Fastest Burst Movement Speed

[FuryFlash]

Hello everyone,

A while back I made a thread about stacking movement speed effects, which ended up with me pretty much single-handedly screwing over every player in the game. (Chrono buff no longer works in quests - here's the old thread for reference: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/477587-What-speed-effects-stack)

Anyways, I'm back at it with the movement speed stuff. Based on my current knowledge, the fastest possible movement speed is the following:

18 Monk/2 Ranger

Move Speed:
Base - 100%
Enhancement - 50% Pendant (public only) / +40% Shadow Walk (quest)
VIP - 10% (public only)
Monk - 30% Monk Speed
Action Boost - 50% Sprint Boost

= 240% (public) / 220% (quest)

Anyone know of a build that can reach higher burst speeds?

[Tlorrd]

Hello everyone,

A while back I made a thread about stacking movement speed effects, which ended up with me pretty much single-handedly screwing over every player in the game. (Chrono buff no longer works in quests - here's the old thread for reference: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/477587-What-speed-effects-stack)

Anyways, I'm back at it with the movement speed stuff. Based on my current knowledge, the fastest possible movement speed is the following:

18 Monk/2 Ranger

Move Speed:
Base - 100%
Enhancement - 50% Pendant (public only) / +40% Shadow Walk (quest)
VIP - 10% (public only)
Monk - 30% Monk Speed
Action Boost - 50% Sprint Boost

= 240% (public) / 220% (quest)

Anyone know of a build that can reach higher burst speeds?

For epics have faster sneaking enhancements and be in shadowdancer and use shadow training II in stealth. Also use PDK past life action boost..

[gummolo]

Is not more a 14 bard (or rogue)/ 4 ftr/ 2 barb? 14%+10%+10% (still having Sprint boost)?

[Nightmanis]

Is not more a 14 bard (or rogue)/ 4 ftr/ 2 barb? 14%+10%+10% (still having Sprint boost)?

You probably could make a decent build out of that too if you did it.

I guess it's not the fastest, but 18 Rogue/2 Barb would have a base run speed of 28% with Thief Acrobat and Barb Fast Movement.

[Saekee]

Hello everyone,

A while back I made a thread about stacking movement speed effects, which ended up with me pretty much single-handedly screwing over every player in the game. (Chrono buff no longer works in quests - here's the old thread for reference: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/477587-What-speed-effects-stack)

Anyways, I'm back at it with the movement speed stuff. Based on my current knowledge, the fastest possible movement speed is the following:

18 Monk/2 Ranger

Move Speed:
Base - 100%
Enhancement - 50% Pendant (public only) / +40% Shadow Walk (quest)
VIP - 10% (public only)
Monk - 30% Monk Speed
Action Boost - 50% Sprint Boost

= 240% (public) / 220% (quest)

Anyone know of a build that can reach higher burst speeds?

Build name: The Cheetah

For me, I feel like a super-fast running toon should have a hatchet in their hand. Out of nowhere, they run up to a mob and thwack! thwack! thwack! Anyone remember that from Last of the Mohicans?

[Requiro]

For epics have faster sneaking enhancements and be in shadowdancer and use shadow training II in stealth. Also use PDK past life action boost..

This

Faster Sneaking: Rogue (+75%) and Ranger (+50%) - stacks.

[Saekee]

This

Faster Sneaking: Rogue (+75%) and Ranger (+50%) - stacks.

the +75% rogue faster sneaking seems to only give +50%. Faster sneaking stacking is WAI but not the SD insane sneak speed boost

[Tlorrd]

the +75% rogue faster sneaking seems to only give +50%. Faster sneaking stacking is WAI but not the SD insane sneak speed boost

So for rogue, should one take all three enhancements, or just two ...

Like is it +25%/+50%/+50% ... So there is no point in taking the third rank? Or does the third rank give the borked 50% only and the first two ranks are even worse than stated.

[unbongwah]

Is not more a 14 bard (or rogue)/ 4 ftr/ 2 barb? 14%+10%+10% (still having Sprint boost)?
The caveat is Sprint Boost and Swift Defense don't stack since they're the same bonus type. You also don't need barb 2 just for Sprint Boost since WC gets that. So you could do 15/4/1 instead for 35% base run speed.

Highest unboosted runspeed AFAIK is bard 19 / barb 1 w/tier-5 WC: 19% SB Fast Movement + 10% barb Fast Movement + 15% Expeditious Chant = 44%. Sprint Boost overrides Expeditious Chant so it becomes 19 + 10 + 50 = 79%, meaning monk 18 / rgr 2 would be 1% faster burst.

OTOH, fastest sneak build would be rog / monk / rgr: something like monk 15 / rog 3 / rgr 2 for 28% base run speed (monk + Acrobat) to start with and taking all three stealth speed bonuses (Ninja + Assassin + DWS).

EDIT: point being no single build is going to be best at all three, so decide if sustained, burst, or stealth run speed is most important.

[Saekee]

So for rogue, should one take all three enhancements, or just two ...

Like is it +25%/+50%/+50% ... So there is no point in taking the third rank? Or does the third rank give the borked 50% only and the first two ranks are even worse than stated.

I haven't tested that far. I will PM you later the link to the old thread on this stuff and add it here with an edit!

[FuryFlash]

I know this is a bit of a necro, but I wanted to post an update with the new fastest movement speed builds and this thread still has relevant information in it.


Unlike previously, there is now a build that has both the highest passive and burst movement speed:

14 Druid/5 Bard/1 Barbarian (or variants with different splits of bard/druid)

Base - 100%
Enhancement - 50% Pendant (public only) / +40% Shadow Walk (quest)
VIP - 10% (public only)
Druid - 24% Winter Wolf
Swashbuckler - 5% Fast Movement
Barbarian - 10% Fast Movement

Passive Move Speed:
Action Boost - 15% Expeditious Chant

= 214% (public) / 194% (quest)

Burst Move Speed:
Action Boost - 50% Sprint Boost

= 249% (public) / 229% (quest)


Notable runners up (hehe) are this much more playable Druid/Barbarian split and a pure Monk with 40% Falconry Sprint Boost.

18 Druid/2 Barbarian

Base - 100%
Enhancement - 50% Pendant (public only) / +40% Shadow Walk (quest)
VIP - 10% (public only)
Druid - 28% Winter Wolf
Barbarian - 10% Fast Movement

Passive Move Speed:

= 198% (public) / 178% (quest)

Burst Move Speed:
Action Boost - 50% Sprint Boost

= 248% (public) / 228% (quest)


Let me know if any of this doesn't stack (I haven't tested with Druid yet), or if you know of a faster build!

[J-mann]

I know this is a bit of a necro, but I wanted to post an update with the new fastest movement speed builds and this thread still has relevant information in it.


Unlike previously, there is now a build that has both the highest passive and burst movement speed:

14 Druid/5 Bard/1 Barbarian (or variants with different splits of bard/druid)

Base - 100%
Enhancement - 50% Pendant (public only) / +40% Shadow Walk (quest)
VIP - 10% (public only)
Druid - 24% Winter Wolf
Swashbuckler - 5% Fast Movement
Barbarian - 10% Fast Movement

Passive Move Speed:
Action Boost - 15% Expeditious Chant

= 214% (public) / 194% (quest)

Burst Move Speed:
Action Boost - 50% Sprint Boost

= 249% (public) / 229% (quest)


Notable runners up (hehe) are this much more playable Druid/Barbarian split and a pure Monk with 40% Falconry Sprint Boost.

18 Druid/2 Barbarian

Base - 100%
Enhancement - 50% Pendant (public only) / +40% Shadow Walk (quest)
VIP - 10% (public only)
Druid - 28% Winter Wolf
Barbarian - 10% Fast Movement

Passive Move Speed:

= 198% (public) / 178% (quest)

Burst Move Speed:
Action Boost - 50% Sprint Boost

= 248% (public) / 228% (quest)


Let me know if any of this doesn't stack (I haven't tested with Druid yet), or if you know of a faster build!

You missed snowslide from winter wolf which is a 50% bonus that stacks with sprint boosts. Not sure what all else it stacks with though (i think it might override your wolf runspeed boost).

[Faltout]

Hello everyone,

A while back I made a thread about stacking movement speed effects, which ended up with me pretty much single-handedly screwing over every player in the game. (Chrono buff no longer works in quests - here's the old thread for reference: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/477587-What-speed-effects-stack)
Shadowdancer's Shadow training II allows full movement speed while sneaking.
Assassin's Stealthy gives +75% movement speed when sneaking.
For some reason (bug), those stack and you end up with 175% speed. Add various other boosts (VIP, sprint boost, etc.) and you get the highest speed you can go. While sneaking no less.

If that ends up getting shadow training fixed, so be it... :P

[FuryFlash]

You missed snowslide from winter wolf which is a 50% bonus that stacks with sprint boosts. Not sure what all else it stacks with though (i think it might override your wolf runspeed boost).

IIRC, my testing on lamannia revealed snowslide to be an Action Boost bonus, meaning it didn't stack with sprint boosts. This was before the druid changes, so if you have tested this recently let me know. That would obviously push the 18/2 build far ahead on burst.

[FuryFlash]

Shadowdancer's Shadow training II allows full movement speed while sneaking.
Assassin's Stealthy gives +75% movement speed when sneaking.
For some reason (bug), those stack and you end up with 175% speed. Add various other boosts (VIP, sprint boost, etc.) and you get the highest speed you can go. While sneaking no less.

If that ends up getting shadow training fixed, so be it... :P

Very interesting. I use Shadow Training II on my main character, but I don't have faster sneaking trained. This actually allows you to move faster than your speed outside of stealth? :O

[Rykka]

Very interesting. I use Shadow Training II on my main character, but I don't have faster sneaking trained. This actually allows you to move faster than your speed outside of stealth? :O

Shad Train removes the slower base movement speed of sneaking and continues to allow Faster Sneaking to modify movement speed while sneaking.

[J-mann]

IIRC, my testing on lamannia revealed snowslide to be an Action Boost bonus, meaning it didn't stack with sprint boosts. This was before the druid changes, so if you have tested this recently let me know. That would obviously push the 18/2 build far ahead on burst.

All i know is that i was faster with snowslide + ralley cry than with jist s owslide. I have not performed any kind of formal testing.

[FuryFlash]

Shad Train removes the slower base movement speed of sneaking and continues to allow Faster Sneaking to modify movement speed while sneaking.

So it raises the base movement speed while sneaking to 100%, meaning that rogue Faster Sneaking then increases it to 175%... and we already know that different Faster Sneaking abilities stack - how does that interact with having a base sneak speed of 100%? Would it simply be additive, ie. 75% + 50% + 50% = 175% faster than normal, just from Faster Sneaking abilities? Then add onto that a high base movement speed as discussed in this thread...

If you wanted to exploit this ability to reach truly mind-boggling speeds, you would probably run: 15 Monk/3 Rogue/2 Ranger as mentioned already by Unbongwah in this thread. That gives 28% base run speed with a 50% action boost, along with (potentially, depending on stacking properties) 175% worth of faster sneaking. I wonder if you could reach speeds of phasing through some walls with all these buffs - typically you only see phasing with projectiles, but on a thin enough wall it could be possible. :P

[Epicstorms]

Get all that, then post a video, please :D

[unbongwah]

Shadowdancer's Shadow training II allows full movement speed while sneaking.

Shad Train removes the slower base movement speed of sneaking and continues to allow Faster Sneaking to modify movement speed while sneaking.
FYI, this was confirmed as bugged by Cordovan. IIRC, Shadow Training II is supposed to replace the sneak-speed bonuses from the class Enhancement trees (i.e., Assassin / Ninja / Deepwood Stalker), not stack with them. But it's been broken for a long time so who knows when / if it will be fixed? Enjoy it while you can, for tomorrow it may be nerfed! :cool:

[Flintridge]

OTOH, fastest sneak build would be rog / monk / rgr: something like monk 15 / rog 3 / rgr 2 for 28% base run speed (monk + Acrobat) to start with and taking all three stealth speed bonuses (Ninja + Assassin + DWS).
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Hi Unbongwah,

Could you do a build for this for a first lifer, I am interested in the speed and Monk/Rogue build, that would still be playable on at least Elite/Reaper 1. Any Race and Any class, what stats, feats and all that, whatever the best options would be for the speed and survival. Levels 1-20.

Thank you,

Flintridge

[SpartanKiller13]

OTOH, fastest sneak build would be rog / monk / rgr: something like monk 15 / rog 3 / rgr 2 for 28% base run speed (monk + Acrobat) to start with and taking all three stealth speed bonuses (Ninja + Assassin + DWS).Hi Unbonwash,

Could you do a build for this for a first lifer, I am interested in the speed and Monk/Rogue build, that would still be playable on at least Elite/Reaper 1. Any Race and Any class, what stats, feats and all that, whatever the best options would be for the speed and survival. Levels 1-20.


(Might be better off if ya spell his name properly; hint, it's written right next to the quote.)

The gimmick that allows stealth sprinting is an Epic Destiny, Shadowdancer (https://ddowiki.com/page/Shadowdancer) which is only available in epics (above level 20).

Here's probably where you want to post. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/117232-Request-a-Build-Get-a-Build)

Here's an 18/2 Monk/Rogue quarterstaff build, by Unbongwah. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/459818-Centered-Thief-Acrobat?p=5891727&viewfull=1#post5891727)

Here's a more recent 18/1/1 Monk/Rogue/Cleric quarterstaff build, by Vish (recommended by Unbongwah). (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/489384-The-Mad-Monk-a-Henshin-for-heroic)

Here's a thread about 18/1/1 or 18/2 Rogue builds, also including speed-run videos using the above burst sneak stuff. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/468752-Sneak-speed-bug-with-DWS-Faster-Sneaking-and-Assassin-Stealthy)

[Flintridge]

(Might be better off if ya spell his name properly; hint, it's written right next to the quote.)

The gimmick that allows stealth sprinting is an Epic Destiny, Shadowdancer (https://ddowiki.com/page/Shadowdancer) which is only available in epics (above level 20).

Hi SpartanKiller13,

Did not realize i spelled his name wrong. I fixed it, accidents happen. :( I did not see shadow dancer in his post there, just the enhancements. So the Ninja + Assassin + DWS he mentions only works if you also add in Shadow dancer tree?

thank you for the links as well i will look at them.

Thank you,

Flintridge

[C-Dog]

If all you're looking for is speed, you can toss a level of Barb in there for +5% more (you gain 10% from Barb, but lose 5% from Monk 18). However, losing the Monk 18 capstone may not be worth it if you're going on to Epic levels. Otoh, if you're just going to TR @ 20, you may want to aim for an 18-level build anyway, since you'll only be at 20 for a moment in the toon's life.

However, "the fastest" is no great improvement over "very, very fast" - they're all of a type at that point.

[FuryFlash]

Interesting to see this thread necro'd again, as I had recently been discussing high movement speed builds for my static group.

Looking back over the thread, I realize I had actually missed a build that has a higher burst speed than any others I mentioned:

EDIT: except it doesn't! Thanks for pointing out my error :D

18 Monk/2 Druid

Base - 100%
Enhancement - 50% Pendant (public only) / +40% Shadow Walk (quest)
VIP - 10% (public only)
Monk - 30% Fast Movement
Druid - 10% Wolf Form

Passive Move Speed:

= 200% (public) / 180% (quest)

Burst Move Speed:
Action Boost - 50% Snowslide this is wrong
Action Boost - 45% Sprint Boost

= 245% (public) / 225% (quest)

It's only 1% faster than the previous fastest mentioned, but given that the thread aims to find the absolute fastest, I figured I'd mention it! Nope! It's fast, but not the fastest :)

[RAFAR]

18 Monk/2 Druid

Burst Move Speed:
Action Boost - 50% Snowslide




I was expecting the falconry speed boost with this build... are you sure you can cast Snowslide with lvl2 druid?

[unbongwah]

Burst Move Speed:
Action Boost - 50% Snowslide

I was expecting the falconry speed boost with this build... are you sure you can cast Snowslide with lvl2 druid?
That was gonna be my question: curious how you cast a level 9 spell on a level 2 druid. ;)

[unbongwah]

Could you do a build for this for a first lifer, I am interested in the speed and Monk/Rogue build, that would still be playable on at least Elite/Reaper 1. Any Race and Any class, what stats, feats and all that, whatever the best options would be for the speed and survival. Levels 1-20.
Honestly, I didn't have a build in mind, it was purely hypothetical. I guess I would do it as a handwrap build? 34 Shintao / 27 Falconry / 8 DWS / 4 Assassin / 4 Ninja is 77 APs.

The gimmick that allows stealth sprinting is an Epic Destiny, Shadowdancer (https://ddowiki.com/page/Shadowdancer) which is only available in epics (above level 20).
The DWS, Ninja, and Assassin Stealthy movement speed bonuses stack and was confirmed as WAI. Not sure if they stack additively or multiplicatively, but you can have all three by level 4 if you're so inclined.

Shadow Training II stacking as well was confirmed as not WAI, but I don't recall seeing any mention of it being nerfed / bugfixed.

[FuryFlash]

I was expecting the falconry speed boost with this build... are you sure you can cast Snowslide with lvl2 druid?


That was gonna be my question: curious how you cast a level 9 spell on a level 2 druid. ;)

LOL! Good catch, guys. I had in my head 18 Druid/2 Monk when I wrote that for some reason :P

Makes sense why I didn't post that one originally then - it's 10% lower than I said. :)