Bring the worlds back up please

[AngryDude]

Bring the worlds back up. Bring the worlds down Monday. Nobody cares much about the random loot. We generally only take it from chests to sell to the bartender for some extra plat. If it wasn't for the bartender we would leave it in chest.
A few people might care about crafted or random loot on a low level toon. My best guess is that would be 3 people in the entire population. Other than that I doubt its urgent or anyone even cares.

[Gremmlynn]

Seems to be issues with people's regular gear being broken, as in blank, though.

[AngryDude]

I guess I'm wrong then. Misunderstood the issue.

[knobaroo]

Bring the worlds back up. Bring the worlds down Monday. Nobody cares much about the random loot. We generally only take it from chests to sell to the bartender for some extra plat. If it wasn't for the bartender we would leave it in chest.
A few people might care about crafted or random loot on a low level toon. My best guess is that would be 3 people in the entire population. Other than that I doubt its urgent or anyone even cares.

I think the issue might be a bit bigger then you are thinking it is.

[Riddle_of_Steel]

I suspect the +0 Insight bonus loot as well as some of the Huge +20 - +30 UMD loot is also having an effect. When UMD bonus' is nearly equal to the ML of the item are dropping on all over it kind of really invalidates the special price and status of the UMD tomes.

Saw a +26 UMD item linked ... seriously +26 UMD. With something like that on RANDOM loot is in the game you only need about 5 points or so in the actual skill to get no fail on all scrolls (by the time you take your CHA bonus into account) for a great many toons. Heck at 30 with the Epic level bonus you might just need 1 single point.

And it's not just dropping on Epic level quests saw another linked that was +12 UMD a double strike +10% ring (I think it was a ring) that had a ML in the teens.

Actually that goes for a LOT of the skills and other properties in there. The bonus' on the loot is crazy crazy high it makes most raid / named loot with bonuses to skills an utter joke. Seriously a lot of it was being pulled that made the legendary green steel on the preview look like a complete waste of time. There's definitely an error, almost like someone missed a decimal place in determining the power of the abilities.

[moomooprincess]

Bring the worlds back up. Bring the worlds down Monday. Nobody cares much about the random loot. We generally only take it from chests to sell to the bartender for some extra plat. If it wasn't for the bartender we would leave it in chest.
A few people might care about crafted or random loot on a low level toon. My best guess is that would be 3 people in the entire population. Other than that I doubt its urgent or anyone even cares.

Yes, the loot is the stuff that you have currently equipped, in your inventory, and what is in your bank. NAMED loot is just that, it is still named.

If you are in favor of completely wiping everyone's loot, you might be in the minority.

This is worse than the "vast and mysterious" Ghost Banning.

[Cordovan]

Unfortunately, it isn't possible to revert a change without a new build. We can do a formal rollback prior to opening the worlds, but if we do one after the worlds have opened, then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.

[Aishana]

Unfortunately, it isn't possible to revert a change without a new build. We can do a formal rollback prior to opening the worlds, but if we do one after the worlds have opened, then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.

As much as I hate to say it... That almost seems like it would be the safer route to take. Then again, I know nothing about coding, so I'm probably wrong. :D

[gaffneyks]

Unfortunately, it isn't possible to revert a change without a new build. We can do a formal rollback prior to opening the worlds, but if we do one after the worlds have opened, then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.

We are totally fine with that. It's not like the game is hard to install and it leaves the ini file out there. So it's not we lose any settings.

Some of us are off for the holidays and wanted to play.

Rollback and we will just reinstall. The game wasn't up that long before it was shut down. it can't be that many of us that will have to uninstall/reinstall. Don't penalize the majority for the minority of us
who logged right on. That's our fault for not waiting a little while for you to smoke test it.

[lifestaker]

I suspect the +0 Insight bonus loot as well as some of the Huge +20 - +30 UMD loot is also having an effect.

I actually enjoyed the fact that i forgot to turn in some end rewards, the result being a ml 17 umd +16 with insightful +4 and some hp on it. will work great for lives that i have low umd on. At least it was better then the light repeater with incite on it (a ranged weapon with increased melee hate gen.) Forget ghostbane, you have been incited.

[xberto]

If I understand this conversation correctly, I'd vote no way to rolling back to U28. Move forward!!! I hate it but I can wait. NO GOING BACK

[Sunnie]

if we do one after the worlds have opened, then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.
I'm perfectly fine with not having to do that. Good night, folks, sleepytime for me.

[Enderoc]

Just mellow...
the sky fell too many times already to get disturbed by anything anymore. Take a break and enjoy real life for a bit.

[Gauthaag]

What exactly u mean by rollback? That any changes on my toons which took place in time the update was on will be erased? Then hell no - or I d expect pretty good retribution for my resources spended. Its not my fault the product I m paying for was not delivered in right condition.

[kendo]

unless there is some other way to find and remove the obviously broken and erroneous items, then a roll back should definitely be considered. no way there should be things like +25 - +30 UMD items out there.

[Steve_Howe]

If I understand this conversation correctly, I'd vote no way to rolling back to U28. Move forward!!! I hate it but I can wait. NO GOING BACK

This.

No rollback!

[Nédime]

No rollback.

Just go ahead and fix what needs to be fixed.

[Gremmlynn]

What exactly u mean by rollback? That any changes on my toons which took place in time the update was on will be erased? Then hell no - or I d expect pretty good retribution for my resources spended. Its not my fault the product I m paying for was not delivered in right condition.If you mean in-game resources, those would roll back too. A roll back would basically re-wind the game to where things were before the update.

[Livmo]

Unfortunately, it isn't possible to revert a change without a new build. We can do a formal rollback prior to opening the worlds, but if we do one after the worlds have opened, then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.

I vote for roll back.

[Eryhn]

Rollback!

[Iron_Claw]

Unfortunately, it isn't possible to revert a change without a new build. We can do a formal rollback prior to opening the worlds, but if we do one after the worlds have opened, then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.

Do it please ! We told you beforehand that the build is not ready yet ! Ignore the fanboys and just do your job !

Voting for a rollback !

[kendo]

What exactly u mean by rollback? That any changes on my toons which took place in time the update was on will be erased? Then hell no - or I d expect pretty good retribution for my resources spended. Its not my fault the product I m paying for was not delivered in right condition.

just curious how many changes took place on your toons or how many resources you spent in the hour or so the worlds were open before they were shut down again? and if they did do a roll back, that should include putting your resources back to where they were before the worlds reopened after the update. so anything you spent should be back in your bank or account to spend again

given the reports coming in on existing items losing things like master's touch, which hurts the player base, and completely ridiculous new items, like + 15 UMD on a ML 17 item, there is no way they can let these major bugs continue over the weekend. and unless they find a different way to correct the damage done, a roll back of a couple hours seems like the best way to go

[Iron_Claw]

just curious how many changes took place on your toons or how many resources you spent in the hour or so the worlds were open before they were shut down again? and if they did do a roll back, that should include putting your resources back to where they were before the worlds reopened after the update. so anything you spent should be back in your bank or account to spend again

given the reports coming in on existing items losing things like master's touch, which hurts the player base, and completely ridiculous new items, like + 15 UMD on a ML 17 item, there is no way they can let these major bugs continue over the weekend. and unless they find a different way to correct the damage done, a roll back of a couple hours seems like the best way to go

/signed

[Chazore]

Remember not everyone has good connection some are able to play but reinstalling ddo takes a long time. Also as others have stated DDO is not life there must be other things you can do. Something else to consider is there will never be a bug free update to any game. The test server and the main servers are not the same coding wise so complain all you want there is always going to be problems that can not be prevented. No i do not support the rush to get it out but i understand that it is often higher up on a chain saying do it.

For ddo devs i am sorry that so many people will not calmly find something else to do while game is down and instead they yell at you guys. Thanks for working quickly to fix issues.

[Gauthaag]

If you mean in-game resources, those would roll back too. A roll back would basically re-wind the game to where things were before the update.

aaah, cool, so it strips me from gained xp, Mythic ship kickers I looted in Tavern brawl and time involved. well, no thank u.

If they can break stuff, they should be able to fix it - there was no rollback when my iced stuff was ruined all over, there was also no one when random loot got ghostbaned. And I definitely don't remember one in time of Great Prejudice

[kittikatgurl]

Rollback! Plz!

Rolling back the servers might be a tolerable (or desirable) solution for many players, but not for everyone.

For people on slow internet connections or on capped internet, having to reinstall the game would be a nightmare. It's easy to see why Turbine doesn't want to do this. It simply wouldn't be fair on a good proportion of players.

[Cleanincubus]

Roll back? No thanks.

[IronClan]

Unfortunately, it isn't possible to revert a change without a new build. We can do a formal rollback prior to opening the worlds, but if we do one after the worlds have opened, then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.

How damning is it that the community manager is actually discussing an actual real roll back?

So Honest question Jerry is maintenance mode after the holidays?

Because the only times I've seen an update rushed this bad were:
1) when the game was soon to be shut down
1A) when it was a retail game and the publisher was about to recall the title and cancel it (Football Pro's last and failed incarnation) due to how unfinished it was
1B) when the game was formating peoples hard drives if you uninstalled it, and the publisher canceled the title and recalled it (a D&D game the name of which escapes me but IIRC it was later re-released in a less broken state, may have been a ToEE or Myth Drannor based game.)
2) When the game was going into a rushed maintenance mode and the last update was basically being finished by unpaid employees who already had their walking papers.
3) When Turbine [?]

That is some embarrassad (Embarrassing and Sad) company to be included into...

[lillentle]

Rolling back would not be fun, not all of us have super fast internet.

[Iron_Claw]

Rolling back would not be fun, not all of us have super fast internet.

Dude are you ****ing serious right now ? What is so **** difficult about reinstalling the game again like everyone else ?

Would you rather not be able to play the game at all for several weeks ? Don't be a fool...

[Iron_Claw]

Please turbine, can you be a little more like blizzard ???

[Riddle_of_Steel]

Would it not be possible to "fix" the build. Roll back the servers and publish a new build (thus requiring ALL launchers to update)?

It seems strange to me to think that this would not be possible if the version of the roll back fix was higher than the one that was released. It would likely mean that the dev's would have to create a whole new build but if you are in post-live roll back mode anyway the extra time needed for that is negligible compared to getting it right the second time.

I do know that DDO can patch from much older versions as I have a friend who was off for almost a year but never uninstalled the game. The had a pretty big patch process to go through but it patched just fine and he was able to play without a reinstall.

[Silverleafeon]

...then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.

Which would take till next morning for me even with DSL.
Its pretty much a full day just to download DDO.

The fact that my main made level 29 and pulled two nice items is not real important to me.
Either way, I wait.

Main thing is fix the update, you can do it.

[kittikatgurl]

Dude are you ****ing serious right now ? What is so **** difficult about reinstalling the game again like everyone else ?

Would you rather not be able to play the game at all for several weeks ? Don't be a fool...

For people on slow or capped internet, a rollback would mean that they couldn't play for days or weeks. It's very unlikely that it will take Turbine anywhere close to that long to get this resolved, especially as they are talking about late tonight.

[lillentle]

Dude are you ****ing serious right now ? What is so **** difficult about reinstalling the game again like everyone else ?

Would you rather not be able to play the game at all for several weeks ? Don't be a fool...

What's so difficult about a new update reinstalling the old loot system? Where are you getting several weeks from?
at less than 500mb/s a second reinstalling would take far too long.

[gaffneyks]

One point we are missing.

The first thing they did was shut down the shard auction and crafting hall. Now what does that tell us.

The last thing this game needs is a bunch of screwed up overpowered items that guru crafter just made flooding the market.


Quite frankly they should have rolled back after the duping.

Now we will have a bunch of people claiming the game isn't hard enough after they crafted a bunch of this
overpowered bug loot.

[Stonemerge]

Unfortunately, it isn't possible to revert a change without a new build. We can do a formal rollback prior to opening the worlds, but if we do one after the worlds have opened, then any player who patched up their launcher between the time we rolled back to and the time we brought the world down would need to uninstall and then re-install the game client.

and thats why we should NEVER play on a patch day

we were warned from the Lam Players that this update would be a fail ... Turbine knew that and they did not care

rollback now and repair your update after the holidays

[Iron_Claw]

^This

[kittikatgurl]

and thats why we should NEVER play on a patch day

we were warned from the Lam Players that this update would be a fail ... Turbine knew that and they did not care

rollback now and repair your update after the holidays

Admittedly, I never honestly expected to be able to play today. It would have been wonderful if we could, but something seems to go wrong with every major patch, especially as they really were trying to do a lot in one go with this one.

[Gauthaag]

One point we are missing.

The first thing they did was shut down the shard auction and crafting hall. Now what does that tell us.

The last thing this game needs is a bunch of screwed up overpowered items that guru crafter just made flooding the market.


Quite frankly they should have rolled back after the duping.

Now we will have a bunch of people claiming the game isn't hard enough after they crafted a bunch of this
overpowered bug loot.

what u re missing is good proof for your deduction

what they are missing is bit useful QA - working like game dev myself I cant imagine no one have noticed impact of loot changes

[Iron_Claw]

Admittedly, I never honestly expected to be able to play today. It would have been wonderful if we could, but something seems to go wrong with every major patch, especially as they really were trying to do a lot in one go with this one.

Stop being a fanboy and let them do their job.

[lillentle]

One point we are missing.

The first thing they did was shut down the shard auction and crafting hall. Now what does that tell us.

The last thing this game needs is a bunch of screwed up overpowered items that guru crafter just made flooding the market.


Quite frankly they should have rolled back after the duping.

Now we will have a bunch of people claiming the game isn't hard enough after they crafted a bunch of this
overpowered bug loot.

Why not just delete the new OP items? They seem to be able to delete items pretty easily.

"NEW: Cannith Crafting does not work correctly with new randomly-generated items. Please do not craft onto new randomly-generated items as these particular Cannith Crafted items will be destroyed in an upcoming patch."

[Gremmlynn]

aaah, cool, so it strips me from gained xp, Mythic ship kickers I looted in Tavern brawl and time involved. well, no thank u.

If they can break stuff, they should be able to fix it - there was no rollback when my iced stuff was ruined all over, there was also no one when random loot got ghostbaned. And I definitely don't remember one in time of Great PrejudiceHow many days/weeks with the game being down while they "fix" the issue would make it worthwhile for you to lose a couple hours progress? Personally, I'm willing to concede the time I played if it means getting to play while they get u29 done right. Frankly, I've already lost more potential progress by the servers being down than I gained while they were up.

[IronClan]

5 gig WiFi $10 dollars per gig extra

So rollback? at least $30 plus using 8+ gigs of my monthly allotment

I vote for rollback if this problem is catastrophic I will probably upgrade my plan and finagle a month of unlimited or something.

If however hot fixes can fix this borken mess in a reasonable time frame I'd prefer to see hot fixes.

Seriously considering just joining the Shroud of the Avatar beta... Ultima Online in all but name. UO was so much gaming awesome...

[Tahkhesis]

Ok...bear with me...

The new loot was broken, making raid loot worthless. The old loot was broken, stripping off like everything in sight...Start over, pretend it didn't happen, and just bring this sucker out in January. The new quests were crispy as F**k so you 1000000000% have my support, cash, attention, and thanks...not counting all my stuff being busted.

So in summation, picture Luda saying "back" instead of "out" and that totally sums up my vote... Roll Back!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t21DFnu00Dc

[Gremmlynn]

Would it not be possible to "fix" the build. Roll back the servers and publish a new build (thus requiring ALL launchers to update)?

It seems strange to me to think that this would not be possible if the version of the roll back fix was higher than the one that was released. It would likely mean that the dev's would have to create a whole new build but if you are in post-live roll back mode anyway the extra time needed for that is negligible compared to getting it right the second time.

I do know that DDO can patch from much older versions as I have a friend who was off for almost a year but never uninstalled the game. The had a pretty big patch process to go through but it patched just fine and he was able to play without a reinstall.This confuses me too. I would think they would still have the old build and could make it so it patched over the U29 build.

[AngryDude]

Well.. some positive spin.

Ebineezer. The ghost of Christmas past invaded Boston. Brought a power outage and cursed random loot. Probably won't see ddo for a weekend. So now you can do some last minute shopping and get worked up to make other people's Christmas better etc.

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/10/18/15/enhanced-buzz-19880-1350588921-13.jpg

[CavernDragon]

Have to say, happy I didn't take the night off. And its Star Wars tomorrow night. See ya all on sat..

[Xxyyn]

Given the loot that's been created, you have no choice but to rollback. Just do it now instead of waiting 8 hours and then rolling back.

[Gauthaag]

This confuses me too. I would think they would still have the old build and could make it so it patched over the U29 build.

that's what I d welcome, with later patch removing obviously broken items, whtever. they were able to change ml of items retroactively - why not make it again with no ml cap. u can have your nice ml56 item.

there were time when we had +6 ability no ml items - fixed. and times, when we could use ED thru heroics - fixed. Those were more broken than anything that could happen now and there was no roll back

[Chazore]

Dude are you ****ing serious right now ? What is so **** difficult about reinstalling the game again like everyone else ?

Would you rather not be able to play the game at all for several weeks ? Don't be a fool...

Me and others like me have slow enough internet that a reinstall for me takes a minimum of 4 days without interruption but in a house of 4 people i cannot simply tell them i am taking all the bandwidth for 4 days so i can reinstall my game so it will take me at least a week. I suggest find something besides ddo to entertain yourself for a while life has may things to take your attention for a while.

[Krell]

And here I was feeling a little regret that I was missing out on update day because I bought Star Wars tickets.

[Captain_Wizbang]

ok sports fans, I tried to find the post a dev made on this subject 4 or so years ago. No luck...

But I remember the gist of a rollback...

The amount of coding needed to make this possible far outweighs the amount needed to isolate the few lines of code or the characters in those lines and fix them.

In a nutshell, a rollback isn't as easy as product pricing at walmart.

And the risk of further corrupting other code is a real issue.

Rollbacks are a last ditch effort and not something we need them to spend valuable time on.

so, my fellow forumites, get your eggnog, hot toddy's, warm milk, whatever, and go surf the web to find a webcam stream of star wars. Or do something unique like saying hello to your family. OMG

[Silverleafeon]

Admittedly, I never honestly expected to be able to play today. It would have been wonderful if we could, but something seems to go wrong with every major patch, especially as they really were trying to do a lot in one go with this one.

I'll just pretend the overtime took much longer than anticipated, and go watch TV.
Fix the game, its gotta be done regardless.

GL and TY Devs for working overtime.

[Sorczilla]

Great, now I have to actually talk to my wife and kids. Thanks for nothing Turbine :p

[Amundir]

Never play on upgrade day, or maybe even the day after.

Things to do:
Grab your popcorn and enjoy the forums.
Hope it's not the straw that breaks the camel's back and there's a large group of people who leave the game.
Flip on some youtube and find an interesting lets play and relax.

[akwillowbear]

We are totally fine with that. It's not like the game is hard to install and it leaves the ini file out there. So it's not we lose any settings.

Some of us are off for the holidays and wanted to play.

Rollback and we will just reinstall. The game wasn't up that long before it was shut down. it can't be that many of us that will have to uninstall/reinstall. Don't penalize the majority for the minority of us
who logged right on. That's our fault for not waiting a little while for you to smoke test it.

For some it is a big deal to reinstall and can take days and/or are limited to how many gb they can use

[Amundir]

For some it is a big deal to reinstall and can take days and/or are limited to how many gb they can use

You know, having said this, there should really be a torrent option...

Edit: doesn't really help if your hitting your max bandwidth, but still...

[EllisDee37]

For some it is a big deal to reinstall and can take days and/or are limited to how many gb they can useWhat percentage of those people logged on during the hour it was up?

My understanding is that only the people who actually logged on would need to reinstall. Everyone else (the vast majority?) would notice no change the next time they logged on.

[moomooprincess]

For me, this update took a VERY short time. I have seen some updates take quite sometime, but this one happened very quickly.

[Zafaron]

My suggestion would be to go ahead and fix the existing build as quickly as possible without a rollback, and maybe give players some bonus turbine points/astral shards for their trouble with whatever items they had that got messed up. I'm sure an extra 5000-10000 turbine points would be enough of a balm to ease the pain of loosing a few loot gen items.

[Tahkhesis]

My suggestion would be to go ahead and fix the existing build as quickly as possible without a rollback, and maybe give players some bonus turbine points/astral shards for their trouble with whatever items they had that got messed up. I'm sure an extra 5000-10000 turbine points would be enough of a balm to ease the pain of loosing a few loot gen items.

OK...ok...Hear me out. Here's an analogy to put it in perspective: So I went to a restaurant once. I ordered something that cost 0.00138888888 dollars (1 hour based on roughly 20 bucks a month VIP, approx. 720 hours per month). It came out super sucky. I sent it back. They were like "my b. But we're gonna get it right. Just be a little patient." So I left because they were like "to get this blanky blank right, we need like 14 hours (0.0.01944444444 dollars based on the same equation) because the oven is being all stupid". Now, I really dig the place, so I'll go back. OR I could be like "nah man. Gimme 60 bucks, you jerk."

LOL...I'm sorry. I was on when the server went bye-bye. There is absolutely zero desire for Turbine to give me 60 bucks worth of TP for 50 minutes of fun but glitchy play and some downtime to make the trains run on time. Dude...C'mon. 10,000 TP??! LOL!!

And yeah, the worlds are down. But stuff happens, it's tech. I write for ecommerce and the portal craps the bed on the daily, but it happens. We're not dead, we're not in jail, DDO didn't raise the rent, aliens haven't alien-ed us, and tigers haven't shown up to eat us in our sleep. All things considered, things could be worse.

I sincerely apologize, I'm not trying to be an ass, but the forums lately are filled with "gimme gimme gimme" and it's lame as hell. Stuff happens. It's life. When Skype drops a call, Amazon sends your DVD to Paris, Texas instead of France, or the landlord jacks the rent up 50 bucks, it's not the end of days. We can't just expect someone to make it rain cause things are moderately inconvenient.

(I totally had the night off to play DDO, but whatever. The forums are incredibly hilarious tonight. Season 4 of the Simpsons hilarious)

[Power_Creep]

I left the game I've been playing for the last four years because it started getting torn apart by the developers.

Many of my friends followed me. And now just several weeks into building momentum for our group, this happens.

With the dwindling population this game has I have been reluctant to spend much money on it. Now I definitely will not.

I hope all of the equipment I have, that now is stripped bare of all properties, is returned to my toons or I'm out before I even got started...

As a whole, we spend a good deal of money on gaming, but this may simply not be the place for us.

I'll look again some other time.

[Ganak]

The new Star Wars is pretty awesome.

[Robai]

No, don't it bring back, because those bugs will result in even more bugs, which later will be hard to fix.

Instead, roll servers back and then let us play the working game (even if that would require reinstalling the game).

U29 is a good example of a failed update.
I hope this lesson will be learned:
- updates should never go on live unless ALL reported bugs from Lamania are fixed
- sticking with deadliness should be LOW priority compared to fixing bugs (I don't think any players would be unhappy if they had to wait +1 month for an update)

[akpavker]

server roll back?

they don't do things like that for a simple screw up in coding for the game play or random loot gen.....

what the possibility that some one knew about an exploit and manage to get some free stuff, that would be something worthy of a roll back. considering what has happened in the past....which is partially the reason why the game is nearly dead.

personally i don't care if there is a roll back as i didn't get to log on when the servers came up, so i wont lose any thing.

[FestusHood]

As someone with a low speed dsl connection, i would vote for them trying any possible solution that didn't involve a rollback first. Reinstalling the client would require several days for me if i did it non stop. More likely it would be longer than that in reality.

[adfkj]

The new Star Wars is pretty awesome.

Yes... yes it is. I just discovered this too. Thanks Turbine!

[Turtlsdown]

I left the game I've been playing for the last four years because it started getting torn apart by the developers.

Many of my friends followed me. And now just several weeks into building momentum for our group, this happens.

With the dwindling population this game has I have been reluctant to spend much money on it. Now I definitely will not.

I hope all of the equipment I have, that now is stripped bare of all properties, is returned to my toons or I'm out before I even got started...

As a whole, we spend a good deal of money on gaming, but this may simply not be the place for us.

I'll look again some other time.

Awesome first post. ::quarter sound:: Welcome to the D&D World!

[goodspeed]

We are totally fine with that. It's not like the game is hard to install and it leaves the ini file out there. So it's not we lose any settings.

Some of us are off for the holidays and wanted to play.

Rollback and we will just reinstall. The game wasn't up that long before it was shut down. it can't be that many of us that will have to uninstall/reinstall. Don't penalize the majority for the minority of us
who logged right on. That's our fault for not waiting a little while for you to smoke test it.

Thats right! Sacrifice the few for the good of the many. It worked against zeke in the great z war!

[Zafaron]

OK...ok...Hear me out. Here's an analogy to put it in perspective: So I went to a restaurant once. I ordered something that cost 0.00138888888 dollars (1 hour based on roughly 20 bucks a month VIP, approx. 720 hours per month). It came out super sucky. I sent it back. They were like "my b. But we're gonna get it right. Just be a little patient." So I left because they were like "to get this blanky blank right, we need like 14 hours (0.0.01944444444 dollars based on the same equation) because the oven is being all stupid". Now, I really dig the place, so I'll go back. OR I could be like "nah man. Gimme 60 bucks, you jerk."

LOL...I'm sorry. I was on when the server went bye-bye. There is absolutely zero desire for Turbine to give me 60 bucks worth of TP for 50 minutes of fun but glitchy play and some downtime to make the trains run on time. Dude...C'mon. 10,000 TP??! LOL!!

And yeah, the worlds are down. But stuff happens, it's tech. I write for ecommerce and the portal craps the bed on the daily, but it happens. We're not dead, we're not in jail, DDO didn't raise the rent, aliens haven't alien-ed us, and tigers haven't shown up to eat us in our sleep. All things considered, things could be worse.

I sincerely apologize, I'm not trying to be an ass, but the forums lately are filled with "gimme gimme gimme" and it's lame as hell. Stuff happens. It's life. When Skype drops a call, Amazon sends your DVD to Paris, Texas instead of France, or the landlord jacks the rent up 50 bucks, it's not the end of days. We can't just expect someone to make it rain cause things are moderately inconvenient.

(I totally had the night off to play DDO, but whatever. The forums are incredibly hilarious tonight. Season 4 of the Simpsons hilarious)

I was more talking about the people who's existing items got screwed up, assuming they don't get them back. Using your analogy, it would be like when you ordered something at the restaurant, the cook went out and knocked the mirror off of your car while he was messing up your order. :P (And the super high amount of turbine points might have been a little more like a first offer for selling the car. It never ends up at the first offer, especially since it's missing a mirror now)

[Tahkhesis]

I was more talking about the people who's existing items got screwed up, assuming they don't get them back. Using your analogy, it would be like when you ordered something at the restaurant, the cook went out and knocked the mirror off of your car while he was messing up your order. :P (And the super high amount of turbine points might have been a little more like a first offer for selling the car. It never ends up at the first offer, especially since it's missing a mirror now)

I legit LOL'ed at the car mirror scenario--and kinda keep cracking up about it. "especially since it's missing a mirror now" LOL. Well played.

[AngryDude]

I would like to see some of the loot. Even if some loot was bad. Would like to see what the good loot was and the bad +0 loot. I would want a ring with 5-6 augment slots.

[goodspeed]

oh man I totally called it. They sacrificed them all lol.