Monster Manual 7 - Drow

[Ed_Conn]

Bought the new monster manual yesterday. Ran Von3 tonight, but the drow section of the monster manual still shows 0 kills. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

Ed

[Aedra1]

Bought the new monster manual yesterday. Ran Von3 tonight, but the drow section of the monster manual still shows 0 kills. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

Ed


I was disappointed as well, then looked closer at the description of Drow in the Manual... "...the Drow of Faerun...." Not really fair since there are many Drown on the Eberron side.

[Ed_Conn]

Ok Thanks. That's better than not working... I suppose.

[Coyopa]

I was disappointed as well, then looked closer at the description of Drow in the Manual... "...the Drow of Faerun...." Not really fair since there are many Drown on the Eberron side.

And even that is strange since the Drow in Searing Heights are NOT from Faerun, yet they populate the manual entries.

[Coyopa]

Ok Thanks. That's better than not working... I suppose.

Only nominally better. However, the quality and pride in their work evident here is at least in line with the quality and pride in their work evident in the last several updates. Of course, that doesn't mean I understand why they set the bar so low for themselves and somehow manage to lower it further every update.

[JOTMON]

I was disappointed as well, then looked closer at the description of Drow in the Manual... "...the Drow of Faerun...." Not really fair since there are many Drown on the Eberron side.

Interesting, I guess this is an FR edition Monster Manual, where you need to have purchased the expansions to be able to fill this volume of the manual..
I didn't see that in the description for the purchase option of volume7 of the Monster Manual..
Yuan-ti
Werewolf
Drow
Bear
Drider
Dretch
Draegloth
Glabrezu
Monstrous Plant
Purple Worm

Its strange they would code Drow differently for the monster manual, even though they are technically different.
Titling it 'Drow' .. is pretty generic.., ..seems more like a bug than intent.
I would think they would have been more specific for Eberron Drow and FR drow in the description if they intended to have them tracked separately.

Are the other races like Humans from Eberron and FR going to be different too?

[Coyopa]

Interesting, I guess this is an FR edition Monster Manual, where you need to have purchased the expansions to be able to fill this volume of the manual..
I didn't see that in the description for the purchase option of volume7 of the Monster Manual..

They should add that to the description. Definitely. When you look at the monsters added, most (other than just drow?) are only in Faerun.

[DANTEIL]

I was disappointed as well, then looked closer at the description of Drow in the Manual... "...the Drow of Faerun...." Not really fair since there are many Drown on the Eberron side.


That's strange. Seems like it would be harder to code "Drow (Faerun)" separately from "Drow (Eberron)" for purposes of the Monster Manual, compared to just a single code for all "Drow."

I ran Servants of the Overlord last night and the Drow there did count toward the new MM, but I guess those are Faerun Drow invading Eberron :)

[Dragavon]

I was disappointed as well, then looked closer at the description of Drow in the Manual... "...the Drow of Faerun...." Not really fair since there are many Drown on the Eberron side.

We ran the house D epics and Red Fens last night, got lots of drow from those.

I do have the expansion pack though.

[KookieKobold]

The VoN3 Drow are meant to count towards this monster manual. I'm investigating into this further!


Thanks for the reports.

[AlcoArgo]

The VoN3 Drow are meant to count towards this monster manual. I'm investigating into this further!


Thanks for the reports.

Well then. Problem solved.

[Coyopa]

Well then. Problem solved.

I suppose hope springs eternal. And then it gets squashed by Turbine QA. Turbine cannot abide hope. It is an anomaly and will cause their entire system to fail.

[Ague]

When I was updating the YourDDO MM, I also noticed that the Drow (Luridae in particular) did not count. So my initial thought was that it was only FR Drow, but then I ran Monastery and OoB and those counted so my theory was disproved... If you guys find any others that don't properly count in the in-game MM, let me know so I can update the MM on YourDDO to reflect that they are bugged.

[CSQ]

Eberron Drow do seem to mostly count. I've snagged some from the Sharn Syndicate, the Blood Tide, The Faithful Dead, and the Sulatar (and the Xoriat Codex I want to say, but I didn't notice whether they incremented or not) to name a few for sure. So yes, you can get Eberron Drow, unless they're bugged.

[Aedra1]

I had only run Von3 when I first responded but see that the OOB Drow did count.

[Deadlock]

Bought the new monster manual yesterday. Ran Von3 tonight, but the drow section of the monster manual still shows 0 kills. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

Ed

You're not missing anything. There are an increasing number of missing mobs that go back to the Prologue volume released with update 15, released August 20th, 2012.

Every now and again some of these get fixed. Once or twice there's been a concerted effort to fill in the missing mobs. All we can do is report the ones that are missing and hope that resource is allocated to fix it.

[Huor_Twotrees]

I was very disappointing to learn that monsters killed prior to purchasing the Monster Manual do not count toward the deeds of the Monster Manual. That sort of info should be squeezed into the description of the item that is available prior to purchase.

I won't be buying any more.

[sithhound]

I was very disappointing to learn that monsters killed prior to purchasing the Monster Manual do not count toward the deeds of the Monster Manual. That sort of info should be squeezed into the description of the item that is available prior to purchase.

I won't be buying any more.

How would they keep track of what monsters you killed before the update? That's kind of the point of getting new monster manuals, to get new goals. What'd be the point if it auto-filled as soon as you got it?

[Kylstrem]

I was very disappointing to learn that monsters killed prior to purchasing the Monster Manual do not count toward the deeds of the Monster Manual. That sort of info should be squeezed into the description of the item that is available prior to purchase.

I won't be buying any more.

Wow! So you think Turbine is storing every kill of every mob type for every character on all the servers in their database in the event they release a Monster Manual that takes advantage of showing those numbers?!?! When the only use for those numbers is for a monster manual? With the Monster Manual concept still being a rather new feature of the game??!?!

Seriously?!?! This is your thought process??! and reasoning?!?!?

[Coyopa]

I was very disappointing to learn that monsters killed prior to purchasing the Monster Manual do not count toward the deeds of the Monster Manual. That sort of info should be squeezed into the description of the item that is available prior to purchase.

I won't be buying any more.

Well, if you'd stopped to think about it logically, then you'd have realized this is how it would work. That said, the monster manuals are well worth the purchase. You get experience from hitting the individual character goals and that resets every life. The account goals eventually grant you the ability to see the hitpoints of monsters of that type. Also, you get astral shards, mysterious remnants and other stuff from the account goals, including (sometimes) creature companions (if you're into that).

[Huor_Twotrees]

Wow! So you think Turbine is storing every kill of every mob type for every character on all the servers in their database in the event they release a Monster Manual that takes advantage of showing those numbers?!?! When the only use for those numbers is for a monster manual? With the Monster Manual concept still being a rather new feature of the game??!?!

Seriously?!?! This is your thought process??! and reasoning?!?!?

Why isn't it stored? It offers ways to offer a better product. That makes more sense than thanks for buying this but now the purchaser at level 17, they now need to go kill a bunch of kobolds to get any value out of it.

Is the problem data storage or programmers? Both are dirt cheap.

Seriously. Until reading this post, I had been enjoying the game.

[Coyopa]

Why isn't it stored? It offers ways to offer a better product. That makes more sense than thanks for buying this but now the purchaser at level 17, they now need to go kill a bunch of kobolds to get any value out of it.

Is the problem data storage or programmers? Both are dirt cheap.

Seriously. Until reading this post, I had been enjoying the game.

It isn't stored because it isn't needed to be stored before the monster manual is created for it. The problem isn't data storage or programmers. It's the fact that you don't write code to do things you don't need done. YAGNI: You Ain't Gonna Need It. You write code to meet the spec you have at the time you have it. So, if that spec doesn't say "Track Umberhulk kills", then you don't track Umberhulk kills just because you feel like it. When a junior developer sends me code that does **** that isn't in the spec, it gets sent back to have that code removed.

Also, did you miss the part where the account deeds accrue for kills made by all the characters on your account? How about the part where the character deeds reset when you true reincarnate? Also, why bother yourself about filling out kobold deeds when you're 17th level? They're worth nearly zip for experience at that point. It's not worth your time to fill those deeds out.

[Nuclear_Elvis]

If it matters, the Drow in Sands of Menechtarun do count to the new MM.
However, anyone else notice the new Plant category in the MM has a Beholder icon/picture there instead of a plant?

[Coyopa]

Something else I didn't get to say last night because I was interrupted by my wife is that while it's technically possible to track your kills even before you own the monster manual, doing so brings up other problems that would then have to be solved. Let's say you own no monster manuals, then buy the one with kobolds in it. Now, if you've already killed 3,000 kobolds this life, then you'll have missed out on all the experience and other awards that come with that number of kills. This means the game would have to check whether the player is due any awards every time every character logs into the game and, if so, then grant the award. This would be significant overhead because it would have to check every possible award for every monster in every volume of the monster manual. And it would have to do that for both character awards and account awards.

By my count, there are currently 75 different types of monsters being tracked across all volumes of the monster manual. You can double check my count here: http://ddowiki.com/page/Monster_manual#Monsters_by_Type_and_Volume. And there are typically at least 5 character and 5 account awards for each monster. For some there are 7 or 8 of each. However, since we know there are at least 5 of each for each monster, then we know there are at least 750 separate computations that would have to be performed for each character when it logs in (375 character awards and 375 account awards). And since we know that some, like spiders and drow, have at least 7 character awards, the true number of computations that would have to be done is going to be closer to 1000.

So, if you think logging in can be slow NOW, if they had coded it in this fashion then logging in would give you time to get coffee, check email, and probably use the bathroom (depending on how much email you've got). So, the way it's coded now is that it grants the award when the event triggers it and doesn't have to check this when you log in. And I would prefer to log in faster, rather than slower. Also, you should have expected the manuals to be empty because Turbine intends for it to take time to fill it up. Why are you surprised by this? I think it took me 6 character lives to complete all the spider account deeds. I don't know for sure because it was a long time ago. All I can say for sure is it took me a long time to complete those. I'm also glad the character deeds reset each life because it is a non-trivial amount of experience earned by completing those. So, OP, chill out and just fill up your monster manuals as you go. You'll get there eventually and not being there immediately at the start of owning them isn't a big deal.

[Gabrael]

Quest: Monastery of the Scorpion - in Reaver's refuge

Mockery Monks are NOT being added to the MM, but the other kinds of drows are.