Deep Gnomes and You!! (need help!)

[Kurse_Darkstone]

Okay.. so .. got access to Deep Gnomes.. want to play one..but.. REALLY feel.. disjointed.. figure I am doing something wrong...

Looking for builds for Deep Gnomes that work.. and are fun to play...

would rather not be all Evil undead .. thats pretty much the only thing... what do you great builders have that you could show me?
have seen Skorpeon and Slarden's builds.. would love their input if still available... anyone's for that matter :)

doest have to be min/maxed.. of course will be first life and no access to any TR stuff yet.

[unbongwah]

There is a DG wizard in my Iconic Builds thread.

[elvesunited]

Okay.. so .. got access to Deep Gnomes.. want to play one..but.. REALLY feel.. disjointed.. figure I am doing something wrong...

Looking for builds for Deep Gnomes that work.. and are fun to play...

would rather not be all Evil undead .. thats pretty much the only thing... what do you great builders have that you could show me?
have seen Skorpeon and Slarden's builds.. would love their input if still available... anyone's for that matter :)

doest have to be min/maxed.. of course will be first life and no access to any TR stuff yet.

While I did it it with Sun Elf rather than Deep Gnome ( Deep Gnome not having been available yet ) I found good success with a wizard 17/favored soul 2/cleric 1 who later became a wizard 18/favored soul 2. With Deep Gnome you wouldn't have to worry about the cleric level.

Archmage: To get the tier 5 abilities and core magic missile and chain missile
Angel of vengeance: To get Just reward for temporary spellpoints
Harper: To get up to +4 Int ( if not available then possibly put some in eldritch knight )
Deep Gnome: To get the +20 spellcraft

Use chain missile, magic missile, power bolt, and power ball SLAs in rotation to keep your temporary spellpoints pumped and your damage output good.

Use Web, prismatic Spray, and dancing globe to keep crowds controlled. ( each has its benefits and drawbacks )

Later take the Master of knowledge feat.

For epic destinies you'd eventually want to head to the shiradi and divine crusader lines.

[Kurse_Darkstone]

There is a DG wizard in my Iconic Builds thread.

grat and Mighty Unbongwah :)

I like your build... but was wondering if there was a build that built off of evocation instead of illusionist?

[unbongwah]

I like your build... but was wondering if there was a build that built off of evocation instead of illusionist?
I'm sure there is. I just didn't bother posting one because the Deep Gnome wizard's forte is Illusion spells, in particular having two Phantasmal Killer SLAs: one from racial tree, one from Archmage. Making a DG Evocation Archmage looks...exactly like every other Evo AM build out there. Only shorter. ;)

[count_spicoli]

The build elves united posted is good but you will want to smash your head on the keyboard lvs 15-20 and until you get some points spent in the shirardi tree in epics if you dont have it filled already. LIke Unbong said you really want to go illusion with deep gnome because they get the free sla. Evocation Wizzy build is gonna be rough. THey just dont get the dmg bonuses on spells to be worth while for evo spells. Are you stuck on wizard? What about a rogue mechanic? Sure you will be stuck wit the one lvl of wizzy but you really only need 18 lvs of rogue. Then take an arti lvl and you get the deep gnome int bonus and can get a +1 competience bonus on light repeating crossbow too.

[Kurse_Darkstone]

hmm.. well was wanting him to be my wizard.. as I already hve a rogue assassin I am working on.

but could be interesting... will just build him up as a Illusionist then see how I like him.

thanks gang!

[Mairsil]

The build elves united posted is good but you will want to smash your head on the keyboard lvs 15-20 and until you get some points spent in the shirardi tree in epics if you dont have it filled already. LIke Unbong said you really want to go illusion with deep gnome because they get the free sla. Evocation Wizzy build is gonna be rough. THey just dont get the dmg bonuses on spells to be worth while for evo spells. Are you stuck on wizard? What about a rogue mechanic? Sure you will be stuck wit the one lvl of wizzy but you really only need 18 lvs of rogue. Then take an arti lvl and you get the deep gnome int bonus and can get a +1 competience bonus on light repeating crossbow too.



Do you havea build fir this? I don't know anything about rogues and am doing deep gnome kind of soon.

[fmalfeas]

The build elves united posted is good but you will want to smash your head on the keyboard lvs 15-20 and until you get some points spent in the shirardi tree in epics if you dont have it filled already. LIke Unbong said you really want to go illusion with deep gnome because they get the free sla. Evocation Wizzy build is gonna be rough. THey just dont get the dmg bonuses on spells to be worth while for evo spells. Are you stuck on wizard? What about a rogue mechanic? Sure you will be stuck wit the one lvl of wizzy but you really only need 18 lvs of rogue. Then take an arti lvl and you get the deep gnome int bonus and can get a +1 competience bonus on light repeating crossbow too.

Funny thing, the real 'nuker' archmage isn't Evo. Though Evoc is the AoE nuker Archmage. The one that hunts bosses (except liches, who make it cry), is a Transmuter. Disintegrate, Ruin, Greater Ruin. Force missile SLAs for things that don't really threaten you, with 'the big three' reserved for serious threats, and Helmed Horrors (because do NOT hit them with Force attacks if you want them to die this century. Best to stay untyped.)

The problem is that Heightened, Empowered, Maximized, Emboldened, Intensified Disintegrate is EXPENSIVE. And with that as a 'bread and butter' killshot (with Embolden and Intensify obviously reserved for epic) it's very painful for the pure caster with less mana than the sorc. Upside - not much can resist those spells in any meaningful way. But you also end up very, very single-target, as even the Transmute CC are either only partial (slow) or single target (flesh to stone).

The big upside is that all you have to worry about in terms of spellpower and spellcrit is Force. But given how often swarms come at you in DDO, a Transmuter pretty much is gonna need to live in groups, serving as a very rude surgical implement to cut out the worst enemies in each fight (reds and deathblocked and/or mindblocked champs).