View Full Version : Dark delerium is too trolly in tavern brawl
jreinoehl2
04-05-2016, 11:51 PM
Its bad enough theres no save. Its worse the cooldowns the same as the duration. Getting trolled for half an hour by a level six at lv 30 is embarrassing. I had to log off and wait for him to leave. Cmon, its worse than fascinate:(just make it one of those "not available in tavern brawl" things. or monsters that immune to fear/paralyse are immune to its effects. that could work.
Vulkoorex
04-06-2016, 12:30 AM
Ha ha.
Maybe Harper's pin gets you out?
jreinoehl2
04-06-2016, 12:58 AM
Ha ha.
Maybe Harper's pin gets you out?
and then have ~15 secs to get out or its back to being delirious for 10 mins
IF it works
and if they 20 they get otto's irrisistable again:(
Hipparan
04-06-2016, 12:58 AM
Does it pass through Spell Resistance? That reminds me of Siren's Song :p
jreinoehl2
04-06-2016, 01:05 AM
Does it pass through Spell Resistance? That reminds me of Siren's Song :p
yep, but siren's has charges, this is infinite
also lasts 12 secs w/ 40 sec cooldown
janave
04-06-2016, 01:20 AM
Cooldowns isnt one of the Devs strengths. CD should be always > Duration. Even if only by a small margin.
Probably an artifact of the debug phase.
Vulkoorex
04-06-2016, 01:50 AM
So if you can get out with Harper's Pin,use tactic to keep warlock on its ass. Trip, Stunning Blow, Stunning shield, etc.
Pretty sure a warlock will have crappy balance skill. Throw in grease or web. Or summon a pet to interrupt the warlock.
Dragavon
04-06-2016, 03:08 AM
Nothing that is designed for PvE should ever be changed because of PvP.
FuzzyDuck81
04-06-2016, 03:33 AM
Nothing that is designed for PvE should ever be changed because of PvP.
The ability itself won't need to be changed, there's plenty of spells & abilities that are simply flagged as "not usable in pvp areas"
Dragavon
04-06-2016, 06:10 AM
I simply do not want any developer time whatsoever wasted on anything related to PvP in DDO :p
jreinoehl2
04-06-2016, 08:31 AM
So if you can get out with Harper's Pin,use tactic to keep warlock on its ass. Trip, Stunning Blow, Stunning shield, etc.
Pretty sure a warlock will have crappy balance skill. Throw in grease or web. Or summon a pet to interrupt the warlock.
I cant get thru his displacement really anyways. only maybe can knock him down if arcane encumberance works with eldritch blasts
jreinoehl2
04-06-2016, 08:34 AM
I simply do not want any developer time whatsoever wasted on anything related to PvP in DDO :p
Pvp is very rarely used for pvp, it is actually used for testing about 80% of the time. And getting interrupted by a level six is very annoying.
bartharok
04-06-2016, 08:48 AM
Pvp is very rarely used for pvp, it is actually used for testing about 80% of the time. And getting interrupted by a level six is very annoying.
Do it somewhere where the level six aint would be my solution, since its not sometging that dev time should be spent on.
jreinoehl2
04-06-2016, 09:28 AM
Do it somewhere where the level six aint would be my solution, since its not sometging that dev time should be spent on.
its not a hard fix. just add the "unavailable in tavern brawl". And finding an obscure brawling area, marking both me AND the helper with the testing as anonymous, and hope he doesn't realize that the who list is alphabetical(because an "anonymous" will show up between te and ts) and NOT getting accepted into parties etc because I forgot to unmark- the troll is winning 5-1
bartharok
04-06-2016, 09:33 AM
its not a hard fix. just add the "unavailable in tavern brawl". And finding an obscure brawling area, marking both me AND the helper with the testing as anonymous, and hope he doesn't realize that the who list is alphabetical(because an "anonymous" will show up between te and ts) and NOT getting accepted into parties etc because I forgot to unmark- the troll is winning 5-1
If he is actively seeking you out to troll you, the answer is to report him. If he isnt, just gping into an out of the way brawling are is good enough.
jreinoehl2
04-06-2016, 09:37 AM
If he is actively seeking you out to troll you, the answer is to report him. If he isnt, just gping into an out of the way brawling are is good enough.
Report him for what?
And I'm not vip, so I'm not sure about customer support...
Gauthaag
04-06-2016, 09:42 AM
Report him for what?
And I'm not vip, so I'm not sure about customer support...
griefing or harassment - and i guess u dont have to be vip to report someone
Robbenklopper
04-06-2016, 10:19 AM
How about a spell Absorption item like Jeweled Cloak? Does a no save means the Absorption effect doesn´t work?
Duana
04-06-2016, 12:01 PM
Its bad enough theres no save. Its worse the cooldowns the same as the duration. Getting trolled for half an hour by a level six at lv 30 is embarrassing. I had to log off and wait for him to leave. Cmon, its worse than fascinate:(just make it one of those "not available in tavern brawl" things. or monsters that immune to fear/paralyse are immune to its effects. that could work.
It has been a while since I did the whole PvP thing. But if that person is merely spam casting and watching you be helpless, you can report them for harassment.
I cant get thru his displacement really anyways. only maybe can knock him down if arcane encumberance works with eldritch blasts
A level 30 has no way to bypass displacement?
Memnir
04-06-2016, 12:19 PM
I think it should remain totally as-is.
This is part of the beauty of PvP, in my opinion.
Nyata
04-06-2016, 12:20 PM
Its bad enough theres no save. Its worse the cooldowns the same as the duration. Getting trolled for half an hour by a level six at lv 30 is embarrassing. I had to log off and wait for him to leave. Cmon, its worse than fascinate:(just make it one of those "not available in tavern brawl" things. or monsters that immune to fear/paralyse are immune to its effects. that could work.
I have to admit I was smirking and thinking 'HAH. there's revenge for every helpless new player who just got off korthos, went to the first tavern they see in the harbor, and full of exploratory spirit stumbled into the fighting pit and got nuked.' Also kind of happy to see that there is ways to counter raw DPS after all.
Kompera_Oberon
04-06-2016, 01:01 PM
If he is actively seeking you out to troll you, the answer is to report him. If he isnt, just gping into an out of the way brawling are is good enough.
Unless you can suddenly read minds, you cannot know that the intent is to troll. But being in a PvP arena, the intent is clearly to PvP. If a player is actively seeking out another player for the purpose of attacking them in a PvP arena, this would seem to me to be the very essence of PvP, and not a reportable offense. I mean sure you can report it, but how does this sound? "I entered a PvP arena and was attacked in PvP combat by another player. Please make them stop." Even adding "I entered another and they keep attacking me" seems incredibly weak, because the person making the report has all the power in the world to make it stop. Don't want to be attacked in PvP? Don't go into PvP areas.
If I was the admin receiving such a report, especially with the level 6 vs. level 30 details, I would find it hilarious. After passing it around the office and making a copy for the office "Best worst reports by players" list, my reply would consist of some variation of:
Player: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.
Admin: Don't do that.
I'd suggest submitting a bug report or other form of ticket asking that the "not in PvP" flag be set for this ability. Reporting someone for attacking you when you willingly enter a PvP area seems rather pathetic.
bartharok
04-06-2016, 01:18 PM
Unless you can suddenly read minds, you cannot know that the intent is to troll. But being in a PvP arena, the intent is clearly to PvP. If a player is actively seeking out another player for the purpose of attacking them in a PvP arena, this would seem to me to be the very essence of PvP, and not a reportable offense. I mean sure you can report it, but how does this sound? "I entered a PvP arena and was attacked in PvP combat by another player. Please make them stop." Even adding "I entered another and they keep attacking me" seems incredibly weak, because the person making the report has all the power in the world to make it stop. Don't want to be attacked in PvP? Don't go into PvP areas.
If hes following the player from arena to arena hes deliberately trolling. If its a random guy that popped up once, or that frequents a certain arena, hes not.
Its bad enough theres no save. Its worse the cooldowns the same as the duration. Getting trolled for half an hour by a level six at lv 30 is embarrassing. I had to log off and wait for him to leave. Cmon, its worse than fascinate:(just make it one of those "not available in tavern brawl" things. or monsters that immune to fear/paralyse are immune to its effects. that could work.
If you're trying to test things with a particular person, can't you just go into an Arena and set for 1 vs 1? (BTW, Tavern Brawl areas are not "Arenas".)
If you're just random PvPing I agree with others that Dark Delerium should not be changed for PvP (as some have suggested) and no, not even make unavailable for PvP. Even the most innocent change can have unforeseen consequences.
Kompera_Oberon
04-06-2016, 02:59 PM
If hes following the player from arena to arena hes deliberately trolling. If its a random guy that popped up once, or that frequents a certain arena, hes not.
He is not trolling, he is PvPing.
"Hey bra, headed to a different arena? Cool beans, let's go fight in a different place!"
Seriously, if you choose to be in a place where you can be attacked by another player, when that choice and the consequences of it are entirely under your control, you have no valid complaint at all in my opinion. Anything after that is just crying because you're losing.
If the guy is actually harassing the complainer, via tells or whatever, that is a completely different case because it can happen anywhere and not just in areas clearly marked as being for the purposes of PvP.
Cordovan
04-06-2016, 03:17 PM
Moved to PvP forums.
Coyopa
04-06-2016, 03:40 PM
I cant get thru his displacement really anyways. only maybe can knock him down if arcane encumberance works with eldritch blasts
Wait. You're level 30 and you don't have an item with True Seeing on it? AND you can't scroll cast True Seeing? You deserve everything you get, then. Come prepared or simply come prepared to lose.
Coyopa
04-06-2016, 03:44 PM
Here's an actual suggestion: Rather than using the public brawling areas, challenge your helper to a match. That takes you into a private brawling area that may or may not have environmental dangers (traps, lava, etc). You'd be able to do all the testing in there that you want to do and the mighty level 6 with his displacement that you can't bypass won't be able to follow you.
EDIT: http://ddowiki.com/page/PvP#Death_Match_Arena
razzertothemax3
04-06-2016, 04:04 PM
I simply do not want any developer time whatsoever wasted on anything related to PvP in DDO :p
Implying that devs actually make good use of their time elsewhere, lol. Are you playing the same game i am?
relenttless
04-06-2016, 04:47 PM
What's the kid's name?
I'll buy him a drink
thomascoolone64
04-26-2016, 02:14 PM
Pvp is very rarely used for pvp, it is actually used for testing about 80% of the time. And getting interrupted by a level six is very annoying.
Get a Spell Absorbtion cloak or Pale, they block Dark Delirium... I know from Experience
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