+20 Lesser Heart or XP Stone for Warlocks

[GlassCannon]

Given that they git hit not with a nerf bat, not with a nerf truck, but with a boatload of psychosis and aggravated wickedness, my main will be stuck as a Warlock 13 because I was RTRing after coming back from a hiatus over a year or two long (I forget) and this change was sprung on me all of a sudden. I would have gone back to Rogue if I had gotten on the forums and seen this many people that belong on their way falling into the cauldron of a volcano for the good of society.
It looks like they got hit with the entire Nerf Factory building complex and you still want to hit them harder. What the unholy f*ck. I haven't seen this much evil against a specific class since Sorcerers got whacked 3 times in a row and nobody played them at all because of it. You went overboard. I don't want to see that again, especially with my main stuck in that class.

So, before you utterly nuke the living hell out of something, give me a way to at least save my main from your unholy wrath of developer angst. I really don't deserve to be treated this way. It's a game that I enjoy and that I play in memory of my late wife. I shouldn't have to struggle so much or get slammed with massive changes after I just finished the learning curve of missing 5 updates.

I know you're unreasonable. I've been here for a long time. I know for a fact that you're completely unreasonable. So just toss me an XP stone or Respect heart and I'll be ok.

[slarden]

Try it out first I suspect warlocks will be fine.

[Kylstrem]

Your "nerfed" warlock is still going to be more powerful and a bigger easy button than anything you would rebuild it into (especially if all you are concerned about is having a build that is so easy to play).

Play it after the nerf. If your bursting/blasting/aura easy button is still not good enough for you, just respec your enhancements to use the Soul Eater and get cone. You'll actually have to move around a bit a in combat and point your character in the general direction of what you want to hit, but again, you won't be able to do anything as easy on any other non-warlock build.

I'm sure you'll probably want SSG to give you the platinum it costs to respec your enhancements, based on your post though.

[Sweyn]

There's too many people with an entitlement mentality on these forums. News flash: you aren't entitled to squat. Quit whining.



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[Cableman]

I've not played an auralock in about a year, moved to cone. At your current level, moving to cone would only net you a loss of 2d6 eldritch blast dice and cone gets 130% spell power. It doesn't benefit from empower or maximize so you can swap out those feats and get necro, enchant or conjuration spell focus and use the rest of the tools in the warlock toolbox. I will probably continue to dip into enlightened spirit for the power of enlightenment for 30 light spell power and 12 universal spellpower, I'm not sure I will continue to grab spiritual retribution with the change down to 3d4.

[Chai]

There's too many people with an entitlement mentality on these forums. News flash: you aren't entitled to squat. Quit whining.

Does that include being entitled to nerfs. The whining wasnt all on one side of the issue. Its ironic for people to demand nerfs (whine) over an 18 month period of time and when they get what they asked for, then tell the other side to stop whining. :p

[Cantor]

If your main is on a warlock and you are worried about being stuck in it, I guess you are in heroics. If your main is in heroics on a warlock, I assume you are running ~R3, step down one skull and the nerf disappears. It is not a nerf truck, it's a nerf that only slows down the DPS and doesn't weaken what can be completed at all, only the speed you can roll over trash with.

[Kylstrem]

Does that include being entitled to nerfs. The whining wasnt all on one side of the issue. Its ironic for people to demand nerfs (whine) over an 18 month period of time and when they get what they asked for, then tell the other side to stop whining. :p

Yes, it does. Anyone coming on to these forums to scream "Nerf this" or "Nerf That" or "My build was nerfed" are all entitled whiners.

[Renvar]

The nerfs are much ado about nothing. Your warlock will be fine. It is a be premature to be demanding xp stones or +20 hearts before the update is even live and you have seen the in game impact. Most of the "OMG you broke warlocks" comments are coming from people who didn't even log on to lamannia and test the changes. They just saw "nerf" and issued Standard Response 32 - "NERF? How DARE you!!!!! You broke my build!!!!". Followed by Standard Response 33 - "I paid for this class and NOW you change it? Bait and switch. Call the FTC!!!"

[GlassCannon]

Your "nerfed" warlock is still going to be more powerful and a bigger easy button than anything you would rebuild it into (especially if all you are concerned about is having a build that is so easy to play).

Play it after the nerf. If your Eldritch Cone is still not good enough for you, just pretend that everything will one day be ok again. You'll actually have to stay out of combat and pike.

I'm baiting you with dishonor and treating you like a thief right now because I am not a good person.

Fixed for you there.

With a smidge of sarcasm at first and some blunt honesty with a hint tied to a brick in the last sentence.

They broke it, I should not have to pay for their mistake. That simple.

[GlassCannon]

Yes, it does. Anyone coming on to these forums to scream "Nerf this" or "Nerf That" or "My build was nerfed" are all entitled whiners.

Then you should not breathe the air. For that makes you an entitled whiner, that you should have the right to breathe.

Stop it. That is dishonorable.

[Sweyn]

Does that include being entitled to nerfs. The whining wasnt all on one side of the issue. Its ironic for people to demand nerfs (whine) over an 18 month period of time and when they get what they asked for, then tell the other side to stop whining. :p

Suggesting nerfs while providing reason, evidence, and data to back up your suggestion is not the same as whining about your main being less powerful. The former involves someone attempting to make a constructive change to the game while the latter involves someone crying because they can't zomgzerg to level cap.

[GlassCannon]

Suggesting nerfs while providing reason, evidence, and data to back up your suggestion is not the same as asking the Devs to let you respec out of the nerfstorm they created. The former involves someone attempting to make a constructive change to the game while the latter involves asking the ones changing the game to allow you to leave the area they are working on first.

Fixed.

Stop being an ass. You really do know how to treat people better, so do it.

[scipiojedi]

Do you know how many of my builds have been changed over the years just because I didn't play them for 2 years and then they changed the way things work? It's how the game goes, slog through 7 levels and TR like the rest of us.

I.E. I built an AA Bard/Barbarian/cleric because at one time skaldic rage stacked with barbarian rage. They changed that, and now I have to try and level my build from 7 to 20 - what do you do with an elf Bard/Barbarian/Cleric?

[GlassCannon]

Do you know how many of my builds have been changed over the years just because I didn't play them for 2 years and then they changed the way things work? It's how the game goes, slog through 7 levels and TR like the rest of us.

I.E. I built an AA Bard/Barbarian/cleric because at one time skaldic rage stacked with barbarian rage. They changed that, and now I have to try and level my build from 7 to 20 - what do you do with an elf Bard/Barbarian/Cleric?

The character I am concerned about is named after my late wife or I'd do what you would do with any such character - Abandon it for a while until opportune times to pike through content to cap.

I don't have that kind of time anymore. When I get on, I do so to relax, not to work at this nonsense. I don't want to be penalized due to pure circumstance. I'm sure I am not alone.

[Kylstrem]

Dammit. I'm ashamed for falling for "obvious troll is obvious" with OP.

OP is right about one thing... report button shouldn't need to be used that often.. but is definitely necessary for OP.

[guzzlr]

When I read the title I nodded to myself and thought, "Hmmm, that makes some sense, I can see that."

It seems to me that some builds may be messed up enough by the nerf and need to be fixed. Also, (this one actually bothers me more) the perception of the impact of some arbitrary, behind the scenes, spooky reverse inverse nerf to the power level of the bad guys fighting warlocks may actually create a feedback loop that keeps warlocks out of groups. Like many of the nerfs and buffs that the dev team does, this one may be too many hits at one time; why not make a change and then see the result over a large sample size?

However, trying to guilt people/devs into something just doesn't sit well with me. Putting together a reasonable and poignant argument for respec hearts would be much better in my opinion.

Also, rewriting others posts so they say what you want them to say doesn't help your case.

I guess I fall into the "lets check this out and see what happens" group. Although, I really LOVE +20 LR hearts, they are my favorites. ;)

[GlassCannon]

When I read the title I nodded to myself and thought, "Hmmm, that makes some sense, I can see that."

It seems to me that some builds may be messed up enough by the nerf and need to be fixed. Also, (this one actually bothers me more) the perception of the impact of some arbitrary, behind the scenes, spooky reverse inverse nerf to the power level of the bad guys fighting warlocks may actually create a feedback loop that keeps warlocks out of groups. Like many of the nerfs and buffs that the dev team does, this one may be too many hits at one time; why not make a change and then see the result over a large sample size?

1) However, trying to guilt people/devs into something just doesn't sit well with me. Putting together a reasonable and poignant argument for respec hearts would be much better in my opinion.

2) Also, rewriting others posts so they say what you want them to say doesn't help your case.

I guess I fall into the "lets check this out and see what happens" group. Although, I really LOVE +20 LR hearts, they are my favorites. ;)

I added numbers to address.

1) I'm not trying to guilt anyone. I just want to enjoy this game without undue and excessive struggle, especially when I am unaware of it until it is too late to do anything.
I'm not asking for a freebie either. I just want to get my character out of the "HULK SMASH!! DESTROY!!!" area of the game. That happens to be the entire Warlock class right now. If I had more advance warning I wouldn't need to make this forum post. Life happens. Since the developers are the ones doing all the destruction, they ought to be the ones to fund/finance the exodus of the characters of those adversely affected with no real opportunity to escape it.

2) I was correcting their incorrect perspective without being a complete ass about it or appearing confrontational. It's essentially pragmatically applied psychology. It's an effective way to combat trolling in that they see what they did wrong and what is actually right so they can fix their behavior along the way.

I am also a fan of "Let's do one thing at a time" implementation. Because science. It literally is the scientific method.

The dev team really did do too many things at once to negatively impact the class of the character that I hold as rather dear... for probably unhealthy emotional reasons. Being widowed is not easy.

[Sweyn]

Immediately I need some Troll Bane.

I shouldn't have to use the Report button with the first replies of a thread. It should be rarely used. Instead, the dishonorable wretches and dregs of society that do nothing but destroy good things and cause people grief and distress come out in droves, like parasites waiting to drink of the suffering of the innocent.

I'm upset that the world is in such a state at large but even more so because though I have come honorably and presented my case in brief, knowing that the dev team and I already have a mutual knowledge of what I refer to, I have been beset by the evil of wretched and vile beings.

Your OP came in with a large sense of entitlement. You twisted a game update into a personal attack by saying "I really don't deserve to be treated this way." You claim that people "belong on their way falling into the cauldron of a volcano". You used profanity. You claimed an update to be "evil". You demanded SSG to give you compensation because you deserve it. You claimed the developer team to be "completely unreasonable".

What kind of replies did you expect? In all sincerity, I am sorry about your late wife, I truly mean that. But, you can't post a thread that includes all the examples above, then get upset because someone is being an ass.

[GlassCannon]

Your OP came in with a large sense of justice. You appealed to the humanity of the Dev Team by saying "I really don't deserve to be treated this way." You claim that certain emotionally violent people "belong on their way falling into the cauldron of a volcano". You claimed a behavior to be "evil". You demanded SSG to give you compensation because they are the ones who owe it. You claimed the developer team to be "completely unreasonable" based on over a decade of prior experience.

What kind of replies did you expect? In all sincerity, I am going to be facetious to try to save face. But, you can't post a thread that includes all the examples above, then get upset because someone is deliberately being an ass.

That post was deleted as being the result of anguish from being trolled. It would be appreciated if you would delete the only existing copy of it: Yours.

Corrections in bold.

This post will disappear once the post it quotes does.

[Kylstrem]

I am also a fan of "Let's do one thing at a time" implementation. Because science. It literally is the scientific method.

The dev team really did do too many things at once to negatively impact the class of the character that I hold as rather dear... for probably unhealthy emotional reasons. Being widowed is not easy.
OP is a fan of the scientific method... which involves actually performing your own real-world testing/experimentation.

But instead of doing that, OP brings in emotional context about his dead wife, and jumps to conclusions about how his warlock character is completely useless now without even testing the new changes to see if they do indeed make his build useless.

Lots of hyperbole in every one of his posts, especially the first one. OP knows the term "scientific method" but apparently has no idea what it really means or how to actually use it himself.

High comedy indeed.

[Phoenicis]

That post was deleted as being the result of anguish from being trolled. It would be appreciated if you would delete the only existing copy of it: Yours.

Corrections in bold.

This post will disappear once the post it quotes does.

IMHO editing people's posts to match YOUR opinion is rude.

[GlassCannon]

IMHO editing people's posts to match YOUR opinion is rude.

You are entitled to your opinion.

It happens to be my way of correcting misconceptions, mis-perceptions and misunderstandings. It happens to be extremely effective.
As for what they said, you can click the link in the quote for the original.

It is in no way rude or disrespectful from my perspective.

[GlassCannon]

TOS Violation: Personal attack

I would appreciate it if you would stop your dishonorable behavior and behave humanely.

[Sweyn]

That post was deleted as being the result of anguish from being trolled. It would be appreciated if you would delete the only existing copy of it: Yours.

Corrections in bold.

This post will disappear once the post it quotes does.

What is it with you and editing posts? Are you that bad at formulating your own discussions that you result to changing other people's talking points? You aren't even making any sense. I have no idea what you're even talking about. Throwing a rant and demanding things is not the way to go about discussing your grievances. Use a little more tact in the OP next time and you might get the replies you're looking for.

[GlassCannon]

What is it with you and editing posts? Are you that bad at formulating your own discussions that you result to changing other people's talking points? (TOS Violation: Personal Attack) You aren't even making any sense. I have no idea what you're even talking about. Throwing a rant and demanding things is not the way to go about discussing your grievances. Use a little more tact in the OP next time and you might get the replies you're looking for.

I'm not looking for approval or replies. I am posting something on a forum that I expect folks to adhere to basic human ethics when posting on. If they have a reply to make, ok. If not, ok. Whether people reply or not is irrelevant.

As for you also quoting a post that is intended to be deleted, you create offense where there would otherwise be none.

I have things to do today. You folks can do whatever with the rest of this thread but I will call you out on TOS violations and report your posts if you behave dishonorably.

[Chai]

The nerfs are much ado about nothing. Your warlock will be fine. It is a be premature to be demanding xp stones or +20 hearts before the update is even live and you have seen the in game impact. Most of the "OMG you broke warlocks" comments are coming from people who didn't even log on to lamannia and test the changes. They just saw "nerf" and issued Standard Response 32 - "NERF? How DARE you!!!!! You broke my build!!!!". Followed by Standard Response 33 - "I paid for this class and NOW you change it? Bait and switch. Call the FTC!!!"

If that was the case thered be no reason to ask for nerfs as repeatedly as some in this community have - which is ~1.8x the amount asked for in the PvP game with the highest nerf demands over 18 months of time now.

[Karadon_II]

I'm sorry for your loss sir, but I hope you understand the issue that people have with your tone.

I think we can assume that people with Warlocks will not be getting any free character respec or XP option based on the fact that class adjustments have happened per class before without them being handed out. The only time I recall this being done was the Enhancement pass as it was a fundamental change to all classes and all builds, whereas the changes to Warlock are simply seen as balance changes to prevent the perception of an overpowered class and especially from sailing effortlessly though solo Reaper like a hot knife through butter.

Let us not look at what won't happen and less look at the possibilities available to you.

1. Purchase a Heart or an Otto's Box once they're available in the DDO Store
2. Multiclass. Not an option I would take, but this is DDO and anything is available to you.
3. Continue to play as you were playing. I would chose this, because the changes will actually not be significant enough to the class overall.

Good luck and have fun

[Kylstrem]

I would appreciate it if you would stop your dishonorable behavior and behave humanely. TOS violation Personal attack



See, I can do that, too. Please stop personally attacking my behavior.

Again, credit to you for the troll post. Cordovan must be busy to not have locked this thread yet.

[scipiojedi]

I'm sorry for your loss sir, but I hope you understand the issue that people have with your tone.

I think we can assume that people with Warlocks will not be getting any free character respec or XP option based on the fact that class adjustments have happened per class before without them being handed out. The only time I recall this being done was the Enhancement pass as it was a fundamental change to all classes and all builds, whereas the changes to Warlock are simply seen as balance changes to prevent the perception of an overpowered class and especially from sailing effortlessly though solo Reaper like a hot knife through butter.

Let us not look at what won't happen and less look at the possibilities available to you.

1. Purchase a Heart or an Otto's Box once they're available in the DDO Store
2. Multiclass. Not an option I would take, but this is DDO and anything is available to you.
3. Continue to play as you were playing. I would chose this, because the changes will actually not be significant enough to the class overall.

Good luck and have fun
4. Give your account info to someone and they will level to 20 for you

[Qezuzu]

"I have literally not logged on yet to experience these nerfs but I know my character is ruined and completely gimped so please make it easy for me by giving me a free +20 heart."

newsflash Warlock will be just as easy to use as ever. You just won't be able to kill stuff as fast.

[Impaqt]

Just play your warlock. its only "slightly less easy" to get to 20 for your next TR.

Its still the easiest class in the game to level. If you would just go play the toon for a bit instead of asking for unreasonable things on the forums, you would see that.

[Renvar]

If that was the case thered be no reason to ask for nerfs as repeatedly as some in this community have - which is ~1.8x the amount asked for in the PvP game with the highest nerf demands over 18 months of time now.

Warlocks should be nerfed. Don't confuse nerfs that are ineffective with nerfs not being necessary.

I just don't think modifying their heroic DPS and making the epic feats mandatory to make up the DPS difference in epics was the best way to fix the class. Most importantly because I don't think it moves the needle on the heroic issues with Warlocks. I just creates a different issue in Epics, where blast DPS was not overpowered.

[Kylstrem]

Ran the Third Time's a Charm quest on Elite (level 17) on my level 13 "cone lock". Completed easily with no fear of death any time in the quest. (didn't run it on Reaper 1 because with 34 reaper points, Reaper 1 is actually easier for me now than Elite).

All the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this "massive nerf... biggest nerf to any class in the history of DDO" was essentially the crying of little, spoiled kids who are very ignorant of their "favorite" class.

[Sweyn]

Ran the Third Time's a Charm quest on Elite (level 17) on my level 13 "cone lock". Completed easily with no fear of death any time in the quest. (didn't run it on Reaper 1 because with 34 reaper points, Reaper 1 is actually easier for me now than Elite).

All the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this "massive nerf... biggest nerf to any class in the history of DDO" was essentially the crying of little, spoiled kids who are very ignorant of their "favorite" class.

So does that mean that we all don't get free +2 Lesser Hearts and XP stones for free? But.. but... but... I deserve it!

[Pnumbra]

There's too many people with an entitlement mentality on these forums. News flash: you aren't entitled to squat. Quit whining.



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New flash, neither are yo, so ignore the whining until it's your class that get nerfed 4x. If we pay for something, we expect to get the product we paid for. If I buy an Audi, don't play psych and hand me the keys to a Ford Pinto. pfft.

[Qezuzu]

New flash, neither are yo, so ignore the whining until it's your class that get nerfed 4x. If we pay for something, we expect to get the product we paid for. If I buy an Audi, don't play psych and hand me the keys to a Ford Pinto. pfft.

You paid for an easy button, soloing, TR grinding machine. You still have one.

[Chai]

Warlocks should be nerfed. Don't confuse nerfs that are ineffective with nerfs not being necessary.

In the context of DDO they are one and the same so far. If Im wrong, feel free to name a nerf that solved the balance issue. Heck, feel free to name a time frame when nerfing solved the balance issue. What I am seeing is the game is far more imbalanced in the current meta than it has ever been. Some of that is the direct result of previous nerfs which were demanded in the name of class balance.


I just don't think modifying their heroic DPS and making the epic feats mandatory to make up the DPS difference in epics was the best way to fix the class. Most importantly because I don't think it moves the needle on the heroic issues with Warlocks. I just creates a different issue in Epics, where blast DPS was not overpowered.

Blast DPS was OP in a band of levels, something like 6 or 7 through like 16 or so, levels no one gave a rip about balancing in until the current "must-grind-heroics" meta kicked in. Now all of a sudden we care alot about it.

The issue with this is theres no real way to balance classes against each other in content some people played through hundreds of times while others played a few times, most of which was designed 8-11 years ago. To do this, youd have to nerf the players themselves, not the classes.

[Andu_Indorin]

Does that include being entitled to nerfs. The whining wasnt all on one side of the issue. Its ironic for people to demand nerfs (whine) over an 18 month period of time and when they get what they asked for, then tell the other side to stop whining. :p

Quite! And the self-indulgent picture! I'm really finding it hard to resist responding to that ...

[Miahoo]

I should stop fixing others' posts.

And I should Stop being an ass.

Fixed :D

[Jasparion]

In the context of DDO they are one and the same so far. If Im wrong, feel free to name a nerf that solved the balance issue. Heck, feel free to name a time frame when nerfing solved the balance issue. What I am seeing is the game is far more imbalanced in the current meta than it has ever been. Some of that is the direct result of previous nerfs which were demanded in the name of class balance.



Blast DPS was OP in a band of levels, something like 6 or 7 through like 16 or so, levels no one gave a rip about balancing in until the current "must-grind-heroics" meta kicked in. Now all of a sudden we care alot about it.

The issue with this is theres no real way to balance classes against each other in content some people played through hundreds of times while others played a few times, most of which was designed 8-11 years ago. To do this, youd have to nerf the players themselves, not the classes.

Classes dont need to be balanced. They just need to be in the same ballpark. And Warlocks were way out of the ballpark. Even after the nerfs they are still way out of the ballpark but at least now you have to work for your DPS. No more auto-run and mashing 1 button.

My main is now a level 1 Warlock. I look forward to the weekend when I can try it out. I will be sure to report back often to let people know how affected I am.

[Thrudh]

I know for a fact that you're completely unreasonable.

I wonder if insulting the devs in your very first post in this thread will work.

[Thrudh]

"I have literally not logged on yet to experience these nerfs but I know my character is ruined and completely gimped"

This. So silly.

[jrhuff]

I don't post much, but I am unhappy with the change. I just want new content and the powers that be to stop changing the systems. I feel useless now as a warlock. Before I felt I could contribute, but now like so many puggers I have to rely on my husband carrying me through the content.

I am going to try some of the suggestions in this thread, but overall I am with the OP in my general feelings towards the nerf. This game has always been one of my sources of enjoyment, but the nerf has taken the fun out of the warlock class for me. But hey, I guess Artificer just got a boost in power I guess I will play that class next life, until it gets several nerfs in a row.

[PermaBanned]

If they had "stealth nerfed" these changes in instead of announcing them ahead of time, how long would folks have taken to notice they're fun was ruined?

[Jasparion]

I don't post much, but I am unhappy with the change. I just want new content and the powers that be to stop changing the systems. I feel useless now as a warlock. Before I felt I could contribute, but now like so many puggers I have to rely on my husband carrying me through the content.

Going out on a limb here, but Im going to suggest that the main issue you are experiencing is not in the slightest bit related to the class you have chosen to play.

[jrhuff]

... Soul Eater and get cone. ...

Hey OP do this, the +130% off sets the damage reduction just fine. I am back to my normal self. Thanks Kylstrem.

I am still not happy with them constantly fiddling with the systems though.

[CaptainPurge]

I demand the 8630 platinum to reset my ES enhancements. I will allow 24 hours for the devs to pay it back to me. After that, who wants my stuff?

[sirgog]

Warlocks remain solid.

Just tested mine and had no issues soloing ADQ2 on heroic elite at level 14, which is no great achievement but I have been mostly away from the game since Shadowfell.

Couldn't solo Reaper 1 Reaver's Fate but that's fine with me.

[Miahoo]

If they had "stealth nerfed" these changes in instead of announcing them ahead of time, how long would folks have taken to notice they're fun was ruined?

What if they just wrote it without actually changing the numbers.
And we'll see next patch something like: "A bug fixed to actually change warlock dice for U36".

[PermaBanned]

What if they just wrote it without actually changing the numbers.
And we'll see next patch something like: "A bug fixed to actually change warlock dice for U36".
Ha! That would be awesome! Could even spark a whole new term: the "placebo nerf" - for when you're told you're nerfed, so you complain about how the nerf has made your build garbage... and then find out a week later you were never actually nerfed.

Devs: at least one of you must be mischevious & evil enough to do this, pleeeeaaaassse? Even just once?

[Miahoo]

Ha! That would be awesome! Could even spark a whole new term: the "placebo nerf" - for when you're told you're nerfed, so you complain about how the nerf has made your build garbage... and then find out a week later you were never actually nerfed.

Devs: at least one of you must be mischevious & evil enough to do this, pleeeeaaaassse? Even just once?

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