Morninglord

[FranOhmsford]

Has anyone looked at the viability of a Morninglord Warlock without access to a +1 Lesser Heart yet?

How many Cleric Levels would you take?

And what's the viability of a Cleric Past Life split?

[Livmo]

Has anyone looked at the viability of a Morninglord Warlock without access to a +1 Lesser Heart yet?

How many Cleric Levels would you take?

And what's the viability of a Cleric Past Life split?

Not sure if you plan to use the AA enhacement tree via the Sun Elf enhacement tree (tier 3 and at tier 3 it costs 4 AP to get access to the AA tree). I mention because AA is up on live for discussion and changes are coming.

I have not tried this paring of classes yet, but you are looking at main stats of WIS and CHA. However, 3x Sun Elf past lifes would give +9 positive spellpower as a passive past life feat. Of course, you would have to have more Sun Elf than Warlock. Not sure how that would play, but maybe a melee build.

It you want to use AA, then I would take 1 Sun Elf level and make the rest warlock. Since I haven't tried this or played yet, I should chew on it a while more. I do like the orb that comes with the Sun Elf starter gear is you go SWF.

Hmm maybe 1 level Sun Elf, 1 bard, and rest warlock. Maybe some fun in that split.

EDIT ~ I dabbled with this idea before I got on the current warlock/hybrid build I'm tinkering with. I will share someday on forums once I get the wrinkles ironed out. I looked at Sun Elf for the passive past life feat and I like Fey Tap and Soul Majic. However, I pulled back because I want to go AA and changes are coming to that tree.

[silinteresting]

Has anyone looked at the viability of a Morninglord Warlock without access to a +1 Lesser Heart yet?

How many Cleric Levels would you take?

And what's the viability of a Cleric Past Life split?

if i was to do a fast and dirty morninglord to get a cleric pastlife and a morninglord one i would
do the following.

8 cleric 8 warlock 4 fvs light powered bursting build.
37pts in the es tree
8 pts in the ts tree
that leaves 35pts to split between the dd tree from cleric and the aov tree from fvs for more light
spell and crit chance etc etc

when you hit epics run in exalted tree for divine wraith etc
twist in energy burst.

play style run into group of mobs energy burst, Eldritch Burst, Spirit Blast and divine wraith
move onto next group.

like i said a fast and dirty but cool build.

tc and have fun.

your friend sil :)

[JOTMON]

Has anyone looked at the viability of a Morninglord Warlock without access to a +1 Lesser Heart yet?

How many Cleric Levels would you take?

And what's the viability of a Cleric Past Life split?

Morninglord is an expensive route for Warlock,

T1 is nice for 2x over heal: Rejuvenation of Dawn: Activate: Heals 10,000 hit point damage, and removes all ability damage, death penalty effects, negative levels, etc...
Higher int to start so +1 skill points/level potential.
Int stat increases, so that could be used to add a skill point and add a bit of spell power.
The light power itself from the morning lord tree is high in the tree so would cost 10 to get there and 6 more to add 30 light power.
Morninglord Archer/melee stuff is worthless for Warlock

The starter cleric level doesn't give much, divine disciple has a bit of light spell power,


You could make it work, but not as strong of a synergy compared to other iconics/races.

[FranOhmsford]

if i was to do a fast and dirty morninglord to get a cleric pastlife and a morninglord one i would
do the following.

8 cleric 8 warlock 4 fvs light powered bursting build.

How would you split that at Lvl 15?


37pts in the es tree
8 pts in the ts tree

Only 8 in Tainted Scholar? Missing out on a Strong Pact or two?


that leaves 35pts to split between the dd tree from cleric and the aov tree from fvs for more light
spell and crit chance etc etc

What about Radiant Burst? {Pretty sure Shining Through beats Radiant Aura as a Tier 5 but the Burst might be nice to fit in for 11 AP in RS.}.


when you hit epics run in exalted tree for divine wraith etc
twist in energy burst.

Coming off of Wizard and Druid lives with no EDs done - Won't be in Exalted for some time - What I'm looking for is a viable ED Farmer and I think this could be pretty strong for that.

Most likely looking at Magister, Draconic and Fatesinger.

Oh yes - This will be a 4th Life toon with 1 Wiz and 2 Druid Past Lives.

[silinteresting]

How would you split that at Lvl 15?



Only 8 in Tainted Scholar? Missing out on a Strong Pact or two?



What about Radiant Burst? {Pretty sure Shining Through beats Radiant Aura as a Tier 5 but the Burst might be nice to fit in for 11 AP in RS.}.



Coming off of Wizard and Druid lives with no EDs done - Won't be in Exalted for some time - What I'm looking for is a viable ED Farmer and I think this could be pretty strong for that.

Most likely looking at Magister, Draconic and Fatesinger.

Oh yes - This will be a 4th Life toon with 1 Wiz and 2 Druid Past Lives.

the split i would use at level 15 would be as follows.

7 cleric, this gets the cleric mostly done and gives you cure critical, deathward and freedom of movement.
6 warlock, this gets you enough to go straight up the es tree 37pts used all goodies including displacement.
2 fvs, this lets you get scourge and more light crit/sp power.

8 in the ts is for the first 2 cores and gaining utterdark blast so your doing light damage with your burst,
there is no need for anything else from tree as your light power comes from other trees.

the one thing i would make sure of taking feat wise with this build is extend longer displacements, deathward
and freedom i feel are a must.

concerning radiant bursts/aura, as the build is using only a few cleric levels you will find the aura to be very poor
and the burst while it is nice i feel is not needed as you have shining through.

would the build be good as a destiny farmer i dont really no thats something you could try and let us no. if its
not then the worst that happens is you level from 15-28 gain a epic destiny or two and gain a morninglord and
cleric past life, not bad for one run so to speak...

your friend sil :)

ps, quick sidenote:

quickly thinking about it if i was to do a similar build to farm epic destinies with then id probally go 11/12 cleric
7/6 warlock 2 fvs. this way instead of cure critical when in epics youd have the heal spell instead, everything
else id probally do the same.

[FranOhmsford]

the split i would use at level 15 would be as follows.

7 cleric, this gets the cleric mostly done and gives you cure critical, deathward and freedom of movement.
6 warlock, this gets you enough to go straight up the es tree 37pts used all goodies including displacement.
2 fvs, this lets you get scourge and more light crit/sp power.

Sounds good.

Not sure about Scourge though - I'm not good with keeping up short term stacks - Heck I don't like Blitz for that exact reason.


8 in the ts is for the first 2 cores and gaining utterdark blast so your doing light damage with your burst,
there is no need for anything else from tree as your light power comes from other trees.

I have a Pure ES Warlock who's now at Lvl 20 and hasn't taken Utterdark Blast - I do an insane amount of damage and the Eldritch Burst/Spirit Blast are already Light anyway.


the one thing i would make sure of taking feat wise with this build is extend longer displacements, deathward
and freedom i feel are a must.

Feats will be tricky - None of Warlock, FvS or Cleric get any bonus feats and Extend is more quality of life than a necessity - Displacement can be kept up without it.


concerning radiant bursts/aura, as the build is using only a few cleric levels you will find the aura to be very poor
and the burst while it is nice i feel is not needed as you have shining through.

Oh there's no way I'd take Aura over Shining Through - They're both Tier 5s so can't have both of em anyway.

The Burst might be a nice bonus though and save on the Heal Scrolls.


would the build be good as a destiny farmer i dont really no thats something you could try and let us no. if its
not then the worst that happens is you level from 15-28 gain a epic destiny or two and gain a morninglord and
cleric past life, not bad for one run so to speak...

Pretty much my thinking.


quickly thinking about it if i was to do a similar build to farm epic destinies with then id probally go 11/12 cleric
7/6 warlock 2 fvs. this way instead of cure critical when in epics youd have the heal spell instead, everything
else id probally do the same.

11/7/2 might be worth looking at for certain.

[slarden]

Morninglord is worth playing to get the past lifes for a warlock. 30 light spellpower is a really nice and the only opportunity cost is that you are passing on the active iconic past life stances. There are some interesting ideas in here on how to get morninglord past lifes.

Even as a morninglord I would pass on the 30 light spellpower in the racial tree for 16 AP. It's just too hefty in my opinion. I think human is better for the 6 20 spellpower clickies that only cost 1 AP, plus you get a bonus feat.

For a final build i think human is currently the top race unless you plan to wear heavy armor long-term (after the arcane spell failure bug is fixed). Drow gives 1 DC, but human gives you an extra feat and I am not spending any AP on the drow racial tree - there is just too much goodness in the warlock trees.

[slarden]

I have a Pure ES Warlock who's now at Lvl 20 and hasn't taken Utterdark Blast - I do an insane amount of damage and the Eldritch Burst/Spirit Blast are already Light anyway.

You might want to try utterdark, for the AP cost it gives you a nice dps boost unless you are passing on the ES and Exalted Angel light spellpower options. Plus there is no need to slot force spellpower then as you can synchronize everything around lght spellpower except healing and pact damage.

to me utterdark is what enables warlocks to be in the top tier along with paladins, barbarians, mechanics, tempests and swashbucklers. Without utterdark I am thinking warlocks are a B+ and drop out of the top tier of builds.

As luck would have it I just explained why I think utterdark is a "must have" here:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/460700-Pure-Casting-Warlock-DC-Eld-Blast-Build?p=5701187&viewfull=1#post5701187

[FranOhmsford]

You might want to try utterdark, for the AP cost it gives you a nice dps boost unless you are passing on the ES and Exalted Angel light spellpower options. Plus there is no need to slot force spellpower then as you can synchronize everything around lght spellpower except healing and pact damage.

to me utterdark is what enables warlocks to be in the top tier along with paladins, barbarians, mechanics, tempests and swashbucklers. Without utterdark I am thinking warlocks are a B+ and drop out of the top tier of builds.

As luck would have it I just explained why I think utterdark is a "must have" here:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/460700-Pure-Casting-Warlock-DC-Eld-Blast-Build?p=5701187&viewfull=1#post5701187

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The Magi isn't needed {I have Archmagi on the Cove Hat} and yes I'm losing out on some Crit Chance but again....I'm soloing Vale E-BBs with ease {Something I've never really been able to do on other characters.}.

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And the character is Lawful Good - I'm not enamoured of the idea of choosing to do Evil Damage. It would be a very bad thing in my view if a Warlock was unviable without Utterdark Blast. From personal experience that is anything but the case!


Strangely though I'm at a bit of a loss of what to do with my remaining AP {I'm ready to take 20} other than taking the last two cores for ES:

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I've already memorized Displacement so no point taking that Enhancement.

[slarden]

The Magi isn't needed {I have Archmagi on the Cove Hat} and yes I'm losing out on some Crit Chance but again....I'm soloing Vale E-BBs with ease {Something I've never really been able to do on other characters.}.

And the character is Lawful Good - I'm not enamoured of the idea of choosing to do Evil Damage. It would be a very bad thing in my view if a Warlock was unviable without Utterdark Blast. From personal experience that is anything but the case!

Strangely though I'm at a bit of a loss of what to do with my remaining AP {I'm ready to take 20} other than taking the last two cores for ES:

I've already memorized Displacement so no point taking that Enhancement.

Warlocks are clearly the best build for heroic levels - not sure it's worth trying to fix that or not since people move on to other builds and the builds have never been balanced well at heroic levels anyhow.

I see where you are coming from with utterdark - that's a personal choice, but I do think utterdark is a good thing for the build, however, I also have some guildies that are more interested in role play theme vs. actual in-game power so I can't criticize you for this.

Some people just play certain builds better than other builds - maybe warlock just fits better with your playstyle, but until you run high level EE 28s you won't get a really good feel for how warlocks work at end game.

[FranOhmsford]

Warlocks are clearly the best build for heroic levels - not sure it's worth trying to fix that or not since people move on to other builds and the builds have never been balanced well at heroic levels anyhow.

No argument here - I remember the horror that accompanied Artificer introduction and the massive nerf that followed DESPITE the fact that Artis were only ever the top build at REALLY LOW Levels and were distinctly underpowered past around Lvl 13!

Warlock is #1 right up to Lvl 20!

And it's not even close!


Some people just play certain builds better than other builds - maybe warlock just fits better with your playstyle, but until you run high level EE 28s you won't get a really good feel for how warlocks work at end game.

I don't know:

1) You should see me try to play an AA!
I've never been able to play an Archer!

2) I'm pretty bad with Casters too - Wiz, Sorc, FvS, Druid = My 4 least favourite Classes to play in DDO!

3) High End EEs require a lot of work and gearing + the ability to Zerg properly {Something I'll never be able to do!}
It doesn't matter what character I'm playing Soloing High End EEs is simply beyond me!

Warlock may just give me a build that is capable in High End EE Groups however!

This makes me even more determined not to see Paladin get nerfed any more than it already has!

Warlock on the other hand does need a reduction in power {So long as the Devs get that reduction right and don't go over the top like they did with Artis!}.

[slarden]

No argument here - I remember the horror that accompanied Artificer introduction and the massive nerf that followed DESPITE the fact that Artis were only ever the top build at REALLY LOW Levels and were distinctly underpowered past around Lvl 13!

Warlock is #1 right up to Lvl 20!

And it's not even close!



I don't know:

1) You should see me try to play an AA!
I've never been able to play an Archer!

2) I'm pretty bad with Casters too - Wiz, Sorc, FvS, Druid = My 4 least favourite Classes to play in DDO!

3) High End EEs require a lot of work and gearing + the ability to Zerg properly {Something I'll never be able to do!}
It doesn't matter what character I'm playing Soloing High End EEs is simply beyond me!

Warlock may just give me a build that is capable in High End EE Groups however!

This makes me even more determined not to see Paladin get nerfed any more than it already has!

Warlock on the other hand does need a reduction in power {So long as the Devs get that reduction right and don't go over the top like they did with Artis!}.

I agree paladin doesn't need a nerf. The time to do that is when Paladin changes were new and the devs acknowledged holy sword was working better than intended due to improved critical. They instead decided to buff all other revamped classes so nerfing paladin now makes no sense.

I am not sure why warlocks need any reduction in power at level 28. They are at the top of the pecking order along with the revamped classes, but not even at the top.

If you ever want to run high-end EE quests at a slower pace look me up on Sarlona. All my characters start with Rand all are in the guild Guardians of House Cannith. You would be most welcome to join us.

[FranOhmsford]

I agree paladin doesn't need a nerf. The time to do that is when Paladin changes were new and the devs acknowledged holy sword was working better than intended due to improved critical. They instead decided to buff all other revamped classes so nerfing paladin now makes no sense.

I am not sure why warlocks need any reduction in power at level 28. They are at the top of the pecking order along with the revamped classes, but not even at the top.

You know what - I agree - There is no reason I can think of to nerf Warlocks at Lvl 28!

My problem with Shining Through for example is that it's a Tier 5 available at Lvl 12! {Move it to Lvl 18 Core or Capstone!}.


If you ever want to run high-end EE quests at a slower pace look me up on Sarlona. All my characters start with Rand all are in the guild Guardians of House Cannith. You would be most welcome to join us.

I don't get to spend anywhere near as much time on Sarlona as I'd like these days but I do have a number of Epic characters there {who are in no way EE capable!}. One day maybe we'll run together but it will probably be in Heroics.

[CernunnosM]

Has anyone looked at the viability of a Morninglord Warlock without access to a +1 Lesser Heart yet?

I have a couple: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/463826-MorningLock-1-Cleric-19-Warlock-Iconic

Haven't adjusted to fit Shining Through in yet, though.

[niknight]

I've got a Morninglord PM that I haven't played in forever because the changes to the game make it mostly unviable, and I've been looking to LR her for a while. The light blasting machine gun idea strikes my fancy, so I mathed up a few different options. The two best DPS splits for this type of build are 20 Warlock and 7 Cleric/12 Warlock/1 FvS. The real difference in DPS comes solely from how often your Aura procs:

<6 Warlock levels = 12 procs per minute
6-11 Warlock levels = 15 procs per minute
12-19 Warlock levels = 20 procs per minute
20 Warlock levels = 30 procs per minute

The bonus light spellpower you get from the cleric/fvs levels allows the 7/12/1 build to output about 80% of the DPS that the pure Warlock build gives, and you gain access to the tasty 4th level cleric stuff.

Other than the level split, I agree 100% with Sil.

[FranOhmsford]

I've got a Morninglord PM that I haven't played in forever because the changes to the game make it mostly unviable, and I've been looking to LR her for a while. The light blasting machine gun idea strikes my fancy, so I mathed up a few different options. The two best DPS splits for this type of build are 20 Warlock and 7 Cleric/12 Warlock/1 FvS. The real difference in DPS comes solely from how often your Aura procs:

<6 Warlock levels = 12 procs per minute
6-11 Warlock levels = 15 procs per minute
12-19 Warlock levels = 20 procs per minute
20 Warlock levels = 30 procs per minute

The bonus light spellpower you get from the cleric/fvs levels allows the 7/12/1 build to output about 80% of the DPS that the pure Warlock build gives, and you gain access to the tasty 4th level cleric stuff.

Other than the level split, I agree 100% with Sil.

Sounds nice for a Warlock life but isn't going to get a Cleric Past Life.

On my Pure Warlock I've been trying to use Aura as much as possible as I've moved into Higher Levels {I don't feel it's worth using at all until Lvl 12 frankly as Chain is awesome at those levels!
But I'm still using Chain at least a 3rd of the time and probably 50% of the time even at Lvl 21!

Yes it is a bit of a pain to use Eldritch Burst/Spirit Blast with Chain {You have to wait for the Chain to stop before you can use the Cleaves} but they do work quite well even without the Aura up to help them.

What do you think about a Chain or Cone specced Morninglord ClockTM as opposed to one that's Aura Specced?

[niknight]

Sounds nice for a Warlock life but isn't going to get a Cleric Past Life.

On my Pure Warlock I've been trying to use Aura as much as possible as I've moved into Higher Levels {I don't feel it's worth using at all until Lvl 12 frankly as Chain is awesome at those levels!
But I'm still using Chain at least a 3rd of the time and probably 50% of the time even at Lvl 21!

Yes it is a bit of a pain to use Eldritch Burst/Spirit Blast with Chain {You have to wait for the Chain to stop before you can use the Cleaves} but they do work quite well even without the Aura up to help them.

What do you think about a Chain or Cone specced Morninglord ClockTM as opposed to one that's Aura Specced?

If that's what you're going for, I can definitely see it working with 15 cleric/5 warlock. Use chain/cone to draw aggro, then as they get close drop a blade barrier, cometfall, fire strike and the cleaves to ring their bells.

[slarden]

If that's what you're going for, I can definitely see it working with 15 cleric/5 warlock. Use chain/cone to draw aggro, then as they get close drop a blade barrier, cometfall, fire strike and the cleaves to ring their bells.

I lke the 14 cleric / 6 warlock split also. I would go with the passive aura and use the spirit blast and eldtritch burst (with spiritual retribution) which has nice light damage for 0sp even with the significantly reduced base damage. Cleric SLAs can also be used so basically rotate through all the SLAs and let aura do it's thing even if it ticks once every 4 seconds. Maxing out light in both trees.

[niknight]

I lke the 14 cleric / 6 warlock split also. I would go with the passive aura and use the spirit blast and eldtritch burst (with spiritual retribution) which has nice light damage for 0sp even with the significantly reduced base damage. Cleric SLAs can also be used so basically rotate through all the SLAs and let aura do it's thing even if it ticks once every 4 seconds. Maxing out light in both trees.

I thought about the 14/6 split, but I think that access to Fire Storm is better than the extra 3 procs you get on the aura per minute, not to mention mass ccw and mass deathward.

[Memnir]

Morninglord Warlocks are OP, and need to be nerfed!
After all, a race so closely bound to a God (Amaunator) shouldn't be allowed to make a pact with another Power!

[FranOhmsford]

Morninglord Warlocks are OP, and need to be nerfed!
After all, a race so closely bound to a God (Amaunator) shouldn't be allowed to make a pact with another Power!

1) Lore breaking and OP are two different things.

2) Morninglords are Lore Breakers anyway!
a) Sun Elves are Iconic WIZARDS! And Fighter/Mages NOT Clerics!
b) Amaunator isn't even an Elven Deity!

3) I've given up thinking of DDO Enhancement Trees as Prestiges and now see them as nothing more than a collection of Enhancements - It's the only way to reconcile the Lore Breaking nature of so many of them!
And IF they were True Prestiges we'd be bound to a single Class Tree + Racial Tree from the moment we chose our first Class Core Enhancement!

[Memnir]

1) Lore breaking and OP are two different things.

2) Morninglords are Lore Breakers anyway!
a) Sun Elves are Iconic WIZARDS! And Fighter/Mages NOT Clerics!
b) Amaunator isn't even an Elven Deity!

3) I've given up thinking of DDO Enhancement Trees as Prestiges and now see them as nothing more than a collection of Enhancements - It's the only way to reconcile the Lore Breaking nature of so many of them!
And IF they were True Prestiges we'd be bound to a single Class Tree + Racial Tree from the moment we chose our first Class Core Enhancement!So then... what you are saying is that even if I'm wrong on something being OP, and even if I disagree on it's Lore status - it is still okay to play, and for it's continued inclusion in the game?

[Theolin]

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