Must-Have Adventure Packs/Expansions

[itaimar]

Hello all! :)

After stopping my VIP, I have enough Turbine Points to buy many other adventure packs, and I can buy more with real money if so needs be. What are the most important and most played adventure packs out there, what should I get?

Thanks ahead,
Itaimar.

[FranOhmsford]

In order:

1) Menace of the Underdark Expansion {or at the very least - Epic Destinies}.
2) Necropolis Bundle {or at the very least Necro IV}
3) Vale of Twilight
4) Gianthold
5) Sands of Menechtarun
6) Vault of Night
7) Shadowfell Expansion
8) Landlubber Bundle {or at the very least 3 Barrel Cove}
9) Devil Assault

Those are the biggies.



P.S. Someone's bound to mention Delera's Graveyard but as you've been VIP I'm guessing you already have the Voice of the Master {which is the only reason to buy that pack}.

[Stoner81]

In order:

1) Menace of the Underdark Expansion {or at the very least - Epic Destinies}.
2) Necropolis Bundle {or at the very least Necro IV}
3) Vale of Twilight
4) Gianthold
5) Sands of Menechtarun
6) Vault of Night
7) Shadowfell Expansion
8) Landlubber Bundle {or at the very least 3 Barrel Cove}
9) Devil Assault

Those are the biggies.

P.S. Someone's bound to mention Delera's Graveyard but as you've been VIP I'm guessing you already have the Voice of the Master {which is the only reason to buy that pack}.

I would probably move Vault of Night up a couple of places and possibly Devil Assault depending on if the OP is staying in Epics or TRing a lot, but otherwise a **** solid list Fran :)

Stoner81.

[Chi_Ryu]

2) Necropolis Bundle {or at the very least Necro IV}

Unless it has changed recently, you cannot use Necro IV without first buying I, otherwise you cannot access the Necropolis area. Very disappointing when I realised this on an alt account, but managed to get the TP refunded for the pack I couldn't use.

(Monster manuals were also like that, you couldn't buy them out of order)

[Knobull]

Since cancelling VIP, I have not bought:

- Necropolis I-IV, because it is just an inventory stuffer.
- Vale, because Let Sleeping Dust Lie.
- Thunderholme, because just level 30 raids.

But have bought most everything else. :)

[junior_w]

Unless it has changed recently, you cannot use Necro IV without first buying I, otherwise you cannot access the Necropolis area. Very disappointing when I realised this on an alt account, but managed to get the TP refunded for the pack I couldn't use.

(Monster manuals were also like that, you couldn't buy them out of order)

I'm pretty sure I only own Necro IV and I can access the Necropolis public area, at least it was that way years ago.

[unbongwah]

FYI, OP, Turbine usually puts the expansions on sale for Black Friday (Nov. 25th this year), so if you can wait a month and a half, you should be able to save a lot of money on MotU and Shadowfell. If you buy the MotU SE (http://store.turbine.com/store/turbine/en_US/pd/ThemeID.29252200/productID.246618200/categoryID.58516100), you get four extra adventure packs and other account perks, so that's the one I always recommend first.

As for which packs to prioritize, it largely depends on where your focus is: heroic leveling for HTRs? Epic leveling for ERs / ITRs? Endgame raiding / gear farming? Although I would say the two most popular packs are still Gianthold (http://ddowiki.com/page/Ruins_of_Gianthold) and Vale of Twilight (http://ddowiki.com/page/Vale_of_twilight), so those are usually my first suggestions after the expansions.

[HastyPudding]

Since cancelling VIP, I have not bought:

- Necropolis I-IV, because it is just an inventory stuffer.
- Vale, because Let Sleeping Dust Lie.
- Thunderholme, because just level 30 raids.

But have bought most everything else. :)

- Necro 1-4 are good for heroic exp, especially quests like bloody/shadow crypts, and litany. Necro 4 has some great gear for epics, and epic orchard slayers are arguable the fastest in the game.
- No vale? No greensteel or legendary greensteel? No vale slayers in heroics? That's a ton of missing stuff.
- Thunderholme raids aren't run much, anymore, but it's not hard to make a thunderforged weapon without completing it. Also, the slayer area is great experience.

[decease]

In order:

1) Menace of the Underdark Expansion {or at the very least - Epic Destinies}.
2) Necropolis Bundle {or at the very least Necro IV}
3) Vale of Twilight
4) Gianthold
5) Sands of Menechtarun
6) Vault of Night
7) Shadowfell Expansion
8) Landlubber Bundle {or at the very least 3 Barrel Cove}
9) Devil Assault

Those are the biggies.


P.S. Someone's bound to mention Delera's Graveyard but as you've been VIP I'm guessing you already have the Voice of the Master {which is the only reason to buy that pack}.

do not get Necropolis Bundle unless you have friend that can play with you, this pack require a lot team work. and mostly impossible to solo.

Shadowfell Expansion- is straight forward and hard, with some moderate equipment. not much fun and questing can be very frustrating if you can't deal with MASS SPAWN. i wouldn't recommend it.



what i would recommend:
Delera's tomb- very good for leveling, and solo friendly. very good exp and ML5 5% exp trinket which come in fairly handy.
Haunted hall of eveningstar- quite big and fun.. loot are ok
Attack on stormreach- decent exp and fun pack. with moderate loot(and a new crafting system)
vale of twilight- decent exp.. but green steel require alot of grind!! i mean alot..

p.s. the new slave lord pack look good, though i don't own it.. also.. don't bother yourself with toee, it is very boring and grind feast. the gear aren't even that good. not worth it imo.

[Knobull]

- No vale? No greensteel or legendary greensteel? No vale slayers in heroics? That's a ton of missing stuff.

Yup, it is. I still enjoy the rest of the game though, so that's OK. I do like some of those quests though. Right now I'm grinding for tokens of the twelve to do my first TR (after seven years of play). Now I understand why people play Epics, you have to if you want to TR without paying money.

[spyder7723]

Yup, it is. I still enjoy the rest of the game though, so that's OK. I do like some of those quests though. Right now I'm grinding for tokens of the twelve to do my first TR (after seven years of play). Now I understand why people play Epics, you have to if you want to TR without paying money.


Devil assault on epic normal with 5 friends. 2 runs and you got more than enough tokens and frags to get a heart of wood.

As for what packs to buy, id buy all of them but maybe put off a few until they were on sale. Namely the low level stuff like sharn syndicate and catacombs. Also the midlevel ones like chain of madness, threnal, cult of the six. Obviously each of us will have different ideas on what they would buy but you asked for input so here is mine.

Must haves in my opinion, not just epic level game play but to make the heroic levels not drag forever. Emphasis on big and fast xp for the questing level. In no particular order:

Necro 1 to 4 (every quest can be soled with a hireling except 1 in necro 1. It requires a normal hireling that can summon, you, and a gold seal hireling. The entire series of necro is amazing xp.


Vale of twilight. Great xp. Side note: Regular greensteel requires no grind, just plat. Run the raid once for the shards and buy the ingredients, heck most people got hundreds of smalls and mediums they will give away.

Gianthold.

3bc.

Von.

Desert.

Attack on stormreach i think it's called. The one house d chain that has the tide turns in it.

Both expansions.

Devil assault for token farming and greensteel mats.

Pick the rest up as they come on sale.

[Knobull]

Devil assault on epic normal with 5 friends. 2 runs and you got more than enough tokens and frags to get a heart of wood.

Wow, whole tokens (not fragments?)! On epic normal?! (I have yet to see a whole token running EH.) Enough to TR in just two runs? Oh wait... you are suggesting that five others pass their fragments and tokens to one player to achieve this? Will it work solo? Will you still get whole tokens instead of fragments? If so, I may just buy that pack. Otherwise I might as well just continue the grind and save my TP.

[EllisDee37]

Wow, whole tokens (not fragments?)! On epic normal?! (I have yet to see a whole token running EH.) Enough to TR in just two runs? Oh wait... you are suggesting that five others pass their fragments and tokens to one player to achieve this? Will it work solo? Will you still get whole tokens instead of fragments? If so, I may just buy that pack. Otherwise I might as well just continue the grind and save my TP.EH and EE give fragments. EN gives whole tokens.

[FranOhmsford]

Wow, whole tokens (not fragments?)! On epic normal?! (I have yet to see a whole token running EH.) Enough to TR in just two runs? Oh wait... you are suggesting that five others pass their fragments and tokens to one player to achieve this? Will it work solo? Will you still get whole tokens instead of fragments? If so, I may just buy that pack. Otherwise I might as well just continue the grind and save my TP.

You're joking right?

You do realise that Devil Assault on EN has given whole tokens for as long as anyone can remember!

Maybe 30% of the time you'll get a second token!

Oh but this is ONLY on Epic Normal!

[spyder7723]

Wow, whole tokens (not fragments?)! On epic normal?! (I have yet to see a whole token running EH.) Enough to TR in just two runs? Oh wait... you are suggesting that five others pass their fragments and tokens to one player to achieve this? Will it work solo? Will you still get whole tokens instead of fragments? If so, I may just buy that pack. Otherwise I might as well just continue the grind and save my TP.

Literally just ran it with my wife to kill some time before dinner. Between the two of us we got 4 full tokens.

On epic normal you almost always get 1 token and a large stack of frags. And about 30 percent of the time that stack of frags is instead a full token. I also got 2 large, 1 medium, and 2 small gs mats. She for more but i didn't count them, just hit loot all fire her. (I ran the quest while she cooked dinner)

So yes it works solo, but obviously takes longer. However, you can put an lfm up stating you need tokens and people can join you in progress and pass you the tokens. I have never failed to get 5 people (assuming normal hours) willing to do this. They get decent xp and gs mats, you get tokens. Just remember not to pop the chest until after the final boss that way those that join late don't miss the chests.

Edit to clarify: on epic normal you get full tokens. On hard and elite one token is replaced in the loot tables worth an extra large mat. At least this is what i have noticed running it over the years.

Also every epic elite quest that can drop fragments, will always drop a full token instead. So if you can handle epic elite that is another option.

[Wh070aa]

Gianthood (basically only worth vile armor source in game)
Vault of Night (Best endgame Xp quest is von 4)
Vale of Twilight (Legendary green steel, and green steel, if you want to farm for it, I personally don't wanna, and kinda regret buying it. I hate Vale.)
Delera's Graveyard (for leveling reasons, if you TR or make new characters a lot)
Shadow Under Thunderholme (Tunderforged gear)

All the expansions (you probably have them since they are not free for VIP). They are bundled with Epic destinies and other necessary(or nice to have) stuff. Evening star has good endgame stuff, and good XP.

Optional -
Cronoscope (if you don't have stuff from it)
Red fens - Great level 7 gear, fast epic token farming. Meh XP, and meh epic gear, but it still works.
Attack on Stormreach (if you don't have stuff from it)
Necro 4 (all the easy to get decent gear, good XP) Other necro quests are tedious as ****, but you might want to buy whole bundle.
The Dreaming Dark- the +6 to stat min level 5 trinkets for TR.
Catacombs- For favor farming on low level characters.

Remember any TP you get from favor farming are free! So do all those elites you can unlock while you can. Not being able to unlock elites to favor farm sucks.

[Uska]

do not get Necropolis Bundle unless you have friend that can play with you, this pack require a lot team work. and mostly impossible to solo.

Shadowfell Expansion- is straight forward and hard, with some moderate equipment. not much fun and questing can be very frustrating if you can't deal with MASS SPAWN. i wouldn't recommend it.



what i would recommend:
Delera's tomb- very good for leveling, and solo friendly. very good exp and ML5 5% exp trinket which come in fairly handy.
Haunted hall of eveningstar- quite big and fun.. loot are ok
Attack on stormreach- decent exp and fun pack. with moderate loot(and a new crafting system)
vale of twilight- decent exp.. but green steel require alot of grind!! i mean alot..

p.s. the new slave lord pack look good, though i don't own it.. also.. don't bother yourself with toee, it is very boring and grind feast. the gear aren't even that good. not worth it imo.

I would put Delera's near the top of any list

[spyder7723]

I would put Delera's near the top of any list

While it is good xp, at those levels there is other options so it doesn't make the must have last imo. Gianthold for example, is at the level range in heroics that there just isn't very many other options offering as good of xp.

[Chi_Ryu]

I'm pretty sure I only own Necro IV and I can access the Necropolis public area, at least it was that way years ago.

Just checked and it seems you are right. I obviously have misremembered, so my apologies.

[EllisDee37]

While it is good xp, at those levels there is other options so it doesn't make the must have last imo. Gianthold for example, is at the level range in heroics that there just isn't very many other options offering as good of xp.Agreed.

When they revamped Three Barrel Cove it severely undercut the utility of Delera's.

[Uska]

- Necro 1-4 are good for heroic exp, especially quests like bloody/shadow crypts, and litany. Necro 4 has some great gear for epics, and epic orchard slayers are arguable the fastest in the game.
- No vale? No greensteel or legendary greensteel? No vale slayers in heroics? That's a ton of missing stuff.
- Thunderholme raids aren't run much, anymore, but it's not hard to make a thunderforged weapon without completing it. Also, the slayer area is great experience.

Haven't ran necro in years the xp isn't needed, greensteel meh 99% of my characters don't have or need it

[Uska]

While it is good xp, at those levels there is other options so it doesn't make the must have last imo. Gianthold for example, is at the level range in heroics that there just isn't very many other options offering as good of xp.

its is very good for at least a first life and its more fun than those other options and I never run gianthold any more.

[spyder7723]

its is very good for at least a first life and its more fun than those other options and I never run gianthold any more.

Agreed on a first life. It's great to get the voice. But in the context of a vip dropping their subscription, well they already have the voice on their characters so the pack purchase drops on the priority list. At the same time i would say gianthold is a must for a first life due to it being the first big spike in the learning curve. (With all the changes in the last ten years this may no longer be true but once upon a time it certainly was. All those con dumped zero fort drow rogues and rangers that steam rolled their way to level 11/12ish found out exactly why we had been telling them all along that con was not a dump stat)

Obviously there is no right or wrong answer on tips such as this cause it all boils down to what each one of us would rather run. Perfect example: you haven't stepped into gianthold in years, it's practically all i run in levels 15 and 16.

[LucidLTS]

Hello all! :)

After stopping my VIP, I have enough Turbine Points to buy many other adventure packs, and I can buy more with real money if so needs be. What are the most important and most played adventure packs out there, what should I get?

Thanks ahead,
Itaimar.

That very much depends on your play style - how do you like to play? Fran's list is pretty good without knowing more about you, but telling us your style can help a lot.

For example, I prefer Heroics (and flower sniff at that) and TR in low epics, so Shadowfell was largely a waste of money for me. I still find MOTU good for the destinies, and the iconics were fun to build quick bank mules, but I don't play many of the Shadowfell quests.

I also don't do much raiding, and do like to play ranged characters, so getting Red Fens & Sorrowdusk for the price of VON gave me both Kunderak & Denieth favor unlock for the price of Kunderak alone. I own VON, but have set foot in the raid exactly once in the last 2 years.

If you prefer to solo or run with one friend, much of the Necro is very solo/short unfriendly if you aren't uber. Mechanics like 4 simultaneous pressure plates to open a mandatory gate. I enjoy Orchard wilderness, but if you aren't after max XP per minute, your money is probably better spent elsewhere rather than on Necro 1-3. Tangleroot is fun for the story, but the level range can be frustrating if you chase XP per minute.

I don't mean to suggest that these choices would be for everyone, just an illustration of how your playstyle affects the definition of "good pack". If I had to start over on a new account, I'd only buy about half of what's on Fran's list (MOTU, DA, Sands, Gianthold, Vale) and fill in the rest with other packs.

Oh, and my wife didn't buy Necro 1 after hearing me curse about pressure plates, but she can still join me in the Orchard, so the the problem of access was either fixed or new (or both, because testing is hard!)

And one last thought, depending on the version of MOTU you get, you might get some packs with it, so decide on that first. And take your time, look at what's in the LFM panel. You don't have to decide in a day.

[FranOhmsford]

Agreed on a first life. It's great to get the voice. But in the context of a vip dropping their subscription, well they already have the voice on their characters so the pack purchase drops on the priority list. At the same time i would say gianthold is a must for a first life due to it being the first big spike in the learning curve. (With all the changes in the last ten years this may no longer be true but once upon a time it certainly was. All those con dumped zero fort drow rogues and rangers that steam rolled their way to level 11/12ish found out exactly why we had been telling them all along that con was not a dump stat)

Obviously there is no right or wrong answer on tips such as this cause it all boils down to what each one of us would rather run. Perfect example: you haven't stepped into gianthold in years, it's practically all i run in levels 15 and 16.

Gianthold is actually the EASIEST content of it's level today! Well along with Mired in Kobolds - Because all the new content put in to beef up the available xp at lvs 13-16 is significantly more difficult! {And Orchard was always more difficult anyway}.

A newbie 1st Lifer buying say Archons Trial or Devils Gambit over Gianthold or Orchard is going to be in for a rude surprise when they actually try to complete those chains!


As for Delera's - I find it the single most boring pack in the entire game - Skeletons, Skeletons and more Ghostly Skeletons {Catacombs has MORE VARIETY!}! Voice isn't that big a loss anymore {though if you lose VIP bonus when you drop VIP it might make up for it} and neither is Carnifex {not that the d@mn thing ever drops anyway!} these days - None of the rest of the loot was ever worth picking up anyway except maybe the UMD item which is now surpassed by random loot!

Oh and Lvl 5 has more than enough content to completely skip Phiarlan Carnival on a THIRD Life! I skip Mystery of Delera's Tomb, Lair of Summoning and Chamber of Insanity as well on 1st and 2nd Lives
It's very easy to either run Mystery at Lvl 9 forsaking BB on that one quest so as to run it the same time as the rest of the Chain {Levelling up to 10 before running Thrall} OR to just skip the entire Chain! Because I can always do Red Fens or Threnal to catch back up at Lvl 10/11 instead! {Otherwise I just skip Fens and Threnal as well as Carnival.}.


3 Barrel Cove is now an absolute must have - Buy the Landlubber Bundle that also gives Attack on Stormreach and Sentinels of Stormreach.

[Uska]

Gianthold is actually the EASIEST content of it's level today! Well along with Mired in Kobolds - Because all the new content put in to beef up the available xp at lvs 13-16 is significantly more difficult! {And Orchard was always more difficult anyway}.

A newbie 1st Lifer buying say Archons Trial or Devils Gambit over Gianthold or Orchard is going to be in for a rude surprise when they actually try to complete those chains!


As for Delera's - I find it the single most boring pack in the entire game - Skeletons, Skeletons and more Ghostly Skeletons {Catacombs has MORE VARIETY!}! Voice isn't that big a loss anymore {though if you lose VIP bonus when you drop VIP it might make up for it} and neither is Carnifex {not that the d@mn thing ever drops anyway!} these days - None of the rest of the loot was ever worth picking up anyway except maybe the UMD item which is now surpassed by random loot!

Oh and Lvl 5 has more than enough content to completely skip Phiarlan Carnival on a THIRD Life! I skip Mystery of Delera's Tomb, Lair of Summoning and Chamber of Insanity as well on 1st and 2nd Lives
It's very easy to either run Mystery at Lvl 9 forsaking BB on that one quest so as to run it the same time as the rest of the Chain {Levelling up to 10 before running Thrall} OR to just skip the entire Chain! Because I can always do Red Fens or Threnal to catch back up at Lvl 10/11 instead! {Otherwise I just skip Fens and Threnal as well as Carnival.}.


3 Barrel Cove is now an absolute must have - Buy the Landlubber Bundle that also gives Attack on Stormreach and Sentinels of Stormreach.

I do delera's because I enjoy it I skip carnival, Fens and therenal because I don't

[morkahn82]

DDO is a pretty cheap game if you just consider content (i.e. races/classes, adventures packs and expansions) and disregard p2w or cosmetics. I'd say get every pack and expansion. This is the right way to support the development of the game. Better than rewarding tome increments and sold experience which is straight p2w and bad design.

[Wh070aa]

DDO is a pretty cheap game if you just consider content (i.e. races/classes, adventures packs and expansions) and disregard p2w or cosmetics. I'd say get every pack and expansion. This is the right way to support the development of the game. Better than rewarding tome increments and sold experience which is straight p2w and bad design.

It's not that cheap man. Its like 200-300 dollars total, depending if you get all the bank slots and stuff like that, and how much point grinding you do. You can get around 75 to 100 TP per hour invested, if you are really good at it, so you can get a lot of things if you grind till your eyes bleed, but its not worth it IMO.

[FranOhmsford]

I do delera's because I enjoy it I skip carnival, Fens and therenal because I don't

I skip all four on 1st and 2nd Lives!

I'd happily skip all four on ALL Lives!

But that doesn't matter - The reason Delera's isn't in my list has nothing to do with me disliking it and everything to do with the fact that it's no longer anything like the necessity it once was!
There's a lot more xp in the game now than there was back in the day for one!
Carnifex isn't the be-all and end-all anymore for low levels!
The UMD Necklace{?} is outdone by RNG now!
The rest of the loot was always meh at best!
AND MOST OF THE ALL THE OP IS AN EX VIP WHO LIKELY ALREADY HAS VOICE!

The OP was asking for the most important packs to own NOT THE ONES YOU ENJOY RUNNING!
Delera's is no longer one of the most important packs and especially not for someone who likely already has the Voice {or the Mantle from Threnal or Experienced Evil from ToEE}.

[EllisDee37]

Carnifex {not that the d@mn thing ever drops anyway!}I've pointed this out to you before: Carnifex is guaranteed to drop in every third completion of the chain. 100% chance.

[spyder7723]

I do delera's because I enjoy it I skip carnival, Fens and therenal because I don't

I wouldn't say i enjoy deleras but i don't hate it. It's decent xp, not 3bc or the pit holy cow good, but decent. And threnal isnt bad either. I run both just to make more masters gift augments and if I'm gonna run it, it might as well be when i can max xp. Now that cannith crafting is bta instead of btc, I'll need less of those augments so eventuality i won't have a need to step into either again.


Speaking of the pit and 3bc, i can not stress enough how good the changes to quest ransack and lowered xp requirements for tring was. Combined they cut the xp grind in half. It completely changed the way i run heroics. No longer am i forced to save the good xp quests till later. Now is hit them early and hit them often.

[FranOhmsford]

I've pointed this out to you before: Carnifex is guaranteed to drop in every third completion of the chain. 100% chance.

And I'm not running a Chain I hate 3x in a row on the SAME Character!

Guaranteed to drop on the 3rd run is useless to me because I don't like running a chain multiple times in the first place - The main reason I went VIP 5 years ago and have stayed VIP ever since!

BUT
I do have many multiple characters and have run Delera's as well as most of the rest of the quests in game many multiple times! - Carnifex has dropped for me maybe twice in 6 years!
I think that many newbies who buy this chain also won't know this tidbit about guaranteed 3rd completion award AND my beef is still with the super low random drop rate of the axe as compared to other named items.

[spyder7723]

It's not that cheap man. Its like 200-300 dollars total, depending if you get all the bank slots and stuff like that, and how much point grinding you do. You can get around 75 to 100 TP per hour invested, if you are really good at it, so you can get a lot of things if you grind till your eyes bleed, but its not worth it IMO.

That's dirt cheap. Compared to a console or single player pc game that you might get 40 to 60 hours of entertainment out of for 70ish bucks, vs literally thousands of hours.

Or compared to any other form of entertainment it becomes so cheap i should feel guilty. it costs me a hundred bucks to take my family to a 90 minute movie. Want dinner after? Ya that's another 175 to 200.

Now for a broke college kid 200+ is a good chunk to drop at once, but spread out over time, chump change. Once a month skip the friday night six pack or pizza and buy an adventure pack instead.

[Uska]

I skip all four on 1st and 2nd Lives!

I'd happily skip all four on ALL Lives!

But that doesn't matter - The reason Delera's isn't in my list has nothing to do with me disliking it and everything to do with the fact that it's no longer anything like the necessity it once was!
There's a lot more xp in the game now than there was back in the day for one!
Carnifex isn't the be-all and end-all anymore for low levels!
The UMD Necklace{?} is outdone by RNG now!
The rest of the loot was always meh at best!
AND MOST OF THE ALL THE OP IS AN EX VIP WHO LIKELY ALREADY HAS VOICE!

The OP was asking for the most important packs to own NOT THE ONES YOU ENJOY RUNNING!
Delera's is no longer one of the most important packs and especially not for someone who likely already has the Voice {or the Mantle from Threnal or Experienced Evil from ToEE}.

If they aren't enjoyable they are the reverse of important as they number one criteria over absolutely anything else is that it be fun

[Uska]

I wouldn't say i enjoy deleras but i don't hate it. It's decent xp, not 3bc or the pit holy cow good, but decent. And threnal isnt bad either. I run both just to make more masters gift augments and if I'm gonna run it, it might as well be when i can max xp. Now that cannith crafting is bta instead of btc, I'll need less of those augments so eventuality i won't have a need to step into either again.


Speaking of the pit and 3bc, i can not stress enough how good the changes to quest ransack and lowered xp requirements for tring was. Combined they cut the xp grind in half. It completely changed the way i run heroics. No longer am i forced to save the good xp quests till later. Now is hit them early and hit them often.

Hate 3bc and the pit only thing enjoy more than deleras is stormcleave I use to like STK until they made it to easy and the orginal harbour quests when you still had to do low road to get out of the lower market

[spyder7723]

And I'm not running a Chain I hate 3x in a row on the SAME Character!

Guaranteed to drop on the 3rd run is useless to me because I don't like running a chain multiple times in the first place - The main reason I went VIP 5 years ago and have stayed VIP ever since!

BUT
I do have many multiple characters and have run Delera's as well as most of the rest of the quests in game many multiple times! - Carnifex has dropped for me maybe twice in 6 years!
I think that many newbies who buy this chain also won't know this tidbit about guaranteed 3rd completion award AND my beef is still with the super low random drop rate of the axe as compared to other named items.



It's a bta item and guaranteed to be there the third time. That makes it a 100 percent chance of getting the item. With those facts in mind, your arguement is just a rant. Also your arguement about the new player doesnt hold water. The vast majority of folks, new and old, look at what a pack offers then before buying. A simple google search will lead them to the wiki which clearly explains the 3rd time gauranteed end reward mechanic. Not just for this chain, but for several others.

There is a lot of ridiculous gear grind in this game worthy of complaint. To complain about some low level twink weapon that is gauranteed to drop in three simple fast completions is just silly. Go farm an ross or esos if you want to see abysmal drop rates.

[EllisDee37]

And I'm not running a Chain I hate 3x in a row on the SAME Character!

Guaranteed to drop on the 3rd run is useless to me because I don't like running a chain multiple times in the first place - The main reason I went VIP 5 years ago and have stayed VIP ever since!

BUT
I do have many multiple characters and have run Delera's as well as most of the rest of the quests in game many multiple times! - Carnifex has dropped for me maybe twice in 6 years!
I think that many newbies who buy this chain also won't know this tidbit about guaranteed 3rd completion award AND my beef is still with the super low random drop rate of the axe as compared to other named items.Whatever your personal preferences, you don't get to complain about an item "never dropping" when it's guaranteed to drop every third completion.

[FranOhmsford]

It's a bta item and guaranteed to be there the third time. That makes it a 100 percent chance of getting the item.

IF the player accepts having to run the entire chain 3x on the same character!

Yes it's BtA but you can {and I have} run this chain dozens of times over multiple alts and never see this Axe drop! {Yes I have seen it drop but with over 50 characters and many on 2nd, 3rd and even more lives I've run this Chain possibly 100+ times!}.

You're also forgetting that by the time you've run 3x Delera's you're likely already past the point where this axe is at it's best and chances are you're parking it in your bank for your next life {which there's every chance a newbie will never even reach, the number who give up on their first life is very very high indeed!}.

If you've got a capped alt to farm it on then you've likely already been around a while and have a number of other packs or are VIP - Which is not an argument for this Chain being amongst the most important, quite the opposite as you managed to cap without it or the voice!


There is a lot of ridiculous gear grind in this game worthy of complaint. To complain about some low level twink weapon that is gauranteed to drop in three simple fast completions is just silly. Go farm an ross or esos if you want to see abysmal drop rates.

Oh don't get me started on SoS and RoSS.

Suffice to say I have mutliple Swords {ty anniversary event - I had 3 already anyway but now many alts have got them}, 3 Seals, 3 Scrolls and exactly ZERO Shards!

And there's no point even attempting to farm an E-RoSS - It's a Fluke item!

[spyder7723]

If they aren't enjoyable they are the reverse of important as they number one criteria over absolutely anything else is that it be fun


This we absolutely agree on. But that also makes it impossible to say which is the most important. All we can say is these are the most important to ME.

[spyder7723]

Did i read that right? You have 50 characters? And have chosen to run a chain you hate over a hundred times vs 3 times(per acvount)to gain the ability to pass the item to every other character?

Maybe it's just me but this seems to be a very foolish decision.

[FranOhmsford]

you don't get to complain

Uh, yes I do, I just did and sorry but you can't stop me!


It's supposed to be still available on a 1st run - I never heard anything said about it ONLY appearing in the 3rd List yet since that list became a thing I haven't seen a single Carnifex drop {those I did get I got before the 3rd completion was introduced!}.


Voice is a Guaranteed Drop - It appears in the End List every single time - This again is an argument AGAINST buying Delera's {so long as you only have one main Character} as if you can get it a Guestpass will do.
Carnifex is NOT a Guaranteed Drop because it requires you FARM the Chain - 3x Same Character, Same Life {Now if the Devs want to make the 3rd Completion cross TRs.....but as far as I know that isn't a thing!}.



Delera's is way down the list for me behind Catacombs, Tangleroot and IQ1+2 as well as the 9 must haves mentioned earlier in this thread. {It's not in the bottom three though - That's Reign of Madness, Heart of Madness and Reaver's Refuge!}.

[FranOhmsford]

Did i read that right? You have 50 characters? And have chosen to run a chain you hate over a hundred times vs 3 times(per acvount)to gain the ability to pass the item to every other character?

Maybe it's just me but this seems to be a very foolish decision.

lol - Chosen isn't the word I'd use.

Each one of those Characters was going to run this Chain no matter what so literally by creating the character I "chose" to run this chain on that character - The "Choice" I actually made was NOT to run it 3x on the same one in one life {well at least once I went VIP and no longer had to run N and H first!}.

TBH the Carni's I did get I have no idea which characters have them and I haven't seen them in years because the characters that did {maybe still do} stuck them in the bank long ago!
I also rarely move actually worn gear between characters - A natural effect of playing so many - and so I'm of the opinion that anything that requires any farming whatsoever on a single character is not worth my time {If it drops on another character that doesn't need it it will get passed through shared bank anyway}.

I did farm Antique Greataxes and Utility Vests from Carnival back in the day {I have multiple Epic Utility Vests on various Rogues & Artis and an Epic Antique my H-Orc Barb still regularly uses} and Carnifex is far far rarer and not to me any better - I actually prefer the Antique!

[Uska]

Did i read that right? You have 50 characters? And have chosen to run a chain you hate over a hundred times vs 3 times(per acvount)to gain the ability to pass the item to every other character?

Maybe it's just me but this seems to be a very foolish decision.

I have more than 50 characters across all the servers maybe that's why I only have one completionist and no he's no triple or epic completionist double yeah but it takes me longer because I don't play stuff I don't enjoy, all my characters (over 100 actually) have the masters voice.

[EllisDee37]

Uh, yes I do, I just did and sorry but you can't stop me!I do get to laugh at the ridiculousness of your complaint, though. A guaranteed drop never drops...that's a good one.

[spyder7723]

Whatever your personal preferences, you don't get to complain about an item "never dropping" when it's guaranteed to drop every third completion.


While i get where you are coming from, i disagree. Every one has the right to voice their opinion, no matter how foolish you or i may think it is. We all have our gripes, im sure he or she would think some of my gripes are just as foolish.

[theseriousone23]

My personal preference would be:

1) Menace of the Underdark Expansion
2) Gianthold
3) Vault of the Night
4) Vale of Twilight
5) Sands of Menechtarun
6) Necro 4
7) Devil Assault

Gianthold can be played as daily xps from lv 12-16. Once you're familiar enough w/ a good char you can easily zerg all of GH in an hour. MotU and GH are also right around the Iconic lv 15 mark so its often some of the first played quests for iconic lives.

[spyder7723]

Id also get the druids curse pack also just for fast seed farming of planning iconic or epic reincarnations.

[spyder7723]

I have more than 50 characters across all the servers maybe that's why I only have one completionist and no he's no triple or epic completionist double yeah but it takes me longer because I don't play stuff I don't enjoy, all my characters (over 100 actually) have the masters voice.

I have 22 character slots. 5 of them have gone to 20 atleast once. The rest are nothing but pack mules. And 2 of those 5 haven't been played in several years. All on 1 server. And not a single completionist. Unless you count epic completionist, which i have on 1 and slowly working the heroics out. My play time is limited, and runs in spurts, mainly during my slow season at work, so when i do play, i play to maximize xp.

[itaimar]

Thank you all for your help. It was a mistake not to mention my play style, but it seems that there are answers for any play style in this thread, so I have received my answers. Thank you all again :)

[morkahn82]

It's not that cheap man. Its like 200-300 dollars total, depending if you get all the bank slots and stuff like that, and how much point grinding you do. You can get around 75 to 100 TP per hour invested, if you are really good at it, so you can get a lot of things if you grind till your eyes bleed, but its not worth it IMO.

When buying points on sale and then buying adventure packs/ expansions/ classes / races on sale it is even cheaper. Additionally you can get a lot of tps ingame, when doing a TR or completionist. In my case it is just a small fraction of the amount you noted. Of course you can not get it that cheap instantly, rather than watching the sales and actually playing the game.

[J-2]

For a crafter paladin, Temple of elemental evil is great.

You can solo on epic normal at about 25th level. You can get almost 300K xp per run provided you explore it in its entirity, get aggression bonus, ransack bonus, and 750 kill bonus plus completion. Dont kill the spiders nests too early. They are perfect for propping down the attack key and then leaving the room for up to 10 minutes.

You also get your toee gear, mushrooms to upgrade toee gear, and high level equipment to huck into the deconstructer. Also have Otis to repair your gear without leaving.

Lastly, 40K guild renown per trip for a member of a small guild.

Will take 3-4 hours though, and can be aggrevating sometimes. Not for the impatient.