Why did Versatile Adept on harper tree get nerfed?

[draven1]

While Henshin Mystic cores grants 10 melee power per core and it isn't limited by weapon types.

If someone get all cores, it grants 75 MP, that's MORE than full stack BLITs.
And it's not epic, in heroic.
Even dont need to get stacks, just passive.

[AzureDragonas]

While Henshin Mystic cores grants 10 melee power per core and it isn't limited by weapon types.

If someone get all cores, it grants 75 MP, that's MORE than full stack BLITs.
And it's not epic, in heroic.
Even dont need to get stacks, just passive.

Now with all this info keep in mind those 75 you get at 20, if you heavily invest in tree which is kinda bad. Not sure if you really gonna go qstaff build on monk, when acrobat is superior in any way, unarmed requires shintao giving dozen cc damage and dices, and ninja gives helpless damage and 50% double strike. I myself on my monk build found at best i was able to pick 10-20 MP only i was able to pick cause there are way better stuff in other trees.

[draven1]

Now with all this info keep in mind those 75 you get at 20, if you heavily invest in tree which is kinda bad. Not sure if you really gonna go qstaff build on monk, when acrobat is superior in any way, unarmed requires shintao giving dozen cc damage and dices, and ninja gives helpless damage and 50% double strike. I myself on my monk build found at best i was able to pick 10-20 MP only i was able to pick cause there are way better stuff in other trees.

What if a shintao monk take 4 or 5 henshin cores with shintao 5 & 6 cores?
That's also 75ish PASSIVE melee power.

[PermaBanned]

While Henshin Mystic cores grants 10 melee power per core and it isn't limited by weapon types.

If someone get all cores, it grants 75 MP, that's MORE than full stack BLITs.
And it's not epic, in heroic.
Even dont need to get stacks, just passive.
1) That's after a 41 AP expense into a tree that's meh@best on a pure 20 Monk.


What if a shintao monk take 4 or 5 henshin cores with shintao 5 & 6 cores?
2) Then you get a pure 20 Handwrap using Monk who likely neglected some nice benefits from Ninja Spy?

3)Not seeing where the nerf to Harper is at, so... click bait?

[JoeShmo]

Never thought I would see the day that the Henshin Tree would be called "too strong" if you invest the majority of your AP into it. Exciting times we live in :D

[draven1]

1) That's after a 41 AP expense into a tree that's meh@best on a pure 20 Monk.
41AP for 50~75 MP is not expansive at all for heroic tree. There is no other enhancement that gives 50~75 MP.


2) Then you get a pure 20 Handwrap using Monk who likely neglected some nice benefits from Ninja Spy?
Almost nobody using Ninja spy as a melee monk. Only shuris using it.
50~75MP or 4d6 sneak attack, the choice is obvious.


3)Not seeing where the nerf to Harper is at, so... click bait?
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/447705-Harper-tree-feedback
It was Versatile Adept I: +2/+4/+6 to Melee Power, Ranged Power, and Universal Spell Power.
Now it is just +1/+2/+3, got halved.

[JoeShmo]

Almost nobody using Ninja spy as a melee monk. Only shuris using it.
50~75MP or 4d6 sneak attack, the choice is obvious.


100% false. EVERY unarmed monk that I know, myself included (been playing a pure unarmed monk since 2009), invests at least enough points in Ninja Spy to get Shadow Veil and then some. That ability is way too good to not get. And then another 41 in Shintao leaving whatever is left to allocate between Henshin, Harper, Aasimar, etc. So no, there's nothing too strong about the Henshin tree in the overall scheme of things in my opinion.

[Cantor]

Shadow Veil and then some. That ability is way too good to not get.
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[SpartanKiller13]

I had at least 11 AP into Henshin on my Silvanus life, +30 MP is way too good to pass up.

I don't think Versatile Adept needed to get nerfed, or if it did maybe change to 1/2/4 instead. +3 MP for 3 AP seems pretty terrible, but I guess I can see how +6 MP might be a little strong for a universal tree?

[draven1]

100% false. EVERY unarmed monk that I know, myself included (been playing a pure unarmed monk since 2009), invests at least enough points in Ninja Spy to get Shadow Veil and then some. That ability is way too good to not get. And then another 41 in Shintao leaving whatever is left to allocate between Henshin, Harper, Aasimar, etc. So no, there's nothing too strong about the Henshin tree in the overall scheme of things in my opinion.

Even if you use shadow veil, how many point did you use in ninja spy? Is it more than henshin tree AP?

Reapers ALWAYS see invisi and shares aggro immediately when they see you, so, invisibility portion of shadow veil is not so helpful for current META.
And you know reapers are incorporeal. So, 25% incorporeal is also not so good for current META.

[SpartanKiller13]

Even if you use shadow veil, how many point did you use in ninja spy? Is it more than henshin tree AP?

Reapers ALWAYS see invisi and shares aggro immediately when they see you, so, invisibility portion of shadow veil is not so helpful for current META.
And you know reapers are incorporeal. So, 25% incorporeal is also not so good for current META.

TBH in heroics the biggest threat to me is champs. Reapers die fast if you focus them, but DoT stacking champs are the worst thing out there. Incorp is fantastic vs those, and just the general trash mobs.

[PermaBanned]

Even if you use shadow veil, how many point did you use in ninja spy? Is it more than henshin tree AP?

Reapers ALWAYS see invisi and shares aggro immediately when they see you, so, invisibility portion of shadow veil is not so helpful for current META.
And you know reapers are incorporeal. So, 25% incorporeal is also not so good for current META.Spending 41 AP in Henshin is also not so good for current META...


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/447705-Harper-tree-feedbackAh my bad, didn't realize you were referring to a nerf from 3 years ago...

[scipiojedi]

Almost nobody using Ninja spy as a melee monk. Only shuris using it.
50~75MP or 4d6 sneak attack, the choice is obvious.




Actually it isn't to me. I'd honestly do the SA. You'll have to actually break down the numbers to convince me which one is better.

[chrysahor]

Never thought I would see the day that the Henshin Tree would be called "too strong" if you invest the majority of your AP into it. Exciting times we live in :D

IKR, can't get a party w/o at least 3 Q-staff monks in it nowaday