AH - What Gives?

[Armatone]

I went to buy a FF ring for my L3 Assassin and see a ML1 ring with a Current Price of 125k PP and a Buyout of 200k PP. I've noticed a lot of listings similar to this. Are these typos or are these people serious or are they crazy?

[scipiojedi]

FF isn't as common as it was so these people are serious. When you are desperate for FF you gotta get some

[Kylstrem]

If they are crafted unbound items, the ingredients require RARE Icons of Khyber.

So, those are reasonable prices, especially considering that plat is so freely available now.

[C-Dog]

Not only are items like that are not as common, but most end up on the Shard Exchange (since Plat is "useless" to most questing characters who find such), so the few that do make it to the AH are rarer still. (AND will get snatched up and sold on the SE if not appropriately expensive.)

Thank the Shard Exchange.

[Aelonwy]

I really don't know what to tell you... sometimes people list things for prices that you or I may think are outrageous and nonsensical. Perhaps, they may be using the AH as a form of storage and if someone buys one of these ludicrously priced items its win-win for them. No one can say for sure. All you can do is refuse to purchase at any price point that you feel is unwarranted. You cannot even really change the market on your own. I know, I refuse to post thieves tools or low level augments for insane prices but they just get bought up by people such as these and re-posted at the prices they want to get for these items. You can often even tell when one person is doing this because all the like items have the same expiration time. I'm sure its ridiculously frustrating for new players.

[Knobull]

The AH - aka, an extra 50 temporary storage slots. People store stuff there posted for ridiculous prices, if someone happens to buy it, bonus! That's my theory anyway. It has been going on for ages. Some servers are worse for it than others.

Though recently stuff has been selling for stupid high prices because of the new crafting system. Stuff that does not usually sell is selling. Stuff with masterful craftsmanship or augment slots are selling for stupid high prices.

I'd say both of these things are factors in AH prices right now. (at least plat AH, I refuse to use the shard AH, I will not pay real money to post stuff)

[Armatone]

Well, that explains a lot. Sort of a black market going on.

Thanks to everyone!

:)

[Eryhn]

this was an issue before the new crafting actually. at least on argo there apparently is some very systematically working platfarmers around. over the last year, not always, but frequently when i was too lazy to craft some leveling stuff for an alt in heroics, prices for utility stuff like featherfall, as well as for not too hard to get named items for lvl10-14 range from sands and GH would be rly high, like, in the 150-350k plat range, for stuff that some multilifers just vendor out these days. whenever that was the case, it would be a whole row of those items, at same price range and same post time ranges.
so basically somebody bought out the whole AH on those and put em back up for lots. it would stand to reason that with the new crafting overall reducing amount of items sold on AH, those people see even better days for money making ...
which isnt nice on new players rly, with crafting for others being, well ... dead?

cant rly be anything done about this, other than being nice and putting stuff up for cheap when you don't need it ...

[Knobull]

Another theory is that it is some kind of laundering scheme to obfuscate the transactions related to the exchange of duped items and materials. Though with a plat cap of 4.3M I'm not sure how useful or practical that would be. Similar behaviour on the shard ah would be more suspect in this resepect.

But who knows, it could just be some challenged persons who just like to post stuff on the AH obsessively... ¯\(°_o)/¯

[Ulfo]

I refuse to use the shard AH, I will not pay real money to post stuff

Ugh... Sorry, I don't understand about what you speak. Real money?

Or you mean one-time spend RM for premium account and access to ASAH?

[Knobull]

Ugh... Sorry, I don't understand about what you speak. Real money?

Or you mean one-time spend RM for premium account and access to ASAH?

Nope. Neither. Used to be VIP, downgraded to premium for several reasons. Anyway, it costs shards to post on the shard exchange. I have 9 AS left from before the existence of the shard ah or their availability on the store. Back when they were dropped as astral diamonds and used for guild ship purchases. Anyway, I have a couple left, but the price to post items has never made it worth it. I'd have to buy shards with real money to get started proper on the asah. I'm not willing to do that.

Totally willing to spend real money on adventure packs and expansions, have done so in the past and will do again in the future. (supplemented by favour earned TP, but when the sales are on, I get out the pre-paid credit card and buy whatever packs I am missing that would like to have next - that and races and character slots too, not classes yet though, haven't sunk to that..

So, not sure what you were trying to say, but to satisfy your curiousity, that is my DDO spending strategy - adv packs, expansions, char slots and races.

[C-Dog]

...I have 9 AS left ... but the price to post items has never made it worth it. I'd have to buy shards with real money to get started proper on the asah...

WIth 9 AS, you can post 9 items on the SE, for whatever prices you want to ask. Those 1-shard posting fees are returned if the auction expires. I don't see what the problem is.

[Knobull]

WIth 9 AS, you can post 9 items on the SE, for whatever prices you want to ask. Those 1-shard posting fees are returned if the auction expires. I don't see what the problem is.

As I recall the as posting fee is a percentage of what you post it for, not a flat 1 AS per item.

Regardless, I disagree with the asah on principle in general, that, and I can't be bothered. That is the problem.

It is odd that my unwillingness to buy AS is getting all the attention and not my laundering scheme theory. Thought for sure the laundering scheme would get at least one tinfoilhat or paladin comment. ;)

Edit: on checking the Wiki, I see it is a flat fee:



Posting fees for unbound items is one Shard, and posting fees for BtCoE items is five Shards. These fees are refunded if the auction expires.
The default bid for unbound items is three Shards. The default bid for BtCoE items is fifteen Shards.
The Shard Exchange will take a 30% cut (on top of the posting fee) when unbound items are successfully sold, and a 40% cut (on top of the posting fee) for bound items.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Shard_Exchange

So when I was considering it, my guess is I probably wanted to post a BTCoE item and did not like the deal.

[Astoroth]

It costs shards to post on the shard exchange. I have 9 AS left from before the existence of the shard ah or their availability on the store. Back when they were dropped as astral diamonds and used for guild ship purchases. Anyway, I have a couple left, but the price to post items has never made it worth it. I'd have to buy shards with real money to get started proper on the asah.

You get your 1 shard listing fee back along with the item if it doesn't sell. It's a little different than the plat auction house in that regard.

[spyder7723]

The asah isn't that bad. I've never bought astral shards yet have a couple thousand now. And i don't play often. I got a few from monster manual deeds and then posted stuff that would sell.

Edit to add: the key is not trying for the homerun. Useful items but not useful to your specific build posted for a modest buy out. Heck even relatively useless stuff like 20 tapestries will sometimes sell for a few shards. It adds up.

[nokowi]

I went to buy a FF ring for my L3 Assassin and see a ML1 ring with a Current Price of 125k PP and a Buyout of 200k PP. I've noticed a lot of listings similar to this. Are these typos or are these people serious or are they crazy?

I would pay this without a thought if I was TRing. No doubt I have many of them on mules, but time is pp, right?

All you would need to do is find something a vet wants "cough cough crafting ingreds, etc" and you could get a large amount of pp quickly.

Being knowledgeable about what is desired is the trick.

What is true for pp is generally also true for shards. You need 1 astral shard to post and then sell something a vet wants for a few shards.

[Enderoc]

If they are crafted unbound items, the ingredients require RARE Icons of Khyber.

So, those are reasonable prices, especially considering that plat is so freely available now.

Nope. You can get Random loot with same effects for level one. It's not anyone's fault if the seller wasted a PED on an easily acquired item. But it does say a lot to think he would get anything close to that for it. Listen dude, a new player first life first character can get a feather fall clicky straight from Korthos if he/she is that hard up. Most vets aren't. I bind one level one feather fall item for every character I make. Never bought any of them from the AH.

[moomooprincess]

I am currently playing on the Khyber server.

I have quite a few that are just sitting around, I can mail you one. Level 2s, level 3s, level 4s. I know I have a feather fall clickie also with 3 charges that I don't need either.

[Kylstrem]

Nope. You can get Random loot with same effects for level one. It's not anyone's fault if the seller wasted a PED on an easily acquired item. But it does say a lot to think he would get anything close to that for it. Listen dude, a new player first life first character can get a feather fall clicky straight from Korthos if he/she is that hard up. Most vets aren't. I bind one level one feather fall item for every character I make. Never bought any of them from the AH.

I know they can fall on random loot. But someone has to find them if they want them. Most people (who aren't just brand new to the game) want to have FF right when they start. They may not need it right when they start, but they want to get it and not have to worry about it later on.

If there are only a handful of min level 1 FF items on the plat AH and they are all listed at 100K+ plat, then that is the market for them. People will pay that price easily. If you have been playing more than 1 year and you still think 100K is a huge amount of plat, then you are not taking advantage of methods to easily get lots of plat. And i'm talking about valid in-game methods... not any exploits.

[Cantor]

As I recall the as posting fee is a percentage of what you post it for, not a flat 1 AS per item.

Regardless, I disagree with the asah on principle in general, that, and I can't be bothered. That is the problem.

It is odd that my unwillingness to buy AS is getting all the attention and not my laundering scheme theory. Thought for sure the laundering scheme would get at least one tinfoilhat or paladin comment. ;)

Edit: on checking the Wiki, I see it is a flat fee:
http://ddowiki.com/page/Shard_Exchange

So when I was considering it, my guess is I probably wanted to post a BTCoE item and did not like the deal.

Btcoe is purposefully high cost to prevent easily passing it around alts. I have never bought shards and slowly built up to a couple thousand before airship change which tapped me out. It is possible to sell lots of lowish cost items. 9 shards is plenty to get going.

[Livmo]

The AH - aka, an extra 50 temporary storage slots. People store stuff there posted for ridiculous prices, if someone happens to buy it, bonus! That's my theory anyway. It has been going on for ages. Some servers are worse for it than others.

Though recently stuff has been selling for stupid high prices because of the new crafting system. Stuff that does not usually sell is selling. Stuff with masterful craftsmanship or augment slots are selling for stupid high prices.

I'd say both of these things are factors in AH prices right now. (at least plat AH, I refuse to use the shard AH, I will not pay real money to post stuff)

Great post!

Also you can play the Shard Exchange for Free. If you're Premium you can post on the Shard Exchange and it only takes 1 shard to get started. Comb thru any Monster Manuels that you may have and you can get free shards that way. Also, I've had shards drop ona Silver Roll from Daily Dice. I've turned 1 shard into many for free.

Once you build up some shards you can buy and re-sell on the Shard Exchange and make even more shards for free. Side note, each server is different, so you'll have to gage prices and what the market will bear diffrently on each server.

EDIT ~ Shards are server specifc and Turbine Points are not.