Can we fix cyclonic blasst

[Hobgoblin]

from Lynns thread

can wefix cyclonic blast? i only notice on my new monk but i still take damage even on a made save.

as far as i can tell - if i make the save i dont fall down and take damage - if i fail i fall down and take damage

it is a reflex save, so i shouldnt be taking damage on a made save

from ddowiki:
You send a twisting torrent of wind toward your enemies that deals 1d3+3 damage per caster level (Maximum damage 15d3+45.) to targets in its path. A successful Reflex save reduces the damage by half. If the target fails its Reflex save, it must make a Strength check or Dexterity check to negate be knocked prone. The spell also clears away all lingering effects in its path, such as clouds and Wall of Fire (including friendly effects).

[Greantun]

from Lynns thread

can wefix cyclonic blast? i only notice on my new monk but i still take damage even on a made save.

as far as i can tell - if i make the save i dont fall down and take damage - if i fail i fall down and take damage

it is a reflex save, so i shouldnt be taking damage on a made save

from ddowiki:
You send a twisting torrent of wind toward your enemies that deals 1d3+3 damage per caster level (Maximum damage 15d3+45.) to targets in its path. A successful Reflex save reduces the damage by half. If the target fails its Reflex save, it must make a Strength check or Dexterity check to negate be knocked prone. The spell also clears away all lingering effects in its path, such as clouds and Wall of Fire (including friendly effects).

According to the wiki (from your quote above), you should still take damage even if you make the save.
A successful Reflex save reduces the damage by half.

[Hobgoblin]

According to the wiki (from your quote above), you should still take damage even if you make the save.

with evasion?

i dont think so

When you make a successful Reflex save to avoid damage, you suffer no damage instead of half damage.

and ya i should have made that clear in the op that i was talking about evasion and the spell

[Jomee]

with evasion?

i dont think so

When you make a successful Reflex save to avoid damage, you suffer no damage instead of half damage.

and ya i should have made that clear in the op that i was talking about evasion and the spell

Make sure you're not encumbered or using a large shield. You can make a successful reflex save but will not evade if encumbered.

[Hobgoblin]

Make sure you're not encumbered or using a large shield. You can make a successful reflex save but will not evade if encumbered.

ya pure monk not encumbered

[Hobgoblin]

so why doesnt a reflex save with evasion help with this again?

[Hobgoblin]

since its the week now,


up you go.


still not understanding why you take damage from this if you have evasion and make your save......

[Hobgoblin]

up.

hoping to get some light on this.

doing a more controlled test rather then just looking at combat logs now


in von 2 normal

(Combat): You attempt to save versus cyclonic blast. You roll a 17 (+66): save!

(Combat): Thaarak Hound's cyclonic blast hit you for 16 points of damage.

I won't write down all of the numbers, but I let this go on for 5 minutes and did not roll a single 1. I took damage on each save.

level 28 monk

improved evasion

just some data points

[Tyrande]

I believe the spell works this way:

If you fail the save, you take full damage *AND* being knocked down prone.

So, as a character with improved evasion; if you fail the save, you take half damage *AND* being knocked prone.

If you made the save, you take half damage *AND* NOT being knocked prone.

With improved evasion, somehow you *STILL* takes half damage with the save. I think the save part is not being knocked prone.

[Hobgoblin]

I believe the spell works this way:

If you fail the save, you take full damage *AND* being knocked down prone.

So, as a character with improved evasion; if you fail the save, you take half damage *AND* being knocked prone.

If you made the save, you take half damage *AND* NOT being knocked prone.

With improved evasion, somehow you *STILL* takes half damage with the save. I think the save part is not being knocked prone.

yes this is how it works right now

but it should be - you dont take damage at all if you make your save - just like everyother reflex save in the game

[Hobgoblin]

and up you go.

it seems the way to get change is to be squeaky.

so

squeak squeak squeak

[Arkantios]

and up you go.

it seems the way to get change is to be squeaky.

so

squeak squeak squeak

This spell is meant to deal half damage even on a reflex save with improved evasion. It's been like this for years because that's how the spell works. Even if you look in the Spell Compendium on page 57 from Dungeons and Dragons texts it states that you can only reflex for half. This is probably part of the reason why they gave this spell to Reapers along with other.....aggressive spells like Polar Ray.

[Hobgoblin]

This spell is meant to deal half damage even on a reflex save with improved evasion. It's been like this for years because that's how the spell works. Even if you look in the Spell Compendium on page 57 from Dungeons and Dragons texts it states that you can only reflex for half. This is probably part of the reason why they gave this spell to Reapers along with other.....aggressive spells like Polar Ray.

When you make a successful Reflex save to avoid damage, you suffer no damage instead of half damage.

definition of evasion.

in save description from spell

Reflex save takes half damage and avoids Strength check or Dexterity check to negate knocked Prone

to compare:
fireball

Reflex save takes half damage

so tell me why it doesnt save?

[Hipparan]

When you make a successful Reflex save to avoid damage, you suffer no damage instead of half damage.

definition of evasion.

in save description from spell

Reflex save takes half damage and avoids Strength check or Dexterity check to negate knocked Prone

to compare:
fireball

Reflex save takes half damage

so tell me why it doesnt save?

It's possible that the way the saves are coded that the Strength/Dex check interferes with how the reflex save normally works on that spell. Similar things happen with other spells like Sunburst. Sunburst is a level 8 spell, but is blocked by a lich's mantle of invulnerability (blocks spells level 4 and under). The reason it is blocked is because of wonky coding that counts the blind effect as a level 2 spell probably because it the effect may be copied over from the Blindness spell. Cyclonic Blast is also blocked by the mantle despite being a level 5 spell. This is because the knockdown effect is probably copied over from Gust of Wind.

[Hobgoblin]

so since coco has responded today -


why does this spell not work with evasion?

[Hobgoblin]

so, bump!

i have filed a bug report on this

[Fivetigers33]

so, bump!

i have filed a bug report on this

Sounds broken to me. It's funny at the lack of understanding about Evasion. I will admit I was naïve once too though. I will never forget the first time I ever had evasion. Lvl 20 bard swashbuckler. I thought the game was bugged because I wasn't taking damage... Then I realized how glorious Evasion was.

[Hobgoblin]

so lets go up!

ran invaders last night, with imp evasion and was taking around 150 points of damage on a save!

[Niminae]

I'd like to see this spell fixed. Thaarak Hounds will simply destroy you in high skull reapers despite Improved Evasion, and that's not how things are supposed to work*. Spending two feats should give you an effect that applies as intended.


* Before the inevitable replies, I get it: "The DM is trying to kill you." I'm not asking for a reaper nerf, I'm asking for an Evasion/Improved Evasion fix. He can try to kill me via lowering my damage, lowering my self heals, boosting enemy damage, spawning higher level Champions, and adding in Reapers all he likes. Killing me because he simply ignores my feats is not a legitimate part of the package.

[Spadedragon]

Evasion only works against certain spells. Cyclonic blast is not one of those spells apparently. It would be nice to have a complete list of spells that evasion does work on but I've never seen that list compiled.

[Hobgoblin]

Evasion only works against certain spells. Cyclonic blast is not one of those spells apparently. It would be nice to have a complete list of spells that evasion does work on but I've never seen that list compiled.

ya it does. it works against spells that allow a reflex save! which cyclonic blast is one of them!

[PermaBanned]

Lol ~6 weeks later, not a single Dev reply... not even just a "Read by QA!"

The lack of give-a-darn is palpable at this point. Maybe it's time to test it in reverse: start Cyclonic Blasting mobs that have Evasion and see if they take damage? If it helps players, it gets fixed with a quickness ;)

[Hobgoblin]

Lol ~6 weeks later, not a single Dev reply... not even just a "Read by QA!"

The lack of give-a-darn is palpable at this point. Maybe it's time to test it in reverse: start Cyclonic Blasting mobs that have Evasion and see if they take damage? If it helps players, it gets fixed with a quickness ;)

good point - im thinking drow archers in bob? not sure if they have evasion though

[Spadedragon]

ya it does. it works against spells that allow a reflex save! which cyclonic blast is one of them!

Wiki states that evasion works with certain magical attacks. No where does it state that it works for all spells or magical attacks that require a reflex roll.

[Nimdeadlee]

Wiki states that evasion works with certain magical attacks. No where does it state that it works for all spells or magical attacks that require a reflex roll.

The wiki states the definition of Evasion as: "When you make a successful Reflex save to avoid damage, you suffer no damage instead of half damage." That's either wrong or pretty comprehensive.

It also states (I believe this is what you are referencing): "Evasion primarily helps against certain magic attacks as well as avoiding most types of trap damage." Note, it does not say it works with certain magical attacks, it says it primarily helps. This is inherently ambiguous but, given the above definition, could be read as the main benefit of Evasion is that it helps against some, but not all, magical attacks (interpretation mine). It further explains that it does not avoid the damage from the Spell Wards in The Underdark as they must be met by a Will save and cannot be evaded. This is consistent with "certain magical attacks" being those that require a Fortitude or Will save to avoid damage.

I can't see anything in the wiki page that makes me think Evasion shouldn't work against Cyclonic Blast.

[Spadedragon]

The wiki states the definition of Evasion as: "When you make a successful Reflex save to avoid damage, you suffer no damage instead of half damage." That's either wrong or pretty comprehensive.

It also states (I believe this is what you are referencing): "Evasion primarily helps against certain magic attacks as well as avoiding most types of trap damage." Note, it does not say it works with certain magical attacks, it says it primarily helps. This is inherently ambiguous but, given the above definition, could be read as the main benefit of Evasion is that it helps against some, but not all, magical attacks (interpretation mine). It further explains that it does not avoid the damage from the Spell Wards in The Underdark as they must be met by a Will save and cannot be evaded. This is consistent with "certain magical attacks" being those that require a Fortitude or Will save to avoid damage.

I can't see anything in the wiki page that makes me think Evasion shouldn't work against Cyclonic Blast.

The fact that is doesn't work right now and has been a known issue for a long time implies that it is WAI.

[Hobgoblin]

The fact that is doesn't work right now and has been a known issue for a long time implies that it is WAI.

its not a known issue.

no dev has ever commented on it.

but it hurts players, so it stays


and ya im using the definition of what evasion is for basing it on what it should work on. if it says its a reflex save, it should work!

[Cantor]

I don't know of any other reflex save spell that evasion doesn't defend against.

[Niminae]

The fact that is doesn't work right now and has been a known issue for a long time implies that it is WAI.

That is a poor chain of logic. There are numerous bugs which have existed in the game for years, and even been acknowledged by the devs as bugs, but which remain in the game despite being known bugs. Being a known issue for a long time != WAI. It doesn't even imply that.

[PermaBanned]

The fact that is doesn't work right now and has been a known issue for a long time implies that it is WAI.
Following that line of thinking, the I guess the following must also be WAI?

• Broken Ladders
• Hunter of Boxes
• Simultaneously benefitting from SWF & TWF

[Spadedragon]

Following that line of thinking, the I guess the following must also be WAI?

• Broken Ladders
• Hunter of Boxes
• Simultaneously benefitting from SWF & TWF

Much of that has been fixed so it doesn't really apply

[vryxnr]

Much of that has been fixed so it doesn't really apply

Ladder glitch is still a thing.

Evasion is supposed to gives it's benefits vs spells and effects that target reflex saves to do damage. By the in game rules it should work against Cyclonic Blast as well, but currently does not. DDOwiki is made by fans using anecdotal evidence gathered by playing the game (with clarifications if they arise from these forums), not the devs who can look directly at the code... so while usually quite accurate, it isn't always so, and can actually be wrong from time to time.

Unless a dev actually comes in to say that this is WAI, we cannot justifiably state it is so with absolute certainty, especially when the in game description of Evasion and Cyclonic Blast gives no indication that Evasion does not work against Cyclonic Blast (and every indication that it should).

[PermaBanned]

Much of that has been fixed so it doesn't really apply
To be honest, I haven't played a BrokenWolf in quite a while to know if the SWF+TWF still works. I do know broken ladders are still prolific, and Hunter of Boxes still just glitches out Arti pets. So no, "much" of those three examples haven't been fixed and still apply ;)

But it's cool, believe what you will & enjoy the bliss ^^

[Spadedragon]

To be honest, I haven't played a BrokenWolf in quite a while to know if the SWF+TWF still works. I do know broken ladders are still prolific, and Hunter of Boxes still just glitches out Arti pets. So no, "much" of those three examples haven't been fixed and still apply ;)

But it's cool, believe what you will & enjoy the bliss ^^

Recent ladder repairs and and swf+twf nerfs have been posted in release notes.So Yes much of those have been fixed.Don't take take my word for it-read the past release notes yourself.If you don't want to believe the info the devs posted than that's on you.

[Hugoleo]

Recent ladder repairs and and swf+twf nerfs have been posted in release notes.So Yes much of those have been fixed.Don't take take my word for it-read the past release notes yourself.If you don't want to believe the info the devs posted than that's on you.

By your "logic" even if those things were fixed they were WAI until the moment they were fixed. Why were they fixed if they were WAI?

[Spadedragon]

By your "logic" even if those things were fixed they were WAI until the moment they were fixed. Why were they fixed if they were WAI?

I never said broken ladders were working as intended. Clearly your taking things out of context for your own special logic.

[Hugoleo]

I never said broken ladders were working as intended. Clearly your taking things out of context for your own special logic.


The fact that is doesn't work right now and has been a known issue for a long time implies that it is WAI.

How is it out of context?
The only problem is that your rationalization for why it's WAI simply doesn't work, which is made clear when it applied to just about anything esle.

[Spadedragon]

How is it out of context?
The only problem is that your rationalization for why it's WAI simply doesn't work, which is made clear when it applied to just about anything esle.

The fact this post has been up for 6 weeks been ignored by all devs is pretty clear rationalization.

[Hugoleo]

The fact this post has been up for 6 weeks been ignored by all devs is pretty clear rationalization.

The vast majority of threads do not get a dev response.

[Spadedragon]

The vast majority of threads do not get a dev response.

The vast majority aren't about bugs either.

[Yamani]

The fact this post has been up for 6 weeks been ignored by all devs is pretty clear rationalization.
You've been on this post for 2 days, ignoring it for 5 weeks at least yourself. brought back up on the weekends. You expect devs to be spending time away from creating ravenloft for cyclonic blast forum thread? Especially since bugs are supposed to reported through a bug report tool and not the forum?

[Spadedragon]

You've been on this post for 2 days, ignoring it for 5 weeks at least yourself. brought back up on the weekends. You expect devs to be spending time away from creating ravenloft for cyclonic blast forum thread? Especially since bugs are supposed to reported through a bug report tool and not the forum?

Appears your the one who's been ignoring this post. Many players wont go to the trouble of filing bug reports, hence they post in the forums. Devs have always worked on new content and bugs at the same time. There is more than one dev you know. The devs are also more capable then you think.

[Yamani]

Appears your the one who's been ignoring this post. Many players wont go to the trouble of filing bug reports, hence they post in the forums. Devs have always worked on new content and bugs at the same time. There is more than one dev you know. The devs are also more capable then you think.
Yes, but I'd rather them be working instead of scouring the forums looking for bugs. Where ppl like you complain about lack of dev response on forums. Also it's not the dev's jobs to monitor forums for this stuff. As for other ppl filing a report that doesn't matter it was directed at the one complaining about lack of dev response on forums. :P

Heck I could list a few bugs about Evasion/dodge/and other similar stuff to cyclonic blast but its not worth the time on forums.

[Spadedragon]

Yes, but I'd rather them be working instead of scouring the forums looking for bugs. Where ppl like you complain about lack of dev response on forums. Also it's not the dev's jobs to monitor forums for this stuff. As for other ppl filing a report that doesn't matter it was directed at the one complaining about lack of dev response on forums. :P

Heck I could list a few bugs about Evasion/dodge/and other similar stuff to cyclonic blast but its not worth the time on forums.

Where did I complain about dev response on the forums? No one said it was the devs job to monitor forums. You make a lot of assumptions that are way out there in left field.

[Hugoleo]

The vast majority aren't about bugs either.

The vast majority that are about bugs do not get a dev response. That does not make the bugs WAI.

[Spadedragon]

The vast majority that are about bugs do not get a dev response. That does not make the bugs WAI.

I said that cyclonic blast may be working as intended. I've never claimed the majority of bugs posted in the forum were WAI. That's a ridiculous assumption.

[Hugoleo]

I said that cyclonic blast may be working as intended. I've never claimed the majority of bugs posted in the forum were WAI. That's a ridiculous assumption.

You are saying that cyclonic blast is working as intended because no dev has responded to this thread. That is indeed a ridiculous assumption that can be applied to the majority of bugs.
Feel free to change your mind now that you see how ridiculous your assumption is.

[Hobgoblin]

I said that cyclonic blast may be working as intended. I've never claimed the majority of bugs posted in the forum were WAI. That's a ridiculous assumption.

ok so it tooks devs 3+ years to reply to ladders being bugged in general. - wai

you could use a "shortcut" in big top to get easy tokens - wai

abbott raid broken - no word just shut down - wai

offerwall - no dev comment - wai

using heavy armor with evasion - wai

more then half of then turbine staff being let go - no comment- wai right?





do you understand how ridiculous you sound?




im not looking for a dev to comment ( it would be nice!)

what i want is visibility. I have done a report on it. my gf logged into her account for the first time in 4+ years to submit a bug report.

dont hate the player, hate the game.

guards on one particular item - squeak squeak squeak changed


so thanks for bumping this and keeping it up!

[Spadedragon]

You are saying that cyclonic blast is working as intended because no dev has responded to this thread. That is indeed a ridiculous assumption that can be applied to the majority of bugs.
Feel free to change your mind now that you see how ridiculous your assumption is.

I said the lack of response on a 6 week old thread implies it might be WAI. Just this week when there was a problem with the store devs responded almost immediately. Would you care to explain the difference between threads that get a one day response and threads that get ignored for over 6 weeks. Guess that might be hard for you to explain without a lot of guess work and silly assumptions.

[Spadedragon]

ok so it tooks devs 3+ years to reply to ladders being bugged in general. - wai

you could use a "shortcut" in big top to get easy tokens - wai

abbott raid broken - no word just shut down - wai

offerwall - no dev comment - wai

using heavy armor with evasion - wai

more then half of then turbine staff being let go - no comment- wai right?





do you understand how ridiculous you sound?




im not looking for a dev to comment ( it would be nice!)

what i want is visibility. I have done a report on it. my gf logged into her account for the first time in 4+ years to submit a bug report.

dont hate the player, hate the game.

guards on one particular item - squeak squeak squeak changed


so thanks for bumping this and keeping it up!

Many of those bugs were reported so often and were so obvious, like broken ladders there was no need or reason to respond to multiple threads about the same problem.

[Shantara]

Unfortunately, the store was 'fixed' with a go around because it's a main source of revenue. The 'unfortunately' not in any way lowering the value in it needing to be fixed pronto or not. It's bottom line.

[Hobgoblin]

Many of those bugs were reported so often and were so obvious, like broken ladders there was no need or reason to respond to multiple threads about the same problem.

and this is in the same category.

evasion - if a spell requires a reflex save for half damage, and you make the save you take no damage instead of half damage.

blast gives a reflex save for gasp, half damage

[Darius1680]

Unfortunately, the store was 'fixed' with a go around because it's a main source of revenue. The 'unfortunately' not in any way lowering the value in it needing to be fixed pronto or not. It's bottom line.

The issue wasn't about a quick fix. It was about a quick response which cost nothing.

[Shantara]

If a dev doesn't respond, plausible deniability.

[Hugoleo]

I said the lack of response on a 6 week old thread implies it might be WAI. Just this week when there was a problem with the store devs responded almost immediately. Would you care to explain the difference between threads that get a one day response and threads that get ignored for over 6 weeks. Guess that might be hard for you to explain without a lot of guess work and silly assumptions.

So at week 5 it's a bug and at week 6 it's a feature?

The store is their income, if you don't understand why that gets more attention than a bugged spell I can't really help you.


That a lack of a dev response is any indication of whether or not something is WAI is ridiculous notion. You can just as well make the argument that if it was WAI a dev would tell us, and since it has been 6 weeks without a dev telling us that it's WAI it must clearly be a bug.
PROOF: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/489560-Feral-charge-does-not-work-with-ranged-weapons

[Spadedragon]

So at week 5 it's a bug and at week 6 it's a feature?

The store is their income, if you don't understand why that gets more attention than a bugged spell I can't really help you.


That a lack of a dev response is any indication of whether or not something is WAI is ridiculous notion. You can just as well make the argument that if it was WAI a dev would tell us, and since it has been 6 weeks without a dev telling us that it's WAI it must clearly be a bug.
PROOF: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/489560-Feral-charge-does-not-work-with-ranged-weapons

That proof is a pretty poor example since devs did responded in only 4 weeks unlike this thread. Of course there going to fix there wallet first, that is a moot point.However, that doesn't mean devs wont correlate a response just because it doesn't make an immediate impact on there wallet.

[Hugoleo]

That proof is a pretty poor example since devs did responded in only 4 weeks unlike this thread. Of course there going to fix there wallet first, that is a moot point.However, that doesn't mean devs wont correlate a response just because it doesn't make an immediate impact on there wallet.

That confirms what I was saying. If it was WAI the devs would have responded in 4 weeks or less. Since they haven't we must conclude that it's not WAI.
Don't think that this is a valid argument? Well, then your argument is invalid as well (which it is).

[cru121]

Grand, is that you? Go back to the vault please.

[Darius1680]

Many of those bugs were reported so often and were so obvious, like broken ladders there was no need or reason to respond to multiple threads about the same problem.

You make some valid points. I tend to agree with you.

[Yamani]

PROOF: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/489560-Feral-charge-does-not-work-with-ranged-weapons
Sorry to say against this, but this dev response was posted on the lamania forums just after a patch went up. Where dev's where looking for player feedback on all the new stuff. Aasimar/Vistani/cosmetics/dagger down and such that guys post just happened to be caught up in the mix.

[Hugoleo]

Sorry to say against this, but this dev response was posted on the lamania forums just after a patch went up. Where dev's where looking for player feedback on all the new stuff. Aasimar/Vistani/cosmetics/dagger down and such that guys post just happened to be caught up in the mix.

Finding an example of a dev saying that something is WAI is just a matter of looking through the dev tracker.
It was not a serious attempt of a proof. It was only to show the hilarity of the other guys argument.

[Spadedragon]

Finding an example of a dev saying that something is WAI is just a matter of looking through the dev tracker.
It was not a serious attempt of a proof. It was only to show the hilarity of the other guys argument.

So in other words some of the things that players think are bugs are actually WAI which just goes to prove my point.

[dunklezhan]

You know, it's a fair question to ask, the text on the feat in game does suggest it should be any reflex save to avoid damage where you would otherwise take half.

And so it would be good to get a dev response. Have you tried PMing Cordovan and just asking directly?

[Hugoleo]

So in other words some of the things that players think are bugs are actually WAI which just goes to prove my point.

And many things that players are bugs are actually bugs which just goes to prove my point.

[Hugoleo]

And many things that players are bugs are actually bugs which just goes to prove my point.

Well said.

[Noir]

And many things that players are bugs are actually bugs which just goes to prove my point.


Well said.


Your Agreeing with yourself? Have we forgotten which of your sock accounts are which?

[Hobgoblin]

so since its not the weekend.....

can this go up?


would like a dev to chime in and say something. "yes its wai" would suck, but be ok. "we know and we have it fixed in our private build" would be awesome. Even "read by qa" would be acceptable. Maybe at this point - " hob, your mom wears combat boots and you need to shut up" would be something!


so my ticket is 27769 and i have done the following tests - not conclusive.

went into invaders with a monk. level 30. reflex save of 69. got hit 55 times by blast. made save 54 of those. half damage on the saves half damage on the fail. fell down on fail. (imp evasion if it makes a difference.)
went into von 2 - only 20 but 20 saves half damage.

rolled up a fresh gnome wizard. went into bargain of blood.

real inconclusive here - first set of archers - cast blast 3 times. 2 didnt save knocked down and dead by third blast. so failed reflex full damage and knock down.
last archer - was slivered knocked down. when he stood up he took a blast and had the save symbol over his head and took no damage. on second cast died.

hope that helps!

[Hobgoblin]

poke poke?

[Hobgoblin]

and up you go.


may you rise up and get attention from someone, somewhere, somehow!

[Tlorrd]

and up you go.


may you rise up and get attention from someone, somewhere, somehow!

Here is the reality of this issue and bugs in general in this game ...

Fixing things like this that are originally coded in outdated systems, platforms, etc are beyond the scope of the devs expertise. I mean half the spells and class enhancements are bugged and can't be efficiently fixed without starting over; however, that is not priority for the devs. Thus this issue is a microcosm why numerous bugs will continue to accumulate without any hint of fixation.

[Faltout]

I suspect the reason evasion doesn't help with this spell is that there was an issue with it requiring 3 saves or something, which was fixed at some point.

I'd also like a fix for this. Have you checked that you're actually making a reflex save? (could be making a fortitude, like in energy burst from draconic) If you are indeed making a reflex save, then I suppose the save part of the spell has a crude script hardcoded.

[Cordovan]

It is most likely a bug that a character with Improved Evasion continues to take half-damage on a successful Reflex save for Cyclonic Blast. Since Improved Evasion negates damage against an effect that normally does half damage when saved against, and Cyclonic Blast's damage does half damage when saved against, a successful reflex save should negate the damage. Ultimately, it's probably a pretty low-priority bug, but sure, it's a bug.

[Dragavon]

It is most likely a bug that a character with Improved Evasion continues to take half-damage on a successful Reflex save for Cyclonic Blast. Since Improved Evasion negates damage against an effect that normally does half damage when saved against, and Cyclonic Blast's damage does half damage when saved against, a successful reflex save should negate the damage. Ultimately, it's probably a pretty low-priority bug, but sure, it's a bug.

No, the bug is that there is no save whatsoever against cyclonic blast now. Everyone takes full damage, evasion or not.

[Cordovan]

No, the bug is that there is no save whatsoever against cyclonic blast now. Everyone takes full damage, evasion or not.

My understanding is that there is a saving throw, which when successful avoids falling down. It's that the damage part is not properly connected to the saving throw.

[Hobgoblin]

It is most likely a bug that a character with Improved Evasion continues to take half-damage on a successful Reflex save for Cyclonic Blast. Since Improved Evasion negates damage against an effect that normally does half damage when saved against, and Cyclonic Blast's damage does half damage when saved against, a successful reflex save should negate the damage. Ultimately, it's probably a pretty low-priority bug, but sure, it's a bug.

at least we know now.

maybe its something that can be assigned to an intern next time you get one?

[MaeveTuohy]

My understanding is that there is a saving throw, which when successful avoids falling down. It's that the damage part is not properly connected to the saving throw.

Indeed, and it can be really frustrating. Going around the rock-step area in Undermine with a champion caster at the end who can see and target you (but whom is out of my range, ***?) and cyclonic blast-spams my rogue for massive, unsavable damage is just nuts.

[Aced]

The fact that is doesn't work right now and has been a known issue for a long time implies that it is WAI.



It is most likely a bug that a character with Improved Evasion continues to take half-damage on a successful Reflex save for Cyclonic Blast. Since Improved Evasion negates damage against an effect that normally does half damage when saved against, and Cyclonic Blast's damage does half damage when saved against, a successful reflex save should negate the damage. Ultimately, it's probably a pretty low-priority bug, but sure, it's a bug.


I think someone needs to go on an apology tour!:cool:

[Halciet]

How the spell currently functions it has no coded interaction with Evasion or Improved Evasion
If it is Wai a simple note in the spell text remarking "This spell bypasses Evasion" would be appreciated.

- Reflex Save for Half Damage

Successful Save - Take Half Damage
Failed Save - Take Full Damage, Make an additional Save vs Knockdown Effect

- Spell Absorption

The spell is correctly absorbed as a single level 5 spell and does bypass a Lich's Mantle of Invulnerability

[rizd999]

Confirmed this today that this bug is still an issue.... 3 years later?

Rolled a save on a character with evasion and still took half damage. I actually looked it up to find this post and I see that it's already outstanding because... dang... that was on the hardcore server! That could have been 15 levels down the drain because of an ancient bug! Lol

FYI on Reflex based spells-
-A character without evasion should take half damage on a save and full damage on a fail

-A character with evasion should take NO damage on a save and full damage on a fail

-A character with improved evasion should take NO damage on a save and half damage on a fail

The falling down part should be a different roll altogether after failing the initial save and evasion has no play on that. Strictly a strength or dex check after that.

After 3 years now, can this be put on a bit higher priority level to fix?

[MaeveTuohy]

After 3 years now, can this be put on a bit higher priority level to fix?

I think Cordovan essentially answered that question. And since then, more bugs of great import have entered the game. If anything, bugslike this slip down the list, not up it, as the game ages.

[SiliconScout]

So here's a question. Does this work this way against Mobs as well. As in could this spell be a guaranteed damage dealer vs. Evasion Mobs or is it only broken for PC's?