Windows 10 shoved down my throat?

[MisterFrump]

Why is it each time I open DDO, Firefox opens and tries to get me to install Windows 10?

Windows 10 is complete trash. It's so bugged, it's not funny. Over 1/2 the ER computers we have that Windows 10 was (so-called) 'upgraded' have frozen and the Start icon doesn't work, et cetera. It's ridiculous.

[Full_Bleed]

Why is it each time I open DDO, Firefox opens and tries to get me to install Windows 10?
Sounds like some kind of malware unrelated to either DDO or Windows 10. DDO does not auto-open Firefox. Nor will Windows 10. In fact, I'm sure they'd much rather you use Edge (note: I'm a Firefox and Chrome user myself).


Windows 10 is complete trash. It's so bugged, it's not funny. Over 1/2 the ER computers we have that Windows 10 was (so-called) 'upgraded' have frozen and the Start icon doesn't work, et cetera. It's ridiculous.
I have windows 10 on 4 desktops and 3 laptops. All with different hardware. All upgraded from Win7 and 8. Some computers up to 10 years old. Not a single problem with any of them. 10 is one of the most stable OS' I've ever used. I've also "assisted" at least half a dozen others when upgrading to Windows 10. No significant issues. And half of them are what I'd call technically challenged. They all thought it would be harder than it was.

Honestly, you might want to look more closely at the qualifications of your IT people.

[MisterFrump]

Honestly, you might want to look more closely at the qualifications of your IT people.

I wish I could quote that at work! Those IT guys walk around as if the world revolves around them :P

[dunklezhan]

Honestly, you might want to look more closely at the qualifications of your IT people.

Or the age of some of your systems. I think it sounds more like malware or a straight out config issue but work systems can be very old and wierd, and whilst usually if an application isn't compatible it just won't launch, that's not always the case, and if they're not running in the right compatibility modes or safely in a virtual bubble emulating the epoch the software came from you can have all kinds of wierdness - that was true in WinXP and win7 so I cant' imagine it'll be different in Win10.

But yeah, the OS on it's own? Just as stable as Win8 and 7.

[RD2play]

I had this same issue, it is a "nice thing" according to Criss or something from MS. if I ever meet him in person He can get a Free kick in the N***, because hey why wouldn't he want it? its free! right.

You will have to search in google since I forgot the number, but it is optional update K...... something, you will have to remove it manually, and then set your windows-update to download but let me decide what and when to install. It is the only way to get rid of this *****. It took me quite a while to get rid of this pop-up and then get rid of it forever. which basically means disable auto-update.

here is a site that explains, but there are many more.
http://www.howtogeek.com/228551/how-to-stop-windows-7-or-8-from-downloading-windows-10-automatically/

[RD2play]

Sounds like some kind of malware unrelated to either DDO or Windows 10. DDO does not auto-open Firefox. Nor will Windows 10. In fact, I'm sure they'd much rather you use Edge (note: I'm a Firefox and Chrome user myself).


I have windows 10 on 4 desktops and 3 laptops. All with different hardware. All upgraded from Win7 and 8. Some computers up to 10 years old. Not a single problem with any of them. 10 is one of the most stable OS' I've ever used. I've also "assisted" at least half a dozen others when upgrading to Windows 10. No significant issues. And half of them are what I'd call technically challenged. They all thought it would be harder than it was.

Honestly, you might want to look more closely at the qualifications of your IT people.

Its not about 10 being better or not, it is about being FORCED to change to it!

[Ghwyn]

Its not about 10 being better or not, it is about being FORCED to change to it!

The only constant in life is change. Too many people are against change. If people were not forced to upgrade over time, all computers would still be using DOS. Win10 is better in every way; it is a good upgrade. The OP should use virus software.

[Amundir]

I think everyone is burying the lead here...


Over 1/2 the ER computers ...

ER? As in Emergency Room? They're freezing and none one is fixing it?
That along speaks volumes about the quality of your IT staff.

[GlassCannon]

Why is it each time I open DDO, Firefox opens and tries to get me to install Windows 10?

Windows 10 is complete trash. It's so bugged, it's not funny. Over 1/2 the ER computers we have that Windows 10 was (so-called) 'upgraded' have frozen and the Start icon doesn't work, et cetera. It's ridiculous.

I did this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=octjhIXkcf0

and it works fine, 96% of the time. The other 4% I get some kind of problem like the audio driver inventing new virtual audio devices and rendering DDO mute or the computer booting into Windows only to never show me anything but a black screen (I have to reset the computer). I don't have to hassle with being spied on though. I used this video after Microsoft deleted a bunch of my programs and games while I was sleeping. They turned my computer on via the internet and deleted my softs. I was not OK with that. Yes, they actually did that, and yes they actually do that and due to their legal stuff it's legal to do.

Any and all information you have on your computer belongs to Microsoft and they will use it however they please... until you, as a programming genius relative of mine says, "f*ck their sh!t up." Have fun and be careful. Some of these changes are exact and you can't just wing it.

[GlassCannon]

I think everyone is burying the lead here...



ER? As in Emergency Room? They're freezing and none one is fixing it?
That along speaks volumes about the quality of your IT staff.

America hates genius unless it makes them money, and even then they hate intelligent people.


I'm a highly talented IT manager waiting to happen. Waiting... and applying... and aggressively pursuing the career that never starts... because everyone wants me to have things before I can obtain them... because they aren't very bright...


I think I'll move out of this country.

[Full_Bleed]

Its not about 10 being better or not, it is about being FORCED to change to it!
Nobody forced me to update to Win 10.

I get that the update nag annoys some people and actually deters them from upgrading... believe me, I'm a big proponent of ad blockers and won't spend any time on ad-intensive sites. But if the 10 nag is that annoying to you, a few minutes on your favorite search site will tell you how to get around it. That said, I always suggest people upgrade when asked unless they have some critical piece of software that is incompatible. In a year, you're going to have a whole lot of people who wished they'd taken the free upgrade while they had the chance. I won't have much sympathy for them.

[Amundir]

I really need to find a good linux build and get ddo running on it. Only reason I don't is I have other games that I'm not sure will play in wine nicely. Then again i'm kinda shifting my gaming platform back to the ps3 so maybe that is less of an issue.

[RD2play]

The only constant in life is change. Too many people are against change. If people were not forced to upgrade over time, all computers would still be using DOS. Win10 is better in every way; it is a good upgrade. The OP should use virus software.

We can agree to disagree then! I don't feel win 10 is better in every way, and not allowing me an option to opt out, unless I go to 3th party websites to figure out how to get rid of this forced upgrade to get a spyware based OS on my aging machine. It should be my choice to upgrade or not and it should not be forced on me! additionally virus software does not prevent your comp from installing/downloading anything unwanted through Windows-life-update. When I go buy/build a new machine yeah I might go and get win 10, but it will be my own informed decision. If it was optional I might have even considered upgrading, but being Forced by a non-democratic commercial entity no thanks!

[Chauncey1]

Why is it each time I open DDO, Firefox opens and tries to get me to install Windows 10?

Windows 10 is complete trash. It's so bugged, it's not funny. Over 1/2 the ER computers we have that Windows 10 was (so-called) 'upgraded' have frozen and the Start icon doesn't work, et cetera. It's ridiculous.

We've had W10 at work for a quite some time and have had virtually no issues with it at all.
Same for my home pc.

[Vua]

Nobody forced me to update to Win 10.

I get that the update nag annoys some people and actually deters them from upgrading... believe me, I'm a big proponent of ad blockers and won't spend any time on ad-intensive sites. But if the 10 nag is that annoying to you, a few minutes on your favorite search site will tell you how to get around it. That said, I always suggest people upgrade when asked unless they have some critical piece of software that is incompatible. In a year, you're going to have a whole lot of people who wished they'd taken the free upgrade while they had the chance. I won't have much sympathy for them.

It's gone beyond nagging. When they switched it to a recommended upgrade and changed the X in the corner into another accept button instead of a way to close the window it officially became malware. It's actually a good call by them since Win 10 is basically malware that operates your PC. I upgraded one PC to Win 10 and that lasted about a week. Unlike you I don't know anyone that likes it and quite a few people that have problems with it. Like any other operating system, I suggest a clean install if you're going to do it, not an upgrade. I'll stick with 7 until I make the jump away from Microsoft completely in a couple years.

[AnEvenNewerNoob]

Any time you have to trick people into using your OS................

[Ghwyn]

America hates genius unless it makes them money, and even then they hate intelligent people.


I'm a highly talented IT manager waiting to happen. Waiting... and applying... and aggressively pursuing the career that never starts... because everyone wants me to have things before I can obtain them... because they aren't very bright...


I think I'll move out of this country.

I am a manager and a business owner, and there are people who make things happen and those that make excuses. I don't hire people that make excuses. Looks like I am not the only person that thinks that way.

[Ghwyn]

We can agree to disagree then! I don't feel win 10 is better in every way, and not allowing me an option to opt out, unless I go to 3th party websites to figure out how to get rid of this forced upgrade to get a spyware based OS on my aging machine. It should be my choice to upgrade or not and it should not be forced on me! additionally virus software does not prevent your comp from installing/downloading anything unwanted through Windows-life-update. When I go buy/build a new machine yeah I might go and get win 10, but it will be my own informed decision. If it was optional I might have even considered upgrading, but being Forced by a non-democratic commercial entity no thanks!

Agree to disagree? I think not. That is an excuse to concede. Whenever there is a disagreement, one is wrong. There is a means to determine who that is.

[Mandelia]

Windows 10 may work out better for you. It will certainly work out better for anyone trying to track you.

/oh and phrasing?

[Paleus]

Windows 10 may work out better for you. It will certainly work out better for anyone trying to track you.

/oh and phrasing?

You are being watched. The corporations have an overt system, a system you asked for just for your convenience...machines that spy on you every hour of every day. You've granted it the power to see everything, to index, order, and control the lives of ordinary people. I know, because I read the terms of agreement for my smartphone, Amazon Echo, Smart Tv, [insert every new device you are currently using] and saw you post on Facebook, twitter, [insert every social media platform].

[bsquishwizzy]

First, Windows 10 is being “force-fed” to the public because of the “uproar” over Windows 8. And the “uproar” over Windows 8 is all about that stupid Metro interface that some moron in Redmond decided was a good idea. Ignore the fact that people still actually use desktops A LOT, and that they don’t work like tablets. But never mind such minor details…

And as far as Windows 8 goes – I have it on my development laptop. I’ve had very few issues if any (with the exception of my wireless going out, and I think that may be thre fault of my crapola Comcast router).

So there was a panic to put things back into a Windows 7-ish UI. It’s similar to the Windows ME debacle that occurred right before Windows 95 (I believe). Hence the ever-so-annoying demands to upgrade.

Most of the stuff I’ve moved to 10 has worked fine, although there are some definite issues with Microsoft Edge. But for the most part, 10 is OK. If you have issues with PCs freezing with 10, you’ve got bigger issues than Windows 10. Just sayin’…

I once interviewed at Microsoft, a while back. I can say that the people I interviewed with were very impressed with themselves. I never got the job. In retrospect, I’m kinda glad that I didn’t. There are a couple of stories I have from that interview that show some of the thinking behind why they do what they do, one of which I would never post on a public forum like this (but it is indeed a knee-slapper, especially given this topic). But the first one is pretty safe.

So, I go into my first interview with some guy who is going to “explain” to me their interview process – this is like a pre-interview before their big interview, I guess. I walk in to his office – back then every developer had their own personal office, or so I was told – and this guy with shirts and sandals is sitting there with a laptop in his lap, and his feet up on his desk. He greets me, shakes my hand, and we start talking.

Oddly enough, he really didn’t say word-frickin’-one about what I should expect with their interview process. Not surprising in retrospect.

So he points to a whiteboard, and tells me to write a function that takes a number and turns into a string. I ask a battery of questions like: what language? What are you passing me as far as parameters? And so on.

So I go up there, I take about a minute or so, and write the code on the whiteboard. I take a couple of minutes to look it over and make sure everything is good. Then I sit down.

He looks over at me and proclaims: “It’s wrong. It doesn’t work.”
I look at my code again, take a few seconds to go through stuff in my head. Then I turn to him and say, “No. It works fine.”

He then shakes his head and says, “No. The code you wrote has a bug.”

I look at it again, triple-checking what I’ve done. “No. The code works fine,” I proclaim. And we go back and forth with this for the next couple of minutes until I offer to step through the code line by line with him, and show the output. So I do exactly that.

He picks a number for the input parameter, and I start going line by line with the guy writing the output string he’d receive as a return parameter. I get about three steps to the end of the function, and I look over at the guy. His face just falls, and he says, “You’re right. It works.” He looked sorta shocked.

The odd part was that I didn’t pick up on that at the time – I didn’t think about it that much. I mean, after all, I was interviewing at the world famous Microsoft in Redmond Washington (or wherever that campus was…I think it was Redmond). But in retrospect, I think the guy was actually stunned that someone could walk into his office, write code on his whiteboard, and have it just work right out of the chute.

I honestly don’t think he ever saw that before.

And he was supposedly working at Microsoft for the last decade or so. In development.

And at that point in my career, I had been daily churning out code for the last 15 or 20 years. So me going up and writing a simple function that – you know – actually works is one of those tiny little expectations that an employer should have from someone like me. In fact, I’ve had a handful of interviews like that – where they give you some conditions and you write a function - both prior-to and after to this Microsoft interview. So what the guy asked of me was nothing new.

His reaction, I think, spoke volumes. And I should have realized what I was in for with the rest of the interview process.

And he never really did explain their “interview process,”, like, at all.

This story does, however, give you some insight into the type of people steering the ship over there.

[Aletys]

The only constant in life is change. Too many people are against change. If people were not forced to upgrade over time, all computers would still be using DOS. Win10 is better in every way; it is a good upgrade. The OP should use virus software.

As someone else mentioned, it's actually a Windows update causing this (one that i refused to install & have hidden). And while it may be very stable, the inability to refuse particular updates is a sticking point for me. MS has a long history of releasing bad updates, and they also try to install stuff I don't want on my PC's. The nag-ware described by the OP being a prime example. Until that policy is changed for Windows 10, I'll be staying on Win 7.

[Paleus]

He picks a number for the input parameter, and I start going line by line with the guy writing the output string he’d receive as a return parameter. I get about three steps to the end of the function, and I look over at the guy. His face just falls, and he says, “You’re right. It works.” He looked sorta shocked.

Outside chance at best, but its possible he was evaluating you on initiative for asking questions (giving you a vague starting point) and ability to defend/explain what you wrote on a professional level. Some people when given vague or incomplete objectives on a project are too afraid to ask for the information they need since they think it exposes their lack of knowledge (management must know what they are asking for so I just need to figure it out without letting them know I dont understand this cause it looks bonkers). Some people when told that something they did is wrong by management or others on the team will assume what they did is wrong or burn the house down in a flame off. Both of those personality traits would be good to weed out. But I'm assuming you're a good judge of body language so that is probably not what he was doing, but it would be nice if it was.

[bsquishwizzy]

Outside chance at best, but its possible he was evaluating you on initiative for asking questions (giving you a vague starting point) and ability to defend/explain what you wrote on a professional level. Some people when given vague or incomplete objectives on a project are too afraid to ask for the information they need since they think it exposes their lack of knowledge (management must know what they are asking for so I just need to figure it out without letting them know I dont understand this cause it looks bonkers). Some people when told that something they did is wrong by management or others on the team will assume what they did is wrong or burn the house down in a flame off. Both of those personality traits would be good to weed out. But I'm assuming you're a good judge of body language so that is probably not what he was doing, but it would be nice if it was.

Yeah. If it wasn't for that look on his face when we neared the end, I would have probably thought the same thing as you.

The interview that came after (linked to a follow-up story that happened some years later) was pure comedic gold. In a sad way.

[Paleus]

/oh and phrasing?

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/files/2015/10/phrasing.jpg

[RD2play]

Agree to disagree? I think not. That is an excuse to concede. Whenever there is a disagreement, one is wrong. There is a means to determine who that is.

Well OK, in this case you be the one who is wrong then! Since it is being Forced on people.

[Miow]

Why is it each time I open DDO, Firefox opens and tries to get me to install Windows 10?

Windows 10 is complete trash. It's so bugged, it's not funny. Over 1/2 the ER computers we have that Windows 10 was (so-called) 'upgraded' have frozen and the Start icon doesn't work, et cetera. It's ridiculous.

ER as in a hospital?

[GlassCannon]

ER as in a hospital?

"emergency" room. The one that no longer acts like everything is important and lets people die waiting (https://www.google.com/search?q=dies+in+emergency+room&oq=dies+in+emer&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.3071j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8).

[Whitering]

I crushed the Windows 10 prompt on my gaming computer since absolutely nothing freaking runs on there unless I okayed it first, but my computer at work is a bit of a battle, still, it must be something in the OPs computer because that's not standard, and Firefox certainly doesn't care or necessarily even want you to upgrade since BING is hidden in there lol

[Full_Bleed]

Since it is being Forced on people.
I agree that changing it to a "Recommended Update" (whom a lot of people have set to install like "important" updates) was not the best idea and is an issue for some people. But your definition of "forced" is very different than mine.

But, in the event that you don't know how to turn off auto-installation of Recommended Updates you can roll-back the update. They're, clearly, hoping that there are going to be more people than not who, upon showing up and finding a new car in their driveway won't demand their old beater back because the new one has OnStar on it.

No surprise that you're using the term "forced" though... you're not the only one:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3077857/windows/windows-10-sees-its-largest-surge-ever-as-microsofts-forced-upgrade-push-rolls-on.html

And, aside from flat out disinformation about users actually being "forced", I do agree with most everything else in the article and think there are a lot of good links to help people out who feel railroaded into the update. In fact, I'll even agree that many people *are* being railroaded (which isn't the same as being forced). Most, unfortunately, are having it done for their own good and have *consented* to allowing Microsoft to push *Recommended Updates*. Crying after the fact just shows a fair lack of understanding how their system is maintained and updated by the company that created it.

Truth is, most people have no idea how to properly secure their computers, when they should update, or what support for their system is going to be going forward. Those people should trust MS more than themselves. And to those who feel they don't need to heed MS' recommendations, they should be able to pass a basic litmus test that would include "controlling updates that end up on my computer" so that they don't feel like MS has them by the ears in a compromising position.

[Cantor]

This isn't happening to me, but my wife's computer tries to sneaky "upgrade" her to windows 10 about once a day. Usually during her playing the sims.

Thanks to Full_Bleed for pointing out the distinction about recommended, problem fixed.

[Enoach]

No one is being forced to update their OS to Windows 10. Strongly encourage is probably a better phrasing.

If you keep getting prompted it is because of the settings you chose (or were chosen by the person that setup your PC). You can stop this, many companies set their own update schedules as they have their IT departments review all updates ahead of time for compatibility issues as well as timing. All it takes is some settings changes on your side.

As for the IT team - If you hire the SNL IT guy, you get what you pay for.

[RD2play]

No one is being forced to update their OS to Windows 10. Strongly encourage is probably a better phrasing.

If you keep getting prompted it is because of the settings you chose (or were chosen by the person that setup your PC). You can stop this, many companies set their own update schedules as they have their IT departments review all updates ahead of time for compatibility issues as well as timing. All it takes is some settings changes on your side.

As for the IT team - If you hire the SNL IT guy, you get what you pay for.

Clicking it away is not enough, it will download in the background without telling you or without authorization, and it will make you internet run slow for some time. Then out of nowhere it started installing itself when I turned on my computer. I had to unplug and use recovery to get my computer to start normally under win7, then I had to waste half a day to find out how to get rid of this once and for all. To me that is Forcing, as there was no simple option to say No Thanks! If there was I might have reacted differently.
In my Country I own my PC and it is my personal property, even the police, or the intelligence agencies for that matter, can't just break in to see what I am doing without a court order, in which case they would have to come to my house to physically take the device. I understand that in the VS this is different and that the layers of major organizations have made this legal. But it is still bad form!

[Ghwyn]

No one is being forced to update their OS to Windows 10. Strongly encourage is probably a better phrasing.

If you keep getting prompted it is because of the settings you chose (or were chosen by the person that setup your PC). You can stop this, many companies set their own update schedules as they have their IT departments review all updates ahead of time for compatibility issues as well as timing. All it takes is some settings changes on your side.

As for the IT team - If you hire the SNL IT guy, you get what you pay for.

Agreed, but some people won't change their notion regardless of the information you give them. They won't admit they were wrong or misunderstood. I found out long ago that those people were not worth the time to help; they just want to complain.

[Enoach]

Clicking it away is not enough, it will download in the background without telling you or without authorization, and it will make you internet run slow for some time. Then out of nowhere it started installing itself when I turned on my computer. I had to unplug and use recovery to get my computer to start normally under win7, then I had to waste half a day to find out how to get rid of this once and for all. To me that is Forcing, as there was no simple option to say No Thanks! If there was I might have reacted differently.
In my Country I own my PC and it is my personal property, even the police, or the intelligence agencies for that matter, can't just break in to see what I am doing without a court order, in which case they would have to come to my house to physically take the device. I understand that in the VS this is different and that the layers of major organizations have made this legal. But it is still bad form!

If you don't want this to happen, use the options available on your computer to tell it to not check for updates. You can do this, the computer will let you know it is not the best option - it is an opinion. You want to control the updates then as the owner of that PC take control.

[Vua]

Agreed, but some people won't change their notion regardless of the information you give them. They won't admit they were wrong or misunderstood. I found out long ago that those people were not worth the time to help; they just want to complain.



So MS wants every to upgrade to Win 10 for free. Those are some generous people over there. Nothing like the company that tried to run every software producing company out of the industry 20+ years ago. They offer the upgrade by sending you a little notice asking if you want to upgrade. Then they upload it to your computer whether you wanted them to or not, but don't install it. Then every couple of days you get a pop up asking if you want to upgrade. You are given an upgrade option and an upgrade at a later date option. Obviously not enough people are clicking the upgrade button so they change the options to upgrade now or upgrade tonight. Your only choice at this point is to hit the little X in the upper right corner. So now it's getting closer and we still haven't hit that target number yet. Why aren't these people upgrading? Oh they are hitting the little X in the corner without giving us an answer. So now they change the Win 10 upgrade to a recommended update(people have this checked to update their current operating system, not to change that operating system), and remove the functionality of the X button. Well it still closes the pop up but it's now considered giving permission for the update to go through.

These are the tactics of people trying to get you to download malware, not a respected company. And I'm sorry but that's what Win 10 is. They are pushing it so hard strictly so they can track you better and spew ads. Enjoy your spyware, I'll be switching to a new OS once I replace this PC.

[Enoach]

...
These are the tactics of people trying to get you to download malware, not a respected company. And I'm sorry but that's what Win 10 is. They are pushing it so hard strictly so they can track you better and spew ads. Enjoy your spyware, I'll be switching to a new OS once I replace this PC.

Not excusing MS for this, but when you say this you realize other companies like Apple and FireFox do this as well.

I think one thing that is lost in many of these discussions is that we don't own the software, we license it. I get that people don't want to go to some versions - some for good reasons, some for just reasons. The OS still has settings to prevent it. You can still refuse an update and even uninstall an update. But you have to take control and thus take responsibility for adjusting the settings so it works as you would like it to.

[RD2play]

If you don't want this to happen, use the options available on your computer to tell it to not check for updates. You can do this, the computer will let you know it is not the best option - it is an opinion. You want to control the updates then as the owner of that PC take control.

Yes I have it currently set up this way, but still wish I didn't have to.

[AtomicMew]

Why is it each time I open DDO, Firefox opens and tries to get me to install Windows 10?

Windows 10 is complete trash. It's so bugged, it's not funny. Over 1/2 the ER computers we have that Windows 10 was (so-called) 'upgraded' have frozen and the Start icon doesn't work, et cetera. It's ridiculous.

A lot of networking, IT and security software broke with windows 10. But for personal use, it is solid.

[PhotoRob]

... Win10 is better in every way; it is a good upgrade. ...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! This has got to be thee funniest thing I've read on these forums in months!

[Vua]

Not excusing MS for this, but when you say this you realize other companies like Apple and FireFox do this as well.

I think one thing that is lost in many of these discussions is that we don't own the software, we license it. I get that people don't want to go to some versions - some for good reasons, some for just reasons. The OS still has settings to prevent it. You can still refuse an update and even uninstall an update. But you have to take control and thus take responsibility for adjusting the settings so it works as you would like it to.

I do take control. I don't personally experience these issues but I do keep up on what's happening. I just find their tactics distasteful and their reasons for doing it even more.

[bsquishwizzy]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! This has got to be thee funniest thing I've read on these forums in months!

You wanna tell us what's all broke about it?

I only ask this because I've been hearing about how newer versions of Windows "sucked worse than before" for about 20 years now. And last time I checked, Microsoft - despite some of the pot-shots I take at them - is still around and still selling lots of Windows.

People have a frickin' fit with Vista. Yet I found that mots of the "horrible" problems were minor. You know, like 10-year old drivers that were no longer supported by the people who made them not working and all...

[Grandern_Marn]

I don't know if its the recent upgrade to Windows 10 or how much of a part it played in it but I'm dealing with a pretty hard crash of my computer now too. The Windows button in the corner stopped working and its pretty seized up at the moment. Had my computer knowledgeable friend over yesterday and got a new SSD and HDD drive but it doesn't even recognize the recovery media USB drive. Ultimately it must be due to a virus but things got serious and went down hill pretty fast around the time I upgraded with Windows 10. Can't say anything conclusively but the timing is pretty suspect.

[D'arc_Tangent]

J-2, is that you?

[Viconiax]

Been running windows 10 on my gaming laptop without any problem. No freezing as well as no forced or recommended update.

Likewise, I doesn't get any windows 10 update pop-up on my windows 7 pc.

[Ghwyn]

You wanna tell us what's all broke about it?

I only ask this because I've been hearing about how newer versions of Windows "sucked worse than before" for about 20 years now. And last time I checked, Microsoft - despite some of the pot-shots I take at them - is still around and still selling lots of Windows.

People have a frickin' fit with Vista. Yet I found that mots of the "horrible" problems were minor. You know, like 10-year old drivers that were no longer supported by the people who made them not working and all...

They can't. They just want to complain to hear themselves talk. There is no substance behind it. My dad is like this. He was having serious problems with his computer, and finally asked me for help, which showed that he was desperate. He asked what was the problem, and after I looked at his very old computer running an old version of xp (yes, not the latest), I told him it was he refusal to upgrade. After he bought a new computer with win10, he was actually happy, and his years of griping about being forced to update something that was working fine (which he meant when he bought it new) was all for nought.

As for all the whiners, I think of them the same as I do my dad.

Many things must be upgraded, not just software. Some jobs require recertification for new technologies or policies, and if you don't, you lose your job.

[Paleus]

These are the tactics of people trying to get you to download malware, not a respected company. And I'm sorry but that's what Win 10 is. They are pushing it so hard strictly so they can track you better and spew ads. Enjoy your spyware, I'll be switching to a new OS once I replace this PC.

Do you have smartphone? Do you have any social networking accounts? Do you use google? Do you use VPNs? Do you have a SmartTV? Ever thought about getting that Amazon Echo or something similar? Do you pay with cash only? Heck at this point, do you walk outside in a city with traffic cams? Do you avoid interacting with other people that don't share the same answers to all of the above?

I mean acting like MS Win10 upgrade is the line in the sand on privacy is missing the fact that the war is over. Privacy lost and its only going to keep getting worse at this point.

Also, just a side interest, what new OS are you switching to? Why not switch now?

[Ghwyn]

Do you have smartphone? Do you have any social networking accounts? Do you use google? Do you use VPNs? Do you have a SmartTV? Ever thought about getting that Amazon Echo or something similar? Do you pay with cash only? Heck at this point, do you walk outside in a city with traffic cams? Do you avoid interacting with other people that don't share the same answers to all of the above?

I mean acting like MS Win10 upgrade is the line in the sand on privacy is missing the fact that the war is over. Privacy lost and its only going to keep getting worse at this point.

Also, just a side interest, what new OS are you switching to? Why not switch now?

They will switch to whatever OS is on the next computer they buy. When that OS is due for an upgrade, they will complain in vague terms like they are now, and likely have in the past.

[Mindos]

http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanently-remove.html

Used by a lot of people, does its job. Never heard a complaint.

[Vish]

I wOke up one morning,
and found win10 had installed itself on my laptop.

This after always closing every popup that ever spawned during the months I owned it

Oh well
It seems to be a more stable platform than old win8...
And it was free

Except
I gotta turn off my softhinks
And command prompt net stop superfetch, and net stop "Windows Search"

Or it'll eat my hard drive

And lately, it's been restarting itself...

[Tyrande]

You are being watched. The corporations have an overt system, a system you asked for just for your convenience...machines that spy on you every hour of every day. You've granted it the power to see everything, to index, order, and control the lives of ordinary people. I know, because I read the terms of agreement for my smartphone, Amazon Echo, Smart Tv, [insert every new device you are currently using] and saw you post on Facebook, twitter, [insert every social media platform].

Guess we should all go back to playing DDO on pen and paper...

Oops, nope, we cannot.

Interesting fact: only 40% of students in colleges and schools are using _______.






The blank is "pencil/pen and paper".

We're in an Information Age where teenagers don't respond to parents when they are knocking on the door but they'll respond to text and emoji's on the smart phone.

I'll wager that's also why turbine is dropping phone support and moving to email and text.

Solution: don't use windows if you don't trust it or Microsoft.