What slot for a torc?

[Kaisheng21]

Found here. (http://ddocrafting.info/hgs/Helm/42/35/133/33/9/) Going to be doing a lot of TRing, what slot might be good?

EDIT: lol, always get torc and conc. op. mixed up.

[J1NG]

Torc will only ever go into the Necklace slot. No two ways about it.

Con-Op (Concordant Opposition) items however, I personally favour the goggles slot. As there's not a lot of gear that often goes into there for caster types. And for melee, you won't be using it anyway. So that's why I place my Con-Op there.

J1NG

[Connman]

I have to disagree on the goggles slot for con-op. I have been using a lot of Spell focus (level 10-16), insightful spell focus (10-22), insightful spell pen (10-22) goggles lately. Made from the new CC. I make it at level 10 and roll it all the way to 20.

http://ccplanner.byethost14.com/?i=1.

[Cantor]

I have to disagree on the goggles slot for con-op. I have been using a lot of Spell focus (level 10-16), insightful spell focus (10-22), insightful spell pen (10-22) goggles lately. Made from the new CC. I make it at level 10 and roll it all the way to 20.

http://ccplanner.byethost14.com/?i=1.

Agree, I was going to point out the same thing. Helm is also out and cloak for stats. I'm leaning toward boots.

[Kaisheng21]

Butbutbut... speed 30% + ff boots...

[SirValentine]

Butbutbut... speed 30% + ff boots...

Ideally, you put 30% striding on your Quiver slot.

[Kaisheng21]

Huh. You can get augment slots on your quiver?

[SerPounce]

Huh. You can get augment slots on your quiver?

http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Quiver_of_Alacrity

Everyone who was playing during the 10 year anniversary got one free. Can wear from lvl 1 on. It's all but impossible to obtain in the game now (it's rare raid loot from a raid that is very rarely run and impractical to solo).

All part of the system to make sure no one ever catches up.

[Lynnabel]

http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Quiver_of_Alacrity

Everyone who was playing during the 10 year anniversary got one free. Can wear from lvl 1 on. It's all but impossible to obtain in the game now.

I actually pulled mine from Abbot myself* around two months ago. It was intensely satisfying. There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, and fighting the Abbot remains one of my favorite experiences in DDO to date. I know there are some groups on some servers that run it every few days with the same group, too, so ask around and maybe set up a rotation if you find other people hunting the same loot. If you ever get the chance to step inside Ascension Chamber, do it - it's one of the best raids in the game.

*A friend passed it to me after 14 long runs, but still, same thing :P

[vryxnr]

...

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, ...

*very deep breath in*

YAAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!!

:D

[Enerdhil]

There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber

Don't forget about SoS. ;P

[Lynnabel]

Don't forget about SoS. ;P

I would love to forget about SoS.

[J1NG]

Well, my personal preference for the goggles, is because I built them back in 09, and have kept them ever since in that slot, as there has never been anything more useful in that slot until more recently. I also run in family group runs through TRs (also, since 09), which means we plow through things, so DC was never really something we considered much about. Old habbits die hard I guess. Forgot to mention that this was my style of play for it (which is basically more than a couple of years out of date in terms of efficiency :p )

@Lynnabel

I like the sound of that, will certainly get more people at least flagging and then more easily joining in on old Abbot runs.

Quick bug check throw: Can you have a look at the Devour the Soul SLA for Warlocks? Why is it functioning as a Conjuration spell that increases DC via Necromancy boosts? Never quite understood that.

J1NG

[LeoLionxxx]

*SNIP*

There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.


YES YES PLEASE YES PLEASE PLEASE YES PLEASE.

The fact that you use up the sigil is the main reason I've never run the raid.

IMO, requiring players to collect and trade the sigil pieces is okay as a rewarding flagging mechanic if the sigil is then made permanent.

[CThruTheEgo]

There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around

And there was much rejoicing.


I would love to forget about SoS.

I was really beginning to like you. :p

That quest is awesome, but the flagging is the most ridiculous of them all because you have to re-flag every single time you want to run it. Please don't forget about this one.

[LrdSlvrhnd]

I actually pulled mine from Abbot myself* around two months ago. It was intensely satisfying. There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, and fighting the Abbot remains one of my favorite experiences in DDO to date. I know there are some groups on some servers that run it every few days with the same group, too, so ask around and maybe set up a rotation if you find other people hunting the same loot. If you ever get the chance to step inside Ascension Chamber, do it - it's one of the best raids in the game.

*A friend passed it to me after 14 long runs, but still, same thing :P

While getting rid of the sigil is awesomesauce (especially considering I farmed up a sigil in preparation for my next life when I was about to TR, and accidentally turned it in...) I think part of the problem is also having to run Litany 4 times to flag. That's just ridiculous. Much better would be making it longer and, instead of porting out to the wildy to collect the whatever at the end, collecting the whatever at the end of each section and then getting ported back to the start to run the next side. And once you have all four, you get sent back to the start one final time, talk to the dragon one final time, and *that's* when the quest ends, and you're flagged for Abbot.

[TDarkchylde]

While getting rid of the sigil is awesomesauce (especially considering I farmed up a sigil in preparation for my next life when I was about to TR, and accidentally turned it in...) I think part of the problem is also having to run Litany 4 times to flag. That's just ridiculous. Much better would be making it longer and, instead of porting out to the wildy to collect the whatever at the end, collecting the whatever at the end of each section and then getting ported back to the start to run the next side. And once you have all four, you get sent back to the start one final time, talk to the dragon one final time, and *that's* when the quest ends, and you're flagged for Abbot.

Honestly, I could deal with one or the other - collect the sigil OR run Litany 4x with bosses. Most lives I don't even bother to flag, despite there being weekly guild runs of Abbot, simply because the flagging is way too onerous for a no-longer-endgame raid.

I do like the idea of making Litany self-contained so one only has to run it once, but still get all four bosses. But at this rate, I worry about spaghetti code being a huge impediment. It may simply not be doable this far along.

As to OP, if I'm not bothering with DCs on my Conc-Opp user, goggles it is. If I am, then boots. Striding can be crafted onto a ring or put onto an augment, even if it's a bit harder to get than some of the other "staple" yellow augments.

[Ebondevil]

I actually pulled mine from Abbot myself* around two months ago. It was intensely satisfying. There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, and fighting the Abbot remains one of my favorite experiences in DDO to date. I know there are some groups on some servers that run it every few days with the same group, too, so ask around and maybe set up a rotation if you find other people hunting the same loot. If you ever get the chance to step inside Ascension Chamber, do it - it's one of the best raids in the game.

*A friend passed it to me after 14 long runs, but still, same thing :P

I think I finally collected a complete Sigil on my Main Characters 6th Life, probably be a few more until my Alt gets one, he's a few lives behind.

I thought once you got the Sigil that was it, now I have no intention of even stepping foot inside it if my Sigil's going to vanish...

I think I'd rather Wedgie the Lady of Pain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_of_Pain)

[Saekee]

so did Lynnabel derail? hah

[NytCrawlr]

I would love to forget about SoS.

Not to get political, but I'm with her.

[Gargoyle69]

There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, and fighting the Abbot remains one of my favorite experiences in DDO to date. I know there are some groups on some servers that run it every few days with the same group, too, so ask around and maybe set up a rotation if you find other people hunting the same loot. If you ever get the chance to step inside Ascension Chamber, do it - it's one of the best raids in the game.

OMG OMG OMG, I would love this !!

[Jasparion]

I actually pulled mine from Abbot myself* around two months ago. It was intensely satisfying. There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, and fighting the Abbot remains one of my favorite experiences in DDO to date. I know there are some groups on some servers that run it every few days with the same group, too, so ask around and maybe set up a rotation if you find other people hunting the same loot. If you ever get the chance to step inside Ascension Chamber, do it - it's one of the best raids in the game.

*A friend passed it to me after 14 long runs, but still, same thing :P

To the OP: I use Con Op goggles for spell casters, Tharne's Goggles for Rogue types, random stuff for melee / ranged. My boots are SP GS for spell casters, random stuff for everyone else. That said, I havent done any new crafting, so I may not be the best one to listen to - if you craft a lot.

To Lynnabel: there is a simple way to get people to run old content. Make the XP better and/or make the loot better. At the moment, plenty of old content gets run a lot - the content with good XP and/or good loot. Other old content will be run simply because first time Reaper bonus makes the XP for 1-and-done levelling work well.

[sirgog]

Joining in the derail here.

I'd like to see Litany's flagging changed to just be 'complete each prequest, once'.

Then leave the Ascension Chamber as is.

There's 4 difficulties (not counting Casual) so you can get a first time bonus on each run. And there's a very clear easy to hard progression in the bosses (do the Vampire on your Reaper run, the Cinderspawn on your Elite run, Mentau on your Hard, and Cholthuzz on your Normal).

Flagging for Abbott actually works really well, once you remove the sigil requirement.

It's no loss at all if characters lose their current status of being Litany flagged in the reworking. Litany flagging under this system would be something you'd probably do for XP.

[Wizza]

I was really beginning to like you. :p

That quest is awesome, but the flagging is the most ridiculous of them all because you have to re-flag every single time you want to run it. Please don't forget about this one.

I would be happy if they made those quests epic, with the addition of another quest, with some great loot and XP. They are one of my favorites.

[scipiojedi]

Joining in the derail here.

I'd like to see Litany's flagging changed to just be 'complete each prequest, once'.

Then leave the Ascension Chamber as is.

There's 4 difficulties (not counting Casual) so you can get a first time bonus on each run. And there's a very clear easy to hard progression in the bosses (do the Vampire on your Reaper run, the Cinderspawn on your Elite run, Mentau on your Hard, and Cholthuzz on your Normal).

Flagging for Abbott actually works really well, once you remove the sigil requirement.

It's no loss at all if characters lose their current status of being Litany flagged in the reworking. Litany flagging under this system would be something you'd probably do for XP.

Actually Litany should be more of a raid, where you split the party up and have to kill each boss at the same time. So minimum of 4 to complete, or with a full raid group send 3 off to each boss.

[CThruTheEgo]

I would be happy if they made those quests epic, with the addition of another quest, with some great loot and XP. They are one of my favorites.

/signed.

I'd love to see an upgraded version of dragontouched armor, either updating the heroic to match today's loot power or an epic version, or both.

[ArgentMage]

There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life.

So, here's a trivial thing you could do right now to take 75% of the pain out of Abbott flagging:
When turning in the Sigil Frame to Sir Rohine, simply don't decrement the number of sigil pieces in the frame.
That way, once you've finished it once, you can just turn it in each life, run Litany the 4 times (which is
decent XP anyway), and move on to the raid.

[Niminae]

Found here. (http://ddocrafting.info/hgs/Helm/42/35/133/33/9/) Going to be doing a lot of TRing, what slot might be good?

EDIT: lol, always get torc and conc. op. mixed up.

The Torc goes on the neck, so don't make the same mistake I did and craft your first GS ConOp item there... It was handy, until I got a Torc. And after that it hasn't seen much use. For any caster the helm slot is pretty much permanently claimed by the Pansophic Circlet, so the helm slot is also out.

Both Intelligence and Wisdom can be crafted on Goggles, and I put those stats there for my characters who use them. So the GS ConOp item cannot go there for those characters. Boots seems like your best option there, especially if you can cast FOM.

Charisma cannot be placed on goggles for some silly reason (at least for me the eyes are what attracts me first to people) and so for Cha based characters the goggles slot is a great place for the GS ConOp item.

My casters typically have a weapon slot that isn't doing much good (I tend to use Cannith Challenge items for spell power and crit rather than a weapon) so having a simple weapon like a club as a ConOp item is a good option.

The Gear Master (http://ccplanner.byethost14.com/gear_master.html) portion of the CC planner (http://ccplanner.byethost14.com/?i=2) is a very helpful utility. I use it frequently when planning out my crafting in order to see what effects I can put where, instead of using the main page and selecting an item and having to scroll through the drop down lists to see what effects I can place on a particular item.

[chipotle47]

I actually pulled mine from Abbot myself* around two months ago. It was intensely satisfying. There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, and fighting the Abbot remains one of my favorite experiences in DDO to date. I know there are some groups on some servers that run it every few days with the same group, too, so ask around and maybe set up a rotation if you find other people hunting the same loot. If you ever get the chance to step inside Ascension Chamber, do it - it's one of the best raids in the game.

*A friend passed it to me after 14 long runs, but still, same thing :P

This is still to date my favorite raid in the game. I'll never forget the adrenaline the first time someone led me across tiles. Nor the adrenaline of leading someone else. It is exhilarating. And the loot remains as some of the best any-class loot for it's ML that you can get. It requires teamwork and skill that is by a large degree, independent of character level, gear or build. That is what makes it so awesome and still fun today. I'm still trying to run it when I can on my ranged toon for the bow.

[JOTMON]

I actually pulled mine from Abbot myself* around two months ago. It was intensely satisfying. There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, and fighting the Abbot remains one of my favorite experiences in DDO to date. I know there are some groups on some servers that run it every few days with the same group, too, so ask around and maybe set up a rotation if you find other people hunting the same loot. If you ever get the chance to step inside Ascension Chamber, do it - it's one of the best raids in the game.

*A friend passed it to me after 14 long runs, but still, same thing :P


The sigil is a good mechanic.
You have to do it at least once to get your sigil, once you have it you are good to go.
Like the Titan sigil, repair and go..


The MOD raid is much easier than the heroic Ascension chamber raid in my opinion.
Generally I found Ascension chamber Tiles takes 3xlonger than ice/astroids (without using alternative cheese tactics that I wont get into)..
would like to see a lever added to each side of tiles on the finish side..
once one person is across they can pull the lever which lights up the tiles on that side.
This allows the remaining people to cross the tile side themselves as if they were wearing the goggles.

[JOTMON]

I would be happy if they made those quests epic, with the addition of another quest, with some great loot and XP. They are one of my favorites.

Epic/Legendary versions of all the old raid packs would be great...

Would have loved to have seen something like...
(swap Mythic for Legendary.. but basically Level 34+ content..)
Requires flagging and finishing all the existing Raids at Legendary difficulty to flag another raid.


Mythic level content would be interesting..
Expand the story line and have Erandis Vol go around to all the previous house raids (except shroud) enticing the help of all the old defeated bosses as she tries to unlock her own Mark of Death.
Thus adding a Mythic level raid for all pre-existing Eberron Epic raids.

Mythic Von
Mythic Titan
Mythic DQ
Mythic MA/LOB
Mythic VOD
Mythic Hound
Mythic Chronosphere
Mythic TOD
Mythic Tempest Spine
Mythic FoT

after using all the raids as a flagging mechanism to bring it all back around for a final fight against Erandis Vol in a Mythic Litany raid after realizing she was just using you to entrap the souls of all these previous bosses to help her unlock her Mark.
Shards obtained from each of these Mythic raids unlock the final fight against Erandis Vol.. you now realize these boss shards were parts of her scattered philactary.
You now have what you need to defeat her or have you just brought her what she needs to free herself...

Lots of interesting upgrades of Epic loot to Mythic levels... existing templates are already in place for the Epic loot..
opens up opportunities to bring all these Epic goodies up to Mythic endgame standards with augment slots and still retain the Epic level content as it currently exists.




modify the guards and conc-op items to covnvert what would have been an incoming hit into sp/hp.. instead of taking damage..
that way they would be useful instead of the current high level mechanic of.. incoming 2khp damage.. proc 10sp.. ding.. wait for death timer to clear so you can be rezzed....

[mr420247]

Con op i put on my cloak but haven't used or needed it in a very long time

Gogs usually max sp cha skills with haste cliky mid level swap out high level for dc gogs max necro

Boots devil commanders are nice or maybe slave lords if u need a set

[Enoach]

For a long time I enjoyed the Con-Op in the Helmet Slot - However, it is also good as an Off-Hand weapon.

Now I would like to make this point about both Torc and Con-Op. While it can restore Spell Points (and Temp HP for Con-Op) it is actually best used by builds that tend to take more hits either because they can heal through it or the damage is significantly reduced.

Basically a melee type that uses Spell Points. I have actually found my Paladin gets far more mileage out these restorative pieces of equipment then my Archer, Wizard and Cleric (even though it is melee). I attribute this because when I play my paladin I'm actually working to get all the attention of the mobs, while the others will either be dodging or using abilities that reduce the mobs ability to hit back.

[LrdSlvrhnd]

Charisma cannot be placed on goggles for some silly reason (at least for me the eyes are what attracts me first to people) and so for Cha based characters the goggles slot is a great place for the GS ConOp item.

Well, this makes complete sense, because the goggles are covering the eyes! *g*


Basically a melee type that uses Spell Points. I have actually found my Paladin gets far more mileage out these restorative pieces of equipment then my Archer, Wizard and Cleric (even though it is melee). I attribute this because when I play my paladin I'm actually working to get all the attention of the mobs, while the others will either be dodging or using abilities that reduce the mobs ability to hit back.

...or simply making sure that others get the aggro first, which is my preferred tactic *g*

[FlameDiablo]

Torc is more than enought for mana.
Anyway, craftable items go in free slot/s, and free slot/s depends by your build, so there isn't a unique reply to your question.

[Connman]

... I have actually found my Paladin gets far more mileage out these restorative pieces of equipment then my Archer, Wizard and Cleric (even though it is melee)...

Me: "Don't kill that archer"

Them: "Why? We aren't on the way to VOD"

Me: "Because, I'm, SHRINING!"

[PermaBanned]

/signed.

I'd love to see an upgraded version of dragontouched armor, either updating the heroic to match today's loot power or an epic version, or both.With bonus points for remembering to include Shields this time around. Would be nice to have some customization options there outside of Canith Crafting (ok, and LoB Alchemical crafting if we're still including that as an option).


Charisma cannot be placed on goggles for some silly reason (at least for me the eyes are what attracts me first to people)...Charisma is Personality. The seventh stat of Comeliness (aka "looks" or physical attractiveness) was both introduced and abandoned in Unearthed Arcana.

[peterzenn]

I actually pulled mine from Abbot myself* around two months ago. It was intensely satisfying. There was a discussion in the office earlier today about tweaking the flagging mechanic of Ascension Chamber to something similar to the Titan Raid, where you just need to hold on to the full sigil forever - rather than collecting 8 new sigil parts per life. The Sigil itself would just be granted by the NPC once you run all the quests, and as long as you have one on you, you can skip doing Necro 4 and just hop right into Litany itself.

Revisiting old, amazing content like that is something I think we're more interested in now that we have some more room to play around, and fighting the Abbot remains one of my favorite experiences in DDO to date. I know there are some groups on some servers that run it every few days with the same group, too, so ask around and maybe set up a rotation if you find other people hunting the same loot. If you ever get the chance to step inside Ascension Chamber, do it - it's one of the best raids in the game.

*A friend passed it to me after 14 long runs, but still, same thing :P

OK. Now I know you guys do not actually play the game. Most ppl farm necro 4 quests for xp and sigils, and most of us pile up more than 1 pack of sigils/life. So we can skip the necro 4 quests already if we want, and just do litany with a full set.

Instead, the problem is: you have to run litany 4 times, and getting the sigils is a pain since: farming. Tho I am good at litany solo, most guests in my party tend to do silly stuff that make every run longer (so nowdays i prefer soloing litany, which means newbies cannot get flagged, which means no raid, simple logic here and there.)

If you wanna make it like titan... Well, make it 4 sigils only, and they always drop. Also: litany should be like GH TOR (new updated one): you no longer need to beat mentau and the other bosses to be flagged for abby.

But then again: should we always flag for TOD? Or LOB/MA raids?

I think the key would be a long-suggested solution: keep raid completions upon HTR/ITR/RTR, and also introduce raid sigils to every raid: allowing you to complete 1/ entire toon career.

Oh and add a farshifter to sands of menechtarun for real. :D

[Cantor]

For a long time I enjoyed the Con-Op in the Helmet Slot - However, it is also good as an Off-Hand weapon.

Now I would like to make this point about both Torc and Con-Op. While it can restore Spell Points (and Temp HP for Con-Op) it is actually best used by builds that tend to take more hits either because they can heal through it or the damage is significantly reduced.

Basically a melee type that uses Spell Points. I have actually found my Paladin gets far more mileage out these restorative pieces of equipment then my Archer, Wizard and Cleric (even though it is melee). I attribute this because when I play my paladin I'm actually working to get all the attention of the mobs, while the others will either be dodging or using abilities that reduce the mobs ability to hit back.

Really good point about a conop weapon. Agreed that conop is more useful on hybrids than casters in epics, (still solid in heroics) a caster tries not to take hits.