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Bluenoser
06-06-2017, 02:33 AM
Made my first fighter-monk this life, and was expecting keen edge (tier 5) to boost the crit range of my handwraps since I took martial arts for my weapon focus. Nothing in the tool tip or wiki to suggest otherwise, so imagine my disappointment! Vanilla wraps + improved critical bludgeoning + keen edge should crit on 18-20, but testing on the training dummy shows only 19-20. When I switched to a regular quarterstaff, it did show the expected range of 18-20.

My first thought was "ok, I guess wraps aren't technically weapons," except that EVERYTHING ELSE in the kensei tree that uses the word "weapon" works with wraps--that includes the 3rd core of kensei (+1 crit multiplier) and Strike at the Heart (improved destruction effect). It's also pretty odd to have a kensei focus group for "martial arts" and then exclude wraps--the icon for it is a set of HANDS, for pete's sake--and the tool tip explicitly says the martial arts group includes 'handwraps' and 'unarmed'. (NOTE: even actually being unarmed, no wraps, still has same problem.)

So, this seems like a pretty major bug, but hasn't been flagged as one in wiki or the official known issues thread (which doesn't appear to have been updated anyway since U31 in May 2016: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/150534-Official-Known-Issues). Is this just me?

Avocado
06-07-2017, 03:20 AM
Vanilla wraps + improved critical bludgeoning + keen edge should crit on 18-20, but testing on the training dummy shows only 19-20. When I switched to a regular quarterstaff, it did show the expected range of 18-20.


Saw this in the dev fix post and came to investigate. If the quoted text is correct then did you mistakenly take the kensei focus enhancements for quarterstaves instead of martial arts ones? Both enhancement lines require weapon focus bludgeon feats but the clubs and maces (also q-staves) enhancements dont have handwraps/unarmed as a focus weapon where as the specific martial focus enhancements do. Quaterstaves wont crit on an 18 unless you have 1. you have LD enhacement: Pulverizer 2. have a keen edge with q-staves as a focus weapon.

Bluenoser
06-19-2017, 12:19 AM
no, i took the martial arts one. That includes qstaff, unarmed, and wraps.