing all the reasons NS is superior to kensai.
where NS is beter than kensai ??
DMG bonus and to hit less
no male ranged power
no fortification pass (this is essential to sneak atack and critical dmg)
no auto crit hit
no vulnerability to sneak atack
no crit confirm

NS has only
sneak atac bonus
helpless bonus dmg
criping strike

[DrawingGuy]

@tonkssd -
For PA + IPA, you're forgetting the +5. That 5 + 2.25 is then multiplied by melee power, and then those numbers are then multiplied by any crits. It all adds up. Precision, on the other hand, only helps when you are getting grazing hits and/or when you're going against fortification you are not fully bypassing. However at that point it is helping by a good bit more than PA is. I personally would go Precision, especially considering the point of NS and Ethereal, but I see seskie's logic - especially in undead heavy content like Ravenloft where no amount of bypass would help anyways.

As for a pure Monk with Ninja Spy vs a xclass, you are missing a good bit:
- Ninja Spy gets 9 SA + 5 SA die clicky. As SA scales so well with MP and this build centers on MP, that is significant damage.
- Sting of the Ninja is respectable DPS, also scales of MP, and is further boosted by the better crit profile of a T5 NS rather than other classes
- Shurikens specialize in attack quantity. So when there is a choice between a singular attack like Sniper Shot or Deadly Shot and something that boosts every single attack like Deadly Striker, the universal buff is likely to win for DPS. Admittedly I have not crunched the numbers, but willing to bet it favors the latter.
- Qualifying for SA is actually quite easy on a Shuri build, especially with the new gear. Fire Stance with Perfect Pinnacle gives Fear + Blind procs that would give you SA. Brilliance procs from offhand Celestia or Sunsword will give you SA. Deception procs from items like Echo of Ravenkind will give you SA. Add in the fact that Shurikens are a spam weapon type, and you usually have the proc triggering nearly constantly. Sniper Shot is not needed.
- Cross-classing also means splitting up your AP. By giving up KtA, you're giving up 10-20 damage, which far outweighs your base damage gains of Kensai. You're also giving up 15 MP (5 of which is given to the entire party) and Sting.

TL;DR - Your split is a good split as it is less gear dependent and can be great for breaking out various Heroic PLs... however it is not superior DPS to a pure build.

[peng]

Pretty sure that power attack only applies to melee.

[seskie1]

Pretty sure that power attack only applies to melee.

Do people read the thread before commenting? PA is used for Imp PA from LD to get .5W

[peng]

Do people read the thread before commenting? PA is used for Imp PA from LD to get .5W
Was responding to:

@tonkssd -
For PA + IPA, you're forgetting the +5. That 5 + 2.25 is then multiplied by melee power, and then those numbers are then multiplied by any crits. It all adds up. Precision, on the other hand, only helps when you are getting grazing hits and/or when you're going against fortification you are not fully bypassing. However at that point it is helping by a good bit more than PA is. I personally would go Precision, especially considering the point of NS and Ethereal, but I see seskie's logic - especially in undead heavy content like Ravenloft where no amount of bypass would help anyways.

[DrawingGuy]

Yes - I was the idiot that forgot. Always have just used Precision on my ranged builds. :p

[tonkssd]

Yes - I was the idiot that forgot. Always have just used Precision on my ranged builds. :p


Fort bypass is very important in Legendary and epic many discussions here says the minimun is 50% by passing, many people only looks the higuest dmg, but never see if can do the same in high fort mobs like unded and constructs,the slipt class whit figther helps a lot becouse kensai has strike on the heart and shatering strike plus precision the build have 55 fort by pass whit no equipaments. figgter extra feats can helps to get all benefical ranged feats like Shot and run and 2 times toughness.

[Ellihor]

wrong thread

[tonkssd]

the new update will kill this build becouse vistani versatility will works only for dagers

[Pilgrim1]

Not realy. You can still get a respectful amout of ranged ranged power. Nothing is lowering the dmg from spite’s dot.

[Vish]

Building this over in Sumatra,
Don't know if I'll get to 30 before u38

Will be exploring other destinies afterward

Thanks to op for notes

[GatekeeperPL]

Do people read the thread before commenting? PA is used for Imp PA from LD to get .5W


I dunno, why?, what were You typing ? ;)

[padd]

have you done an AP update after u38, asking because other then the ppr from knife fighter i dont see going into this tree much

[xBunny]

Is this build still playable after Henshin cores nerf? And looks like Weapon Versatility works with daggers only judging from the in-game description.

[Vish]

This build got nerfed
Doesn't work anymore in ld