Evasion Broken?

[ThisIsGoingToHurt]

If I recall correctly, any time Evasion kicked in, you'd see Evade over your head.
I haven't seen this in weeks since my latest character gained Evasion. Stood in an acid trap in Swiped Signet for several minutes on two different toons with Evasion, and not once did I see Evade. Just normal save vs. trap saving throw rolls. Nowhere in the combat log does it show any mention of Evasion. And before anyone asks...light armor, light encumbrance.
Anyone else noticing this issue, or am I out to lunch on this one? It's been several months since I last played a toon with Evasion, and maybe DDO changed the way it works since then.

[Hobgoblin]

If I recall correctly, any time Evasion kicked in, you'd see Evade over your head.
I haven't seen this in weeks since my latest character gained Evasion. Stood in an acid trap in Swiped Signet for several minutes on two different toons with Evasion, and not once did I see Evade. Just normal save vs. trap saving throw rolls. Nowhere in the combat log does it show any mention of Evasion. And before anyone asks...light armor, light encumbrance.
Anyone else noticing this issue, or am I out to lunch on this one? It's been several months since I last played a toon with Evasion, and maybe DDO changed the way it works since then.

did you take damage?

[ThisIsGoingToHurt]

did you take damage?

Yes

[Daitengu]

On my L20 Bard (with Evasion) I only see a "Save" message but I don't take damage (unless I actually fail the save of course).

[Kriogen]

Was it only that trap or all traps?

I ask, because evasion doesn't work vs everything. Plus DDO has bugs. Maybe it's just that trap.

[Hobgoblin]

was it the poison trap or was it a physical trap?

i think poison are/were bugged to be only a fort save, no evasion possible

[ThisIsGoingToHurt]

Was it only that trap or all traps?

I ask, because evasion doesn't work vs everything. Plus DDO has bugs. Maybe it's just that trap.

It appears to be all traps. I used that acid trap in Swiped Signet as a test because it is constant. I've been noticing it with all traps in all quests run so far. Also against spells (like fireball).
My latest toon has 5 levels of rogue (and 7 artificer), and in all of the time since gaining evasion, I have yet to see the word "Evade" pop up. But, if I recall correctly, Evade used to pop-up all the time for my other characters with evasion (my monk, another rogue, and a bard). All of whom I played within the last year.

Maybe I'm out to lunch, but doesn't anyone remember constantly seeing Evade pop-up above their toon's head with evasion? And now that is gone...which doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling that evasion is keeping me safe.
Maybe this latest toon just has bad "luck" and fails a lot of saving throws.
Another player that I've been playing DDO with since 2006 keeps saying "Your evasion isn't working on that character". And I keep reassuring him that I do have Evasion, I do have light armor (the Mithral body feat), and I do have light encumbrance. But, not seeing Evade over my head in all of these levels and quests...I started to think that maybe he's right. Something isn't right here. He and I have both played enough characters with evasion to know when it doesn't seem to be working as it should. Hence this post to see if anyone else has noticed a problem as well.

[Impaqt]

It appears to be all traps. I used that acid trap in Swiped Signet as a test because it is constant. I've been noticing it with all traps in all quests run so far. Also against spells (like fireball).
My latest toon has 5 levels of rogue (and 7 artificer), and in all of the time since gaining evasion, I have yet to see the word "Evade" pop up. But, if I recall correctly, Evade used to pop-up all the time for my other characters with evasion (my monk, another rogue, and a bard). All of whom I played within the last year.

Maybe I'm out to lunch, but doesn't anyone remember constantly seeing Evade pop-up above their toon's head with evasion? And now that is gone...which doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling that evasion is keeping me safe.
Maybe this latest toon just has bad "luck" and fails a lot of saving throws.
Another player that I've been playing DDO with since 2006 keeps saying "Your evasion isn't working on that character". And I keep reassuring him that I do have Evasion, I do have light armor (the Mithral body feat), and I do have light encumbrance. But, not seeing Evade over my head in all of these levels and quests...I started to think that maybe he's right. Something isn't right here. He and I have both played enough characters with evasion to know when it doesn't seem to be working as it should. Hence this post to see if anyone else has noticed a problem as well.

How is your character equipped? Encumbrance level?

I think if evasion was broken, we'd be hearing more about it.

[Faltout]

Evasion seems to work fine. You must be missing something.
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/filha300/ddo/ScreenShot00104.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/filha300/media/ddo/ScreenShot00104.jpg.html)

[Steelstar]

Saving from certain kinds of effects used to display the word "Evade" as feedback overhead. This generic save feedback included effects that you avoided because of Evasion, but it also included a lot of other things that weren't subject to Evasion.

We received a bunch of bug reports and forum topics about monsters (like Inanimate Objects) having Evasion when they shouldn't. They didn't, the feedback was just unclear. So we changed the text in U26Patch1:




When monsters save from an effect or spell that either deals half damage or special effects on save, the feedback over the monster's head now reads "Save" instead of "Evade".



Hope that clears things up!

[Xitix555]

It only works in cloth or light armor and shields but it did work years ago for other armor types and shields including heavy armor and a tower shield.

For an artificer this means Adamantine Body which is considered heavy armor would stop evade from working.

[ThisIsGoingToHurt]

How is your character equipped? Encumbrance level?

I think if evasion was broken, we'd be hearing more about it.

The new character is a 5 Rogue, 7 Artificer. He's a warforged with Mithral body feat. Light encumbrance.
It could very well be working. Been playing DDO since 2006. While I haven't played a character with evasion for a few months, I always remembered it saying "Evade" over my head whenever evasion saved me from damage.
I haven't seen that once with the new character now. Maybe the devs just took that Evade display away and changed it to "Save". And maybe this character just has a lot of bad luck when it comes to reflex saves. (Though his reflex save modifier is pretty high)
My buddy that I normally quest with is running a barbarian, and never seems to take any damage from traps. And my character, with evasion, is always getting hurt by them. Obviously I know where most of the traps are by now, and I avoid them, but when a trap box is after a trap, or in the middle of a trap, you don't have the option of avoiding the trap damage and have to rely on evasion to protect you while disarming them.

[Hobgoblin]

Are uvusing ashield?

[xberto]

. So we changed the text in U26Patch1:



Hope that clears things up!

Oh! you must be talking about the same U26Patch1 that will feature the new AA tree? ;) When will we be seeing some preview of that?

[ThisIsGoingToHurt]

Saving from certain kinds of effects used to display the word "Evade" as feedback overhead. This generic save feedback included effects that you avoided because of Evasion, but it also included a lot of other things that weren't subject to Evasion.

We received a bunch of bug reports and forum topics about monsters (like Inanimate Objects) having Evasion when they shouldn't. They didn't, the feedback was just unclear. So we changed the text in U26Patch1:



Hope that clears things up!

Thanks Steelstar. That does clear it up. Evasion must be working then, and I just happen to fail an awful lot of reflex saves...even though I have a +20. (which isn't too bad at level 14) I stood in the trap, and I'd say a good 75% of my saves were in the 2 - 6 range. Bad "luck" roll when I logged in I guess.

[Sunnie]

I rolled up a SDK, 15 levels of rogue. Improved evasion works, I take no damage on a save while standing in that trap. Can try a level 7 with no improved evasion, but I kinda doubt it'll make a difference.

http://i.imgur.com/ANJ3swv.jpg



Rolled up a monk, same result. No damage on a save. So if you're really taking damage on a save even though you have evasion, you've got something going on that prevents evasion from working.

http://i.imgur.com/bqvqI8w.jpg

[hp1055cm]

I am currently 10 warlock / 2 rogue and evasion seems to be working fine for me. I do occasionally see Evade as the save and hardly ever get any trap damage; though I don't make a habit of standing in traps. My reflex save is pretty high though can't remember what it is.
Based on my recollection of past lives with evasion, all seems fine.