Dual Boxing?

[rlarge]

Now t hat I have managed to make 2 ddo accounts I am thinking about leveling 2 toons together with dual boxing. not sure how this works or even if allowed in ddo. I did it way back when with wow and it was nice. wow allowed somekind of software, can't remember name, that let you control two, or many, toons at once. commands like follow the main etc.

ok, my questions are these, so far anyway:

1- is this allowed in dnd, 2 t oons at once? I can get both up and running but don't see a way to control t hem t ogether.
2- is it not allowed at all or considered illegal?
3- any other coments or info you deem important.

thx in advance.

[Coyopa]

It's allowed to multi-box. Otherwise, they wouldn't have baked that capability into the launcher. As for the rest, since I don't multi-box, I can't answer those questions.

[rlarge]

ok ty. at least I know it is allowed even if only for storage which was my first reason until I remembered Dual Boxing .thx

[Amundir]

If one or both of the accounts do not have access to open hard or elite on the first run, then for many quests you can open the higher difficulty for another player by having it unlocked for yourself.

1) You have to be in a party with each other.
2) Both of you have to have the quest ready to run (messes up chains for the most part).
3) The quest entrance is an inanimate object, not a person.

Typically if those criteria are met for player A, who can open the quest on hard or elite, then player B can open the quest first time also on the harder difficulty, without player A even having to participate (which in some cases would be bad if they were over level, thus causing an xp penalty).

[bracelet]

Dual-boxing is allowed. Automation is trickier. I believe the industry consensus is that it's ok if you are at the computer playing in some capacity. This is to accommodate individuals that need automation to overcome personal disabilities, but rather than validate every case, the industry has accepted it in all cases. It's a moot point though. I don't think the main thing you want can be accomplished: you can't get follow me style behavior.

Unless there is something special at the end of the quest, just enter the quest on both toons and immediately log one of them out. Do the quest, log the other toon in before completing optionals, and then one more time after the quest is complete and before the active toon recalls.

Multi boxing is a money maker for Turbine. There is one guy who hasn't posted in a while that had 6 paid up accounts that he used to farm gear. It's not cheating. He paid money for all those packs. He was like 6 customers all by himself.

[DrowsworD]

Now t hat I have managed to make 2 ddo accounts I am thinking about leveling 2 toons together with dual boxing. not sure how this works or even if allowed in ddo. I did it way back when with wow and it was nice. wow allowed somekind of software, can't remember name, that let you control two, or many, toons at once. commands like follow the main etc.

ok, my questions are these, so far anyway:

1- is this allowed in dnd, 2 t oons at once? I can get both up and running but don't see a way to control t hem t ogether.
2- is it not allowed at all or considered illegal?
3- any other coments or info you deem important.

thx in advance.

It is allowed, as said before. You cannot log into two characters on the same account, of course, but you can create as many accounts and characters as you need.

There are NOT, however, to my knowledge, any in game methods/commands to make one character follow or work with another. Some folks I know have mastered running two characters (left and right handed?) but I can't do it. I have tried. At least one ends up running into walls or off cliffs as I fight with the other, or one ends up parked in a section of the dungeon (piking) as my 'main' goes looking for more things to kill.

There have been requests, suggestions, etc for follow-type commands to be created, but nothing has happened on that front.

And, if I am not mistaken, it is again the Terms of Use to use bots, scripts or other means to control a character.

[rlarge]

sigh. ok. atm I am forming party of t wo and jumping from screen to screen, have two monitors, to move them to where I want them. then the best guy fights/opens door/etc. that works somewhat but can't fight them both. from what I am reading above that is best I can do and it won't work for all quests apparently, if I am reading correctly. thx for input so far. will keep watching this post to see if anything new p[ops up. ty all

[Ykt]

but can't fight them both

In most quests there is a bit of exploring but for quests/raids with just a room and waves of monsters, you can put 1 on auto-attack (devil assault, shroud, vision of destruction ...)

[Livmo]

sigh. ok. atm I am forming party of t wo and jumping from screen to screen, have two monitors, to move them to where I want them. then the best guy fights/opens door/etc. that works somewhat but can't fight them both. from what I am reading above that is best I can do and it won't work for all quests apparently, if I am reading correctly. thx for input so far. will keep watching this post to see if anything new p[ops up. ty all

I don't use any automation, but I do play 2 toons at the same time once and while.

My laptop keyboard is elevated just in front of my desktop keyboard. Both mice are to my right. The laptop monitior is viewable just below the desktop monitor.

[rlarge]

what/how is auto attack
that will work for me in t he beginning quests I think
not sure how to do it though

[Coyopa]

what/how is auto attack
that will work for me in t he beginning quests I think
not sure how to do it though

Double-click the left mouse button and that should turn on auto-attack. Then, when that character has something hard targeted (meaning you've done something like pressing Tab to select the monster and it stays selected even when you're not facing it) the character will attack the monster until either the monster or the character is dead.

[slarden]

There are NOT, however, to my knowledge, any in game methods/commands to make one character follow or work with another.

There is a way once you in the quest. Make sure the dual box is poorly geared. Have it run ahead to the first mob. Carry the soul stone to the end fight. It will follow you.

[rlarge]

lol well I think I will try the auto attack first. the dying and carrying soul stone will surely work but..... kind of goes against the reason for having 2 t oons to help fight though. it does work though but..

[Livmo]

lol well I think I will try the auto attack first. the dying and carrying soul stone will surely work but..... kind of goes against the reason for having 2 t oons to help fight though. it does work though but..

You could just spam heals form the alt onto your main toon. Invis and hide your alt healer ina corner and just spam 1 key on your laptop to keep your main toon healed as you battle.

[rlarge]

well that is a good one also. going to try the auto attk first then the heal one if necessary. won't be able to try either fir a bit. honey do's. :( Doesn't she know I need play time. lololol thx again to all who are helping

[stoopid_cowboy]

I often dual box on my PC.
You just need two DDO clients downloaded to two different directories. Dual boxing is easier with dual monitors. Run in window mode then you can click from screen to screen to move characters.

During buddy bonus events (when the XP is worthwhile to do it) I even fire up my laptop and three box.

Dual boxing takes away a lot of the pain on a caster TR during low levels. Leave lvl4 whizzard parked at the door and zerg ahead on a Pally.

[rlarge]

yes your setup is what I have. dual monitors. just wanted way to make it easier to work the two together. apparently not one available. will try the auto attk on second toon when I can get on to play. hope to avoid the get one killed and carry him alongas I want the tow to help fight with each other

[Greantun]

I often dual box on my PC.
You just need two DDO clients downloaded to two different directories.

You don't need to download and install 2 clients. The launcher has an option to keep itself open after you started a client. You can then just enter the new credentials and get another client running.

[rlarge]

yes ty. that is what I use. when I was talking about 2 clients I was spwaking of ddi client and steam client. steam does not allow two instances while ddo does. I had to delete dnd from steam (could have just not loaded it from steam I guess) and download ddo client. that part works fine.

[Livmo]

You don't need to download and install 2 clients. The launcher has an option to keep itself open after you started a client. You can then just enter the new credentials and get another client running.

I use only one installation and multi-box. Click on the icon and launch the game. Log in

Alt+tab back to desktop and click on the icon again and when teh client comes up, select the next account on the drop-down menu and login. Rinse and repeat.

You only need one installation of the game. I don't use Steam.

[rlarge]

lol Yes I am using only one ddo client to run both accounts at same time.

[stoopid_cowboy]

You don't need to download and install 2 clients. The launcher has an option to keep itself open after you started a client. You can then just enter the new credentials and get another client running.

Well that's good to know!
In the old days, you needed multiple game copies. I guess I can stop living in the past.

[rlarge]

lol. still wishing for a dual boxing app like wow had years ago. was much easier to dual box with one than this setup is but things are what t hey are. :(

[deuxanes]

I tried dual boxing for some time (quite some time ago). Back then I had one DDO client (windowed mode) run on my physical machine and one within a VM with toned down grafic settings. I took two builds that suplemented each other (buffing, traps, healing and melee covered). If you got an active subscription on one account than you can open quests on elite. You may need to buy guest passes for some quests for your second account, though.

Didn't bother with automation since I switched between toons as needed and two are just manageable.

Additionally I used some hirelings as meatshields. Customizable hirelings would have made things easier.

[rlarge]

yes, I have been able t o handle 2 toons in quests so far but could only fight one or the other. have only done 4 lvl 1 quests so far so am pretty sure it will get much harder to do without auto attk as quests get harder. no experience really so only a guess. If unbongwah comes through with 2 build requests I will have a tank and ranged melee with rogue skills also. if the tank can keep agro without my attention and ranged guy has enough dps it may work out fine. no way to tell before getting toons.

[Livmo]

yes, I have been able t o handle 2 toons in quests so far but could only fight one or the other. have only done 4 lvl 1 quests so far so am pretty sure it will get much harder to do without auto attk as quests get harder. no experience really so only a guess. If unbongwah comes through with 2 build requests I will have a tank and ranged melee with rogue skills also. if the tank can keep agro without my attention and ranged guy has enough dps it may work out fine. no way to tell before getting toons.

That is why I have my laptop positioned between the main keyboard and main monitor. I can see both screens and use both keyboards the same time. Mice are next to each other on the right.

I can play 2 toons at the same time like this, but sometimes suck at both toons. However, there some quests where I can play both at the same time succesfully. Or I like to leap frog them thru the quest. Play one to shrine or some way point and move the next one up or switch off depending on baddie match-ups to get the upper hand.

[rlarge]

yes. My two monitors on desktop work basically the same way other than not having two keyboards. I see both toons at same time and just move cursor to the screen that I want to move toon on. leap froging works pretty well for moving t he toons through quest. does not help with fighting only one toon at a time though.

[Greyhawk6]

I use 4 accounts. One sub, 3 free. I pike the other 3 accounts and use them to open chests and grab 3x more out of them. I also use 1 rogue so I dont have to worry about traps. This is all on the same PC using one installation.

Massive downside is that there is no auto-follow feature which makes multiboxing any adventure take far too long for anything other than a solo session. Unless you have very forgiving quest-mates there's no way to multibox in a pickup group I reckon.

I'm trying to level a solo guild with 4 accounts. its lvl 20 atm. Mainly just for a laugh and a challenge.

[EllisDee37]

If unbongwah comes through with 2 build requests I will have a tank and ranged melee with rogue skills also.You might be interested in the Dual-box Openers thread linked in my signature. It's mostly mechanic (ranged with rogue skills) builds.

[rlarge]

interesting. what I am hoping for is a trap toon and ranged toon. one of them will have healing self/other toon. I am considering the park/invisable suggestion. will start with the auto attk suggestion first to see if it is viable for me. I am using the two new accounts (f2p with premium. not sure how much money I need t o spend to get premium so..} to level from 1-??. I will go as slow as necessary as I am not interested in getting to 20 (if I get there at all) fast. slow is good in this case. I have private messaged unbongwah to see if he will make two builds for me just for dual boxing. trapper and ranged with no other required for him other than classes that come with f2p. not sure if he does this anymore so may take me awhile but will see. no answer yet but only asked last night. will see.

[TheRedViking]

I dual box quite a bit. I have two computers sitting side by side. I have 2 pairs of characters that were built for dual boxing specifically. When I dual box, I run with a melee on one screen and a ranged on the other. My ranged characters both have trapping ability.
I also have a cleric that I started at lvl 15 and have just gotten to lvl 20 so I can use her to assist in Devil Assault Token farming with my main characters (4 tokens are better than 2 :)

I am getting better at running two characters through wilderness zones and some quests at the same time. Still run into the lava some in GH and still have plenty of face to wall experiences, but im getting better.

In combat, I turn on auto attack on my ranged character and mainly control my melee. I continuously glance at the screen of my ranged so once he kills what he is shooting, I can hit tab to move to the next enemy. I wish there was a way to automatically hard target so I don't have to do that. But its not too bad.

I started dual boxing because sometimes I just don't feel like running with a group. Not often, but sometimes. I also do it for the additional challenge. Its fun in its own way trying to figure out how to play two characters at once. It's kind of another aspect of the game for me.

A friend of mine dual boxes a lot. He has solo dual boxed FOT and HOX. I haven't tried a raid yet. Perhaps I will later.

[TheRedViking]

f2p with premium. not sure how much money I need t o spend to get premium so..}
any amount is enough to get premium. Buy the least amount of Turbine Points available (I think about $8 USD) on both accounts and for $16 both accounts are premium. That gives you a total of 8 character slots and a few other perks over the F2P. Certainly worth the money.

I started dual boxing a few months ago when steam had the expansion packs on sale. My main account is VIP so I bought both expansion packs for my second account. The total cost was only $22.00 and I got a lot of content and 3k TPs. It was a great deal.

[rlarge]

yes, I read another post about that. I am hoping black Friday will have those from ddo. other than the two expansion packs do you have/bought any other content? or are those expansions all there is? my main acct is vip with both expansions so not really looked into anything like this.

[Shindurza]

I started dual boxing some time ago, but using only one machine and alt-tabbing between the two. I tend to run Pale Masters so my second account was always a rogue so I could get all the traps and locks in whatever I do. I would bring hires on both toons and you CAN set the hirelings to follow whomever you wish, which is nice. Within the last several months I have started tri-boxing the game on one CPU. My third account has only Bards so far. I'm actually having a blast with this and not doing much dungeon work myself. I bring hires on all 3 toons AND I have my Skeleton. I go buff crazy with the bard and some with the PM and then I set my alt accounts hirelings to follow my main accounts hireling, and I put them on active. I then essentially head off with what is a party of 5 controlled by me.

I have been doing The Night Revels this way and it makes running Haverdashed and Ravagement 5 minute runs. Ringleader is a bit longer, and Snitch and Lich is quite a task with its multiple ups and downs, but I have done that one in less than 10 minutes.

I AM in a small guild with some friends but we all have strange hours so I spend a lot of time online by myself, and this actually makes the game more fun for me.

YMMV

-Shin

[EllisDee37]

yes, I read another post about that. I am hoping black Friday will have those from ddo. other than the two expansion packs do you have/bought any other content? or are those expansions all there is? my main acct is vip with both expansions so not really looked into anything like this.For my dual-box account I started off with both expansions last Black Friday, then have subsequently bought 1950 TP for $20 twice during double bonus point sales and waited for pack sales before buying any. That's ~7000 TP purchased, with another ~2000 or so TP from favor while leveling my various dual-box alts plus running the other servers to 100 favor. Here's what I have so far:


Adventure Pack Price Sale Spent
------------------------------------------
The Catacombs 250 25% 188
The Seal of Shan-To-Kor 250 25% 188
Tangleroot Gorge 550 25% 413
The Sharn Syndicate 350 20% 280
Phiarlan Carnival (450) motu
The Necropolis Part 1 350 20% 280
Three-Barrel Cove 695 21% 550
Delera's Tomb 850 20% 680
Sorrowdusk Isle 450 25% 338
Sentinels of Stormreach 450 25% 338
The Necropolis Part 2 350 25% 263
The Ruins of Threnal 450 20% 360
The Vault of Night 750 20% 600
The Red Fens 450 25% 338
Demon Sands 950 20% 760
The Restless Isles 350 20% 280
The Necropolis Part 3 350 25% 263
Attack on Stormreach (450) motu
Trial of the Archons 495 25% 371
Ruins of Gianthold 950 30% 665
The Necropolis Part 4 850 30% 595
Harbinger of Madness 450 30% 315
Reign of Madness 450 30% 315
The Path of Inspiration (350) motu
The Dreaming Dark (350) motu
------ -----
11,040 24% 8,380


If you count the packs that came with MotU, I have 12,640 TP worth of adventure packs and both expansions for $72.46. I own essentially everything from 1-15 except ToEE (which I don't run), Devil Assault (which I don't run until 18) and Devil's Gambit (which hasn't gone on sale yet). The account has over 600 TP right now just waiting for a sale on Devil's Gambit.

[rlarge]

ed37...ty. I wi watch for those. no hurryfor anything not on sale for now. ty


shindueza...this sounds very good. I will re-read this tomorrow when I am not so tired. I think I will try this once/if I get the two builds I ask for. ty

[Livmo]

For my dual-box account I started off with both expansions last Black Friday, then have subsequently bought 1950 TP for $20 twice during double bonus point sales and waited for pack sales before buying any. That's ~8000 TP purchased, plus whatever TP I get from favor, with the following packs currently owned:


Adventure Pack Price Sale Spent
------------------------------------------
The Catacombs 250 25% 188
The Seal of Shan-To-Kor 250 25% 188
Tangleroot Gorge 550 25% 413
The Sharn Syndicate 350 20% 280
Phiarlan Carnival (450) motu
The Necropolis Part 1 350 20% 280
Three-Barrel Cove 695 21% 550
Delera's Tomb 850 20% 680
Sorrowdusk Isle 450 25% 338
Sentinels of Stormreach 450 25% 338
The Necropolis Part 2 350 25% 263
The Ruins of Threnal 450 20% 360
The Vault of Night 750 20% 600
The Red Fens 450 25% 338
Demon Sands 950 20% 760
The Restless Isles 350 20% 280
The Necropolis Part 3 350 25% 263
Attack on Stormreach (450) motu
Trial of the Archons 495 25% 371
Ruins of Gianthold 950 30% 665
The Necropolis Part 4 850 30% 595
Harbinger of Madness 450 30% 315
Reign of Madness 450 30% 315
The Path of Inspiration (350) motu
The Dreaming Dark (350) motu
------ -----
11,040 24% 8,380


If you count the packs that came with MotU, I have 12,640 TP worth of adventure packs and both expansions for $72.46. I own essentially everything from 1-15 except ToEE, Devil Assault and Devil's Gambit. The account has over 600 TP right now but I'm still waiting for Devil's Gambit to be put on sale before I buy it.

Don't forget the half-orc pack. When those sales happnen it's $7.50 and comes with Turbine Points as well. When I build an alt I get that pack on sale for the cheap TPs.

The pack comes with:



Half-Orc Race. Tap the power of orcish blood as a half-orc! The strongest of all player races, half-orcs make excellent barbarians, fighters, and favored souls.

Power Evidence Trinket. Give your characters a boost with the Power Evidence trinket. Granting +1 STR, DEX, and CON, this trinket is a must for any melee class.

500 Turbine Points.


When I use the DDO Market Sale codes at https://myaccount.turbine.com/index.php I log in afters and spend the points from the packs on more game content :)

Did you know that when you out level the Power Evidence Trinket you can throw it away and when you TR/IR/ER you will get another one in your inventory? Please note this does not work with all items, but I have confirmed this for the Power Evidence Trinket.

[EllisDee37]

Don't forget the half-orc pack. When those sales happnen it's $7.50 and comes with Turbine Points as well. When I build an alt I get that pack on sale for the cheap TPs.I don't run half-orcs, and 500 TP for $7.50 is a worse deal than 1950 for $20.

That trinket looks kinda meh to me. A non-stacking +1 str/dex/con?

[Livmo]

I don't run half-orcs, and 500 TP for $7.50 is a worse deal than 1950 for $20.

That trinket looks kinda meh to me. A non-stacking +1 str/dex/con?

The TPs are a good throw in.

Perhaps you would should try half-orc? They can be allot fun. Here is one of mine and it's legit (no theory), https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/442096-Possible-Ranged-Artifcer-Build-for-Half-Orcs?highlight=harty

I a few others as well.

The trinket is good for like levels 1-3. I out grow it at 4.

[rlarge]

thx guys. I will try the dual box thing above later this weekend and see if I cav figure out when the sale will be and get what I can. two accts worth may be out of my cash range but will see. thx again. now if my build requests come through I will be set I think. can't wait to try db but will be patient for unbongwah and it will be what it is. I can always go with 2 run of the mill toons to try it. will check back later

[rlarge]

ok not working too bad so far. only doing level normal quests. two questions though. I don't seem to be able to set hirelings (lvl1) to follow anyone but there toon and though I clicked on t he auto attk it does not seem to work. do I need to set a key for it or something?
off to air force game so will check this when I get back. thx in advance for what\ever help I find.

[Augon]

yes, I read another post about that. I am hoping black Friday will have those from ddo. other than the two expansion packs do you have/bought any other content? or are those expansions all there is? my main acct is vip with both expansions so not really looked into anything like this.

I also bought the expansion packs from steam this past spring or winter. It was a good deal. (Thanks to someone, but i forget who, on the forums for posting about it!!!) With the expansion pack deal, I got 3000 Turbine points. With that I bought a few necessary packs - VON, GH, Vale, DA, 3BC and Sentinels of stormreach.

I had already dual boxed some, but now i do it a bit more. Even ran a couple of times with a guildie while dual boxing. Although I tend to not want to dualbox while in a party because i feel i am slowing the group down too much.

[TheRedViking]

I got 3k TPs with the two expansions. I used that to buy some other content.

I've not tried to get the hirelings to follow someone else in a while. Not sure if they've broken that or not. I'll try it next time.

When you turn on Auto-attack, you have to hard target the folks you want to attack. This usually means hitting the tab button. Once that guy is dead, you have to hard target the next guy. Its not really automatic, More like semi-automatic.

[Shindurza]

I don't seem to be able to set hirelings (lvl1) to follow anyone but there toon and though I clicked on t he auto attk it does not seem to work. do I need to set a key for it or something?


You need to highlight the toon you want the hire to follow by either left clicking their name in the party list on the screen OR by right clicking on them physically. When you do this your hireling bar should have a big shield appear where the gears normally appear(This is one big shield, not the two side by side shields that you click on to put the hire in defend mode). Click on that big shield and that hire should turn to face whatever toon you told it to follow and from that point on it will follow that toon throughout the dungeon unless you click on the "come to me" button which resets that hire back to following whichever toon summoned it.

-Shin

[rlarge]

so once I click on the toon to follow will the hireling follow and fight with auto attk on? I think someone said that was with tab or something. I am losing track somewhat. sorry. will re- read posts

[LrdSlvrhnd]

so once I click on the toon to follow will the hireling follow and fight with auto attk on? I think someone said that was with tab or something. I am losing track somewhat. sorry. will re- read posts

Yes, they will. Auto-attack is for PCs, though, not hires- though you may want to put hires in Aggressive mode when setting them to follow.

[rlarge]

hmm. ok but I still don't see how/where to set them to follow. I am assuming we r talking about the hireling set to follow one of my toons. hope so as that would let the hirelings help me fight while second toon of mine is parked.

[bracelet]

I started dual boxing some time ago, but using only one machine and alt-tabbing between the two. I tend to run Pale Masters so my second account was always a rogue so I could get all the traps and locks in whatever I do. I would bring hires on both toons and you CAN set the hirelings to follow whomever you wish, which is nice. Within the last several months I have started tri-boxing the game on one CPU. My third account has only Bards so far. I'm actually having a blast with this and not doing much dungeon work myself. I bring hires on all 3 toons AND I have my Skeleton. I go buff crazy with the bard and some with the PM and then I set my alt accounts hirelings to follow my main accounts hireling, and I put them on active. I then essentially head off with what is a party of 5 controlled by me.

I have been doing The Night Revels this way and it makes running Haverdashed and Ravagement 5 minute runs. Ringleader is a bit longer, and Snitch and Lich is quite a task with its multiple ups and downs, but I have done that one in less than 10 minutes.

I AM in a small guild with some friends but we all have strange hours so I spend a lot of time online by myself, and this actually makes the game more fun for me.

YMMV

-Shin

While I admire your dedication, you are probably taking far longer to do quests with an army than if you were doing them solo. It's an unusual combination of factors at play. First, most modern quests, including the Revels will spawn a number of monsters based on party size -and that includes hirelings. Secondly, the monsters that do spawn will have considerably more hit points (in all quests, not just the newer ones). In a party filled with real players, this won't matter. Real players will still be much faster than soloers. But in a party full of non-players and hires with incredibly bad AI, you are just creating a ton more work for yourself. The Revels is a special case obviously, because you are getting triple ingredients which can be converted to unbound augments, so there is additional incentive there. But were you to solo them, you should be able to get them done in well under 5 minutes, with the possible exception of Ringleader.

[EllisDee37]

The Revels is a special case obviously, because you are getting triple ingredients which can be converted to unbound augments, so there is additional incentive there. But were you to solo them, you should be able to get them done in well under 5 minutes, with the possible exception of Ringleader.You can park the alt accounts just outside the challenge entrance, solo it with your main, then just before or during the final boss fight quickly pop them inside.

You can even wait until after you kill the boss in Ravagement and Haverdashed because they don't complete until you talk to the NPC after the final boss dies.

[Connman]

For me dual boxing is kind of like this:

http://ct.iscute.com/ol/ic/sw/i59/2/1/8/ic_6a502b36e08b1d84969f809c8b455544.jpg

[rlarge]

well, I am sure you are right about the speed. maybe the increased difficulty will be t oo much also. however, I am doing it because I expect it to be fun once I get the procedure worked out. I have no problem with more time because of t he extra toons in quest. I don't care about the speed. If I can't get the every thing to work, one hireling follow other so they can fight, auto attk work. etc then I will probably give up. but I really want to do this. I don't run the things above post talked about anyway. I am leveling two toons, or hope to, from level 1 to 20. that's it. no epics etc. thx for all input however. I read all posts I get in response to my post and I consider all the answers too. Keep stuff coming, I will read and consider it. just may not follow it. then again I may indeed follow it. shrug.

[EllisDee37]

For my dual-box account I started off with both expansions last Black Friday, then have subsequently bought 1950 TP for $20 twice during double bonus point sales and waited for pack sales before buying any. That's ~7000 TP purchased, with another ~2000 or so TP from favor while leveling my various dual-box alts plus running the other servers to 100 favor.Correction: I started with the base shadowfell ($30) at half price, adding motu standard to my cart ($35) at half price for a total of $32.50, meaning I started with 2000 TP instead of 3000 TP.

Checking the favor on my dual-box alts, three of which have been re-rolled but not yet finished, my favor TP totals 3100, which gets me to 9000 TP and matches my records for what I spent and my remaining TP exactly:


Dual-box Favor TP
-----------------
350 first server to 2000: 50(5), 25(25), 25(50), 50(500), 100(1000), 100(2000)
700 other servers to 50
125 level 3 (1st) : 515
125 level 3 (2nd) : 581
375 level 7 (1st) : 1508
150 level 7 (2nd) : 640
600 level 11 (1st): 2440
level 11 (2nd):
675 level 15 : 2708
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3100
2000 expansions
1950 purchase
1950 purchase
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9000

[bracelet]

You can park the alt accounts just outside the challenge entrance, solo it with your main, then just before or during the final boss fight quickly pop them inside.

You can even wait until after you kill the boss in Ravagement and Haverdashed because they don't complete until you talk to the NPC after the final boss dies.

That's a pro tip!

[Erdrique]

Just as a side note, I have been dual boxing quite a bit lately with my VIP and Premium account. This helps tremendously with the advancement of my characters on my premium account because I open the quests on elite right away, however I typically only run the quest with one of the characters. I basically use the second character as back up if necessary. The only downside I have with this is picking up chests but as soon as I encounter one I bring the second account up to the chest to loot it and then switch back. I generally set up a schedule which I use to determine which of my dual boxed characters will be the primary for that night.

It has helped quite a bit. As for setting a hireling, if you bring forth a hireling from the second account, you can select on your primary character and click on the shield icon of the hireling to set it to guard your primary character.

PS-There are two shield icons, one is for defensive mode for the hireling, the other is for setting a hireling to guard something.

[rlarge]

ok I think I have the hireling follow thing figured out. My problem was I thought you were saying there were two shields showing on the hire but I never saw but one. I clicked it finally anyway and it seemed to work. I only got to try it once as the weekend lag tied my in knots so had to log out. I will try second time later. ty all for the help. Do you know when the black Friday sale for ddo will start?

[rlarge]

YES. Working nicely with main toon and the two hirelings. Leave second toon parked till I find a chest or get quite aways ahead t hen bring him up. Granted only doing low level quests atm (mostly lvl 1) but the concept seems to work nicely. will see when I go up in quest level though. thx again.

[Spekdah_NZ]

Why stop at 2? Elevate your drop rates with 6 boxing :-)

I always think of EQ when boxing comes up in forums. I have those memories of some players with a stream of other chars with /follow turned on, like a heard of sheep.
http://www.eqmagetower.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3895

DDO runs on quite old hardware, you could just use;
* one extra keyboard
* one extra screen
* stack of machines
* use a switch for the keyboard/screen to use each box

Can park all the extra chars at entrance and run them to chests at the end, for example Haunted Halls for 6 shots at each chest. Guess levelling up the extra accounts on one server is a bit painful.

If you have access to some servers, I know some others that have loaded up prebaked vm's on a server. Windows vms are of course easier, not got DDO running on Linux for a while but it's possible. Again if you don't need to actually play the chars just run them to chests then you can even use remote software as the visual redraw lag won't matter much.

Have fun.

[rlarge]

yes. I too remember running 3-4 toons in wow back when I was a great deal younger. Had /follow in wow so much easier. I am actually playing the 2 characters here so more would be way too much for this old man. not even thinking about the cost of all those packs for more than 2 toons. I was much younger back then also. doubt if I could do it today.












































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[LrdSlvrhnd]

Why stop at 2? Elevate your drop rates with 6 boxing :-)

I always think of EQ when boxing comes up in forums. I have those memories of some players with a stream of other chars with /follow turned on, like a heard of sheep.
http://www.eqmagetower.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3895

Reminds me of the trains I'd sometimes see in RuneQuest... some people would advertise as going somewhere and offer to let people follow, while others would just latch onto somebody who seems to be going their way without asking. (Everytime that happened to me, I'd lead 'em to a bunch of aggressive monsters and then teleport away... or out to the Wilderness and kill them... or just turn around and walk in the opposite direction...)

[rlarge]

one thing I did not expect is the requirement that I go through normal/hard/elite in that order as f2p/premium account. so if I understand it correctly only vip can do hard/elite in any order. that sorta sucks but other than that I am enjoying t he leveling of my two f2p/premium account toons. I am waiting/hoping that ddo has the packs mentioned above by someone for sale on black Friday or whenever they start their BF. will see. have not heard any ads on it yet. thanks to everyone that has posted here. I have gotten lots of suggestions and am using a lot, if not all, of them.

[Livmo]

one thing I did not expect is the requirement that I go through normal/hard/elite in that order as f2p/premium account. so if I understand it correctly only vip can do hard/elite in any order. that sorta sucks but other than that I am enjoying t he leveling of my two f2p/premium account toons. I am waiting/hoping that ddo has the packs mentioned above by someone for sale on black Friday or whenever they start their BF. will see. have not heard any ads on it yet. thanks to everyone that has posted here. I have gotten lots of suggestions and am using a lot, if not all, of them.

I use a Premium toon that already can open on Elite. With your Opener toon grab the quests and stand in the Harbor in-group and your other toon can open on Elite.

[rlarge]

both of my dual box toons are level 2, almost 3. both are premium but neither seems to be able to open hard or elite without doing in order of h/n/e.

[UurlockYgmeov]

check my signature for DDO-ML - great little tool for mboxing.

[Livmo]

both of my dual box toons are level 2, almost 3. both are premium but neither seems to be able to open hard or elite without doing in order of h/n/e.

When you complete the 1st life and TR into 2nd life your build will go from 28pts to 32pts and you will be able to open all the quests on Hard, etc.


True Reincarnation allows a Premium/Free to Play character to open quests on a higher difficulty - the first TR allows the character to open quests on Hard difficulty, and second and subsequent TR allow the character to open quests on Elite (VIPs can, of course, open all quests at Elite on any character).

http://ddowiki.com/page/Heroic_True_Reincarnation

[rlarge]

sigh. tring is a long way off. highest toon I have atm for dual boxing is level 3(almost). looks like I am stuck. :(

[EllisDee37]

For my dual-box account I leave alts at levels 3, 7, 11 and 15 for grouping. Those four alts can then open elite for my main account at any heroic level range through 16-17 with bravery.

I'll eventually (probably) add an 18 or 20 to finish off the heroic coverage, but I haven't bought the high level heroic packs on that account yet.

[rlarge]

that makes sense to me. did not understand the limit quite right. from what you said, I think, at lvl 3 that toon can open quests level 1-5, level 7 toon opens 5-9 level 11 opens 9-13, and level 15 opens 13-17. so I would always have a level toon with new toon for those levels plus their hirelings. is that correct?

[EllisDee37]

that makes sense to me. did not understand the limit quite right. from what you said, I think, at lvl 3 that toon can open quests level 1-5, level 7 toon opens 5-9 level 11 opens 9-13, and level 15 opens 13-17. so I would always have a level toon with new toon for those levels plus their hirelings. is that correct?Yep.

I only go one level over, though, meaning I use the 3 for 1-4, 7 for 5-8, etc... The builds are detailed in the Dual-box Openers link in signature.

I also don't use hirelings but there's no reason you can't.

[rlarge]

wow! I totally missed that you had builds for toons at all those levels. I am not only not smart but I can't read! I will have to start over but it will be worth it. I will continue with the 2 I an running now t ill I get one to level 13 and one to 11. then I will add two more. actually add the level 7 one while dropping one of the others at 11. so that I have a lev . um lost I will have to write it down but am sure, um almost sutr, I can figure it out to end up with 3, 7, 11, 15 at some point which will be my 4 f2p premium toons. thx for snhowing me the promise land! now to work on figuring it out to end up with what I need.

[rlarge]

ok, question for EllisDee37-- I have thinking hard on the way to level 4(5) toons to lvl 3,7,11,15.
the reason I know I have been thinking hard on it is the smoke filled room from brain overload NOT because of any results. The only way I see it working is to level a toon to 3 on his own and then another to 7 on his own et c. I see no way to use any opener toon to help level a new toon without opener gaining xp and going over his opener level unless you never level the opener if that even works. my hair is falling out from all the scratching. any enlightenment would be helpful. :(

[Mindos]

I see no way to use any opener toon to help level a new toon without opener gaining xp and going over his opener level unless you never level the opener if that even works.

Yes, you don't have to level.

[rlarge]

wow. if that is how it works then that is a lot of leveling to get 4 openers!! wow! I may have to rethink this some more after my brain,um , whatever cools down. thx

[EllisDee37]

wow. if that is how it works then that is a lot of leveling to get 4 openers!! wow!Yep, it sure is.

What I typically do is just drag an opener alt with me through quests on a life I would be running anyway until it's run all the quests up through its range. The most recent example is the 15 opener, who I left parked at the start of every quest from level 1 through level 15 on my most recent paladin life (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/453381-Completionist-Project?p=5686724&viewfull=1#post5686724).

Because I'm cheap and lazy, I never gave the opener any gear and never spent any of her enhancements. She was literally useless, and even worse she added scaling for my paladin. But when she finally hit level 15 I geared her up and man, I do love her killing power and utility now.

I haven't yet run her through gianthold, necro4 and mired in kobolds, but I do look forward to it. I think she'll make "soloing" necro4 quests a breeze, which I'm excited about. I've just been busy with other things lately. (Night Revels and getting the Character Builder ready for the changes needed when the level cap goes to 30.)

Next life I'll do the same thing for the 11.

EDIT: I don't think I'd recommend setting up openers on a first life uless you are VIP, since you can't open elite. A second life would work, since you can open hard, and after an opener runs hard it can open elite.

[rlarge]

yes that makes sense. how high do I need to get a first life? all the way to 20? maybe this idea is not good for me. I have only one toon to 10 and rest all way lower. sounded good but...... :(