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pjc1
03-06-2017, 07:31 PM
I'm not seeing the strength increase or AC decrease on the character sheet when I activate it. Of course this is my first bard so I may be doing something wrong. I have enough perform ranks. Any ideas? Thank you.

EllisDee37
03-06-2017, 07:48 PM
Just checked on my bard and I'm getting the 4 strength as expected.

cru121
03-06-2017, 11:21 PM
1) are you in a defensive stance perhaps, such as one from Fighter Stalwart Defender enhancements? defensive stances block many rages
2) are you in a barbarian rage already? skaldic rage should not stack with those.

Eth
03-07-2017, 01:50 AM
Found the bardbarian.

pjc1
03-07-2017, 05:20 AM
1) are you in a defensive stance perhaps, such as one from Fighter Stalwart Defender enhancements? defensive stances block many rages
2) are you in a barbarian rage already? skaldic rage should not stack with those.

Ahhh. Dawn breaks on Marble Head. Stalwart Defender stance makes no worky. Thank for the replies yawl

SpartanKiller13
03-07-2017, 09:48 AM
Found the bardbarian.

Ooh ooh sign me up. Also most other casters crossed with barbarian. I've tried it...


Are you in a barbarian rage already? skaldic rage should not stack with those.

As of last year (when I tested it last) the rages do stack, offering hilarious power in heroics. If you read very carefully, that might even be WAI - Barbarian Rage (http://ddowiki.com/page/Rage_(barbarian)) gives an untyped bonus ("+4 bonus") while the Rage Spell (http://ddowiki.com/page/Rage_(spell)) gives morale ("+2 morale bonus") and Skaldic Rage (http://ddowiki.com/page/Warchanter_enhancements#Core) gives a rage bonus ("+4 rage bonus").

Skaldic is the only one listed as a "Rage" bonus.
I haven't tested Skaldic Rage and the Rage Spell, but I'd assume that they would stack as well.

If so, at level 2 you can have all three (Rage Spell from a potion/clicky) and Power Rage 3 (+3 Str while raging), for 33 Str before items on a HOrc. If there are any ML0-2 Reaper hats dropping you could hit 37 (I don't have/know enough about other random bonuses you could fit in except Rams, but that requires druid at lvl 3).

scipiojedi
03-07-2017, 10:10 AM
If so, at level 2 you can have all three (Rage Spell from a potion/clicky) and Power Rage 3 (+3 Str while raging), for 33 Str before items on a HOrc. If there are any ML0-2 Reaper hats dropping you could hit 37 (I don't have/know enough about other random bonuses you could fit in except Rams, but that requires druid at lvl 3).

Or ranger.

I did something like this a few years ago -I know for sure at one time both skaldic and barbarian rage stacked -but then I checked it again last year on that alt and I don't think they stacked anymore. So that build is ruined. I'll logon tonight and check it again though. You could do better though if instead of Rams Might you went warpriest and took divine might. You could probably top 40 strength at level 3 if you put enough into charisma. But that's my build. Patent pending :D

SpartanKiller13
03-07-2017, 12:17 PM
Or ranger.

I did something like this a few years ago -I know for sure at one time both skaldic and barbarian rage stacked -but then I checked it again last year on that alt and I don't think they stacked anymore. So that build is ruined. I'll logon tonight and check it again though. You could do better though if instead of Rams Might you went warpriest and took divine might. You could probably top 40 strength at level 3 if you put enough into charisma. But that's my build. Patent pending :D

HOrc for str costs you Cha, so 16+2item +2 reaper is a 5 bonus for 2AP. 1 for Skaldic Rage, and 7 for Power Rage 3 leaving you with 2AP for 20 base +10 rage +4 item +3 power rage +5 Divine Might = 42.

Or swap to Human, for 18 base but you get +6 from DM, and you can drop to Power Rage 2 for leftover 4 AP which you drop into Human Action Boost Str 3. 18 +10 rage +4 item +2 PR +6 DM +3 Action Boost = 43. +1 tome kicks in at lvl 3, and completionist for 46 str possible max at level 3? Cleric/FVS1 Barbarian 1 Bard 1.

unbongwah
03-07-2017, 12:47 PM
As of last year (when I tested it last) the rages do stack, offering hilarious power in heroics. If you read very carefully, that might even be WAI
It wasn't and it doesn't work anymore; they bug-fixed it a while back which cheesed off my bardbarian builds. :mad:

scipiojedi
03-07-2017, 12:55 PM
It wasn't and it doesn't work anymore; they bug-fixed it a while back which cheesed off my bardbarian builds. :mad:

I thought that was the case - now my 4 bard/2 barbarian/1 cleric AA is less effective - not sure how to fix her. I guess barbarian helps with movement speed though. Just need to level to 20 and get out of the borked build.

SpartanKiller13
03-07-2017, 01:12 PM
It wasn't and it doesn't work anymore; they bug-fixed it a while back which cheesed off my bardbarian builds. :mad:

Thanks for clarifying.
Honestly I went into a Bardarian for the self-healing (I hate being dependent on UMD and consumables) and pre-combat buffs. +4 str was just a bonus to me.


I thought that was the case - now my 4 bard/2 barbarian/1 cleric AA is less effective - not sure how to fix her. I guess barbarian helps with movement speed though. Just need to level to 20 and get out of the borked build.

Barbarian helps for movespeed, sprint boost, and Blood Tribute which is basically Shining Through without a 30s cooldown. Just sayin'.