Gold limit reached on a lvl 3 toon - Premium Account

[NaturalMystik]

Encountering a new problem. I've started a new character, currently at lvl3, but I can't sell stuff because I keep getting the Gold Limit Reached error. I didn't think I should have this issue (and haven't in the past), since I have made purchases before, making my account premium.

Today I just purchased an expansion pack, maybe that messed up my account status or something?

I notice on my character log in page it says "Free Account", I can't recall if this would have said "Premium" before?

I have put a ticket in, but wondering if anyone had any ideas. Thanks.

(screen cap of error)
http://imgur.com/a/lxsDm

[Moco2112]

the same thing happened to me with the account not being changed, they fixed it for me the next day tho, hopefully u get the same treatment.

[NaturalMystik]

Argh! Ok good to know though, thanks for the response. Luckily my bank isn't full yet, guess I'll sit on my loot for now...

[Connman]

Well the gold limit doubles every level anyway, maybe just run kobolds new ringleader about 10 times.

Also I would just be crunching all that stuff for crafting essences. They add up if you never sell.

[SpartanKiller13]

I hope Moco2112 is correct, but you can also "bank" it by bidding for things you know you'll be outbid on. Or if you're willing to lose ~3k you can find something on the AH and bid 23 times on a 1k item to store your cash for a while (assuming you have 50k as indicated in the post).

IIRC you can even bid on your own posts, so you could find something worthless and set it up for 10k auction (no buyout) and bid on it 4 times. If someone does outbid you, so much the better.

Also consider getting shared plat storage, even one upgrade (50k plat) goes a long way to setting up a new character. Only if you play a lot/plan on playing a lot, though.


Well the gold limit doubles every level anyway, maybe just run kobolds new ringleader about 10 times.

Also I would just be crunching all that stuff for crafting essences. They add up if you never sell.

On new characters you usually need the plat more during heroics. Also it's a huge pain to crunch items for a handful of essence when you could wait to epics and get 30-40 per item...

[C-Dog]

Yeah, something you did jumped the track, and your Premium account has been downgraded to Free. You'll pro'ly notice you have less character slots too, and you might be taking longer to "Get in line to connect" when you first log in.

Do NOT try to mail money to other alts - it'll be lost.


I have put a ticket in, but wondering if anyone had any ideas. Thanks.

This happens on occasion, and, unfortunately, none of the ticket system pull-down menus exactly apply to it - nothing truly fits, so the first reply you'll get may be an unhelpful form letter via email about some unrelated solution. (That's what happened to me in this same situation.)

You may want to re-post in this subforum: https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/92-In-Game-Customer-Service (for "urgent" problems) or this one https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/134-Account-Management-Assistance (for peer/player help). Proly get more GM traffic than this subforum.

Also, when going thru this same thing, someone suggested I PM "CS_Alkaid" on these forums and call their attention to the problem - don't know if they were the ones directly responsible, but shortly after I did it was fixed.

[skorpeon]

Yeah, something you did jumped the track, and your Premium account has been downgraded to Free. You'll pro'ly notice you have less character slots too, and you might be taking longer to "Get in line to connect" when you first log in.

Do NOT try to mail money to other alts - it'll be lost.



This happens on occasion, and, unfortunately, none of the ticket system pull-down menus exactly apply to it - nothing truly fits, so the first reply you'll get may be an unhelpful form letter via email about some unrelated solution. (That's what happened to me in this same situation.)

You may want to re-post in this subforum: https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/92-In-Game-Customer-Service (for "urgent" problems) or this one https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/134-Account-Management-Assistance (for peer/player help). Proly get more GM traffic than this subforum.

Also, when going thru this same thing, someone suggested I PM "CS_Alkaid" on these forums and call their attention to the problem - don't know if they were the ones directly responsible, but shortly after I did it was fixed.

Yeah it's happened to me in the past. I posted after putting in a ticket and it got fixed fairly quickly. I think you could PM the new CS rep?

[Sylvado]

The misuse of AH as storage for items and gold is bad enough, do we really have to provide a guide for misuse. If you enjoy the game spend some money and get a VIP account instead of being a freeloader on the backs of those that do.

[kmoustakas]

The misuse of AH as storage for items and gold is bad enough, do we really have to provide a guide for misuse. If you enjoy the game spend some money and get a VIP account instead of being a freeloader on the backs of those that do.

It's actually bugs like this that keep people ftp and premium. Well, that and zero end game, crazy power creep in heroic, abandoned systems and areas, unfathomable changes in direction and so on and so forth. For me, epic casual sealed the deal when it was introduced.

It's one of the best ftp games but only a barely average subscription game, sorry.

[SpartanKiller13]

The misuse of AH as storage for items and gold is bad enough, do we really have to provide a guide for misuse. If you enjoy the game spend some money and get a VIP account instead of being a freeloader on the backs of those that do.

If you bothered to read instead of complain you'd probably notice that the OP had spent money (hence premium).

Also, I've spent far more as a premium than I would have as a VIP. Freeloading VIP player, spend some actual money. Jeez.
There's a reason this game is marketed as F2P, and has attractive P2P options.


For me, epic casual sealed the deal when it was introduced.

Ok, I'm missing the point here. Do you really run EC? Like EN offers basically twice the xp and higher level loot for the same effort (nearly none). What's the issue?

[Duke64]

I have to agree with upping the amount of bank holdings! I think you have to do this at some time to really make the game work for you.

[Sylvado]

If you bothered to read instead of complain you'd probably notice that the OP had spent money (hence premium).

Also, I've spent far more as a premium than I would have as a VIP. Freeloading VIP player, spend some actual money. Jeez.
There's a reason this game is marketed as F2P, and has attractive P2P options.

That doesn't justify misusing systems making them more difficult for other players to use for the intended purpose. That is just simple selfishness.

[kmoustakas]

Ok, I'm missing the point here. Do you really run EC? Like EN offers basically twice the xp and higher level loot for the same effort (nearly none). What's the issue?

I apologise and you are correct, I should have been more specific. The transition from epic being a difficulty to epic being 'sort of all the quests that on normal are level 21 and you can choose difficulty levels for them nw' is what's my issue. I decided I wouldn't make the transition to VIP at that time* because I felt the game designers were going in a direction that I disliked. If they had just made those quests level 21 quests and kept 'epic' as it was it wouldn't have been as bad. I think by introducing 'reaper' mode they are trying to return to that old feeling when epic felt like a balanced end game but now I am drifting waaaayyy from the topic for which I again apologise. I just couldn't let Sylvano's underhanded comment about freeloaders go unanswered.

Obviously very few people run epic casual because it's (nearly) pointless and the difficulty gap between epic hard and epic elite is obviously gigantic. Again, that's a huge issue for me. You have four difficulty modes for a quest on heroic and again four difficulty modes on the same quest on epic and it's not rare that heroic elite is actually harder than epic casual. Heroic casual on the other hand definatelly has it's place and it's not only for litany of the dead.

* The horrific amounts of bugs introduced with that expansion also helped. I was reading them all over the forums and was feeling bad for the people that bought it. I personally bought it on 2015's christmas sale where it was 75% off or something?

[SpartanKiller13]

That doesn't justify misusing systems making them more difficult for other players to use for the intended purpose. That is just simple selfishness.

Selling something and bidding on it yourself? It's just another item on the AH, in this case for a low plat number. Also plat isn't worth a whole lot once you have like 50k. I've thrown a few mil away (got a 1-2 stat tome or something) on a 2nd life toon.

I'd much rather see more people putting stuff on the AH (even if it is for banking) than not. Change the posting fee to a percent of the listed value, not the "item value" as it currently is and no problem.


I apologise and you are correct, I should have been more specific. The transition from epic being a difficulty to epic being 'sort of all the quests that on normal are level 21 and you can choose difficulty levels for them nw' is what's my issue. I decided I wouldn't make the transition to VIP at that time* because I felt the game designers were going in a direction that I disliked. If they had just made those quests level 21 quests and kept 'epic' as it was it wouldn't have been as bad. I think by introducing 'reaper' mode they are trying to return to that old feeling when epic felt like a balanced end game but now I am drifting waaaayyy from the topic for which I again apologise. I just couldn't let Sylvado's underhanded comment about freeloaders go unanswered.

I didn't run any epics before they had all four difficulties, so I totally missed your point. I just assumed they had 3 and added EC and could not find a reason to be unhappy about that.
I've been Premium for a long time and never VIP.


Obviously very few people run epic casual because it's (nearly) pointless and the difficulty gap between epic hard and epic elite is obviously gigantic. Again, that's a huge issue for me. You have four difficulty modes for a quest on heroic and again four difficulty modes on the same quest on epic and it's not rare that heroic elite is actually harder than epic casual. Heroic casual on the other hand definitely has it's place and it's not only for litany of the dead.

I would like to see Epic difficulties reworked into something more than: EC (ignore) EN (dailies) EH (hard for ok toons) EE (actually hard) but at my current play level I am fairly fine with where they are.
...I literally only run HE for BB, and HH for reruns if I can't find an opener. XP motivates. HC is used for entrance quests and collectible farming (depending on quest level vs collectible level). What are you running HC for?
Even for new players I would not recommend it. Run HN, and try HH if you have a party/hireling.

[Sylvado]

Selling something and bidding on it yourself? It's just another item on the AH, in this case for a low plat number. Also plat isn't worth a whole lot once you have like 50k. I've thrown a few mil away (got a 1-2 stat tome or something) on a 2nd life toon.

I'd much rather see more people putting stuff on the AH (even if it is for banking) than not. Change the posting fee to a percent of the listed value, not the "item value" as it currently is and no problem

That is what I mean. When I have to scroll through pages of boots listed at 200-300k when I am looking to see if something is available to buy. I typically look at all items sorted by remaining time to see if anything interesting is available and more than half the items listed are just there as inventory slots for someone with 6 and 7 figure prices.

Then there are players that are intentionally trying to sell items that have no value at all to cheat unsuspecting players.

[SpartanKiller13]

That is what I mean. When I have to scroll through pages of boots listed at 200-300k when I am looking to see if something is available to buy. I typically look at all items sorted by remaining time to see if anything interesting is available and more than half the items listed are just there as inventory slots for someone with 6 and 7 figure prices.

Then there are players that are intentionally trying to sell items that have no value at all to cheat unsuspecting players.

Not sure what server you're on, but if you're using the "sort by level" feature and getting pages of boots I want your AH lol. Cannith doesn't have nearly that many items listed.
You get multiple pages of items at levels that have good/common named loot (lvl 22 robes), but lvl 1-21 mauls is under a page in the last month on Cannith.

In the past 3 months of playing I don't think I've seen a single item that seemed to be there for storage (6 figure price). I'm sure they're there, but not where I have been looking. And yes, I check AH every time I get on.

I've seen 6-7 figure prices for things like tomes and red augment+material weapons, but those seem adequately deserved.

If they're selling a "no-value" item for a low price (10k) people are buying those for Essences a lot right now. If it's for a high price than the people who can afford it will know it's junk; the people who don't know it's junk can't afford it.

When I was a new player, and saving plat for things, I'd happily spend it on a cool item that filled my needs. I wasn't going to buy a Greatsword of Combustion & Acid Lore just because it was expensive.

[Ykt]

The misuse of AH as storage for items and gold is bad enough, do we really have to provide a guide for misuse. If you enjoy the game spend some money and get a VIP account instead of being a freeloader on the backs of those that do.

People are less likely to get a VIP account when bugs like this happen.

And when they encounter hostile players like you.

[Sylvado]

Not sure what server you're on, but if you're using the "sort by level" feature and getting pages of boots I want your AH lol. Cannith doesn't have nearly that many items listed.
You get multiple pages of items at levels that have good/common named loot (lvl 22 robes), but lvl 1-21 mauls is under a page in the last month on Cannith.

In the past 3 months of playing I don't think I've seen a single item that seemed to be there for storage (6 figure price). I'm sure they're there, but not where I have been looking. And yes, I check AH every time I get on.

I've seen 6-7 figure prices for things like tomes and red augment+material weapons, but those seem adequately deserved.

If they're selling a "no-value" item for a low price (10k) people are buying those for Essences a lot right now. If it's for a high price than the people who can afford it will know it's junk; the people who don't know it's junk can't afford it.

When I was a new player, and saving plat for things, I'd happily spend it on a cool item that filled my needs. I wasn't going to buy a Greatsword of Combustion & Acid Lore just because it was expensive.

I do not use the level filter unless I am looking for something specific. This morning there were 20 to 30 boots on the list along the lines of Boots of Diversion 6 for 280k, no augment slot, no masterful. and quite a few 7 figure items. I do understand the high prices on tomes, deeds named items, etc. I think the prices are too high but I can see the potential to sell at those prices so it would appear to be legitimate sales. By valueless I mean no value at all, like the posting of old Mabar ingredients during the last event. I have purchased a lot of low value items myself for the essences, in fact that is why I have been searching without filters more often but never 10K, generally 40% of the value is my limit.

[Coyopa]

I do not use the level filter unless I am looking for something specific.

Well, you can't really complain about the signal:noise ratio when you're doing nothing to improve it.

[Sylvado]

Well, you can't really complain about the signal:noise ratio when you're doing nothing to improve it.

I am looking for all items so there should be no need for a filter. Is it unreasonable to expect that the items in the AH are actually items for sale? Is is unreasonable to expect that players would not try to sell items that had expired? Is it unreasonable for me to think that the posting of 30 common boots expiring about the same time for over 200k each is not an intent to sell the items but just use of the AH for inventory slots?

[SpartanKiller13]

I do not use the level filter unless I am looking for something specific. This morning there were 20 to 30 boots on the list along the lines of Boots of Diversion 6 for 280k, no augment slot, no masterful. and quite a few 7 figure items. I do understand the high prices on tomes, deeds named items, etc. I think the prices are too high but I can see the potential to sell at those prices so it would appear to be legitimate sales. By valueless I mean no value at all, like the posting of old Mabar ingredients during the last event. I have purchased a lot of low value items myself for the essences, in fact that is why I have been searching without filters more often but never 10K, generally 40% of the value is my limit.

Without filtering at all, there are 20-30 boots on the AH and this is a problem?
I'd complain if there were 200 and most were unreasonably priced, but...

Yeah if I was buying for essence I'd happily drop 10k on a useless pair of boots. 40% of value no wonder you don't like the AH; on Cannith there's rarely if ever anything below value (that I see).
With a bit of haggle you can get that much selling at a pawn shop, for a lot less hassle. You can even beat it if you have a dedicated haggle toon (cap is 50%).


Well, you can't really complain about the signal:noise ratio when you're doing nothing to improve it.

This. Also frankly sorting through 30 boots isn't bad, average 1/level.

[SpartanKiller13]

I am looking for all items so there should be no need for a filter. Is it unreasonable to expect that the items in the AH are actually items for sale? Is is unreasonable to expect that players would not try to sell items that had expired? Is it unreasonable for me to think that the posting of 30 common boots expiring about the same time for over 200k each is not an intent to sell the items but just use of the AH for inventory slots?

I invite you to look at E-Bay sometime, sorting for everything. I guarantee you will find some things posted that seem unreasonable to buy.

If there's 20-30 boots on the market I seriously doubt all 30 are storage. I am sure that people are using it for storage, but it seems odd to me to save random gen trash, so either they're decent or the seller has had success in the past (either validating them being there).

I've spent 200k on random gen trash because I needed it right then. I'll do it again, probably. Usually more like 50k, but they do sell (even if only occasionally). I was awestruck the first time I sold a GH ring for 800k. It was a HE ring of the djinn. I had no idea people bought them for that much, I just wanted to see if someone would (price 200k, buyout 800k, got bought out).

[SiliconScout]

I am looking for all items so there should be no need for a filter. Is it unreasonable to expect that the items in the AH are actually items for sale? Is is unreasonable to expect that players would not try to sell items that had expired? Is it unreasonable for me to think that the posting of 30 common boots expiring about the same time for over 200k each is not an intent to sell the items but just use of the AH for inventory slots?

Well if they are truly common trash boots and priced that high then I would have to think that the chances of them being put in there for storage is pretty slim, afterall it's just vendor trash right? Easy enough to get / replace even if you need the space.

My guess is that someone posted is for crazy either by accident or because they actually sold something at that price one time and as others went to add their "junk" to the AH they looked up comparables first and saw this price and rolled with it. Hell occasionally that might even have been me. Twice I jumped into the AH and bought the most expensive item I could find just to trash it and make room for plat, so I guess in that regard I have contributed to the issue.

I don't know how often I have had to tell people in trade channel that what is on the AH is what people are asking not what they are getting, if they got it then it wouldn't be listed would it. But because they see it on there they get a distorted idea of it's value.

[Sylvado]

Well if they are truly common trash boots and priced that high then I would have to think that the chances of them being put in there for storage is pretty slim, afterall it's just vendor trash right? Easy enough to get / replace even if you need the space.

My guess is that someone posted is for crazy either by accident or because they actually sold something at that price one time and as others went to add their "junk" to the AH they looked up comparables first and saw this price and rolled with it. Hell occasionally that might even have been me. Twice I jumped into the AH and bought the most expensive item I could find just to trash it and make room for plat, so I guess in that regard I have contributed to the issue.

I don't know how often I have had to tell people in trade channel that what is on the AH is what people are asking not what they are getting, if they got it then it wouldn't be listed would it. But because they see it on there they get a distorted idea of it's value.

You tell me, currently 12 pages of items with a current price of 1,000,000+, 45 pages of items at 100,000+. Including such rare finds as: Ring of Protection +6 starting at 800k, Ring of Protection +5 at 640k, Cloak of Accuracy 400k, Cloak of Accuracy 480k, Boots of Fire Guard 2 280k, Boots of Strength 2 240k, 44 other similar items posted over a 40 minute period. Couldn't possibly be storage though.

[SpartanKiller13]

You tell me, currently 12 pages of items with a current price of 1,000,000+, 45 pages of items at 100,000+. Including such rare finds as: Ring of Protection +6 starting at 800k, Ring of Protection +5 at 640k, Cloak of Accuracy 400k, Cloak of Accuracy 480k, Boots of Fire Guard 2 280k, Boots of Strength 2 240k, 44 other similar items posted over a 40 minute period. Couldn't possibly be storage though.

...Do you actually store your Boots of Str +2 in the bank? Wow. Your commitment astounds me, and I applaud your dedication to eking out every last bit of stats.
If you do, maybe they are storage. I'm with SiliconScout though, I think someone bought them and they are actually trying to sell them.

Also, how many of those items in the 45 pages mentioned were reasonable finds?
I'll check Cannith later, I'm curious now what the proportions are.

I have one pair of random gen boots banked, they're Dex/Ins Dex/Sheltering. If I saw a similarly useful one on the AH, I'd happily spend 200k for them. Or 400k.

[SiliconScout]

Hell last life I was level 12 before I bothered to swap out my ... wait for it ... waaaaait .... abishai set from Chronoscope, and only because I was putting on greensteel for gloves and a cloak.

I honestly cannot believe there is anyone out there TR'ing that needs to bank a +2 STR boots or Similar. Sure I can see some really good combo or master crafted stuff but seriously. It could just be that your AH pricing has dropped out of whack or someone is playing with it.

Once, mainly to burn plat, I started buying all the hair dye that came on the market and posting it for 50k per. Within a couple of weeks there wasn't anything being posted for less than 50k and it took MONTHS for the prices to drop back down to the 5k - 7k norm they were are before then. Could just be someone burning plat and messing with the AH pricing. I did it on the hair dyes (and man do I have a LOT of hair dyes) but in all honesty I probably have 50 million plat across my toons and the shared bank and if I really wanted to burn it I could mess with the AH big time. Once people get used to seeing the inflated prices it generally takes a LONG time for the then to trend down or perhaps a concerted effort of cheap posting, assuming the person messing with the AH doesn't just buy it up.

I dunno. I just struggle to see why anyone would bother to bank that sort of thing in the AH as you will pull it a bajillion times as you level. I can see for sure if it was dodge with insightful dodge and both were at or near the max for the level of the item then sure ... hell throw in a GREEN slot and people will give you babies, but standard +2 Str of crapola ... seems a waste of time to bank something like that.

[NaturalHazard]

i made 1.5 million+ on a new character by level 11 just putting up my semi useful to very useful trash loot that I found while leveling and not asking too much for it, rarely for more than 10-15k max I want stuff to sell not fill my inbox and have to repost, vendor or deconstruct. Doing that can really take up a lot of time. I do prefer to decon mainly the stuff I pull on my level 30's on their raid runs.

[Sylvado]

Hell last life I was level 12 before I bothered to swap out my ... wait for it ... waaaaait .... abishai set from Chronoscope, and only because I was putting on greensteel for gloves and a cloak.

I honestly cannot believe there is anyone out there TR'ing that needs to bank a +2 STR boots or Similar. Sure I can see some really good combo or master crafted stuff but seriously. It could just be that your AH pricing has dropped out of whack or someone is playing with it.

Once, mainly to burn plat, I started buying all the hair dye that came on the market and posting it for 50k per. Within a couple of weeks there wasn't anything being posted for less than 50k and it took MONTHS for the prices to drop back down to the 5k - 7k norm they were are before then. Could just be someone burning plat and messing with the AH pricing. I did it on the hair dyes (and man do I have a LOT of hair dyes) but in all honesty I probably have 50 million plat across my toons and the shared bank and if I really wanted to burn it I could mess with the AH big time. Once people get used to seeing the inflated prices it generally takes a LONG time for the then to trend down or perhaps a concerted effort of cheap posting, assuming the person messing with the AH doesn't just buy it up.

I dunno. I just struggle to see why anyone would bother to bank that sort of thing in the AH as you will pull it a bajillion times as you level. I can see for sure if it was dodge with insightful dodge and both were at or near the max for the level of the item then sure ... hell throw in a GREEN slot and people will give you babies, but standard +2 Str of crapola ... seems a waste of time to bank something like that.

I agree with you on that, I would not consider keeping any single attribute item, yet the items are there and there are many of them. The boots are what catches my eye because there are so many of them at the same time and this has occurred a number of times so it would appear to be a cleaning out of the TR cache before TRing again, that is only a guess. Still hard to understand because I would just prefer to pay a couple of dollars instead of spending the time to post then retrieve 50 items. There does seem to be a pair of boots for each Speed buff. This is on Argonnessen.

[C-Dog]

...Do you actually store your Boots of Str +2 in the bank? Wow. Your commitment astounds me, and I applaud your dedication to eking out every last bit of stats.
...
I have one pair of random gen boots banked, they're Dex/Ins Dex/Sheltering. If I saw a similarly useful one on the AH, I'd happily spend 200k for them. Or 400k.
I agree with you on that, I would not consider keeping any single attribute item...

This might be the diff between having TR'd many times with many toons with more acting as "sugar daddies" (or nephews, etc), and having only TR'd once or twice. If you don't have a lot of sources of loot, you actually might not see this stuff ~that~ often, at least not ones worth noticing.

[Sylvado]

Forgot about the Collapsed Portable Holes in the Shard exchange, listed at 10 shards and higher. Is that not taking advantage of people that are new to the game?

[Sylvado]

This might be the diff between having TR'd many times with many toons with more acting as "sugar daddies" (or nephews, etc), and having only TR'd once or twice. If you don't have a lot of sources of loot, you actually might not see this stuff ~that~ often, at least not ones worth noticing.

I've been here a while but it has been on and off. I have one character that has TRed and is only on a fourth life and only 3 others that have made it to 20.

[SpartanKiller13]

Once, mainly to burn plat, I started buying all the hair dye that came on the market and posting it for 50k per. Within a couple of weeks there wasn't anything being posted for less than 50k and it took MONTHS for the prices to drop back down to the 5k - 7k norm they were are before then. Could just be someone burning plat and messing with the AH pricing. If I really wanted to burn plat I could mess with the AH big time. Once people get used to seeing the inflated prices it generally takes a LONG time for the then to trend down or perhaps a concerted effort of cheap posting.

I dunno. I just struggle to see why anyone would bother to bank that sort of thing in the AH as you will pull it a bajillion times as you level. I can see for sure if it was dodge with insightful dodge and both were at or near the max for the level of the item then sure ... hell throw in a GREEN slot and people will give you babies, but standard +2 Str of crapola ... seems a waste of time to bank something like that.

This. A player driven market using a currency that caps out fairly easily can have a lot of problems, especially if someone decides to mess with it.


I agree with you on that, I would not consider keeping any single attribute item, yet the items are there and there are many of them. The boots are what catches my eye because there are so many of them at the same time and this has occurred a number of times so it would appear to be a cleaning out of the TR cache before TRing again, that is only a guess. Still hard to understand because I would just prefer to pay a couple of dollars instead of spending the time to post then retrieve 50 items. There does seem to be a pair of boots for each Speed buff. This is on Argonnessen.

Not everyone has the $ to do so, lol. Or wants to spend it when there's a free option.
It seems really odd that someone would be saving a full set of boots. If you really care, save 3 Anger's Steps, and use them as swap boots until you get to a Speed 6+ item. Easy ML1 +25% movement speed.


Forgot about the Collapsed Portable Holes in the Shard exchange, listed at 10 shards and higher. Is that not taking advantage of people that are new to the game?

Frankly new players will 1) not know what ASAH is, 2) not have AS to spend on ASAH, and 3) not know what a CPH is useful for.
Also, I try to keep one spare so I can get my inve space at level ~7 vs lvl ~15. Also they're good currency to trade for unwanted tomes etc.

[Sylvado]

Not everyone has the $ to do so, lol. Or wants to spend it when there's a free option.
It seems really odd that someone would be saving a full set of boots. If you really care, save 3 Anger's Steps, and use them as swap boots until you get to a Speed 6+ item. Easy ML1 +25% movement speed.

Frankly new players will 1) not know what ASAH is, 2) not have AS to spend on ASAH, and 3) not know what a CPH is useful for.
Also, I try to keep one spare so I can get my inve space at level ~7 vs lvl ~15. Also they're good currency to trade for unwanted tomes etc.

I agree, I have even considered that it is someone trolling by flooding the market with overpriced items but that is not likely. Right now there is also a ML3 Cloak of Invisibility and a ML3 Ring of Invisibility posted, each at 1,500,000 and a mid level collar for 2,000,000 do you think there is an intent to sell the items?

As for the Portable Hole, the point is that if you don't have one it will cost you 6 shards so listing them at anything over 5 is just an attempt to cheat people that don't know better.

[SpartanKiller13]

I agree, I have even considered that it is someone trolling by flooding the market with overpriced items but that is not likely. Right now there is also a ML3 Cloak of Invisibility and a ML3 Ring of Invisibility posted, each at 1,500,000 and a mid level collar for 2,000,000 do you think there is an intent to sell the items?

As for the Portable Hole, the point is that if you don't have one it will cost you 6 shards so listing them at anything over 5 is just an attempt to cheat people that don't know better.

Well, a ML3 invisi clicky (along with other good clickies) is worth whatever the market will bear - especially the plat market. I would not be surprised if those sold. Personally I'd rather spend the plat than worry about UMD'ing a replaceable stack of scrolls...
I only have one main account these days, so I would have to think about it first, but there are plenty of people with 2m plat sitting around lol.

I totally missed that point. I never consider spending AS on things you don't need to, so I don't know that I'd ever remember that you could bypass it for 6 AS.
But CPH is plat only for me, considering the ease of acquiring another.

[Coyopa]

Frankly new players will 1) not know what ASAH is, 2) not have AS to spend on ASAH, and 3) not know what a CPH is useful for.
Also, I try to keep one spare so I can get my inve space at level ~7 vs lvl ~15. Also they're good currency to trade for unwanted tomes etc.

ROFLOL. Sorry. I'm not laughing at you. It's just that I have 21 Collapsed Portable Holes sitting in my shared bank right now. Because of this, I have discovered that CPH's only stack to 20. So, they're actually taking up 2 bank slots right now. Anyway, that's why I found that part funny.

[SpartanKiller13]

ROFLOL. Sorry. I'm not laughing at you. It's just that I have 21 Collapsed Portable Holes sitting in my shared bank right now. Because of this, I have discovered that CPH's only stack to 20. So, they're actually taking up 2 bank slots right now. Anyway, that's why I found that part funny.

TBF that is pretty funny. Want to mail me a couple so you don't waste bank space? :rolleyes:
Did you trade for them or iconic farm them?
For me I get about one/life and use one/life. I've had two random drops so far, but I've also traded two away so I'm looking to buy one before I HTR next.

[Sylvado]

Well, a ML3 invisi clicky (along with other good clickies) is worth whatever the market will bear - especially the plat market. I would not be surprised if those sold. Personally I'd rather spend the plat than worry about UMD'ing a replaceable stack of scrolls...
I only have one main account these days, so I would have to think about it first, but there are plenty of people with 2m plat sitting around lol.

I totally missed that point. I never consider spending AS on things you don't need to, so I don't know that I'd ever remember that you could bypass it for 6 AS.
But CPH is plat only for me, considering the ease of acquiring another.

I get so many potions of invisibility that I only keep one stack and sell the rest to a vendor. What value does a single charge clickie have? I have 2 million, maybe a little less due to my crafting buying spree, but I would not consider spending it all on a single charge invisibility clickie.

[C-Dog]

What value does a single charge clickie have? I have 2 million, maybe a little less due to my crafting buying spree, but I would not consider spending it all on a single charge invisibility clickie.

But that doesn't mean that another player doesn't have 10 toons each at Plat cap, and they would consider it, or even jump at it if that's what they thought they needed. Impulse buying exists at all levels, and spending becomes very relative.

[Gleep_Wurp]

you said gold. lol

[Coyopa]

TBF that is pretty funny. Want to mail me a couple so you don't waste bank space? :rolleyes:
Did you trade for them or iconic farm them?
For me I get about one/life and use one/life. I've had two random drops so far, but I've also traded two away so I'm looking to buy one before I HTR next.

Well, about 4 years ago, I bought 15 of them. That was the last time I bought them. I've given a few away to friends here and there. If you were on Sarlona, I'd be willing to give you a couple. I'm down to playing only a few characters seriously now. The rest of my characters I periodically TR and level back to 20 (generally and then I park them again). So, whatever holes those characters get generally get banked instead of used. I purchased one extra bag on my main a while ago and the last couple of lives I've simply forgotten to use a CPH on him because he has 5 bags with the free one you get at the first tier of Coin Lord favor.

[Sylvado]

Yeah if I was buying for essence I'd happily drop 10k on a useless pair of boots. 40% of value no wonder you don't like the AH; on Cannith there's rarely if ever anything below value (that I see).
With a bit of haggle you can get that much selling at a pawn shop, for a lot less hassle. You can even beat it if you have a dedicated haggle toon (cap is 50%)

I use 40% as my guide for buying junk, not selling. I have a haggle toon that buffs to 93 so I get 40% at vendors. Surprisingly there are a lot of items that sell at less than 40% on my server, you can make a lot just buying on the AH and selling to a vendor. Since the new crafting I either dissolve them or keep the masterful and augment slot items. Holding about as much as I can at this point so I am just buying augments but I do look for interesting thing by sorting all items by duration and going through to the 8 hour point. You never know when a masterful item with an augment slot might come up. Obviously items that I buy as crafting blanks are not subject to a 40% cap since a level 5 item may become a level 30 crafted item.

What do essences go for on Cannith, here it is about 800 plat or about 30/shard?

[Coyopa]

I get so many potions of invisibility that I only keep one stack and sell the rest to a vendor. What value does a single charge clickie have? I have 2 million, maybe a little less due to my crafting buying spree, but I would not consider spending it all on a single charge invisibility clickie.

I've been playing my main almost exclusively over 2016. In that time, I did 7 consecutive epic reincarnations. Over each of those epic lives, I easily accumulated another 500,000 platinum, even with spending some on airship amenities and random gen gear to fill in a slot for him here and there. I've currently got 4mp on him, 3.8mp on my L30 barbarian, 3.1mp on my L26 monk, 4.1mp on my L30 bard, and I don't even know how much plat I have on my other 13 or so characters. And I'm not even rich by comparison to most other players. So, there are plenty of people who are willing to pay what you consider to be ridiculous prices for things just because they need or want them for a quest and do not want to wait.

[SiliconScout]

ROFLOL. Sorry. I'm not laughing at you. It's just that I have 21 Collapsed Portable Holes sitting in my shared bank right now. Because of this, I have discovered that CPH's only stack to 20. So, they're actually taking up 2 bank slots right now. Anyway, that's why I found that part funny.

Same here .. got something like 30 of them, I can't give them away and always get at least one per life with a random one probably every other life. Used to be we could sell (or buy) them for about 25k plat on Thelanis (pre-MOTU days here) but these days they would sit there forever at that price. Heck I had a 5k one return to me in the mail so I just stopped even bothering to try.

[SpartanKiller13]

I get so many potions of invisibility that I only keep one stack and sell the rest to a vendor. What value does a single charge clickie have? I have 2 million, maybe a little less due to my crafting buying spree, but I would not consider spending it all on a single charge invisibility clickie.

I tend to sell potions etc to free up inve space. I've never dedicated a slot to them to collect.
Clickies work every time, really easily. Past level 10 I have a dedicated inve slot for my Invisibility cloak.
Plat is really easy to obtain, so I have no problem throwing it around.


Well, about 4 years ago, I bought 15 of them. That was the last time I bought them. I've given a few away to friends here and there. If you were on Sarlona, I'd be willing to give you a couple. I'm down to playing only a few characters seriously now. The rest of my characters I periodically TR and level back to 20 (generally and then I park them again). So, whatever holes those characters get generally get banked instead of used. I purchased one extra bag on my main a while ago and the last couple of lives I've simply forgotten to use a CPH on him because he has 5 bags with the free one you get at the first tier of Coin Lord favor.

Sadly I'm on Cannith lol.


Same here .. got something like 30 of them, I can't give them away and always get at least one per life with a random one probably every other life. Used to be we could sell (or buy) them for about 25k plat on Thelanis (pre-MOTU days here) but these days they would sit there forever at that price. Heck I had a 5k one return to me in the mail so I just stopped even bothering to try.


~3 months ago I sold one for 500k, lol.



I use 40% as my guide for buying junk, not selling. I have a haggle toon that buffs to 93 so I get 40% at vendors. Surprisingly there are a lot of items that sell at less than 40% on my server, you can make a lot just buying on the AH and selling to a vendor. Since the new crafting I either dissolve them or keep the masterful and augment slot items. Holding about as much as I can at this point so I am just buying augments but I do look for interesting thing by sorting all items by duration and going through to the 8 hour point. You never know when a masterful item with an augment slot might come up. Obviously items that I buy as crafting blanks are not subject to a 40% cap since a level 5 item may become a level 30 crafted item.

What do essences go for on Cannith, here it is about 800 plat or about 30/shard?

That's pretty cool! I'm not that patient, however, when a quick epic loot run will get you easily 10k/item without a haggle toon. One day I'll have to make a haggle toon lol.
I dissolve a lot, but in heroics I tend to just vendor (hassle not worth IMO).

I haven't been checking essences in a month (since I did my crafting run) but there weren't very many then. Everyone was buying them, so the prices were pretty insane.
I tend to check for material weapons mostly. I don't have enough collectibles to craft everything, so weapons take priority for me.

So what you're saying is that you could use more inventory space? Possibly obtainable by storing items on the AH at high buyouts? Or is it that you'd rather not spend a few $ to support this game? You can buy extra bank/inve slots. See your original post:


The misuse of AH as storage for items and gold is bad. If you enjoy the game spend some money and get a VIP account instead of being a freeloader on the backs of those that do.

[Sylvado]

I don't have enough collectibles to craft everything, so weapons take priority for me.

So what you're saying is that you could use more inventory space? Possibly obtainable by storing items on the AH at high buyouts? Or is it that you'd rather not spend a few $ to support this game? You can buy extra bank/inve slots. See your original post:

Hoarding paid off for me I would pick up every collectable but never took the time to trade them in, I have over a thousand of some of the low tier collectables, in fact I just purchased more shared crafting storage today since it was on sale. I am spending $200+ per year on the game. Still cheap by my standards, I go back to the days of $6/hour for online gaming, that was NWN. That is why I also laugh at the complaints about lag and downtime back then it was so bad we just referred to it as The Punt Monster.

I have all the inventory space I need, it is the other players storing items in the AH that slows down my shopping time. Not an issue when looking for something specific but I look at all items by duration looking for interesting items at a good price. Like today when I found an Epic Elite Forgotten Light for about 6000, may never use it but it could be nice to have if I ever have a level 25 cleric. Or why someone disjuncted a colorless augment necklace and put it on the AH for 400, didn't really need that but I picked it up in case a guildie ever needs one.

[NaturalMystik]

Thanks for all the tips, tricks, and info folks!

For those waiting with baited breath, my account was reverted back to Premium and all is good now. Unfortunately when the issue happened I already had some running auctions and the downgrade prevented me from being able to do anything at the AH. Luckily I still had some bank space for my good items until my account was fixed. On a new server, with a new character money is super tight and an ember rapier and small collectables bag won't get you too far. Up to 20k now and able to start gearing my toon. A kind vet donated a medium collectables bag and large ingredients bag to my cause.

I'm quite happy with the Premium account option. I've bought points a few times, just bought that expansion that messed up my account, and I own tons of the adventure packs. I'm not a subscription person period, I don't have the time or commitment and I'm crazy cheap. But I can honestly say I've spent more money on this game than any other game ever, I've also played it more... When I first started playing, after it went f2p, I remember the main restriction being some medallions or coins or something you needed to buy in order to go higher levels, but you could also grind for them. I now see with the current restrictions in place for F2P players, it would be totally unplayable for me. But I suppose it helps keep down some plat farmers, gives new players a good taste for the game and forces them to invest one way or another if they like it. Also I guess if you want to level quick you can get over the gold hurdle somewhat, but personally I'm a slow leveler, I usually hold xp until I'm capped and have to take the lvl which would mean a much longer time before I can paid. Ultimately I guess it's mainly a detriment if you only have one character, after you have higher level characters they will end up sending all the good stuff to your new character anyway.

I probably will start grinding my vendor trash, just wanted to get up and running with a little walking money. Didn't consider selling the essences, I'd have a hard time parting with them. I'm a DDO packrat/hoarder. Wasn't sure of the current state of crafting, but I recall in the past it was a great way to get a new character on a new server up and running with some decent homemade gear that you couldn't otherwise afford. Also seems like a good idea to have one crafter on each server.

Ok, off to jump into someones backpack so I can freeload... ;)