Ideas for fixing a boring build

[AzraelTheRed]

I have recently TR'd a toon into a fighter. To be honest its just flat boring! Any ideas on where to go for something a little more flavor? Twf/snb as of now and have already gone to lvl 6. Any ideas pros? Do not have iconic, druid, arti, or eldridge and do not want to use a heart. Ftrx2 and rogx1 PLs. Rdy....go....

[unbongwah]

No offense, but this would've been easier had you asked for advice before TRing...

Post what you got and what you want to be able to do. "Make my char less boring!" is kinda, umm, non-specific.

[AzraelTheRed]

Hence the boring. I have limited time to play and just need anything to make this toon more exciting. I know its limited. That IS the point of posting here to get some other ideas is im stumped on it. If you dont want to contribute then dont reply.....

[Nuclear_Elvis]

Try this: convert the melee Fighter into a Ranged, Great Crossbow wielding Fighter. Dabble in Rogue/Mech for 4 levels to get up to Tier IV enhancements on the Rogue/Mech tree to boost that Great Crossbow up, and go Fighter/Kensei the rest of the way and plus up the Great Crossbow even further. You should experience the BFG in DDO: The Great Crossbow. Oh, and did I mention - you get Sneak Attacks also, as result.

Option 2, and I recommend a trip to Fred to trade Feats in either of these options: Ranger/Tempest for free TWF and access to that tree (number of levels to splash could vary based on goals), crossing over to Fighter/Kensei to further boost your TWF potential. If the goal is to simply get a majority of levels in Fighter to TR, you should map out your splash options, because I sense you do not want pure Fighter.

[Kentpb]

I have recently TR'd a toon into a fighter. To be honest its just flat boring! Any ideas on where to go for something a little more flavor? Twf/snb as of now and have already gone to lvl 6. Any ideas pros? Do not have iconic, druid, arti, or eldridge and do not want to use a heart. Ftrx2 and rogx1 PLs. Rdy....go....
Can you plez give me what you do have feats at what lev and stats so on and i will do my best to fix it unlike some people i will not tell you what you should of done i just want to help

[AzraelTheRed]

So let me clarify as I was writing that post from my phone. I am looking for a flavor fix for my lvl 6 ftr. I do not need advice on taking twf ranger tempest or just adding in rog splash. I am bores with the concept of brainless twf/snb/thf and want something to tweak my interest. I have 3 other low level TR's and this one bores me. Do any of you creative mind out there uave some flavor variation that could take a lvl 6 ftr and tuen thwm into something else? Elcis while at work tomm I will send you my stats since ao far you are the only one graspinf it. Feats do not matter they can be changed. I want playstyle freshness!

[Saekee]

Fun flavor options:

1) Get tier 5 Henshin for void strike and use SWF. When you get to PSWF you will instakill with void strike 10% of the time
2) Get 12 wiz and wraith form. Set up a high crit profile (like with 3 swash) and spam CON damage (wraiths CON damage on crits).
3) stunning fist build--even 1 monk--max wisdom and get no mercy enhancements and tactics boosts in various class trees; ideally add sneak damage and master of forms
4) poisoner--combine ninja sting with venomed blades (drow or assassin, latter is better) as well as lootgen venomous weapons.

fyi also written on iphone

[FranOhmsford]

What exactly do you find boring about your fighter?

You say you've tried TWF and S&B but they play very differently - TWF is all about Attck Speed and movement, S&B plays best as a full Cleave/Great Cleave Spam {Cleave/Great Cleave are atrocious on a TWF!}.

Is it Melee itself that you find boring? You don't tell us what your other characters are that you actually like playing? You say you have 4 TRs {Are they all 2nd Lifers? What Classes are they and what class were you on your first life? Did you like all those on their first lives?}.

Most importantly IF it's Melee itself that you find boring...You do only have 6 levels of Fighter so you could turn it into a gimp yes but doable Wizard/Sorc, Cleric/Soul or definitely not gimp Ranger/Rogue Mech build.
Honestly your best bet would probably be 13 Rogue / 6 Fighter {The last level you can do whatever you like with} BUT you will need to use a Lesser Heart {Just a plain, no plusses required} to change your main stat to Int}.

[Enoach]

Can you plez give me what you do have feats at what lev and stats so on and i will do my best to fix it unlike some people i will not tell you what you should of done i just want to help

I think it would be helpful to direct you towards a path if you can provide more than just:

1. Currently 6 Levels of Fighter
2. Past Lives 2x Fighter 1x Rogue
3. Don't have druid, arti, or eldridge (Warlock)

If you can provide your current Base Attributes and tomes as well as skill point spending it can help us know where you are so we can help you develop a flavor build.

[FranOhmsford]

2. Past Lives 2x Fighter 1x Rogue


I missed this - How exactly did you get 6 levels into your 3rd Fighter life before realizing Fighter wasn't for you?

At this point you could just suck it up get to 20 and never have to play Fighter on that character again as you'll have the 3 Fighter Past Lives done.

[Vanhooger]

Hence the boring. I have limited time to play and just need anything to make this toon more exciting. I know its limited. That IS the point of posting here to get some other ideas is im stumped on it. If you dont want to contribute then dont reply.....

If you don't explain what you would like to play isn't helpful. unbongwah is well known to help everyone here in the forum giving advice for build. If you don't know how to be polite, you don't deserve any suggestion.

[dunklezhan]

So let me clarify as I was writing that post from my phone. I am looking for a flavor fix for my lvl 6 ftr. I do not need advice on taking twf ranger tempest or just adding in rog splash. I am bores with the concept of brainless twf/snb/thf and want something to tweak my interest. I have 3 other low level TR's and this one bores me. Do any of you creative mind out there uave some flavor variation that could take a lvl 6 ftr and tuen thwm into something else? Elcis while at work tomm I will send you my stats since ao far you are the only one graspinf it. Feats do not matter they can be changed. I want playstyle freshness!

Add 2 more levels of fighter and 12 levels of wizard. Build for EK and pale master to get wraith form. Lots of buffs and avoidance, heals over time, magic damage on weapons and a few close range AOEs. Its not massively powerful, but it is fun. shield and armour SLAs from EK, also Perma tensers (you don't need casting speed). Suggest you start adding wizard levels now, you need 12 I think for wraith, and add the 2 remaining fighter levels at the end.

[C-Dog]

Hence the boring. I have limited time to play and just need anything to make this toon more exciting. I know its limited. That IS the point of posting here to get some other ideas is im stumped on it. If you dont want to contribute then dont reply.....
Hey 'Red - that's one of the TOP build-crafters you just told to take a leap. He DOES want to help, but without knowing where you are, it's hard to know where you can/not go.

Post what you have so far (Levels, class(es if multi), Feats, AP spent), AND what you think would be "fun" (ranged, adding spells, trapping, whatever), and - trust me - he'll give you the good. (If you haven't just ****ed him off.)
;)

[AzraelTheRed]

Ok so here is the rest of info.
Stats
Str 18
Dex 16
Con 17
Int 8
Wis 8
Cha 8

All I was looking for was if anyone knew any good builds that can start 6ftr and not be too gimped. As for being bored and not understanding its pretty simple, I have 20 some odd toons on 4 servers lots of them melee. I had a game plan and new this toon wasnt going to be what I wanted until later levels but I am honestly just really tired of the playstyle. I am looking for not necessarily a super build but something that will be able to make it to 20 without me just giving up on it. The build was orig set up for snb warhammer with cleave tank type with twf as a secondary. Im just not feeling it. I currently am also running a shuricannon a sorc and a cleric melee. No disrespect meant but with a comment like you should have asked before the TR.....no ****? Not a noob but recently back after a cpl years away and just not that on top of all the new flavors out there. Wasnt about not being polite it was about not getting a useless response. Asking for more clarification like the next post was much more "polite" in my eyes

[C-Dog]

Wasnt about not being polite it was about not getting a useless response.
Well, your own above response is not entirely useful...

If you're not a newb, you should know to include: what Feats does he have so far? Race?

I understand "frustrated" - been there myself - but you're kinda letting your irritation splash on everyone who's coming to help (or that's what ~I'm~ reading).T

Take a breath, have some faith.

[FranOhmsford]

Ok so here is the rest of info.
Stats
Str 18
Dex 16
Con 17
Int 8
Wis 8
Cha 8

All I was looking for was if anyone knew any good builds that can start 6ftr and not be too gimped. As for being bored and not understanding its pretty simple, I have 20 some odd toons on 4 servers lots of them melee. I had a game plan and new this toon wasnt going to be what I wanted until later levels but I am honestly just really tired of the playstyle. I am looking for not necessarily a super build but something that will be able to make it to 20 without me just giving up on it. The build was orig set up for snb warhammer with cleave tank type with twf as a secondary. Im just not feeling it. I currently am also running a shuricannon a sorc and a cleric melee. No disrespect meant but with a comment like you should have asked before the TR.....no ****? Not a noob but recently back after a cpl years away and just not that on top of all the new flavors out there. Wasnt about not being polite it was about not getting a useless response. Asking for more clarification like the next post was much more "polite" in my eyes

Lose the TWF secondary - It's unnecessary and a waste of Feats - If you want to go full DPS at any point on a S&B toon just grab a Greatsword and go to town with those Cleaves.

12 Fighter / 8 Paladin {If you want that 3rd Fighter life out of the way} may give you more oomph with the S+B. And will def give you more Self-Healing capability. {with only 8 Pally Levels stock up on Owl's Wisdom pots and you won't even need a Wis item}.
14 Paladin / 6 Fighter will get a Paladin life out of the way instead and will play pretty much the same.

[Loromir]

I have recently TR'd a toon into a fighter. To be honest its just flat boring! Any ideas on where to go for something a little more flavor? Twf/snb as of now and have already gone to lvl 6. Any ideas pros? Do not have iconic, druid, arti, or eldridge and do not want to use a heart. Ftrx2 and rogx1 PLs. Rdy....go....

You could put him on the back burner and wait for the fighter pass (No they haven't told us PC members when to expect a Fighter pass). I have a feeling it could be coming soon/ish. There might be something in there for you then.

[C-Dog]

Lose the TWF secondary - It's unnecessary and a waste of Feats - If you want to go full DPS at any point on a S&B toon just grab a Greatsword and go to town with those Cleaves...
Okay, I'll say it so 'Red doesn't have to...

Great advice, but totally OT.

Red wants something "new" (for him, at least*), something not "sword and bored" (not even a THF one). He's asking at a meta-level (more or less), not (overly) interested in specifics until that "new concept" grabs him.

(That said - Race would help - assuming human?)

* @ Red - And that's the problem - no one can know what's "new" for you without a little more info. :/

[Enoach]

Ok so here is the rest of info.
Stats
Str 18
Dex 16
Con 17
Int 8
Wis 8
Cha 8

All I was looking for was if anyone knew any good builds that can start 6ftr and not be too gimped. ...

This additional information is helpful as it lets us know what attributes you have to work with.

Based on the above I would suggest maybe one of these two possibilities

1. Go 8 Fighter and 12 Ranger - Giving you the Rangers Bow abilities. Take the next 6 levels as ranger getting you Manyshot - something you can use when it is off timer. (You may want to switch out any Two-Weapon fighting feats you have already taken)

2. Go 14 Barbarian - Gets you uncanny dodge and Rage abilities

3. Go 2 Rogue and see options 1 & 2. Gaining some trap skills and evasion if you switch to light armor

[AzraelTheRed]

Yes human! I was going to hold out on the pass unless someone had something intrresting. If nothing strikes the fancy I may tough it out may pack it up. Just window shopping the options.

[FranOhmsford]

Okay, I'll say it so 'Red doesn't have to...

Great advice, but totally OT.

Red wants something "new" (for him, at least*), something not "sword and bored" (not even a THF one). He's asking at a meta-level (more or less), not (overly) interested in specifics until that "new concept" grabs him.

(That said - Race would help - assuming human?)

* @ Red - And that's the problem - no one can know what's "new" for you without a little more info. :/

I wouldn't say it's Off Topic actually.

Even though Red's bored of Melee it's not exactly difficult to get a character to 20 and TR {especially for someone who's done just that multiple times already - He's on his 4th life after all}.

It does get his 3rd Fighter Life or almost as good his 1st Pally life out of the way and done.

[AzraelTheRed]

This additional information is helpful as it lets us know what attributes you have to work with.

Based on the above I would suggest maybe one of these two possibilities

1. Go 8 Fighter and 12 Ranger - Giving you the Rangers Bow abilities. Take the next 6 levels as ranger getting you Manyshot - something you can use when it is off timer. (You may want to switch out any Two-Weapon fighting feats you have already taken)

2. Go 14 Barbarian - Gets you uncanny dodge and Rage abilities

3. Go 2 Rogue and see options 1 & 2. Gaining some trap skills and evasion if you switch to light armor


I was thinking bow but have not done. Anything other than pure rngr which I enjoyed. Is the build very viable for late/end game? I have read that burst dps is decent butvlacking everywhere else. That build archtype is twf or thf cleave with falch? Seems to be less overall dps than just going thf ftr.

[FranOhmsford]

I was thinking bow but have not done. Anything other than pure rngr which I enjoyed. Is the build very viable for late/end game? I have read that burst dps is decent butvlacking everywhere else. That build archtype is twf or thf cleave with falch? Seems to be less overall dps than just going thf ftr.

You might be thinking back to previous days when Rangers were told to put the bow away and melee - That really doesn't happen anymore and bow users tend to BE Archers who rarely melee if ever!

Same with a Rogue Mech X-Bow build - You could go 12 Fighter / 8 Rogue and be Pure X-Bow build {If you can get Arti I saw a 6 Ftr / 6 Rogue / 6 Arti in Vale E-BBs just yesterday}.

[Enoach]

I was thinking bow but have not done. Anything other than pure rngr which I enjoyed. Is the build very viable for late/end game? I have read that burst dps is decent butvlacking everywhere else. That build archtype is twf or thf cleave with falch? Seems to be less overall dps than just going thf ftr.

Not sure where you are reading this, but you will have the burst ranged damage and you will have burst melee damage. The build is viable for late/end game.

Sure you might lack in some defense like PRR/MRR but you can make up for it with being out of range to weaken mobs and then rush in to finish them off.

[C-Dog]

I have limited time to play and just need anything to make this toon more exciting. I know its limited. That IS the point of posting here to get some other ideas is im stumped on it. ...
I want playstyle freshness!

Playstyle...

A bit late to go Stealth or Trapper or anything too "Rogue-y" - Lvl 1 skill blast is kinda a dealbreaker. Maybe not impossible to get the 4 core Trapper skills up to where they need to be...???

If not, that leaves... fighting style. 4 Fighter feats would be lost otherwise. And that almost certainly only leaves Ranged. (And may well not be optimized, but certainly respectable.)

Repeater builds are hot atm - lots of action, lots of long-range death. Don't ~need~ Arti - other ways to get there from here.

Arcane Archer is doable.


Or... what about a gish? Wizard/Fighter? Or battle Cleric or Pali? (but with those last, "playstyle") might be similar, even if abilities are very diff? Much depends on ~exactly~ where you find "fun" and "new".)

Or... another fighter/caster... a Bard? Heavy fighter dip is not a terrible thing for a Swashbuckler (1-handed, with or without magical orb in off-hand). Light Armour, rapier, yarping about and buffing self/party?

[Selvera]

I don't know your preferred playstyle, but I do like the idea of a 8 fighter 12 b cleric (or fvs) using sword+board, taking everything to increase prr/mrr/doublestrike/cleave and self-healing through mobs to cleave+cast them dead. With this build I prefer to start with cleric 12 to get the permanent blur + res asap, but I'm sure it would work starting with fighter levels. One problem you might have is having enough wis to cast the cleric spells you need, but guild buffs and gear can fix that.

Key abilities:
Backup healer/self healing: Heal (level 11 cleric), Resurection (level 9 cleric), Cure moderate wounds mass (level 11 cleric), Unyielding Sovereignty (level 6 cleric), Ameliorating Strike (level 4 cleric)
Buffs: Lots of good cleric buffs. Permanent blur (level 12 cleric), Permanent Divine Power (level 5 cleric)
AoE combo: Cleave, Greatcleave, Your 2 favorite AoE cleric damage spells (Such as flame strike and inflict moderate wounds). The occasional Divine Vessel (level 5 cleric)
Tankiness: Full plate, Tower shield, Shield mastery feats, fighter heavy armour training feats (2 of them), cleric+fighter enhancements (such as wall of steel and toughness)

For fighter you can go vanguard for better single target damage and some good defense boosts (Sheild smash), or you can go for Stalwart defender for more tankiness and focus more on your ability to AoE mobs down with cleaves+cleric spells.

Unfortunately, with this build the best weapon is probably the favored weapon (longsword) which doesn't have a good crit profile, and if you try to split your items between spell/melee you might be stretched a little thin. These are both larger problems in epics, for heroic you should have enough damage to contribute to nearly any party, good enough heals and resses (although relatively low mana) and be able to tank at level pretty well even with a vanguard build.

It is, in the end still a s&b build, but with a couple more options.

[UurlockYgmeov]

I have recently TR'd a toon into a fighter. To be honest its just flat boring! Any ideas on where to go for something a little more flavor? Twf/snb as of now and have already gone to lvl 6. Any ideas pros? Do not have iconic, druid, arti, or eldridge and do not want to use a heart. Ftrx2 and rogx1 PLs. Rdy....go....

what is fun? what is sexy? what is exciting? what do you play the game for? all relevant questions.

[dunklezhan]

Or... what about a gish? Wizard/Fighter? Or battle Cleric or Pali? (but with those last, "playstyle") might be similar, even if abilities are very diff? Much depends on ~exactly~ where you find "fun" and "new".)


Is what I was thinking with the EK suggestion. All your suggestions sound interesting to me. Hard without knowing what constitutes "interesting and fun" for the OP.

[Nuclear_Elvis]

So let me clarify as I was writing that post from my phone. I am looking for a flavor fix for my lvl 6 ftr. I do not need advice on taking twf ranger tempest or just adding in rog splash. I am bores with the concept of brainless twf/snb/thf and want something to tweak my interest. I have 3 other low level TR's and this one bores me. Do any of you creative mind out there uave some flavor variation that could take a lvl 6 ftr and tuen thwm into something else? Elcis while at work tomm I will send you my stats since ao far you are the only one graspinf it. Feats do not matter they can be changed. I want playstyle freshness!

Based on your response, I don't think you even know that Rogue/Mech wields a crossbow, and frankly, I don't think you know what you want, other than an open door to some petty arguing here. Your prior response to Ubongwah was a bit rude. You have no clue how much time Ubongwah spends here on forum helping new-to-game and returning players, veteran players -- all types, and he could help you achieve success in this game, but the first thing you do is rudely slam the door in his face when he shows up at your door to help.

Here's what you really need: www.ddowiki.com and do a Search: Starting A Fighter. You may be 3 lives into Fighter, but you could use a refresher course. Outside of this, maybe a scan of the Reader's Digest version of "How to Win Friends and Influence People" could be helpful for you.

[IronClan]

You could put him on the back burner and wait for the fighter pass (No they haven't told us PC members when to expect a Fighter pass). I have a feeling it could be coming soon/ish. There might be something in there for you then.

I would have expected the 2015 PC already saw the Fighter pass... I've been watching the official discussion forum for the last couple weeks expecting it to get posted... I can't imagine Cetus didn't push for having input on what they will do to Fighters?

Are they seriously not even that far in? It's not like fighters need an extensive polish... in fact they have to be careful not to make them OP "masters of everything" as they did with the ranger pass.

[Kentpb]

I know just swinging away with a fighter can get boring & if you want a more interesting play style how about going for a tactical combatant picture this "Your running up on two giants you jump kick one in the chest he goes down (jump and trip looks like a flying kick and still trips) land and smash the other in the knee so hard he is stunned from the pain (stunning blow) wile your finishing him off two more are running in so you lunge forward hitting the one that just got up from being kicked in the chest as you rush by him and one of the oncoming giants knocking both down (Shield Charge) the last one is just out of reach so you take a step and bash him with your shield (Stunning Shield) stunning him too"
If this is something you think will liven up you boring fighter let me know I will post build